This series has been beyond epic. Dunno why UA-cam didn’t surface it to me because I’m enthralled. Saw 2 then watched 1 and 3. Great stuff! So honest and interesting. Would love a bit more explanation but I’m cherry picking
I quickly scrolled to 2:01:39 to see your final list. I gotta say I appreciate David even more for picking interesting, non-cliche yet brilliant games on his list. As this period had an explosion on high quality chess, seems to me it could have been broken down further, but then again more work for you guys, so your call.
showi8ng the chess games means I can make sure I am looking at the right one.. I don't care what Jesse has to say on this matter! 10 seconds won't hurt
Man, I always love your insight, guys. Kostya is kind of the one I relate to the most, Jesse is kind of like the OG whose word you kind of just heed because of the experience in the game, and David is the one that really broadens my perspective in a kind of think outside the box, philosophical approach.
Just realizing there were 63 comments and decided to make the 64th comment. I must also say that Chess Dojo is in my Top 3 listened to chess channels and I listen a lot of chess channels. Top tier material.
I appreciate David's insight that surprise that a move that looks "bad" is good, informs whether we will think a game is good. Given this, the stronger you get, the more beautiful chess must get, since you tend to correctly see what's wrong with a move instantly. Imagine when that move is the top engine move. Time to reconsider your chess understanding.
Personaly I liked the first and second part more where you express your perspektive about the game and how and why it ends up in your last list, not only analyzing the game or showing the move but also you explained what value that this game brought to the chess board, or which idea that changed entirely after this game, so it was not only more instructive about chess but also educational about the chess history and chess improvement, despite all of that Thanks for your effort I appreciate your time and hard work to bring this amazing Content.
To club players like me, nothing is more helpful than having 3 Masters agree more or less on a list. It's ultra concentrated and easier than analyzing for consensus among other strong players. One of your videos has the educational nutrition of 10 GM or Gotham guides.
Thanks guys, this has been a really great series. You should continue the format, maybe doing player specific or opening specific lists - eg top 10 Garry games, or top 10 English opening games etc.
Before watching I'll nominate Wei Yi v Bruzon It's an outside shot but I'm hoping someone put an engine game on their list the TCEC is like watching a magic show I mean honestly look up season 23 superfinal game 99 and tell me that's not one of the most beautiful fortresses you've ever seen in your life.
This should have been 1973-1999 and 2000-2023ish, as there has been a boom of chess activity in the last 50 years. And there are lots and lots of games that could be in the greatest category. I'm sure they missed a lot more than we could appreciate. Hopefully, they could revisit soon, or maybe a part 2 of those that have not made it but colossal on their own. Please.
It is incredible that this game is not there Ivanchuk vs Kasparov 1991 Linares round 1 in february 23 since on the one hand it is the greatest defeat for Kasparov and one of the greatest victories for one of the greatest geniuses of all time. Máster Ivanchuk. This amazing.
The "Greatest Move of All Time" things is something that depends on your level. When I first saw this game, it was on Agadmoter's channel and he paused and asked to find the "greatest move of all time or so they say" and many people were like well the only way to have a brilliant move is to sac the bishop and thus its what I call a "guessable move". There isn't enough material on the board to make finding it hard *if you know there is a great move in that position*. Unlike say Marshall's gold coin move, lots of material on the board and Marshall already being up material Queen sac wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind. Fisher's Move of the Century and Nezmdinov vs Pulguyvsky Rook Plunge leaving the queen hanging. I would never be able to guess those moves or see why they work. Now in terms of if you were given that position and asked to find the move, yeah Not many people are even going to consider the Bishop Sac Shirov did, which is one of the reason's it so amazing. The fact its the only winning move and stockfish has to go pretty deep depth to understand it adds to is lore. Thus the human element of finding it over the board is amazing. David's top game is amazing, the fact there are 26 different games out of 30 possible and all of them feel like they "belong" on the top ten shows how many great games have been played in the past 50 years.
Ivanchuk Kasparov Lineras I think 91 where Ivanchuk just smothered the WC should have been a number 1. Better than more than half of these games in my opinion But loved this whole series!!
Get rid of any of the other Carlsen games and replace with Carlsen Fedoseev World Cup 2021, either game as white or as black. These games really define Carlsen’s choking style, except they take it to the extreme. Instead of a slow strangle hold or gradual constriction, for both games it looks like as soon as the game starts Carlsen immediately gets rid of all of Fedoseev’s pieces without even touching them. In modern chess you rarely see anyone making a super GM match so incredibly one sided, and to do it twice in a row in basically the same exact way just blew my mind.
I looked at both those games, definitely considered them! I have a list of my favorite ~35 Carlsen games, but there's more and more. We are definitely lucky that he has played so much, even if Jesse is disappointed he doesn't want to play the WC match this year.
One of Carlsen's H1 2019 games would have been nice, when he was killing people with WC prep and Alpha Zero-infused play. Maybe the mirror game - Giri- Carlsen from GCT Zagreb?
Watching this back now. What about Anand v Caruana where Anand plays Qd4 in the end ? Also why does attack get all the love? What about good defence? I LOVE the game 4 defence in world championship 2016 by Karjakin (the “minister of defence” game)
Fyi, Bai is the family name and Jinshi is the given name, and Ding is the family name and Liren is the given name. So it would probably be more consistent to list it as Bai Jinshi - Ding Liren. A quick way to tell is that Chinese family names are usually one syllable, and if a name is multiple syllables, it's usually the given name, eg. Hou (family name) Yifan (given name). Family names come before the given names in Chinese.
Jesse should read "Play better chess," by Len Barden published 1980. He might see past the headline and learn something. Hooper wrote even earlier on the Endgame.
Funny! Im an unraited amature chess player that consider myself as a huge chessfan and I probobly would not have taken any of this games on my list. My fave is Bobby Fischer game of the centery. That knight move in the begining is insane, and then the queen sac and the beutyfull windwill at the end. And Bobby was 13! Its insane to my and I have hard to see that it whent in so much prep to this game, just over the board genius (maybe). Then I would probobly put some Tal-games and Nedmetinov and morphy-games and that karpov game when he totally freezes his opponents coubterplay and the build up the possion and won. And also a random MVL game that I came buy years ago and its very hard to find. The combination in the end are so striking with and underpromotion to a knight at the end that blow my mind.
This show was about the best games after the year 1972, Fischer's classic and other games were of course mentioned in the previous episode which focused on games between 1920-1972 🙂
While Kasparonv-Topolov is and always will be my favourite game of all time, kudos to David. I didn't know Serper-Nikolaidis, but what an incredible game.
I'm glad to hear someone wants longer shows :) In this particular case, we had scheduled about 70 consecutive hours of shows on twitch, and the next show was going to be a collaboration with another streamer, so if we had gone on for another hour we would have been keeping someone waiting. That said, I still wanted to show the games :P
This series has been beyond epic. Dunno why UA-cam didn’t surface it to me because I’m enthralled. Saw 2 then watched 1 and 3. Great stuff! So honest and interesting. Would love a bit more explanation but I’m cherry picking
I quickly scrolled to 2:01:39 to see your final list. I gotta say I appreciate David even more for picking interesting, non-cliche yet brilliant games on his list.
As this period had an explosion on high quality chess, seems to me it could have been broken down further, but then again more work for you guys, so your call.
showi8ng the chess games means I can make sure I am looking at the right one.. I don't care what Jesse has to say on this matter! 10 seconds won't hurt
Man, I always love your insight, guys. Kostya is kind of the one I relate to the most, Jesse is kind of like the OG whose word you kind of just heed because of the experience in the game, and David is the one that really broadens my perspective in a kind of think outside the box, philosophical approach.
Ivanchuk-Yusupov was indeed a rapid game, because that Candidates Match went to rapid tiebreaks. In my view, that only makes it more impressive.
The more time Ivanchuk has, the more deeply he gets into time trouble 😒
Just realizing there were 63 comments and decided to make the 64th comment. I must also say that Chess Dojo is in my Top 3 listened to chess channels and I listen a lot of chess channels. Top tier material.
Thanks!!
I appreciate David's insight that surprise that a move that looks "bad" is good, informs whether we will think a game is good. Given this, the stronger you get, the more beautiful chess must get, since you tend to correctly see what's wrong with a move instantly. Imagine when that move is the top engine move. Time to reconsider your chess understanding.
Personaly I liked the first and second part more where you express your perspektive about the game and how and why it ends up in your last list, not only analyzing the game or showing the move but also you explained what value that this game brought to the chess board, or which idea that changed entirely after this game, so it was not only more instructive about chess but also educational about the chess history and chess improvement, despite all of that Thanks for your effort I appreciate your time and hard work to bring this amazing Content.
I feel like I've got a real cultural education with these 3 best games videos. A crash course in the best games in history!
Thank you, gentlemen! This is a great episode.
I was hoping Grigory Serper - Ioannis Nikolaidis, 1993 would make the list.
prayers get answered
To club players like me, nothing is more helpful than having 3 Masters agree more or less on a list. It's ultra concentrated and easier than analyzing for consensus among other strong players. One of your videos has the educational nutrition of 10 GM or Gotham guides.
Thanks guys, this has been a really great series. You should continue the format, maybe doing player specific or opening specific lists - eg top 10 Garry games, or top 10 English opening games etc.
Piket - Kasparov - 1989 - 28...Nh1! and Piket resigns - A picturesque aesthetic that reinforced my love of the King's Indian ❤❤❤
You should put the Carlsen Nepo Game 6 game in the list of games to memorize for the 2800+ band.
Love the shrek reference David
Before watching I'll nominate Wei Yi v Bruzon
It's an outside shot but I'm hoping someone put an engine game on their list the TCEC is like watching a magic show I mean honestly look up season 23 superfinal game 99 and tell me that's not one of the most beautiful fortresses you've ever seen in your life.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could post the linkof pgn of all the games. Definitely my son would like to study.
Please do another one..loved these❤
This should have been 1973-1999 and 2000-2023ish, as there has been a boom of chess activity in the last 50 years. And there are lots and lots of games that could be in the greatest category. I'm sure they missed a lot more than we could appreciate. Hopefully, they could revisit soon, or maybe a part 2 of those that have not made it but colossal on their own.
Please.
3 parts isn't enough!? You want us to redo the show? 🙂
It is incredible that this game is not there Ivanchuk vs Kasparov 1991 Linares round 1 in february 23 since on the one hand it is the greatest defeat for Kasparov and one of the greatest victories for one of the greatest geniuses of all time. Máster Ivanchuk. This amazing.
It was on our list of candidates but of course not every game can make the top 10 🙂
thank you for the show , amazing games , note : Karpov - Unzicker Olympiad 1974 strategical masterpiece why not in ????
Imma bet there are gonna be some kasparov vs karpov games in here + imma say that the octupus game wil be in someones top 5
lmao Polugaevsky trading his career for that one game😂
10:05 Jesse dropping some truth bombs
the final tally of the players who were on the winning side of these brilliancies would have been an interesting one
No final ranking this time. Calculate as same standard, 1. Kasparov Topalpov 1999 (20) 2. Karpov Kasparov Nd3 (12) 3. Bagirov Gufeld 1973 / Serper Nikoladis (10). 5. Topalpov Shirov 1998 (9) 6. Kasparov Portisch 1983 / Polugaevsky Torre 1981 / Lautier Shirov 1990
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"We have to hurry up"
- 2.25 hour video
The "Greatest Move of All Time" things is something that depends on your level. When I first saw this game, it was on Agadmoter's channel and he paused and asked to find the "greatest move of all time or so they say" and many people were like well the only way to have a brilliant move is to sac the bishop and thus its what I call a "guessable move". There isn't enough material on the board to make finding it hard *if you know there is a great move in that position*.
Unlike say Marshall's gold coin move, lots of material on the board and Marshall already being up material Queen sac wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind. Fisher's Move of the Century and Nezmdinov vs Pulguyvsky Rook Plunge leaving the queen hanging. I would never be able to guess those moves or see why they work.
Now in terms of if you were given that position and asked to find the move, yeah Not many people are even going to consider the Bishop Sac Shirov did, which is one of the reason's it so amazing. The fact its the only winning move and stockfish has to go pretty deep depth to understand it adds to is lore. Thus the human element of finding it over the board is amazing.
David's top game is amazing, the fact there are 26 different games out of 30 possible and all of them feel like they "belong" on the top ten shows how many great games have been played in the past 50 years.
Ivanchuk Kasparov Lineras I think 91 where Ivanchuk just smothered the WC should have been a number 1. Better than more than half of these games in my opinion
But loved this whole series!!
Get rid of any of the other Carlsen games and replace with Carlsen Fedoseev World Cup 2021, either game as white or as black. These games really define Carlsen’s choking style, except they take it to the extreme. Instead of a slow strangle hold or gradual constriction, for both games it looks like as soon as the game starts Carlsen immediately gets rid of all of Fedoseev’s pieces without even touching them. In modern chess you rarely see anyone making a super GM match so incredibly one sided, and to do it twice in a row in basically the same exact way just blew my mind.
Phenomenal games
I looked at both those games, definitely considered them! I have a list of my favorite ~35 Carlsen games, but there's more and more. We are definitely lucky that he has played so much, even if Jesse is disappointed he doesn't want to play the WC match this year.
Does the dojo have any training videos on UA-cam focused on the subjects of Force Count and Splitting The Board? Kasparov model games?
We will have to have Jesse record a video on that game.
One of Carlsen's H1 2019 games would have been nice, when he was killing people with WC prep and Alpha Zero-infused play. Maybe the mirror game - Giri- Carlsen from GCT Zagreb?
I would love to see the best games by
opening. Top 10 Sicilians, top 10 grunfields, so on and so forth
Put in Ivanchuk - Kasparov, Linares 1991 and take out Topalov Shirov (J), Gashimov - Grischuk (D) and Karpov - Topalov (K)
Following instructions! 😄
Maybe David is really moving to France to commune with the spirt of the greatest chess player ever, the immortal Philidor!
Watching this back now. What about Anand v Caruana where Anand plays Qd4 in the end ?
Also why does attack get all the love?
What about good defence? I LOVE the game 4 defence in world championship 2016 by Karjakin (the “minister of defence” game)
Firouzja- kartikeyan not on the list sadly. you can remove Serper game for it
Great game! Queen sac
Fyi, Bai is the family name and Jinshi is the given name, and Ding is the family name and Liren is the given name. So it would probably be more consistent to list it as Bai Jinshi - Ding Liren. A quick way to tell is that Chinese family names are usually one syllable, and if a name is multiple syllables, it's usually the given name, eg. Hou (family name) Yifan (given name). Family names come before the given names in Chinese.
Thank you for clarifying! I never know how to write their names 🙂 -Kostya
Jesse should read "Play better chess," by Len Barden published 1980. He might see past the headline and learn something. Hooper wrote even earlier on the Endgame.
Okay, I agree with David, because chess is about being as romantic as possible.
Better 10 favorite and instructive games each year!! ;)
good idea :D Enough episodes to be its own separate podcast/series.
@@chesscomdpruess You haven't started yet, but already has at least one sub! It's damned for success $)
My fav K v K was game 22 from 1986 match
It wasn't a great game in itself. Genius psychology tho
Funny! Im an unraited amature chess player that consider myself as a huge chessfan and I probobly would not have taken any of this games on my list. My fave is Bobby Fischer game of the centery. That knight move in the begining is insane, and then the queen sac and the beutyfull windwill at the end. And Bobby was 13! Its insane to my and I have hard to see that it whent in so much prep to this game, just over the board genius (maybe). Then I would probobly put some Tal-games and Nedmetinov and morphy-games and that karpov game when he totally freezes his opponents coubterplay and the build up the possion and won. And also a random MVL game that I came buy years ago and its very hard to find. The combination in the end are so striking with and underpromotion to a knight at the end that blow my mind.
This show was about the best games after the year 1972, Fischer's classic and other games were of course mentioned in the previous episode which focused on games between 1920-1972 🙂
@@ChessDojo Ah right that explains alot! Ok, that Kasparov game is pretty good...
Will this help me beat the Penguin at bullet? 😳
While Kasparonv-Topolov is and always will be my favourite game of all time, kudos to David.
I didn't know Serper-Nikolaidis, but what an incredible game.
Someone needs to teach Jesse how the snake draft works. He still doesn’t get it. Haha
Why hope that Short gets cancelled? 29:37
I didn't know Bill Cosby was one of the greats.
where is Wei Yi immortal?
What was the rush? Why not show the games? Smh. Thanks for doing it though
Idk some of these guys have kids to raise
Wow and they stop showing them half way through. Dumb move
2 hour show boss!
@@ChessDojo you are forgiven. Thanks for the great show
I'm glad to hear someone wants longer shows :) In this particular case, we had scheduled about 70 consecutive hours of shows on twitch, and the next show was going to be a collaboration with another streamer, so if we had gone on for another hour we would have been keeping someone waiting. That said, I still wanted to show the games :P
Smash the like 👍 button
many are talking about my game they considered it as the best
What's with young people canceling everybody that is not themselves? Sick of this crap really. Even in a chess video, I have to hear that nonsense?
Cancelled!