The idea that Messi couldn't do it in the Premier league is total and utter nonsense. He has scored 26 goals against PL opposition in the champions league including humiliating the very best the premiership has to offer. We are supposed to believe that he couldn't do it against Stoke because it's raining 😆 😂
@@Gamer-do7qv that's a ridiculous comment. The best players play in the best teams. What evidence do you have that he couldn't score a ton of goals for Everton?
I don't take England fans serious because they are the only fans that sing "It's coming Home months before any tournament and end up getting humiliated.
Messi has always been a superior footballer to Ronaldo. Both are incredible goalscorers, yet Messi's passing, vision and ability as a dribbler are on another level. The fact he's still showing that on the biggest stage of all at 35 just underlines further why he's the greatest. CR at his peak was of course far more than just a goalscorer, yet he's been dependent on the service of teammates over the last five years. Not to mention, he's never had a standout world cup; and has failed to even score or assist a single world cup knockout goal. The argument also that Messi needs to do it in the PL is utterly ridiculous. This is someone who has shown it against all the best club teams in the CL and at international level. Also, many of the greatest ever players never played in England. That goes for Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, R9, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi, Rivaldo and countless others. Anyone who has any understanding of the game knows Messi has nothing to prove.
@Batman with prep did you even watch the World Cup kid? Most of his goals were legit penalty or not doesn’t deny the fact that Messi is getting better as he gets older and won the World Cup Ronaldo couldn’t even score against South Korea or Morocco!! Go back to playing your video games mate
Ronaldo hasn’t been relying on service for 5 years at all. Did you even watch him at juve? Legit just two years ago when he was at juve he was performing on a similar level to what Messi is now. Ronaldo was more of a left forward for juve and was still skinning people and bagging crazy goals. He scored that goal coming over his head on the volley. Insane technique. Ronaldo has fell off this season but I think it’s more personal issues made his ability diminish more and then his mentality broken because of his ability finally falling off.
@Batman with prep So what are you trying to say, I know that you Penaldo fans are so desperate that you even want him to be given a goal he doesn't deserve.
Ronaldo will always be my favorite player but Messi is on another level,he's in a league of his own, definitely the Goat and deserved this world cup win
Playing in England isn't the absolute final judgement of a player, wtf man, English football fans are a joke. If you take all Messi and CR7's trophies, stats and accolades away, just looking at them as footballers, how can someone say CR7 is a better Footballer?
exactly. ronaldo is an amazing goalscorer. but if u take that away from him he's totally useless as he doesn't deffend either. but messi can still help u with his dribbling and his amzing passing and playmaking. everyone know messi is better but they hate to admit it coz they hate messi
Messi was always a better player anyway….but the English premier league is known as the toughest league in club football generally. Managers who have managed in several of them all say the same thing.
Mbappe has never played in the premier league but he's 100% better than any forward currently playing in the EPL. EPL fans act like it's some sort of validation for greatness, how many of the all time greats have actually played in the premier league?
9 of the top 10 greatest players of all time haven't played in england. That includes messi, pele, maradona, ronaldo nazario, zidane, platini, cryuff, backenbauer, maldini. The only one who makes this list is ronaldo but ronaldo's legacy was made at real madrid and not at utd.
Idk why people are even bothered. The debate is over. It’s been over for years. But its definitely over now. Ronaldo fans have nothing to use as ammunition. Messi has won it all.
Being a witness in this world cup just proves how hated Ronaldo is and how they let messi slide with a hand ball but couldn't let ronaldo slide for a simple "ssssh" gesture towards the japanese player. Ronaldo is still the goat. The world cup was fixed. They didn't even let him play. Can't win a debate without actually having both fight🤷♂️
@@Dev-rc7sd exactly, it was fixed. It was easy to see. You even explained it perfectly. Read what you wrote again and ask why... for money. It was seen by many. Especially an obvious handball that was ignored. Was easy to see.
@@Dev-rc7sd because ronaldo did a "shhh" gesture to a Japanese player and put his finger to his mouth and the coach thought it was his reaction for getting benched but wasn't, he was talking to the japanese player. That's literally the reason but you start making up all these stories.See that's how I know you were not keeping up with the world cup and just talking out you're rear end. Don't even know the facts.
@@JG-us9luand you’re crying under every comment. Just remember, that for the rest of your life Messi will remain a world champion and there’s absolutely nothing YOU can do about it except cry and complain online in worthless UA-cam comments.
This “Ronaldo did it in the Prem” argument is just a way of establishing conditions that favour Ronaldo cos they don’t want to talk about their actual FOOTBALLING ABILITY on the pitch. La Liga was the best itw for large portions of Messis career anyway, and when Ronaldo came to his league he won just TWO league titles in 9 years.
For the majority of Messi and ronaldos career La Liga was a far better league than the premier league. It’s only last handful where the prem has overtaken
And Messi has 17 goals in 16 games against English clubs in the CL. He's destroyed the best English clubs in the past. But he's never done it against Stoke on a wet Tuesday night so he's not great.
Talk about 'establishing conditions that favour your argument'. For the most part of their time in La Liga together, Barca had one arguably the best club team ever assembled. So is it any surprise they won more titles?
I think they way Messi and this Argentina team have combined has absolutely clarified that he could have played in any league & any team and been amazing in it
@@awilliekevinpaul3168 put Messi in any hard working team, who know their roles, they will win, because he will produce the magic... Ronaldo produces results as well, ain't no doot aboot that but Messi does it better, with more flair & style... is he the best ever? I think, Zidane deserves a mention as well
The "he never left Spain" argument is such a dead one. Are people really suggesting Messi won't smash any league in the world? LOL. Go away. Let's be real anyway, the argument that Spain is a two or three team league doesn't greatly hold up given Sevilla & Villarreal's Europa successes. Messi has done it against every one of the PL sides that he's played against in the UCL, 27 goals in 35 games & these are only the elite sides from the PL. Give it a rest with that dead argument.
Ronaldo fans are clinging on to 'messi has never played in the premier league'. Messi is a better goalscorer than than aguero, better dribbler than hazard and a better playmaker than David Silva. All 3 are PL legends, and they think Messi would struggle in the premier league
"Must be a World Cup Winner to be in the GOAT conversation". According to the media haters who thought Messi was going home after the Saudi Arabia defeat. Ronaldo needs to find a club that will have him and try again 4 years from now, age 41.
The only reason there was ever some debate is because of champions leagues, goal tallies and ballon d’or wins being similar (which all makes CR7 truly amazing too)….you can’t have actually watched their careers properly, watched them play properly, and believe Ronaldo could actually do what Messi could as a player overall
@@footballlover8055 What does Ronaldo do better than Messi? I'm sure all you can mention are attributes that have to do with goal-scoring and Messi still has a better goal-to-game ratio and is not far off in total goals. Now let's talk about playmaking, passing, dribbling, leadership, etc.
@@prospero3607 leadership, heading ability and not disappearing from big matches which has been Messi's mo other than this wc. Messi is a better dribbler and passer for sure.
People keep saying Messi can't do in the premier league but actually he's got more goals against the top 6 than Wayne rooney, Alan shearer, Harry Kane, and all of the premier league legends except Sergio Aguero so that's the only player who's got more goals than him against the top 6 and he's not even played the hardest league in the world
He is an England + Ronaldo fan, so what do you expect............most of the guys who fall into this category have lost their mind after this world cup
@@imXyron Arsenal,Chelsea,Spurs, liverpool,Man Utd ,Man City are the top 6 and have been for the last 20 years.. swap City for Leeds in mid 2000s. Only 4 will reach CL every year and Messi won't play all 4 teams Epl teams in a season,but he still has more goals against these teams than Ronaldo.
Years ago possibly but I think he'd be the one passing to the big viking fella if he went there now. I'd like to see him at City if he leaves PSG. A couple of years too early to be thinking about the rumoured MLS move.
@@monkey39128 There was a moment he could have come to Man City when leaving Barca. If Pep was somehow able to bring Messi into Man City next summer (which is very unlikely and just a fans dream), imagine the damage Messi would cause to every team Man City play against? It would be the best sign off for Messi because at 36 he could easily be used in rotation knowing he is part of a league winning side. Messi doesn't even need to come to the Premier League, but this would be the best way to shut up all the haters who think the premier league is the only form of football.
I couldn't say if he's the best sportsman ever but if you look through the lens of do they inspire others and play their sport in the best spirit of sportsmanship. Every match I have ever seen him play in, he has played with a positive attitude and usually with a smile on his face, he gets kicked up and down the pitch but never throws a strop, he tracks back to help his team and always looks for the best option pass or shoot. Messi is definitely the greatest footballer I've ever seen and it is just his phenomenal talent. Greatest sports person who knows but every time Messi has left opposition players chasing shadows a smile comes to my face even when he did it against Liverpool.
Federer greatest sportsman of all time. He changed tennis and ushered a generation of amazing tennis never seem before. But off court what a person. Most humble, always respectful and absolutely revered by past and present players. In England Federer was the only one whom English fans absolutely embraced same as Murray. Centre court absolutely adored him. And he had the emotion too. Not a robot .
@@ShawniBawni Maybe as a person yeah, but Federer’s peak is not better than Novak’s. He only has 1 clay court grand slam (where Nadal has 10+) and someone else had to beat Nadal for Federer to get to the final. Djokovic is far more versatile across all surfaces and Federer only edges him on grass. Not to mention Djok is far more dominant across all 4 slams and will not only end with the most, but might even overtake Fed on the one slam he’s dominant on, Wimbledon. Djok’s peak was more dominant, superior head to head against both Fed and Rafa, but Federer’s play style looks more elegant. That’s about it.
Both brilliant players and been a joy to watch them both play in my life time, and up until two years ago you could argue a case for both but there isn't a debate now Messi is better in my opinion , Messi in his old age adapted to the game where Ronaldo hasn't , players still look for Messi when he's on the pitch as they no he has a moment of magic in him where as United and Portugal both play better without him on the pitch now
The 'more goals' argument for Ronaldo needs context. To date: Messi App: 1003, goals 793 (mins per goal =104), Ronaldo App: 1145, goals 819 (mins per goal 113). Assist stats are not even worth comparing.
It's true that Messi can do some stuff that Ronaldo doesn't do as well. And it's also true that Ronaldo can do certain things that Messi doesn't do as well. Like how to score goals with one's hair. Or assist a goal with his back. Or how to be a captain while sitting on the bench, from the beginning of the match. They're both great players, but one is constantly compared to Madonna and Pele and that one happens to have 1 more World Cup than the other.
When you realise Messi has humiliated big premier league clubs by scoring 26 goals against them in the UCL😂😂. This whole "Ronaldo has done it in the Prem" thing is utter BS, Messi has proved himself multiple times against Prem clubs despite not playing in the Premier League.
It's disingenuous to say Ronaldo greatness is affected by how he carries himself and by doing that interview. I would like to know if maradona or tigre woods greatness were affected by how they carried themselves. We forget that these exceptional athletes are flawed just like the rest of us.
Meanwhile, back in reality: Messi destroyed all the big 6 teams everytime he had a chance, having 27 goals against them without having played a single minute in the premier league, you can only imagine the amount of goals he would've reached if he played his whole career in the Prem, Ronaldo fans are more and more delusional every day
MARADONA ,Pele ,Ronaldinho ,Ronaldo 9 ,Cruyff ,Hagi ,Stoichkov,Rivaldo Baresi ,Maldini,Puskas ,Distefano ,Rivelino ,never played in England but because CR did ,Messi was supposed to ? Ridiculous argument ,CR left Man U cos he was booed in every ground in England after the Rooney incident,left Madrid cos the fans turned on him .Messi didn’t need to leave Barca ,they pushed him out for greedy financial reasons eventually .
Why English fans think that EPL is the only league in the world where player has to play to prove himself 😂😂 Ronaldo haven't won world cup and Messi has end of debate
@Commie Slayer I always put Messi over ronaldo even though there were some things Christian was slightly better than Messi. I really liked the ronaldo interview he had with the one English dude. As much as I like futbol this game doesn’t alter or change my personal life, I could’ve cared less if Messi won a cup or mbappe did. Those guys are living their dream life and im still working on mine. Im not a fan girl of anything, just an observer.
Ronaldo's a goal freak, Messi's a magician. He could have no goals and he'd still be better than Ronaldo. Who's better - Iniesta or Lampard? I love Frank, and his goal record pisses all over Iniesta's, but no one in their right mind would say he was a better footballer than Iniesta The same applies here, except the irony is Messi's statistically STILL better than Ronaldo too, he's a one off.
Ronaldo is the greatest pure scorer we have ever seen. He can score from anywhere and everywhere. Both Right and Left foot. Headers with his leaping ability and set pieces. Messi is the better all around player.
When you start your career stealing glory from another man name (R9) - you deserve this humiliation. He never put respect on the 'real' Ronaldos name, said he was greater than Pele a few years back, and therefore deserved this great humiliation. Messi is was and will always be Messi , the GOAT. R9 Ronaldo = El Fenomeno.
So the first guy said ronaldo was wrong for doing the interviews and walking out when he was clearly upset over the loss but didn’t mention that Messi actually retired in 2016 and turned his back on his own country after a final loss? So retiring after a loss is acceptable but walking down the tunnel is not?
Messi has always killed it the champions league and that is a higher quality competition than the world Cup, so he's already proved himself now everywhere, and including the CL (which, in terms of quality, is as good as it gets).
Winning 3 champion league back to back & also being the top scorer in each of those cl campaign even messi who played in of the greatest team ever couldn't win the cl back to back & also it was ronaldo who started the rivalry by coming to Spain & going toe to toe with messi. Also Argentina have a history of winning world cups than Portugal. Portugal without Ronaldo barley qualified for WC but with Ronaldo they won two trophies. Everyone is passing by Ronaldo as if all is achievement & records don't mean anything. He kicked started of his career at united won everything at united became one of the greatest at united & than went to Madrid Broke they all time goal scoring record in just under 6years that's madness! I don't care what anyone says a champion league is alot harder to win than the world cup if champion league was easy to win psg & man City would had won it countless times the amount of money their spent to win it & they haven't yet. If you think a 7 games tournament end the goat debate thats crazy!! Also Ronaldo is a legend a 3 different clubs!! I just don't understand why we can't just appreciate both of them they gave us the best times to our lives. For me Ronaldo & messi are both #1
@@fehzaanmahmood723 Not discrediting Ronaldo. I was just saying that Messi has already done it at the top level consistently, so all that rubbish written before about him not being the GOAT because he's never done anything at international level, can now shut up! My point was that international level is lower than champions league level anyway, so the international debate was stupid to begin with. In terms of Ronaldo vs Messi, I will quote this: With Ronaldo, people stop and stare and say WOW With Messi, people stop and stare and say HOW Both have been awesome, but one of them shines that little bit brighter.
@Natwarittha Paliyanan The biggest competition doesn't mean it's the best. International teams are restricted by what players they can select. Club teams have huge amounts of money to form 'super teams'. A last four of Champions League would, at the very least, equal (and probably better) an international last four (semi-final). Euro 2004. Who won it? Greece lol 😆 Sure, they played absolutely brilliantly and deserved to win it, but come on. Look at the teams that you play in the World Cup. Saudi Arabia. USA. Sweden. Iran. Basically, the top ten international sides are the teams with real quality all over the park. But you can say that the top ten champions league teams are at least of equal quality, and, IMO, better. Real Madrid versus Brazil. Who'd win that? I'd make Madrid favourites. Everyday. Outside of Europe, where do all the great players come from? South America? Yeah, they all play in Europe. In teams that compete for (you guessed it, the Champions League). All the best players in the world play in Europe. Because that's where the money quality and credibility is. You get the odd talented Brazilian player who still plays in the Brazilian league (but not many of them), and after that World Cup, they get signed by Real Madrid. To play in the Champions League.
Messi has scored 27 goals in 36 games against the TOP 6 from the Premier League 😂 Ronaldo has scored 36 in 89!!! So ronaldo has only scored 9 more goals against the best 6 teams in the Premier League in 53 more games 😂 27 goals in 36! He would of destroyed the PL far more than Ronaldo
Messi scores alot against premier league because it's in a knockout context where teams are playing open, actually trying to win. Different story playing away to Burnley as they put 10 men behind the ball
@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313 pathetic argument. So Pele is terrible cause he only scored in Brazil? Ronaldo scores a hat trick against Norwich, big deal. The point is he has shown he can’t do it against the big teams. 89 games to score 36 is Kane numbers, not Messi numbers. If the premier league was sooooo good, England (who other than Owen Hargreaves and Beckham) has had only Premier League players in their squads for the last 20-30 years…should be a cake walk for them to win a tournament?
Get lost. Tevez, Aguero, di Maria, Levezzi , Higuain didn't need Messi to carry them. You could say Argentina has had the best set of attackers in the last decade and a half.
When people mention Ronaldo scoring more goals... They do realise he's 2 years old right? That means he's had alot more time to score said goals..... He's always taken penalties, Messi hasn't. I remember Messi taking a penalty and instead of shooting he passed it to his side for Suarez to score. It's all about the team for Messi, it's all about Ronaldo to Ronaldo
@Batman with prep you are joking right? Where do you think messi played? When he had players like Ibrahimovic, Etoo, Villa, Henry? 🤣🤣🤣 ronaldo has played a striker role a lot more than Messi. How old are you?
@Batman with prep actually by your other comments, can definitely tell youre young. Call me a 'pessi tard' yet Ronaldo has scored loads more penalties 🤣 have a good night, love from pessi tard x
@@Gagefelstead Ronaldo being two years older doesn’t really matter because he played his first 4 seasons of his career as a wide midfielder, Ronaldo is a better goal scorer, straight up fact, whether or not he’s a better player is a different debate but the case is closed as far as goals are concerned
Go watch on UA-cam. 'Cristiano Ronaldo the Man who can do Everything' if you are sincere with yourself there is no one else like him. He is Superman. You can love him or hate him, but his the complete striking force. He is the GOAT.
I don't think CR7 is a better finisher at all, i guarantee Messi's goal to shot ratio is much better. CR7 was fantastic though and on top of that imagine if Messi was better with his head and right foot but stilll he is so close to CR7 in goals!!
Messi is a better finisher, passer. In most categories messi comes out on top. Messi has better goals to game ratio, hes even a better free kick taker. Only areas where Ronaldo is better is hes better with heading. As we see in the final it didn't matter that messi cannot head
Messi is the best finisher ever too. It is very very rare you won’t see him not hit the target at least, absolute clinician. Whereas Ronaldo just goes for power and you see where his free kicks end up. At the wall or 30m over the bar.
Ronaldo is taller therefore better at heading. Messi is a better dribbler, free kick taker, passer and won of the best playmakers of all time. Messi has more goals against the top premier league teams than Ronaldo 🤣
Ali transcended boxing. He was phenomenon with everything he touched. He used his boxing status to fight for civil rights and help the underprivileged more than any other sportsperson. And he paid a huge price without shrinking. He stood tall. In a nutshell, Ali was the real GOAT.
People have a short memory. Ronaldo had a shocking few years battling with a terrible team in the hardest league in the world, Messi been kicking back chilling in France. Ronaldo done it more leagues and more difficult situation. Ronaldo all day
Terrible team that finished 2nd in the league the season before he joined? That scored way more goals without him than with him. That play better football without him than with him this year. Yea right
@@tarunreddy2031 Barca and psg the best or top 2 teams in there leagues without debate. Man U lucky to be top 6 and didn’t exactly set up for Ronaldo the way messis team did. Imagine telling Messi to high press and track back. Ronaldo played more different styles with a more diverse skill set.
@@Mikeoxmells-grimm what the hell are you talking about, in his prime, messi was asked to press and win the ball back, the whole tiki taka philosophy was setup on the ability to press together and win ball in vunerable positions to hurt teams. Man utd lucky to be top 6? Wtf are you smoking dude. They finished a comfortable 2nd when ronaldo moved there, led them to the worst points finish in their last 40 years, they scored more goals without him than with him. Ronaldo till 36 played at man utd, real madrid and Juventus who were all top 2 clubs in their respective leagues as well. Dint exactly setup ronaldo? All the dude does currently is be a penalty box threat and a counter attacking outlet and that too without the ball. Did you see what messi just did to the defender of the tournament in gvardiol? He is still running games from the half way line is why he was top 3 in chances created, line breaking passes, big chances created, take ons and dribbles completed while being the best assister and the second top scorer. There is a reason why no big european club wanted ronaldo in summer and he is clubless currently, if he was worth it, plenty of clubs would have taken the punt and set teams to suit ronaldo.
Winning 3 champion league back to back & also being the top scorer in each of those cl campaign even messi who played in of the greatest team ever couldn't win the cl back to back & also it was ronaldo who started the rivalry by coming to Spain & going toe to toe with messi. Also Argentina have a history of winning world cups than Portugal. Portugal without Ronaldo barley qualified for WC but with Ronaldo they won two trophies. Everyone is passing by Ronaldo as if all is achievement & records don't mean anything. He kicked started of his career at united won everything at united became one of the greatest at united & than went to Madrid Broke they all time goal scoring record in just under 6years that's madness! I don't care what anyone says a champion league is alot harder to win than the world cup if champion league was easy to win psg & man City would had won it countless times the amount of money their spent to win it & they haven't yet. If you think a 7 games tournament end the goat debate thats crazy!! Also Ronaldo is a legend a 3 different clubs!! I just don't understand why we can't just appreciate both of them they gave us the best times to our lives. For me Ronaldo & messi are both #1
I’m with Darren when he said Ali. There’s something almost mythical about him. When you say Ali, everyone knows, even those that have never watched the sport.
Ali was a great person but for the things he did outside of the ring which is a beautiful thing. If we're talking purely sport it's messi all day. It's not messi's fault that he's not a witty black man speaking absolute fire on political and global problems 😆
@@petermatthews2831 You know it's crazy Messi is so great without capitalizing on his greatness. It's like even Pele had the whole first global superstar thing going on, being paraded around the world, Maradona had the outspoken championing the downtrodden against Power for Argentina and Naples, Ronaldo has all his extra-curricular branding. You feel Messi could probably do more outside the game, but outside the game sponsorship and adverts, the man just goes home and sleeps after work lol, still that great.
What are these people talking about he never played out of Spain!! What does it even mean??😂😂 they are trying to make it seem like the PL is the best in the world upon which they regard a player's football career! So if this happens to be the case how many times have the PL teams won the UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE?? In the Last 20 years and how many times?? P.s Messi has scored 26 or 27 goals against the top English teams!! What does this tell you?? Messi won 2 champions league against the best team in England at the time MU and outclassed them in both finals! Making their best players look terrified (2011 final) when are these people going to realize that this argument is so stupid and senseless??🤷♂️
The man is free to have his opinion. They leave different legacies and can exist in the same space. Messi made football look effortless, Ronaldo made the impossible look possible. All this nonsense of 12 year olds saying Ronaldo is "just a goalscorer" is peak ignorance. The man is #2 all-time in career assists behind Messi and he never took corners or lateral free kicks because he was more valuable as an aerial threat, but yeah "just a goalscorer" :D
True,Ronaldo change so many times the outcome of games,see Juventus vs Atletico Madrid 3-0,just one of many cases. Messi never changed the outcome of games,that's why he'll never the goat of the football fans,he'll always be the goat of the media.
@@daemonvector46 Don't disrespect Messi, I don't think he has been as instrumental in leading great comebacks in big moments as Ronaldo throughout his career but to say "he never changed the outcomes of games" is incredibly harsh and simply not true. Appreciate greatness, in all its shapes and forms.
@@MarkWalmsley Bayern - Barca 8-2,PSG - Barca 4-0,Liverpool- Barca 4-0,Real Madrid-PSG 3-1 Messi was invisible in all those games and i could go on and on
cry more ..messi has cemented his place as an absolute GOAT...i am amazed people even compared penaldo with messi ..messi did things no one has ever done before in foot ball
@@reddev96 it been proven that he had bad coaches don't understand how put him play that way, since Juventus and now Fernando Santos, with a coach as Pep Guardiola, Anceloti, Zidane or Mourinho, he can play as a pure 9 and don't need to do the high pressure defensive rubbish, its obvious with his age he can't do that kind of pressure but only stay in big and small area to scoring goals that the function of a pure 9.
Zinedine 𝐙𝐢𝐝𝐚𝐧𝐞 talking 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 Lionel 𝐌𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢: "In the 2004/2005 season, we were going to go to the Camp Nou to play the Clásico against Barca. Our concern was only players like Ronaldinho, Deco, Xavi and Eto'o... But Ronaldo (R9) told us that his only worry was a 16 year old kid called Messi, he said he was afraid of this kid, but we didn't know him, we all said that Ronaldo was praising him only because they are both Latinos. Once on the field, we totally dominated Barca, but as soon as Rijkaard brought that kid on the field, the kid turned the game around, they started to dominated us, he played like a robot, he won every duel he had until he got a penalty for Ronaldinho & they equalized. On the way back to the bus, not only Ronaldo, everyone was talking about the performance of this 16 year old kid. It was from that day on that I knew that Lionel Messi would be the Goat 🐐 the ture football ⚽ legend." 🇦🇷
I've always favoured Messi but when they have done what they have done i think it more just comes down to personally preference of what u like to watch, but judging them now against each other abit different from judging how they were in there prime, especially when bring former players into it but only take there prime years! Ronaldo, last year in fairness, still scored many goals in the prem for a struggling, disjointed Man Utd....but he's also older! Either way, just total respect for the careers they've both had!
Football fans have short memory. It was just last season Messi only had 4 league goals after his debut season in a league that isn’t even top 5. Ronaldo won an international trophy for his country before Messi. The Euros is also played every 4 years so it’s as hard as the World Cup unlike the Copa that’s every 2 years. Ronaldo is older and Ronaldo was phenomenal at 35. We all agree he’s had a bad year or couple of months but where was this talk of the debate being over last year or even after Ronaldo won the nations league and Barcelona were struggling. Messi is great but if people view as this godly talent then why is he still neck and neck with Ronaldo in terms of achievement and statistics with Ronaldo. If a hardworking man has achieved just as much as the one who is seen as an alien then Messi has underachieved
Media bias ... where is the media on messi going off to Saudi and not telling psg and them banning him .. where is the media on messi missing miami games to watch his son train .. its insane.. noone talks about it
Ronaldo is the 2nd best player of the past 15 yrs! Its just been that way since Messi burst onto the scene! Messi scored so many goals while also creating so many for others, Ronaldo was not doing that, he left that kind of play many many yrs ago, which is when he became just a slightly above avg striker thats it, he didn't even dribble at one point or take any chances to go past players it was dreadful! Benzema and Lewa, Haaland are better strikers!
Why does a former Premier League player keep going on about Tom Brady, when at least 80% of the people drawn to these videos either don’t know who he is or couldn’t give af💀💀
Cr7 is a legend. Messi is a legend. Simple 🤛♥️ back in the day you never saw people compare and critique Pele and Maradona. People simply enjoyed and appreciated them ☝️.Don’t pit them against each other!
Vs Premier league Top 6 Ronaldo Games - 89 Goals - 36 Assists - 8 Goal/game ratio = 0.4 Total contribution G/A: 44 Messi Games - 36 Goals - 27 Assists - 6 Goal/game ratio = 0.75 Total contribution G/A = 33 Even in games where Messi didn’t score against PL teams he humiliated their bus parking tactics starting in April 2008 against Man utd which by the way Ronaldo played like trash only for Scholes to score the winner. If Messi joined mancity today he will easily get 30+ goals like Haaland. This comparison is a huge disrespect to Messi. Messi = Ronaldo+ Iniesta+ De Bruyne
I'm the biggest Ronaldo fan, but Messi is the goat. He was already the more skilled player, but now he has the trophies to edge Ronaldo. The debates over, Messi is the best player in the history of football.
He's the only one to become the best player of the tournament in two World Cups (the biggest football competition btw) and yet we're forced to believe he would struggle in the Prem 🤣🤣 this man is drunk.
And also it’s funny how the same people and pundits who were saying people should support Maguire are throwing Ronaldo under the bus. The hate for this man is just on another level
Messi is always compared to greats like Pele and Maradona while Cristiano is only compared to Messi. That's the difference. Whoever puts Cristiano anywhere near those 3 is ignorant and only understands football at a surface level.
The idea that Messi couldn't do it in the Premier league is total and utter nonsense. He has scored 26 goals against PL opposition in the champions league including humiliating the very best the premiership has to offer. We are supposed to believe that he couldn't do it against Stoke because it's raining 😆 😂
Put messi in the Everton team and see how many goals he’d be able to score in 38 games. Guarantee he would flop
Why do there even think that the overrated English league is the ultimate of football that's sacrilegious tho.
@@Gamer-do7qv and Ronaldo would carry Everton to a league title then right😂😂😂
Ok bro
@@madaxwayne when did I say that?
@@Gamer-do7qv that's a ridiculous comment. The best players play in the best teams. What evidence do you have that he couldn't score a ton of goals for Everton?
I don't take England fans serious because they are the only fans that sing "It's coming Home months before any tournament and end up getting humiliated.
The only ones who sing it's coming home cos they're the only ones who can sing it. They invented it
they are so dumb. i love it when they get humiliated. worse set of fans on the planet. banter fans is all they are.
You realise "It's coming home" is a joke? 99.9% of England fans know we're crap.
Spursy
Its an ironic song talking about how bad they are 😭
Messi has always been a superior footballer to Ronaldo. Both are incredible goalscorers, yet Messi's passing, vision and ability as a dribbler are on another level. The fact he's still showing that on the biggest stage of all at 35 just underlines further why he's the greatest. CR at his peak was of course far more than just a goalscorer, yet he's been dependent on the service of teammates over the last five years. Not to mention, he's never had a standout world cup; and has failed to even score or assist a single world cup knockout goal.
The argument also that Messi needs to do it in the PL is utterly ridiculous. This is someone who has shown it against all the best club teams in the CL and at international level. Also, many of the greatest ever players never played in England. That goes for Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, R9, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi, Rivaldo and countless others. Anyone who has any understanding of the game knows Messi has nothing to prove.
@Batman with prep did you even watch the World Cup kid? Most of his goals were legit penalty or not doesn’t deny the fact that Messi is getting better as he gets older and won the World Cup Ronaldo couldn’t even score against South Korea or Morocco!! Go back to playing your video games mate
Couldn't agree more mate spot on
Ronaldo hasn’t been relying on service for 5 years at all. Did you even watch him at juve? Legit just two years ago when he was at juve he was performing on a similar level to what Messi is now. Ronaldo was more of a left forward for juve and was still skinning people and bagging crazy goals. He scored that goal coming over his head on the volley. Insane technique. Ronaldo has fell off this season but I think it’s more personal issues made his ability diminish more and then his mentality broken because of his ability finally falling off.
@@jak3brap10 honestly lol these clowns just make stuff up to fit their agenda.
@@ericship8383 do you really think that penalty in the final was a foul? Not even a VAR lol smh
The only thing people will remember about Ronaldo from this World Cup is trying to claim a teammates goal.
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@Batman with prep So what are you trying to say, I know that you Penaldo fans are so desperate that you even want him to be given a goal he doesn't deserve.
@@batmanwithprep4073 so
Wasn't his goal and trying to claim it is embarrassing
Ronaldo FC in the mudddd
Ronaldo will always be my favorite player but Messi is on another level,he's in a league of his own, definitely the Goat and deserved this world cup win
Need more fans like you who can differentiate goat from favourite player
Messi fans always say this you think we can't see behind your pretense shut up
@@golazosandhighlights3416 You can be honest mate
@@golazosandhighlights3416 op is honest ronaldo fan and there is this guy, a salty ronaldo fans
Nah you not a ronaldo fan😂
Playing in England isn't the absolute final judgement of a player, wtf man, English football fans are a joke. If you take all Messi and CR7's trophies, stats and accolades away, just looking at them as footballers, how can someone say CR7 is a better Footballer?
And if you give back all their stats and accolades messi is still the best
@@A107-v9e what I said
exactly. ronaldo is an amazing goalscorer. but if u take that away from him he's totally useless as he doesn't deffend either. but messi can still help u with his dribbling and his amzing passing and playmaking. everyone know messi is better but they hate to admit it coz they hate messi
@@zabdi5710childish comment...messi defences 😂😂😂
Messi was always a better player anyway….but the English premier league is known as the toughest league in club football generally. Managers who have managed in several of them all say the same thing.
Mbappe has never played in the premier league but he's 100% better than any forward currently playing in the EPL. EPL fans act like it's some sort of validation for greatness, how many of the all time greats have actually played in the premier league?
9 of the top 10 greatest players of all time haven't played in england. That includes messi, pele, maradona, ronaldo nazario, zidane, platini, cryuff, backenbauer, maldini. The only one who makes this list is ronaldo but ronaldo's legacy was made at real madrid and not at utd.
@@tarunreddy2031 What about Bergkamp?.
@@kaneessey3839 im an arsenal fan and with all due respect, bergkamp isnt a top 10 player of all time.
@@kaneessey3839 what about him?
Haaland says hello
Idk why people are even bothered. The debate is over. It’s been over for years. But its definitely over now. Ronaldo fans have nothing to use as ammunition. Messi has won it all.
Being a witness in this world cup just proves how hated Ronaldo is and how they let messi slide with a hand ball but couldn't let ronaldo slide for a simple "ssssh" gesture towards the japanese player. Ronaldo is still the goat. The world cup was fixed. They didn't even let him play. Can't win a debate without actually having both fight🤷♂️
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Fixed ?
Man , ronaldo was benched by his own coach and friend .
Only this which is "fixed" is Ronaldo fans' ego after this world cup .
@@Dev-rc7sd exactly, it was fixed. It was easy to see. You even explained it perfectly. Read what you wrote again and ask why... for money. It was seen by many. Especially an obvious handball that was ignored. Was easy to see.
@@Dev-rc7sd because ronaldo did a "shhh" gesture to a Japanese player and put his finger to his mouth and the coach thought it was his reaction for getting benched but wasn't, he was talking to the japanese player. That's literally the reason but you start making up all these stories.See that's how I know you were not keeping up with the world cup and just talking out you're rear end. Don't even know the facts.
@@Dev-rc7sd what do you call messis hand ball if it's not fixed😅 he reached for it and wasn't a accident hit. Lol ronaldo remains the goat.
I feel for him cause Messi doesn’t care, he just won the best World Cup final ever!
No his team and the ref won it.
@@JG-us9luand you’re crying under every comment. Just remember, that for the rest of your life Messi will remain a world champion and there’s absolutely nothing YOU can do about it except cry and complain online in worthless UA-cam comments.
@@grez367 who cares when I can wind up silly people like you.
@@JG-us9lu your favourite player will never win 7 ballon D’ors, anyways have a good day continue commenting on UA-cam, fun life you’ve got
@@grez367 Thats because he's dead.
Ronaldo is better at pretending he scored when he didn't. That's all he is better at than Messi
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Pessi scored with his hand
@boom ok bro messi is goat stop insult or disrespect to ronaldo .. 🤦
@Batman with prep I think you forgot the commentry
He got kicked he got fouled
But he never dives
He is better in celebration at least SUIIIII
This “Ronaldo did it in the Prem” argument is just a way of establishing conditions that favour Ronaldo cos they don’t want to talk about their actual FOOTBALLING ABILITY on the pitch. La Liga was the best itw for large portions of Messis career anyway, and when Ronaldo came to his league he won just TWO league titles in 9 years.
For the majority of Messi and ronaldos career La Liga was a far better league than the premier league. It’s only last handful where the prem has overtaken
And Messi has 17 goals in 16 games against English clubs in the CL. He's destroyed the best English clubs in the past. But he's never done it against Stoke on a wet Tuesday night so he's not great.
@@alzer6467 He has also been part of the biggest bottle jobs in history - see Roma and Liverpool
@@alzer6467 Make that 27 in 36... if you're going to use stats, at least get them right
Talk about 'establishing conditions that favour your argument'. For the most part of their time in La Liga together, Barca had one arguably the best club team ever assembled. So is it any surprise they won more titles?
Messi always has been better about time some of you joined us
easily messi talent is on a whole different level
Where are the CR7 fangirls? =s
@Batman with prep cry river . A final that went to penalty shootout hahahah still France can’t win. be vice. cr7 will never win a World Cup till death
I never understood the comparison. It always befuddled me. There is no true comparison. It was always a reach.
@@success8948 messi isn't even the ucl goat... cry somewhere bro...
I think they way Messi and this Argentina team have combined has absolutely clarified that he could have played in any league & any team and been amazing in it
Could, would,may….smh!!…actually Roro did!
@@awilliekevinpaul3168 Messi won the World Cup.. has Ronaldo ??
C - Crying
R - Ranting
7 - Ballon dor for Messi
& worldcup Trophy!
Have a Glass of Milk! 🤣🤣😂😂😆😆😭😭
@@awilliekevinpaul3168 put Messi in any hard working team, who know their roles, they will win, because he will produce the magic... Ronaldo produces results as well, ain't no doot aboot that but Messi does it better, with more flair & style... is he the best ever? I think, Zidane deserves a mention as well
Messi has absolutely destroyed the best PL teams on the biggest stage in CL. Of course he would have been able to play in the PL.
As a Ronaldo fan, Messi does it for me. He's done it now and as a Ronaldo fan I concede
Please leave.
Top lad
Sorry lad. Never was a debate. Messi was more than just a goalscorer, he created and assisted.
That was tears Morgan with a voice changer 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anyone who says Messi isn't the greatest now is watching a different sport.
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The "he never left Spain" argument is such a dead one. Are people really suggesting Messi won't smash any league in the world? LOL. Go away. Let's be real anyway, the argument that Spain is a two or three team league doesn't greatly hold up given Sevilla & Villarreal's Europa successes. Messi has done it against every one of the PL sides that he's played against in the UCL, 27 goals in 35 games & these are only the elite sides from the PL. Give it a rest with that dead argument.
Ronaldo fans are clinging on to 'messi has never played in the premier league'. Messi is a better goalscorer than than aguero, better dribbler than hazard and a better playmaker than David Silva. All 3 are PL legends, and they think Messi would struggle in the premier league
Facts
French League humbled him. Look how his scoring rate went down😂
Could Messi perform at any other top European club? Of course, but don't discredit Ronaldo's success in England Italy + Spain
@@shinpads3453 he’s 35 lad 😂 he’s not going to bang in 2 game in France. Assists off the chart though .
"Must be a World Cup Winner to be in the GOAT conversation". According to the media haters who thought Messi was going home after the Saudi Arabia defeat. Ronaldo needs to find a club that will have him and try again 4 years from now, age 41.
He's never left Spain has he 😭 had me dead
The one in France is his brother Pierre.
@@monkey39128 nobody cares about the uber eats league
he heard the narratives about messi like 4 years ago and has parroted about it ever since id bet
@@imXyron Well yeah I agree it's not great. Needs another big club really.
classic
The only reason there was ever some debate is because of champions leagues, goal tallies and ballon d’or wins being similar (which all makes CR7 truly amazing too)….you can’t have actually watched their careers properly, watched them play properly, and believe Ronaldo could actually do what Messi could as a player overall
Right
Bang on
Messi cant do what Ronaldo does either!!! Stop this nonsense agenda. CR7 is better than Messi.
@@footballlover8055 What does Ronaldo do better than Messi? I'm sure all you can mention are attributes that have to do with goal-scoring and Messi still has a better goal-to-game ratio and is not far off in total goals. Now let's talk about playmaking, passing, dribbling, leadership, etc.
@@prospero3607 leadership, heading ability and not disappearing from big matches which has been Messi's mo other than this wc.
Messi is a better dribbler and passer for sure.
People keep saying Messi can't do in the premier league but actually he's got more goals against the top 6 than Wayne rooney, Alan shearer, Harry Kane, and all of the premier league legends except Sergio Aguero so that's the only player who's got more goals than him against the top 6 and he's not even played the hardest league in the world
Messi is the greatest player of all time as for the greatest athlete he's in top 2 if not top 😁 😁 😁
He is an England + Ronaldo fan, so what do you expect............most of the guys who fall into this category have lost their mind after this world cup
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Aye most of the deluded ones.
Without even playing in pl Messi has more goals against pl top six than Ronaldo.
But the top 6 is different all the time, whats your point? The English top 6 from 2008-2012 looks different to last seasons top 6.
@@imXyron Arsenal,Chelsea,Spurs, liverpool,Man Utd ,Man City are the top 6 and have been for the last 20 years.. swap City for Leeds in mid 2000s.
Only 4 will reach CL every year and Messi won't play all 4 teams Epl teams in a season,but he still has more goals against these teams than Ronaldo.
@@imXyron look at the prem table in 10/11 and compare it to 21/22. It’s literally the same 6 teams but in different order lmao
lol if Messi joined Man City and had de Bruyne assisting him he'll easily finish top scorer
I've been saying that this whole time😂
Years ago possibly but I think he'd be the one passing to the big viking fella if he went there now. I'd like to see him at City if he leaves PSG. A couple of years too early to be thinking about the rumoured MLS move.
@@monkey39128 There was a moment he could have come to Man City when leaving Barca. If Pep was somehow able to bring Messi into Man City next summer (which is very unlikely and just a fans dream), imagine the damage Messi would cause to every team Man City play against? It would be the best sign off for Messi because at 36 he could easily be used in rotation knowing he is part of a league winning side. Messi doesn't even need to come to the Premier League, but this would be the best way to shut up all the haters who think the premier league is the only form of football.
Messi is happy giving assists to Mbappe and Neymar now. He is playing as a attacking midfielder now.
I couldn't say if he's the best sportsman ever but if you look through the lens of do they inspire others and play their sport in the best spirit of sportsmanship. Every match I have ever seen him play in, he has played with a positive attitude and usually with a smile on his face, he gets kicked up and down the pitch but never throws a strop, he tracks back to help his team and always looks for the best option pass or shoot. Messi is definitely the greatest footballer I've ever seen and it is just his phenomenal talent. Greatest sports person who knows but every time Messi has left opposition players chasing shadows a smile comes to my face even when he did it against Liverpool.
I’m assuming he’s talking about Brazilian Ronaldo. Otherwise I can’t take it seriously
U think Brazilian Ronaldo is better than CR7 u are delusional
@@dwsh321 Prime R9 was easily better then any version of CR7. CR7 has better career tho
@@dwsh321 prime R9 was leagues clear of any version of cr7
@CARLOS MENDOZA Did he win two? Thought he only did one?
@@monkey39128 He was a reserve in Brazil's 1994 team.
Unless the ronaldo you talk is the brazillian ronaldo this isnt even a debate
The Brazilian doesn’t come close
@@deegzonthemic2707 he's laughing with 3 World cups and more golden boots then the Goal stealer Ronaldo from Portugal.
Nobody is talking about Fatnaldo here
@@wee6331 what 3 world cups, Ronaldo has 2,and he only played in one of them.
Tom Brady garden analogy was spot on🤣🤣🤣🤣
Federer greatest sportsman of all time. He changed tennis and ushered a generation of amazing tennis never seem before. But off court what a person. Most humble, always respectful and absolutely revered by past and present players. In England Federer was the only one whom English fans absolutely embraced same as Murray. Centre court absolutely adored him. And he had the emotion too. Not a robot .
Nadal and djockovic both are better than Federer, better head to head and more slams u can't argue that
@@barry2924 Read again, that's not what Kevins comment was about. But Federers peak was still higher than Nadals or Djokovics.
Federer has been owned by Djokovic in 3 finals at Wimbledon. You can’t be GOAT when you’re owned by players in your own era.
@@ShawniBawni Maybe as a person yeah, but Federer’s peak is not better than Novak’s. He only has 1 clay court grand slam (where Nadal has 10+) and someone else had to beat Nadal for Federer to get to the final. Djokovic is far more versatile across all surfaces and Federer only edges him on grass. Not to mention Djok is far more dominant across all 4 slams and will not only end with the most, but might even overtake Fed on the one slam he’s dominant on, Wimbledon. Djok’s peak was more dominant, superior head to head against both Fed and Rafa, but Federer’s play style looks more elegant. That’s about it.
Tiger Woods 🐐
Zidane, Maradona, Ronaldo, Baggio and Ronaldinho didn’t play in England … what a stupid claim
that last caller changing his mind at the end...brilliant lol
Both brilliant players and been a joy to watch them both play in my life time, and up until two years ago you could argue a case for both but there isn't a debate now Messi is better in my opinion , Messi in his old age adapted to the game where Ronaldo hasn't , players still look for Messi when he's on the pitch as they no he has a moment of magic in him where as United and Portugal both play better without him on the pitch now
Ronaldo’s ego is too big it s hard to make him accept he is aging(like everyone of us) and need to adapt
that was debatable till yesterday, it's over people
that England fan probably also thinks Prickford and Gareth Southgate are world class! Absolute clown!
messi is the greatest ever. he is also a very humble man
yes... very very humble tax evasion specialist
The 'more goals' argument for Ronaldo needs context. To date: Messi App: 1003, goals 793 (mins per goal =104), Ronaldo App: 1145, goals 819 (mins per goal 113). Assist stats are not even worth comparing.
It's true that Messi can do some stuff that Ronaldo doesn't do as well. And it's also true that Ronaldo can do certain things that Messi doesn't do as well. Like how to score goals with one's hair. Or assist a goal with his back. Or how to be a captain while sitting on the bench, from the beginning of the match. They're both great players, but one is constantly compared to Madonna and Pele and that one happens to have 1 more World Cup than the other.
I'm assuming in later life when Haaland gets a GOAT nomination, you'll bring up the world cup?
When you realise Messi has humiliated big premier league clubs by scoring 26 goals against them in the UCL😂😂. This whole "Ronaldo has done it in the Prem" thing is utter BS, Messi has proved himself multiple times against Prem clubs despite not playing in the Premier League.
It's disingenuous to say Ronaldo greatness is affected by how he carries himself and by doing that interview. I would like to know if maradona or tigre woods greatness were affected by how they carried themselves. We forget that these exceptional athletes are flawed just like the rest of us.
Meanwhile, back in reality: Messi destroyed all the big 6 teams everytime he had a chance, having 27 goals against them without having played a single minute in the premier league, you can only imagine the amount of goals he would've reached if he played his whole career in the Prem, Ronaldo fans are more and more delusional every day
And destroyed one of, if not the best prem team ever, that had Ronaldo in it.
Piers Morgan With A Voice Changer🤣🤣. No logic just Love🤣🤣
MARADONA ,Pele ,Ronaldinho ,Ronaldo 9 ,Cruyff ,Hagi ,Stoichkov,Rivaldo Baresi ,Maldini,Puskas ,Distefano ,Rivelino ,never played in England but because CR did ,Messi was supposed to ? Ridiculous argument ,CR left Man U cos he was booed in every ground in England after the Rooney incident,left Madrid cos the fans turned on him .Messi didn’t need to leave Barca ,they pushed him out for greedy financial reasons eventually .
Beckenbauer.
piers morgan in disguise?
The conversation should be Prime Messi or Prime R9.
Definitely piers Morgan. Should have talked about meghan he would have lost it 🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣
Why English fans think that EPL is the only league in the world where player has to play to prove himself 😂😂 Ronaldo haven't won world cup and Messi has end of debate
Huge Messi fan but I really would like to see Christiano Ronaldo play at the next World Cup and win it.
nah, absolutely don't want it. eh.
Don’t pretend you are a penaldo fan
@Commie Slayer I always put Messi over ronaldo even though there were some things Christian was slightly better than Messi. I really liked the ronaldo interview he had with the one English dude. As much as I like futbol this game doesn’t alter or change my personal life, I could’ve cared less if Messi won a cup or mbappe did. Those guys are living their dream life and im still working on mine.
Im not a fan girl of anything, just an observer.
Ronaldo's a goal freak, Messi's a magician. He could have no goals and he'd still be better than Ronaldo. Who's better - Iniesta or Lampard? I love Frank, and his goal record pisses all over Iniesta's, but no one in their right mind would say he was a better footballer than Iniesta The same applies here, except the irony is Messi's statistically STILL better than Ronaldo too, he's a one off.
Ronaldo is the greatest pure scorer we have ever seen. He can score from anywhere and everywhere. Both Right and Left foot. Headers with his leaping ability and set pieces. Messi is the better all around player.
Ronaldo is a goal scorer but his finishing is not the best ever
When you start your career stealing glory from another man name (R9) - you deserve this humiliation. He never put respect on the 'real' Ronaldos name, said he was greater than Pele a few years back, and therefore deserved this great humiliation. Messi is was and will always be Messi , the GOAT. R9 Ronaldo = El Fenomeno.
Yet Messi still scored more goals than him
So the first guy said ronaldo was wrong for doing the interviews and walking out when he was clearly upset over the loss but didn’t mention that Messi actually retired in 2016 and turned his back on his own country after a final loss? So retiring after a loss is acceptable but walking down the tunnel is not?
Messi has always killed it the champions league and that is a higher quality competition than the world Cup, so he's already proved himself now everywhere, and including the CL (which, in terms of quality, is as good as it gets).
Winning 3 champion league back to back & also being the top scorer in each of those cl campaign even messi who played in of the greatest team ever couldn't win the cl back to back & also it was ronaldo who started the rivalry by coming to Spain & going toe to toe with messi. Also Argentina have a history of winning world cups than Portugal. Portugal without Ronaldo barley qualified for WC but with Ronaldo they won two trophies. Everyone is passing by Ronaldo as if all is achievement & records don't mean anything. He kicked started of his career at united won everything at united became one of the greatest at united & than went to Madrid Broke they all time goal scoring record in just under 6years that's madness! I don't care what anyone says a champion league is alot harder to win than the world cup if champion league was easy to win psg & man City would had won it countless times the amount of money their spent to win it & they haven't yet. If you think a 7 games tournament end the goat debate thats crazy!! Also Ronaldo is a legend a 3 different clubs!! I just don't understand why we can't just appreciate both of them they gave us the best times to our lives. For me Ronaldo & messi are both #1
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Not discrediting Ronaldo. I was just saying that Messi has already done it at the top level consistently, so all that rubbish written before about him not being the GOAT because he's never done anything at international level, can now shut up!
My point was that international level is lower than champions league level anyway, so the international debate was stupid to begin with.
In terms of Ronaldo vs Messi, I will quote this:
With Ronaldo, people stop and stare and say WOW
With Messi, people stop and stare and say HOW
Both have been awesome, but one of them shines that little bit brighter.
Saying ucl > world cup is stupid everyone knows world cup is the biggest competition in the world of football
@Natwarittha Paliyanan
The biggest competition doesn't mean it's the best.
International teams are restricted by what players they can select. Club teams have huge amounts of money to form 'super teams'.
A last four of Champions League would, at the very least, equal (and probably better) an international last four (semi-final).
Euro 2004. Who won it? Greece lol 😆
Sure, they played absolutely brilliantly and deserved to win it, but come on.
Look at the teams that you play in the World Cup. Saudi Arabia. USA. Sweden. Iran.
Basically, the top ten international sides are the teams with real quality all over the park. But you can say that the top ten champions league teams are at least of equal quality, and, IMO, better. Real Madrid versus Brazil. Who'd win that? I'd make Madrid favourites. Everyday.
Outside of Europe, where do all the great players come from? South America? Yeah, they all play in Europe. In teams that compete for (you guessed it, the Champions League).
All the best players in the world play in Europe. Because that's where the money quality and credibility is.
You get the odd talented Brazilian player who still plays in the Brazilian league (but not many of them), and after that World Cup, they get signed by Real Madrid. To play in the Champions League.
Messi has scored 27 goals in 36 games against the TOP 6 from the Premier League 😂
Ronaldo has scored 36 in 89!!!
So ronaldo has only scored 9 more goals against the best 6 teams in the Premier League in 53 more games 😂
27 goals in 36! He would of destroyed the PL far more than Ronaldo
Messi scores alot against premier league because it's in a knockout context where teams are playing open, actually trying to win.
Different story playing away to Burnley as they put 10 men behind the ball
@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313 pathetic argument. So Pele is terrible cause he only scored in Brazil? Ronaldo scores a hat trick against Norwich, big deal. The point is he has shown he can’t do it against the big teams. 89 games to score 36 is Kane numbers, not Messi numbers. If the premier league was sooooo good, England (who other than Owen Hargreaves and Beckham) has had only Premier League players in their squads for the last 20-30 years…should be a cake walk for them to win a tournament?
@@chrismilne6120 Kane numbers tell me his stat vs every other league please and tell me Messi's I want to check something
Federer didn’t get kicked and punched while carrying himself ,Messi carried 10 players for most of his international career .
Get lost. Tevez, Aguero, di Maria, Levezzi , Higuain didn't need Messi to carry them. You could say Argentina has had the best set of attackers in the last decade and a half.
@@darkoanton5 di Maria is the only person who stepped in tht list
@alta8029 he scored and did something among every game
@Alta Di Maria did the job yesterday
@Alta Yeah I do 15 years at the top and 7 balon dors
This is no longer a valid question...it is now completely resolved question, Messi is the GOAT.
When people mention Ronaldo scoring more goals... They do realise he's 2 years old right? That means he's had alot more time to score said goals..... He's always taken penalties, Messi hasn't. I remember Messi taking a penalty and instead of shooting he passed it to his side for Suarez to score. It's all about the team for Messi, it's all about Ronaldo to Ronaldo
@Batman with prep you are joking right? Where do you think messi played? When he had players like Ibrahimovic, Etoo, Villa, Henry? 🤣🤣🤣 ronaldo has played a striker role a lot more than Messi. How old are you?
@Batman with prep actually by your other comments, can definitely tell youre young. Call me a 'pessi tard' yet Ronaldo has scored loads more penalties 🤣 have a good night, love from pessi tard x
@@Gagefelstead Ronaldo being two years older doesn’t really matter because he played his first 4 seasons of his career as a wide midfielder, Ronaldo is a better goal scorer, straight up fact, whether or not he’s a better player is a different debate but the case is closed as far as goals are concerned
@@agnikaineverdies7646 But you're suggesting by saying that, that Messi was an out & out striker and he wasn't
@@agnikaineverdies7646 since 2010,messi has more goals than Ronaldo, how about that?
Did ronaldo play as a midfielder in the 2010s as well?
Go watch on UA-cam. 'Cristiano Ronaldo the Man who can do Everything' if you are sincere with yourself there is no one else like him. He is Superman. You can love him or hate him, but his the complete striking force. He is the GOAT.
It's not as crazy to be make the title imo both amazing players and it's been a honour to watch them both 👏
Give it up mate 😂
2:51 Scum media hypocrisy,they cover what Messi during and after that match against Netherlands
Ronaldo IMO is the best finisher, but messi is the best overall player to play the modern game.
Is he? Messi has a better goal to game ratio with far less shots as well
I don't think CR7 is a better finisher at all, i guarantee Messi's goal to shot ratio is much better. CR7 was fantastic though and on top of that imagine if Messi was better with his head and right foot but stilll he is so close to CR7 in goals!!
Messi is a better finisher, passer. In most categories messi comes out on top. Messi has better goals to game ratio, hes even a better free kick taker. Only areas where Ronaldo is better is hes better with heading. As we see in the final it didn't matter that messi cannot head
R9 real Ronaldo pre injury was lights year clear versus CR7 in pure finishing. CR7 not in top 5 greatest footballers.
Messi is the best finisher ever too. It is very very rare you won’t see him not hit the target at least, absolute clinician. Whereas Ronaldo just goes for power and you see where his free kicks end up. At the wall or 30m over the bar.
Ronaldo is taller therefore better at heading. Messi is a better dribbler, free kick taker, passer and won of the best playmakers of all time. Messi has more goals against the top premier league teams than Ronaldo 🤣
Ali was the greatest sportsperson ever
Disagree. You can't say someone from one sport is the best, given they wouldn't be able to show that in another sport.
Ali wasn’t even the best in his own sport
@@omerta_ita true
Ali transcended boxing. He was phenomenon with everything he touched. He used his boxing status to fight for civil rights and help the underprivileged more than any other sportsperson. And he paid a huge price without shrinking. He stood tall. In a nutshell, Ali was the real GOAT.
If Messi won a prem title they would say he needs an Italian one. Just accept it ppl he’s the goat.
Simon making my day! 🤣😂
People have a short memory. Ronaldo had a shocking few years battling with a terrible team in the hardest league in the world, Messi been kicking back chilling in France. Ronaldo done it more leagues and more difficult situation. Ronaldo all day
Terrible team that finished 2nd in the league the season before he joined? That scored way more goals without him than with him. That play better football without him than with him this year. Yea right
@@tarunreddy2031 Barca and psg the best or top 2 teams in there leagues without debate. Man U lucky to be top 6 and didn’t exactly set up for Ronaldo the way messis team did. Imagine telling Messi to high press and track back. Ronaldo played more different styles with a more diverse skill set.
@@Mikeoxmells-grimm what the hell are you talking about, in his prime, messi was asked to press and win the ball back, the whole tiki taka philosophy was setup on the ability to press together and win ball in vunerable positions to hurt teams. Man utd lucky to be top 6? Wtf are you smoking dude. They finished a comfortable 2nd when ronaldo moved there, led them to the worst points finish in their last 40 years, they scored more goals without him than with him. Ronaldo till 36 played at man utd, real madrid and Juventus who were all top 2 clubs in their respective leagues as well.
Dint exactly setup ronaldo? All the dude does currently is be a penalty box threat and a counter attacking outlet and that too without the ball. Did you see what messi just did to the defender of the tournament in gvardiol? He is still running games from the half way line is why he was top 3 in chances created, line breaking passes, big chances created, take ons and dribbles completed while being the best assister and the second top scorer. There is a reason why no big european club wanted ronaldo in summer and he is clubless currently, if he was worth it, plenty of clubs would have taken the punt and set teams to suit ronaldo.
Winning 3 champion league back to back & also being the top scorer in each of those cl campaign even messi who played in of the greatest team ever couldn't win the cl back to back & also it was ronaldo who started the rivalry by coming to Spain & going toe to toe with messi. Also Argentina have a history of winning world cups than Portugal. Portugal without Ronaldo barley qualified for WC but with Ronaldo they won two trophies. Everyone is passing by Ronaldo as if all is achievement & records don't mean anything. He kicked started of his career at united won everything at united became one of the greatest at united & than went to Madrid Broke they all time goal scoring record in just under 6years that's madness! I don't care what anyone says a champion league is alot harder to win than the world cup if champion league was easy to win psg & man City would had won it countless times the amount of money their spent to win it & they haven't yet. If you think a 7 games tournament end the goat debate thats crazy!! Also Ronaldo is a legend a 3 different clubs!! I just don't understand why we can't just appreciate both of them they gave us the best times to our lives. For me Ronaldo & messi are both #1
I’m with Darren when he said Ali. There’s something almost mythical about him. When you say Ali, everyone knows, even those that have never watched the sport.
Ali was a great person but for the things he did outside of the ring which is a beautiful thing. If we're talking purely sport it's messi all day. It's not messi's fault that he's not a witty black man speaking absolute fire on political and global problems 😆
@@petermatthews2831 You know it's crazy Messi is so great without capitalizing on his greatness. It's like even Pele had the whole first global superstar thing going on, being paraded around the world, Maradona had the outspoken championing the downtrodden against Power for Argentina and Naples, Ronaldo has all his extra-curricular branding. You feel Messi could probably do more outside the game, but outside the game sponsorship and adverts, the man just goes home and sleeps after work lol, still that great.
What are these people talking about he never played out of Spain!! What does it even mean??😂😂 they are trying to make it seem like the PL is the best in the world upon which they regard a player's football career! So if this happens to be the case how many times have the PL teams won the UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE?? In the Last 20 years and how many times??
P.s Messi has scored 26 or 27 goals against the top English teams!! What does this tell you?? Messi won 2 champions league against the best team in England at the time MU and outclassed them in both finals! Making their best players look terrified (2011 final) when are these people going to realize that this argument is so stupid and senseless??🤷♂️
The man is free to have his opinion. They leave different legacies and can exist in the same space. Messi made football look effortless, Ronaldo made the impossible look possible.
All this nonsense of 12 year olds saying Ronaldo is "just a goalscorer" is peak ignorance. The man is #2 all-time in career assists behind Messi and he never took corners or lateral free kicks because he was more valuable as an aerial threat, but yeah "just a goalscorer" :D
True,Ronaldo change so many times the outcome of games,see Juventus vs Atletico Madrid 3-0,just one of many cases.
Messi never changed the outcome of games,that's why he'll never the goat of the football fans,he'll always be the goat of the media.
"Messi never changed the outcome of games".......what lol!
@@daemonvector46 Don't disrespect Messi, I don't think he has been as instrumental in leading great comebacks in big moments as Ronaldo throughout his career but to say "he never changed the outcomes of games" is incredibly harsh and simply not true. Appreciate greatness, in all its shapes and forms.
@@MarkWalmsley Bayern - Barca 8-2,PSG - Barca 4-0,Liverpool- Barca 4-0,Real Madrid-PSG 3-1 Messi was invisible in all those games and i could go on and on
@@veckgames please support him in this trying times for his mental health.. he may never sleep again.. be supportive
cry more ..messi has cemented his place as an absolute GOAT...i am amazed people even compared penaldo with messi ..messi did things no one has ever done before in foot ball
Has ronaldo found a club yet?
No
He'd do a decent job at wing back FC aka Chelsea.
The last guy sums up the majority of Ronaldo fans, they know Messi is better but can’t admit it
If Ronaldo playing only as a pure 9 and forget the rubbish of high pressure, he can still do the job until 41.
It's been proven he cant
No he can't
@@reddev96 it been proven that he had bad coaches don't understand how put him play that way, since Juventus and now Fernando Santos, with a coach as Pep Guardiola, Anceloti, Zidane or Mourinho, he can play as a pure 9 and don't need to do the high pressure defensive rubbish, its obvious with his age he can't do that kind of pressure but only stay in big and small area to scoring goals that the function of a pure 9.
@@reddev96 he scored 18 goals last year ofc he can
@@pedrorodrigues7285 Butthurt Ronaldo fanboys crying in the corner
Zinedine 𝐙𝐢𝐝𝐚𝐧𝐞 talking 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 Lionel 𝐌𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢: "In the 2004/2005 season, we were going to go to the Camp Nou to play the Clásico against Barca. Our concern was only players like Ronaldinho, Deco, Xavi and Eto'o...
But Ronaldo (R9) told us that his only worry was a 16 year old kid called Messi, he said he was afraid of this kid, but we didn't know him, we all said that Ronaldo was praising him only because they are both Latinos.
Once on the field, we totally dominated Barca, but as soon as Rijkaard brought that kid on the field, the kid turned the game around, they started to dominated us, he played like a robot, he won every duel he had until he got a penalty for Ronaldinho & they equalized.
On the way back to the bus, not only Ronaldo, everyone was talking about the performance of this 16 year old kid.
It was from that day on that I knew that Lionel Messi would be the Goat 🐐 the ture football ⚽ legend." 🇦🇷
I've always favoured Messi but when they have done what they have done i think it more just comes down to personally preference of what u like to watch, but judging them now against each other abit different from judging how they were in there prime, especially when bring former players into it but only take there prime years! Ronaldo, last year in fairness, still scored many goals in the prem for a struggling, disjointed Man Utd....but he's also older! Either way, just total respect for the careers they've both had!
Lol your definitely a cr7 fan 😂
Messi is much better at football
@@Allthingspoll He literally said he favours Messi...
@@Allthingspoll he just spoke facts, Messi also had a poor season last season.
@@dawitsco9283 went to psg when Lille was champions and won the league and had an average rating of 8.3?
If Messi was from Europe, this wouldn't even be a debate.
Siuu CR7
Suiii CR37. Messuuii the emir of football
@@sheedo1999 siuuu man
1. The lack of respect for Wayne Gretzky is baffling.
2. This fascination of the PL being better than the CL or even the WC is mind numbing, it ain’t.
Messi spent his entire career in a farmers league. At least Ronny played at the top level.
Get a grip they were both in the same league at their prime and messi was far better
@@reddev96 disagree. Ronaldo was made and built in the best league in the world. Messi has always spend his time in farmers leagues.
Ronaldo literally spent NINE years in Messis league 🤣🤣
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. and Messi has won 4 CLs and Ronaldo has won 5 plus a Euro.
That farmers league that Barca and Madrid dominated Champions league for a decade ?
La Liga from 2009-2017 was better than the prem.
Lionel Messi vs Cristiano Ronaldo was never an argument. Messi is the best ever even before world cup started
They converted that Burnley fan into a Messi fan 😂😂😂
Course the only two delusional answers came from a Liverpool fan and a Utd fan 😂😂😂
Football fans have short memory. It was just last season Messi only had 4 league goals after his debut season in a league that isn’t even top 5. Ronaldo won an international trophy for his country before Messi. The Euros is also played every 4 years so it’s as hard as the World Cup unlike the Copa that’s every 2 years. Ronaldo is older and Ronaldo was phenomenal at 35. We all agree he’s had a bad year or couple of months but where was this talk of the debate being over last year or even after Ronaldo won the nations league and Barcelona were struggling. Messi is great but if people view as this godly talent then why is he still neck and neck with Ronaldo in terms of achievement and statistics with Ronaldo. If a hardworking man has achieved just as much as the one who is seen as an alien then Messi has underachieved
Using the nations league as an argument is embarrassing
Ronaldo has only one league goal this season in premier league .
Nations league😂😂
Media bias ... where is the media on messi going off to Saudi and not telling psg and them banning him .. where is the media on messi missing miami games to watch his son train .. its insane.. noone talks about it
Messi has tons of goals against top English sides.
I think Messi is has the most goals against English teams in the Champion League.
Ronaldo is the 2nd best player of the past 15 yrs! Its just been that way since Messi burst onto the scene! Messi scored so many goals while also creating so many for others, Ronaldo was not doing that, he left that kind of play many many yrs ago, which is when he became just a slightly above avg striker thats it, he didn't even dribble at one point or take any chances to go past players it was dreadful! Benzema and Lewa, Haaland are better strikers!
Where are Penaldo & his fans now?...they seem very quiet of late...the debate over which one is the GOAT is now over & laid to rest...nuff said!!!!
Messi scored 26 goal top 5 english teams sow do they think messi can't score goals against small teams
How come loyalty has become a negative in football?
Why does a former Premier League player keep going on about Tom Brady, when at least 80% of the people drawn to these videos either don’t know who he is or couldn’t give af💀💀
So what If Ronaldo played in England? Messi show that he can played againts them🤷♂️.
And Ronaldo fans know that Messi is not a joke☺
No one cares about an opinion of english fan they are known to lose . Messi is the goat
Cr7 is a legend. Messi is a legend. Simple 🤛♥️ back in the day you never saw people compare and critique Pele and Maradona. People simply enjoyed and appreciated them ☝️.Don’t pit them against each other!
Vs Premier league Top 6
Ronaldo
Games - 89
Goals - 36
Assists - 8
Goal/game ratio = 0.4
Total contribution G/A: 44
Messi
Games - 36
Goals - 27
Assists - 6
Goal/game ratio = 0.75
Total contribution G/A = 33
Even in games where Messi didn’t score against PL teams he humiliated their bus parking tactics starting in April 2008 against Man utd which by the way Ronaldo played like trash only for Scholes to score the winner. If Messi joined mancity today he will easily get 30+ goals like Haaland. This comparison is a huge disrespect to Messi.
Messi = Ronaldo+ Iniesta+ De Bruyne
I'm the biggest Ronaldo fan, but Messi is the goat. He was already the more skilled player, but now he has the trophies to edge Ronaldo. The debates over, Messi is the best player in the history of football.
He's the only one to become the best player of the tournament in two World Cups (the biggest football competition btw) and yet we're forced to believe he would struggle in the Prem 🤣🤣 this man is drunk.
And also it’s funny how the same people and pundits who were saying people should support Maguire are throwing Ronaldo under the bus. The hate for this man is just on another level
“Turned all his notifications off and dint watch it” 😂
Ya. Beating Fulham is bigger than beating the defending champs in the world cup final. 🙄
Messi is always compared to greats like Pele and Maradona while Cristiano is only compared to Messi. That's the difference. Whoever puts Cristiano anywhere near those 3 is ignorant and only understands football at a surface level.