Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft - Break in

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  • @Pork-Chopper
    @Pork-Chopper 2 роки тому +10

    I installed a Comp Cams cam kits, break-in oil
    etc. Instructions called for running engine 45 minutes at 2500rpm. I ran it for an hour 60 minutes. I used Amsoil Break-in oil. Did it on two engines, a small block n a big block Chevy. I've had no problems. Both run great! Smooth idle n nice throaty rumble out back. Running stock exhaust manifolds. The small block has a bit more of a lowpy idle. The big block runs smoother, but the exhaust note definitely is big block. Both are mild street/strip cams and run with low stall towing converters. Both pull hard with decent drivability...

  • @alexbrodeur6458
    @alexbrodeur6458 4 роки тому +25

    How has no one caught that when they said the lifters are concave when they are CONVEX. Concave flat tappet lifters are no good! Convex or flat is acceptable if reusing with the cam they were ran with...

    • @scottrobertson6949
      @scottrobertson6949 9 місяців тому

      Yes, I started watching and as soon as I heard CONCAVE I said you've lost me and have Zero credibility. So did no one at Edelbrock proof this presentation? The last set of Edelbrock heads I sold had dirty casting finish in the intake ports that wasn't rectified. They are loosing on trust, quality and their prices are making their product unaffordable. Wake Up Edelbrock!!!😮

    • @deankay4434
      @deankay4434 6 днів тому

      This is why placing a machinist straight edge across the lifter’s bottom to look for daylight in the center, yet also see a convex surface by allowing the machinist rule to rock left to right. This is only done to check lifters when reusing the cam. Cam lobe checks come later. Use best practices for all engine component testing. If you don’t have the tools, pay a shop to measure them. If a normal daily driver, inspect and note all while keeping numbered for the installation in the same spot. If higher RPM’s are required or power adder like turbo, super charger is to be added, now fitment changed and balancing the entire rotating assembly is required as rotational forces multiply quickly at 6,000 - 7,500 RPM. Being 1/2 gram off one the end, can create a load of 360 pounds on the crank, rod, bearings and piston. Turbo’s require higher valve springs because as they can be pushed open when turbo spools up. Lots of things. Best of luck with your project.

  • @rickdemorgan8951
    @rickdemorgan8951 2 роки тому

    Have your block lifter bores Grove with a Comp Cams growing tool by your machine shop. This will put oil directly onto camshaft. Only drops pressure by 2 psi.

  • @Dennon21
    @Dennon21 2 роки тому +3

    Protip have someone watch the pushrods and make sure they are all spinning. If they aren't grab then and spin them to get them going

    • @ab-qh6ip
      @ab-qh6ip 2 роки тому +3

      do you run it without valve covers?

  • @ronaldwarren1267
    @ronaldwarren1267 Рік тому

    Always replace cam bearings and check clearance of followers in there bores in block

  • @johnhutsenpillerjr1785
    @johnhutsenpillerjr1785 4 роки тому +6

    Good VIDEO !!! A roller cam is truly the way to go but sad the zink has been eliminated because of pollution controls and epa crap that done nothing but cause trouble !!!

    • @markuskorpela7896
      @markuskorpela7896 3 роки тому +1

      John Hutsenpiller Jr
      Flat tappet cams need zddp is a myth! What is important is oils Film stenght how much it can take psi 100.000 and More is the way To go
      Read here
      540ratblog.wordpress.com
      Tulokset internetistä
      540 RAT - Tech Facts, NOT Myths

    • @scottwheaton9689
      @scottwheaton9689 Рік тому

      FYI,there are plenty of oils avail today with proper zddp/zinc & phos level for any type Hdy or mech FT cam & lifter setup.

    • @davidkeeton6716
      @davidkeeton6716 6 місяців тому

      ​@scottwheaton969 And plenty of failures too. Almost never heard of a cam or lifter failure in the 70s and 80s. I sold over a hundred cams in 10 years in the auto parts and speed parts business. Never heard of a failure. They would have come to me looking for blood. The products aren't the same as they were then.

  • @howlinhog
    @howlinhog Рік тому +1

    He had to have simply misspoke when he said concave, right?

  • @ronsmith7739
    @ronsmith7739 Рік тому +2

    Buy a roller lifter and be done with it !!!!!!

  • @rollbot
    @rollbot 2 роки тому +1

    Your animation at the begining shows a convex lifter but you sat concave. Which is it?

    • @davidkeeton6716
      @davidkeeton6716 Рік тому

      I came here to say this. A worn out lifter will be concave. The concave surface on the lifter rides on a slightly angled cam surface along with lining up slightly off from directly centered on the lobe. This makes the lifter spin as it is supposed to.

    • @scottrobertson6949
      @scottrobertson6949 9 місяців тому

      Sorry but you need to learn what concave and convex really are and then edit your comment😮

    • @rollbot
      @rollbot 9 місяців тому

      @@scottrobertson6949 I just ate a whole stick of butter

  • @C_71
    @C_71 3 роки тому +1

    If this guy works for Edelbrock then how is his information wrong?

  • @victorvillarreal1110
    @victorvillarreal1110 6 років тому

    I change my stock camshaft to compcam and now the gas pump it is doing nothing on my 68 impala 327sbc now I don't know how to fix the problem looks like fuel pump rod its not doing the work can you help me with this problem. Thks

  • @pmd7771969
    @pmd7771969 Рік тому

    He did not mention spring pressre

  • @REPENTINCHRIST
    @REPENTINCHRIST 5 років тому +2

    If the engine is shut down before atleast 20 minutes the lobes WILL BE WIPED DOWN!!! Had a flywheel touching the bellhousing causing a ruckus on break in once, so I killed it after about 2 minutes, fixed the issue finished break in, and on inspection of the lift with a dial indicator it wiped off 0.070" , so now the lobes were stock lift😞. I have been through the ASE engineering courses through college and ASE break in standard requires 40 minutes at 2000-2500 rpm. DO NOT KILL BEFORE 20 MINUTES short of extreme overheating or a permanent damage occuring. Unless its going to leak dry and burn up before break in DO NOT SHUT DOWN!!!!

    • @mcrowley8460
      @mcrowley8460 2 роки тому

      last year i broke in a lunati cam in a 350 and one of the spark plug wires caught fire i ripped it out and it continued to short on the master cyl for the rest of the break in, show must go on!

    • @jladder4311
      @jladder4311 2 роки тому

      I had a flywheel touching the bellhousing on break in aswell. Multiple stop starts to find the problem and no wiped lobes. Luck of the draw I guess.

    • @Thirdgen83
      @Thirdgen83 2 роки тому +3

      You don't know what the hell you're talking about. And the automotive manufacturers NEVER did cam break-ins before sending new cars out the door.

  • @robertclymer6948
    @robertclymer6948 2 роки тому

    Just wondering, Can one use solid flat tappet lifter with a hydraulic flat tappet camshaft rather then hydraulic flat tappets? Providing all the other componets match ok? Thank you!!

  • @pr8r403
    @pr8r403 7 років тому +2

    Do you have to use a lighter spring pressure for the break in?

    • @EdelbrockTV
      @EdelbrockTV  6 років тому

      Please contact our Tech department. We do not offer tech advice on UA-cam.

    • @jawmedia7575
      @jawmedia7575 6 років тому +2

      I use 1.3 rockers. For non big time race heads

    • @devoncoolman88
      @devoncoolman88 4 роки тому +1

      Answer is yes and no. If it is a stock or just above stock cam then no use the springs that are recommended for that camshaft. Of it is a big lift cam with duel or tripple valve springs then yes you do. Or simplest thing to do is remove the inner springs and break it in that way. Then reinstall the inner springs after break in.

    • @ab-qh6ip
      @ab-qh6ip 2 роки тому +5

      @@EdelbrockTV what is this video if not tech advice?

    • @Texasmule
      @Texasmule 2 роки тому

      Nah just use stock springs, especially if the motor already used flat tappet

  • @heavychevy2289
    @heavychevy2289 5 років тому

    What if you have tripple springs? Do you need to take out the inner spring? To break the engine in?

    • @KingJT80
      @KingJT80 5 років тому +1

      yes you should be doing that.

    • @davidkeeton6716
      @davidkeeton6716 8 місяців тому

      You absolutely need to single up the valve springs during the initial cam break in. ESPECIALLY NOW DAYS. They don't make them like they used to. You are really gambling high stakes dice rolling with any flat tappet cam.

  • @pmd7771969
    @pmd7771969 Рік тому

    That cad gif was wrong

  • @RobertKohut
    @RobertKohut 7 років тому +1

    Nice.

  • @TheJhaley12
    @TheJhaley12 6 років тому

    I bought a new Blueprint Engine, 350/372 hp and the directions say to break the cam in etc. I have a question, the engine was put on a dyno for at least 30 minutes that's how I know the hp so why isn't the cam already broken in? It is a flat tappet by the way. This doesn't make sense to me. Also Hedman headers recommended that I not install NEW headers on the new engine because of the heat from the HTC coating on them (High Temp Coating) it could cause the rings to not seat properly. None of this makes sense to me when I know this engine has been on a dyno and was hooked up to headers. Any idea's on this?

    • @EdelbrockTV
      @EdelbrockTV  6 років тому +5

      If the engine was dynoed already, It must have gotten broken in prior.

    • @dougwalp6609
      @dougwalp6609 5 років тому

      TheJhaley12 cv

    • @TheReinoPaasonen
      @TheReinoPaasonen 5 років тому +4

      Why you are advicing in YouTuBe? You should contact tech department!

  • @chevymalibu8072
    @chevymalibu8072 6 років тому

    Hey guys
    I need help
    I put a new performer cam in my 305.
    I had problems with my exhaust manifold when i started the engine up 3-4 times but i had to turn it off because it was extremely loud.
    Now my mechanic dirve the car before the break in in his shop. His shop is 1mile away.
    Did he ruin my engine?
    The engine is stock, only cam and valve springs are not original.
    Sorry my englisch is bad...
    Thx for help!

    • @EdelbrockTV
      @EdelbrockTV  6 років тому

      Please contact our Tech department. We do not offer tech advice on UA-cam.

  • @wolfeman6380
    @wolfeman6380 4 роки тому

    What if a guy was installing one of your computer friendly cams into a TBI gm SBC truck that has the timing advance wire on the fire wall or under the dash, would you do the break in with that wire unplugged set to 0 degrees or is it a guessing game with it plugged in?? on initial start up..?? Thoughts because I kno if the timings off it could get Hott quick.

    • @matttalon1129
      @matttalon1129 3 роки тому

      Run a carburetor instead of a tbi lol

    • @matthennessy3692
      @matthennessy3692 Рік тому

      What did you set the TBI timing on at on start up and did you pull the wire. I am tackling this project this week end.

    • @sega2229
      @sega2229 7 місяців тому

      @@matthennessy3692how did it go?

    • @matthennessy3692
      @matthennessy3692 7 місяців тому

      @@sega2229 I think my timing was a bit advanced on start up because it got hot quick but I let it run for the break in period. As long as she will run I say fire it up and break it in and then adjust the timing.
      My truck is happy at 0TDC. I tried a little advanced and it had some “timing rattle”.

  • @kevinblackmon6990
    @kevinblackmon6990 Рік тому +1

    Edelbrock bought comp cam
    Lol

  • @selfmade8238
    @selfmade8238 5 років тому

    Once the cam is broken in what kind of oil to use?

    • @cuzz63
      @cuzz63 4 роки тому

      Use the oil you normally use. Some people prefer to use a SAE 30 non-detergent motor oil to break in a newly built engine. After that change the oil/filter to what you prefer.

    • @Terminxman
      @Terminxman 4 роки тому +1

      Something like Lucas or something with extra zinc, if not, you can get a zinc additive and add it to off the shelf oil

  • @pmd7771969
    @pmd7771969 Рік тому

    Lol, so much for professionals

  • @7CAJONEZ
    @7CAJONEZ 15 днів тому

    None of this high rpm break-in makes sense. The opposite, low rpm does make sense. No car factory ever breaks in an engine first start, not ever, for over 120 years. Start the engine, drive it to the parking lot, turn it off.
    How many engines have been stored for 1, 30, 70 years but start and run fine? Abandoned in a field? No lube at all, dry.
    The cam turns 300 rpm at 600 rpm idle. The lobes are actually pushing the lifters ~1/3 of that, duration of ~120°. So about 100 lifts per minute or 1.7 per second. You can blink or tap your finger thrice as fast, for perspective. This is trivial and breakin grease or even oil is plenty. When you raise the rpm 4 times idle you have increased the velocity at which the lobe approaches the lifter and the speed that the lobe wipes accross the lifter thus increasing friction dramatically. Like starting a fire by twisting a stick on a piece of wood slowly vs very fast. And pump oil pressure from lifter bore and crank slinging takes a few seconds. Someone should make a test rig of an engine with cam, only 2 lifters and 2 valves and springs. Put a motor turning 300 rpm on the cam with NO lubricant and measure the temperature rise vs time. If the surfaces are hardened properly there should be no wear. Then raise the rpm to 1200.
    A drill or a lathe tool with no lube experience much higher pressures and dont dull unless the rpm is very high. Best of all, get a sixties GMC V6, the cam is IN a pool of oil at all times. As far as rings seating, use a bit of thin oil and low rpm. Never had problems and engines I built 30 years ago still run fine.

  • @billl.3917
    @billl.3917 6 років тому

    I am installing new edelbrock lifters, but am not installing a new cam, some told me I must also change the cam at the same time, is that true?

    • @warrenzevonsangryghost6055
      @warrenzevonsangryghost6055 5 років тому +2

      You'll be fine.

    • @rogerkoch4658
      @rogerkoch4658 5 років тому

      @@warrenzevonsangryghost6055 WRONG!

    • @warrenzevonsangryghost6055
      @warrenzevonsangryghost6055 5 років тому +7

      @@rogerkoch4658 Nope. In a perfect world, yeah, both ought to be new. But unless the cam is badly worn, new lifters will be fine. Just check to see that they are spinning when the engine is running (dab of paint on pushrod will tell). Old lifters on new cam, very bad (and stupid). New lifters on old cam (as long as the cam is in decent shape) is fine - check for spin. I've got ancient yellowed service TSB's from both Ford and Chevy discussing this very matter, and while they go into a lot a detail, the upshot of the deal is the degree of cam wear being the deciding factor. On properly maintained engines, no sweat. I can't imagine having to have told every customer that came into the shop with a noisy lifter back in the flat tappet days that they were gonna have to buy a new cam and pay to have that installed as well. Unnecessary, and even the engine designers agreed.

    • @rogerkoch4658
      @rogerkoch4658 5 років тому +1

      @@warrenzevonsangryghost6055 If you have TSB's I stand corrected. I would be afraid to do it with my luck though!

  • @vic.smittie.5668
    @vic.smittie.5668 Рік тому +1

    Your camshaft is now either broken in, or broken! 🤦

  • @mcrowley8460
    @mcrowley8460 2 роки тому +1

    Take the rod out of a cheap chalking gun & make a oil pump priming rod for free.

    • @robertclymer6948
      @robertclymer6948 2 роки тому +2

      Or a used distributor.

    • @chrissanders2562
      @chrissanders2562 Рік тому

      I cut the end off of a worn out distributor and welded it to a long bit driver for a drill.

  • @jodaddysdodgegarage3533
    @jodaddysdodgegarage3533 6 місяців тому

    They clearly misspoke and mislabeled the shot. If you look at the video the dotted line under the lifter is convex but the voiceover and on screen text say concave. Producer-idiot mistake and talent is simply reading off a teleprompter.

  • @Schlipperschlopper
    @Schlipperschlopper 2 роки тому

    Sadly soon all combustion cars and trucks including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-(
    In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
    on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Car washs will be forbidden too because they are climate killers, now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime.!!! (BABVVEN & TEBBVEN & BEFVO laws)!!!!!!

    • @Fullthrottle440Garage
      @Fullthrottle440Garage Рік тому

      Screw the liberals. They are trying to do that crap in America too.

    • @timferguson9005
      @timferguson9005 Рік тому

      bullshit climate change idiots do u think the rich pricks pushing this b s are going to change their habits with their gas gussling cars and big vehicles not a chance do as they say not what they do