The Greatest Chess Games Ever - Part 2: 1920-1972 | Dojo Talks
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- The Dojo rank the Top 10 best chess games played between 1920-1972.
Check out Part 1 (Greatest Games pre-1920) here:
• The Greatest Chess Gam...
0:00 Intro
4:00 Number 10
10:53 Number 9
18:17 Number 8
23:29 Number 7
32:20 Number 6
40:18 Number 5
54:27 Number 4
1:11:34 Number 3
1:24:34 Number 2
1:44:02 Number 1
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All these games had huge gusto
David's enthusiasm for Kholmov - Bronstein was infectious. Haven't seen it before, but that's an absolute brilliancy. d7!!! Just like Ivanchuk's recent Nd7 but slightly more destructive.
Spassky-Fischer 1972 G13 was the first game that came to my mind when I saw the video title. Bravo to IM Pruess for his appreciation. 1) It is an excellent "marker game" as the 1920-1972 era comes to a close; illustrating both how far opening theory had advanced and how defensive play had become so fierce and original. 2) It is also fitting that this game preceded the silicon, engine era... I was following this game as it was in progress back in 1972... I believe it went to TWO adjournments, so we would painfully study this game for 3 days trying, in vain, to figure "what the hell was going on?" With NO Stockfish status bars, and no definitive GM consensus opinion, save for a befuddled Shelby Lyman trying to deal with conflicting views from his guests. This game is the culmination of 50 years of chess advances.
A rook for 5 pawns! Definitely my favorite game from the match
Great list from everyone but I especially love David's "unconventional" picks - they introduce me to games I didn't know and they truly give the impression of two players at the highest level battling it out on equal terms. That Spassky - Fischer, Game 13 seems just so. incredibly. interesting. I'm already excited for Part 3, those are already some of my favourite chess videos period and they're giving me a totally new excitement for classic games!
Jesse’s love for David is hilarious. Makes these all worth watching.
For Jesse and David: Botvinnik said that game 13 Spassky-Fischer was "Fischer's highest creative achievement". Take that one Kraai!
lol the gusto edit - classic
Just FYI Kostya there were like 20 brilliancy prizes awarded from Zurich 1953. So Geller - Euwe 1953 was just one in a sea of beautiful games from that tournament.
Good to know thanks for the clarification!
I don’t care what Kraai says, Pruess is the highlight of these top something videos. Makes me want to play over these fun games each time.
Videos like this are why you guys are hands down the best chess channel.
Thanks!!
This is incredible. Thank you so much for such high quality content posted for free. The dojo has become the only place to consistently go to.
Insane games but it was the Geller panno that got me real emotional lol.
Besides being fascinating, this was a lot of fun. Thanks guys. And just to work the word in, you've renewed my gusto for looking at older games.
This is awesome!
I find it interesting that Kostya is really invested in the stories! Sounds like a major criterion for his top picks.
Great show. Looking forward to the final episode.
Thanks!
Game 13 was easily the best game of 1972 WC match, unbelievably complex game with Fischer using his superior king to win. The provocative style and accuracy with which Fischer executes is so ahead of its time and if someone showed me the game I would have guessed Magnus as the player with black pieces.
PS. I still don't agree with David to put it at number 1 spot. It is nowhere as good as Tal vs Larsen, for example.
That Kholmov series of moves would have initiated a scan for his assisting device had it been played today. Thanks, David!
Glad you loved it!!
Brillante colección!.gracias y Saludos.
as an avid Alekhine player i had the Fischer-Spassky Alekhine game as a joke pick for number one.... did not expect anybody to actually go with it.
This period of chess was fantastic. Huge fan of the lists you all created. My list only differs from yours in the bottom half, but it would be:
1. Fischer - Spassky 1972 (6)
2. Petrosian - Spassky 1966 (10)
3. Fischer - Petrosian 1971 (7)
4. Polugaevsky - Nezhmetdinov 1958
5. Tal - Hecht 1962
6. Geller - Smyslov 1955 (dude hangs his queen so many times in the Grunfeld it's insane)
7. Botvinnik - Keres 1952 (where he introduces the Carlsbad f3+e4 plan)
8. Polugaevsky - Tal 1969 (where Polu refutes the semi-Tarrasch with d5 exd5 e5!)
9. Kholmov - Bronstein 1965 (I hadn't even seen this game before this youtube video but it's an instant classic)
10. Taimanov - Najdorf 1953
I don't know what Jesse is on about. David's picks are all amazing. There's a certain tension in the chess world as to whether poetry or perfection are the measures of chess excellence, and David's choices reflect the 'poetry' end of the spectrum. Valid, based, and beautiful. Deep cuts well highlighted by the Dojo's poet laureate.
New member of the Dojo training program here, this is my first exposure to the vast majority of these games, so I really appreciate it! Looking forward to actively learning with you all 😀
Great games and discussion.
Capablanca-Tartakower (1924) and Bogoljubov-Alekhine (1922) are on my list
Fischer was so far ahead of everyone. You could study only Fischer games and learn so, so much. Good lists, Dojoers.
Averbach-Kotov was an Old Indian, not a Kings Indian.. Great segment, guys!
Jesse "did it make me" Kraai
Interesting Kraaiteria for inclusion.
Nice that you have Byrne - Fischer 1963 on the list. That game inspired me to take the bishop on g2 instead of the rook on f1 in a game long time ago (Modern Benoni - fianchetto variation).
Me and my opponent were both about 1900 LASK rating (old Swedish) I think and I also remember that a young Pia Cramling came over to check the board just in time to see black crush whites defence. One of my best memories from this tough game called chess. 😙
Edit: The Fischer - Spassky match in 1972 was the reason that I (and many others of course) started to play chess more "seriously".
Hey, are you guys still doing the Chess talks? Or have you relabeled it? And what’s the best way to follow you guys live? I just want to try to stay up-to-date as current as possible. Keep up the great job and I’m loving the chess dojo program.
Yes! We usually do them Fridays on our twitch channel. twitch.tv/chessdojolive
We so have a playlist for them on YT and they can be found on Spotify/other podcast apps as well!
@@ChessDojo Awesome! I'll try to catch you guys today. Analyzing my games has made me find a serious weakness and address it that's been holding me back for years. Thanks guys!
Reti vs Alekhine 1925 is an insane display of deep calculation by Alekhine.
Educational, enjoyable, video. Given the decades spanned in the pre-engine era period would have been even more interesting if it was a top 20 instead of just top 10.
These games make me proud to say I'm a chess player 😢
Some people say that the famous Ba3 was almost obvious and the game is overrated.
Bogoljubov hardly deserved matches against Aljechin, but at least we owe him David's fantastic #10 :)
Thank you so much to David for the Nezhmetdinov game!
Its not the move, its the build-up. He had to have seen it as a resource before getting into the whole attack.
Love jesses list
“Fischer played everything and you knew what you would get against anyone else”
This is probably where he got the idea for Fischerrandom chess from.
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No Botvinnick Tal Game 6?!?!? THE STORM OF THE CENTURY?!?!
I enjoyed your e4 attack bud now let's see how the black side goes 😊
Is there any other game with early queen sac by nezh, ding and so
Okay boss, here is my list (doesn't feature games of Fischer or any other world champion). Made such a list to highlight there are so many amazing games from this period, not just that of world champions. Ordered chronologically,
1. Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch Copenhagen 1923 (0-1)
Immortal zugswang game, aesthetic final position
2. Reti vs Rubinstein Karlsbad 1923 (1-0)
Both playing in really hypermodern style, reti playing a benko gambit style position with semi open a,b-files. Lots of original concepts for the time, an amazing fighting game
3. Reti vs Bogoljubov NY 1924 (1-0)
Reti playing the reti opening, finishes off with a sparkling tactic, unusual interference motif
4. Euwe vs Keres Rotterdam 1940 (0-1)
Keres siezes the initiative and attacks through the central files in a complicated queen's Indian, features a Q sacrifice
7. Pachman vs Bronstein Prague 1946 (0-1)
Bronstein playing king's Indian against the Maroczy type structure, uses h pawn advance to attack the white king
6. Bronstein vs Keres interzonal 1955 (1-0)
Excellent attacking game from white side of nimzo, he sacrifices a pawn then a bishop, Keres puts up a brilliant defence but Bronstein still wins!
7. Korchnoi vs Tal USSR championship 1962 (1-0)
Korchnoi wins a model game on the white side of a benoni, refutes Tal's aggression and the game ends with a pretty king walk to g5 and white pawns on e7 and d7
8. Geller vs Smyslov Moscow candidates 1965 (1-0)
Model attacking game on the W side of grunfeld, has multiple Q sacrifices
9. Larsen vs Petrosian Second Piatigorsky Cup 1966 (1-0)
Features an iconic queen sacrifice on g6 and featured in Hollywood film Sherlock Holmes: A game of shadows
10. Velimirovic vs Ljubojevic Yugoslav championship 1972 (1-0)
Eye catching game with a remarkable Rd2 move in the midst of a storming attack
I would love it if Jesse could roast my list! :)
Very nicely done! Love the "no world champions" rule!
Pretty good list
Please let David start one of these ranking episodes for once!
usually I can't remember games fischer e4 allowing d4 then f4 is one of the best positional moves also more famous is Lasker f5
Memorize these games!! Impress your friends at parties too...
Erm, Hans Berliner was born in Berlin in 1929. I am old enough to remember his name. I still have a book by Estrin on - the two knight's defence.
Hasn't Fischer played another famous game against the "other" Byrne?
The Kholmov game - which I didn't know - reminds me of a similar phenomenon in mathematics or music.
Everybody knows Pachelbels famous canon and undeservedly nothing else by him
Lindemann will be remembered in 500 years as the mathematician who proved that pi is transcendental. I am not aware of anything else.
Gesualdo is even worse. He was a great composer, but most people only know that he killed his wife and her lover 💔
What's the Eric Schiller's book David mentions at 28:08 ?
I keep posting this and it never shows up. The Chessplayer's Laboratory: Polugaevsky-Nezhmetdinov Sochi 1958
@@chesscomdpruess Thank you so much!!
We already collaborate with amazon we will publish the best chess games but don't worry it's just the Philippine version of the best games ever, Kasparov vs topalov will move to no.2 Byrne fisher at 3 laughs
Hello to the chess Chicos and the Chicas.
I hate that Nezhmetdinov-Chernikov game. If White can play like that, how am I ever supposed to understand anything about chess?
Smash the 👍 button
Geller was using Stockfish.
In Botvinnik v. Capablanca after Kg8 why not Qf7+
Just Kh8 and Qf8+ is covered :)
35:45 Geller and Keres are probably a bad example. The both mainly played 1. e4 but 2 out 5 of their games are either Queen Pawn openings or Reti/English.
The argument that Fischer was the first to play everything on a high level is also factually wrong (sorry for the strong words). Alekhine and Capablanca almost 50 years before this match where playing half their games with 1. e4 and the other half with 1. d4.
Fischer played like 30-40 games that where not 1. e4 with white. The sample size simply is not big enough to have a strong opinion on the matter. He was certainly not the first to do it and he did not create anything new.
Of course Fischer is very important to every American player so I get it. But you don't have to add to his achievements. The guy is considered by most one of the top three greatest players of all time and many even consider him THE greatest even if you exclude Americans. He doesn't need your help to go any higher.
Thanks for sharing!! My memory (admittedly full of holes) is that for example Alekhine-Capa played 20 queen's gambits in a row in their world championship match. Then you get Fischer going Benoni. Nimzo. Alekhine. To me it seemed like a lot of variety and very challenging to keep up with and even study the games (much less be in Spassky's shoes) when the games are not "variations" on each other, but each one is its own piece. I'll have to check back on Alekhine and Capa's records and see what I think. I did see Alekhine play a lot of weird openings (such as e4 e6 d4 d5 nc3 nf6 bg5 h6?!?) when studying his games recently, but I thought it was youthful experimentation that subsided a bit as he developed into a stronger player facing stronger competition.
🤖 GUSTO
No crying chess!😭
David’s top game is actually gam 13 not 8. Botvinnik considered this the best game of the match.
Whats next 1973-2000 ?
1973-today will air tomorrow (Friday) at 9 am pacific / noon eastern on twitch.
You guys are a real hoot especially Kraai.However,I don't agree with your choices at all - not enough
Rubenstein, Alekhine,or Botvinnik.With all the brilliant imaginative games that Alekhine
played,you way underrepresented him
To me, the fact that the bad Bobby stuff is related to the good bony stuff is actually a good reason to decide to ignore everything all together
No good chess games from 1920 to 1938?
Lots of great games! Unfortunately we were limited to the top 10 until 1972
@@ChessDojo but boss it's interesting to note that no one's top 10 had a game from that period, despite picks of Alekhine as an all time player in the top 10 when that video was made.
@@rentsy3444 Yep, I think we addressed this point somewhere towards the end 😊
But to say there was "no good chess games" seems like a bit much. According to the comments here, apparently we'd have to fit about 20 games into the top 10 to satisfy everyone 😄
I love the list but I hate the time period. This is such a diservice to the guys playing in the 1920-1950 range! Of course in a fifty year range all the games from the 1960's and 70's are going to dominate the list. You should have two lists: 1920-1949 and 1950-1972. What people even understood about the game was radically different from the beginning of that range until the end of your period. Botvinick, Smyslov, Bronstien, Keres and more, all radically improved everyones understanding of the game that the guys from the 1920s and 30's had no access to.
Well we wanted to do 3 parts total, part 1 pre-1920, part 2 1920-1972, part 3 post-1972. How would you have split it?
I'm planning to mock Kasparov cause my game is better than his but it embarrassing that it's just copied from their games it's not mine and not original,yeah I'm proud I played it but like I said it's copied😅
I am sorry sensei's, but Polugaevsky-Nezhmetdinov is better than any Fisher game.
Opinions!
@@ChessDojo I know ;)
Fischer is my favorite chess player of all time, but this is a bit much.
The 1956 game probably wouldn't even be famous if it had been played by anyone else, like Botvinnik, Geller or Tal.
His other games are fine, but shouldn't be on a top 10 list of that time period.
The one legitimate contender in my mind is that 6th game versus Spassky, if only for the reason that top flight chess has never before (and maybe afterwards, too) looked so simple.
I can live with the Taimanov game as well, though again, if it hadn't been played by Fischer I don't think there would be nearly as much fuss about it.
And you seriously didn't find space for an Alekhine game? Not even Reti-Alekhine 1925??
Only two Tal games? Tal-Smyslov 1959, anyone?
No Larsen-Spassky? Spassky-Geller 1968? Botwinnik-Tal? Capablanca-Tartakower 1924?
What about Keres? Rubinstein played a couple of masterpieces post 1920, too.
This really is three Americans downplaying the non-Fischer part of chess history.
Even as a Fischer fan, I don't get it.
Wrong
@@blueguitarist Right! A 13-year-old playing that against a future Candidate would be famous no matter who they were. Not to mention that Fisher in 1972 was 200 ELO better than everyone fundhund62 mentioned. You would expect that he would have the most games if you weren't biased by fan love of positional players who weren't ever strong enough to win a World title. However, the time frame the Dojo chose lends itself to criticism. Chess in 1920 was not modern. That happened under Alekhine's regime. They needed to go 1927-1948 (1920-1950), and that would legitimately address hund62's concerns. And Keres still wouldn't be on the list.
@Yz Fool karpov never reached fischers 1972 rating until 1992, and I don't think he ever exceeded it. Just unreal
@@yzfool6639 There are games by 12 year old Capablanca and Kasparov that are at least as impressive, yet little known. Also, Botvinniks win in a simul against Capablanca WHEN HE HAD BEEN PLAYING CHESS FOR JUST 2 YEARS, is an insane accomplishment!
And what does Fischer's rating have to do with anything?? This is about games.
If Capablanca-Tartakower had been played by Fischer, it would be high on everybody's list as the greatest endgame ever. Same goes for countless other games.
If Fischer had played Botvinniks games against Capablanca and Portisch, they'd be much more famous (and David would definitely know them 😉).
Fischer worship is a real thing, and I simply don't get it.
As I already stated, I say that as a fellow fan.
Jesse's fault!