I firmly believe that on Super Bowl 50, the Broncos made a deal with the devil. They'd be allowed to win that game and let Peyton Manning go out on top, but in return they have to suck for 50 years.
Yep. I am from the cheese loving tundra. We have a great Offensive line. When we didn't and our running game was garbage Aaron Rodgers suddenly didn't look so amazing. Same guy- amazing arm, make all the reads, win the mental aspect, protect the ball, was always throwing the ball away and spending too much time on his back.
The lack of upper management as well, gotta remember they’d been without an actual owner for close to a decade before Walmart bought them. Their problems started way before the Russ trade.
and no one brings up the fact that our walmart overlord owners possibly pressured George Paton into giving Russ that contract immediately after they bought the team, which is a hilarious amalgamation of what the Broncos team philosophy has been for the past 7 years: make half-wit short-sighted hasty decisions out of desperation without any consideration for the future in the hopes for immediate success and then having it immediately blow up in their face
The Vikings paid Cousins 40million and he was a proven loser. At least Rus did something with the Seahawks. Hell the Vikings pry looking to pay Rus 200mil now.
Even crazier not to keep him and build around him. We gave this no chance to breathe and grow with a lousy Hackett year and an ulterior motive SP year. SMH.
Takes my mind and pain away from the Lions. (yes, I know they won their division this year... but they can't punch me in the gut every time they get home from work for 30 straight years and then expect forgiveness because they bring flowers one day.)
I lived in south Florida for the entirety of the post-Marino Dolphins purgatory of the 2000s. It's completely agonizing to watch a perennial top 10 defense with Hall of Famers (Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor in this case) go 7-9/8-8 EVERY. FREAKING. YEAR. because the QB play is terrible and the team does nothing but sign secondary FA options to address the issue
I am technically a "Hater" because I have never thought Russ was all that good, but I acknowledge the absolute fact that Russ is good enough to be a starter in the NFL and should get a starting job somewhere in the league.
Problem is, he's not on 'good enough' money, he's on 'franchise messiah' money in a city that’s seen John Elway and Peyton Manning, and whose new head coach once had Drew Brees. The contract set the bar.
He wouldn't have agreed to the trade without that guarantee. That's a big reason why the Hawks had a hard time shopping him and him rejecting trades in the past.
@@BoleDaPole so you tell him no. They bartered out of a place of weakness and paid for it. Let another team extend him before watching him play a snap for them like a big dumb idiot. Don't let it be you.
As a Raiders fan, Perna I feel your pain. Not QB specific, but spending stupid money on a skills player/coach only to last two years, get forced out, and still owe them a dump truck of money.
As probably the only person in the world who wants BOTH the Broncos and Raiders to do well how do you think I feel :( I chose the Raiders as my team as a kid in the 80s only for a combination of John Elway and the Raiders moving back to Oakland {I'm English.....We hate teams moving} to turn me into a Broncos fan.
@@franohmsford7548 That's me with the Cards. I was born in AZ in 1979 the Cards got here in 1988. Started as A Raiders fan in like 1984. Since there wasn't a home team when I became a fan I have my team, AFC, and my home State team, NFC.
As a Seahawks fan who was insulted repeatedly following the Wilson move to Denver, I’m absolutely loving this! As a University of Washington alum, I’m really hoping Denver doesn’t get Penix as he deserves WAY better than to be a Bronco. Another great video as always….THANKS!
As a fellow Seahawks fan, I was loving this... but I've been watching this dead horse get beat so long, I can't even remember why I was mad. Perna talked a bunch of shit the offseason before last, but I think his debt got paid after that Christmas, with Pat Star calling the Broncos loss to the LA Microwave Mayfields.
I think Russ would have been willing to play ball and help the Broncos with the contract situation... if they hadn't tried to force him to forgo the injury clause or be benched. I don't know how anyone in the front office thought that was a good idea.
It’s funny Sean Payton says the door still open for Russell Wilson, as if they have a choice. Whether he’s on the team or off the team he gets paid. I love it.
WSU QB Cam Ward just declared for the draft as well. I don't think they should reach and take him in the 1st, but if he's available in the 2nd day of the draft, he's definitely a great development prospect
Teams ALWAYS say how the have to adapt and evolve but then they never really do until theyre forced to by firing someone. Its actually a beautiful window into the human condition and human behavior. You want things to change you need to change the way you think first.
I have no idea what it is, because I never watch UA-cam videos where people consistently complain but yours is so entertaining. I am so sorry for the pain that you've had to endure for 8 years.
It’s so baffling they would try to force a pay cut on Russ mid season. He just beat the former champs, the season is still wide open and the Broncs were on a heater. It’s like Denver was trying to purposefully sabotage their season.
Its to save money. And because Russ is not the deal. Making the playoffs one a one and done wild card is things Charger fans are stoked about... Not Broncos.
@@arthurcharlie2873you ever hear the phrase “walk before you run?” thats the problem with the broncos organization and some of its fanbase, cuz you mfs just want results now and act surprised when this team only takes half-measures and end up being a complete dumpster fire. our team has been one of the worst in the league for almost a decade and saying this dumb bs like this team is still a contender when we’ve been a bottom 10 team multiple times is just a reflection on how delusional and shortsighted this team is as a whole
It’s coach speak, you can’t come into a job and say you don’t believe in your QB1, I’m willing to bet Payton wanted to move on as soon as he got here but you have to play the media game
I’m pretty sure the Broncos only wanted to rework Russell’s contract to trade him, I highly doubt that if he agreed to rework it, they were planning on keeping him they just want to make the trade more appealing. If I knew that I’d say hell no too.
@@stalebr.754that would actually be hilarious. Getting paid top level money by his old team so he takes the minimum to help another team have cap space
I keep telling ya, the only way to break the curse is they need a QB with a forehead bigger than Peyton Manning's, so they better hope that Manning down in Texas grows a giant Frankenstein head when he declares for the draft eventually.
@@michaelreich4827 Manning's forehead, Elway's teeth. Tim Tebow's faith, Russell Wilson's corniness, and whatever Joe Flacco's couch is made of cause something seeped into him that made him the best Browns QB ever.
In fairness to anti-Future, there’s a difference between being willing to renegotiate your contract with a team that you’re gonna be apart of for years to come and renegotiating your contract with a team that’s undoubtedly giving you the boot as soon as possible.
The Browns went through the 30+ circles of QB hell to have Baker guide us to qb purgatory where we found our love Joe Flacco to hopefully ascend to Paradise… god I love the divine comedy
Lions had a top QB and couldn’t do anything with him. We could not get one playoff or division championship with him. The first year he leaves and wins a SB.
If the Broncos want a perpetual loser with no super bowl wins. Only a couple playoff wins and primetime wins combined. Then yeah, they will not be disappointed. Are you dumb on purpose?
The SB interception derailed Wilson's career, cost Seahawks a dynasty, a football team needs to be united to go well and unless Wilson changes his ways at the next location it'll just be more of the same, making your team mates go through your management to contact you as the starting QB shows why he is on the oust.
Stop believing everything that you hear. Most of Wilson's teammates had his direct number. Russ don't give out his number to people who he don't mess with. Lynch was good friends with players on the defense who didn't like Russ. You have no ideal about that situation. Lockett, Dissly, DK, Cliff Avril, Mike Bennett and several others who he associated with outside of football all have his number. He's not giving out his number to people who he didn't trust. There's nothing wrong with that.
Btw, that SB interception happened because the defense blew a 10 point lead with 6 minutes in the game. They gave up 2 td's in like 4 minutes to Brady. The defense put the offense in that situation. People don't want to talk about that part. If the defense could have held Brady to a fg on that last td drive, a fg would have won the game. That didn't ruin Russ career. It was only his 3rd year in the league. He went on to win a lot of games. The Seahawks were in the playoffs 8 out of 10 seasons that Russ was their. They only had 1 losing season. That was in 2021 when he was injured.
We let him have it, man. And to be fair, power rankings are about who's currently good and not who was good, and the Broncos were on like a 4-5 game winning streak at the time.
Wilson is as good as the team: bad team=bad QB (2022), mediocre team=mediocre QB (2023), great team=great QB (2014-15). Denver has been fortunate to have 2 truly great QBs who could elevate the team and win games. But, Elway needed TD and Manning needed an elite defense to win a SB. So, it's still a team sport, which makes trading away all that draft capital for Wilson, and possibly Payton, a really poor decision. They should have kept Siemian or Lock and built a championship team. May not have won a SB but would have been a whole lot better than they have been.
BINGO. I really did not get the Russ Wilson trade. I'd even bet 4 out of 5 of us dumbasses in this comment section would not offer that trade let alone sign an extended contract with boatloads of guarantees before Russ made a snap in Broncos uniform. As bad as Drew Locke was, the Broncos would have fared much better sucking with Locke for one more year then had the resulting premium draft picks that were traded away for Russ plus the sizeable salary cap to bring in proven young talent
Not a Broncos fan.. at all.. but I will say I lo-lo-lo-love what you do and how entertaining you make failure look for the Broncos, but thats important because youre giving fans something to look forward to. Good yob! Keep up the great work, bud!
do you know why the Broncos make you "football atupid" Brandon Perna ? It's because you are a true and loyal fan - LOVE IS BLIND - and that is NOT a bad thing. Teams need more fans like you - RIDE or DIE ? It only feels like that now. Hang in there, it WILL GET BETTER - remember how THIS feels because it will only make you appreciate the times when you start winning again. On the bright side, we ALL LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL RIDE ON - GO BRANDON PERNA !!!!
I just got madden recently and in a simulation where i took control of the commanders I also started kinda focusing on how the broncos were doing in the simulation i was doing, the broncos ended up staying in purgatory for a couple more years but then they ended up tanking for archie manning and got him. I absolutely lost my shit seeing him end up there. it was so poetic
Crazy how the Packers and Broncos could both go 9-8 and for GB it's a massive win and huge improvement over their 8-9 2022 vs Denver being in hell after going 5-12 in '22
Yeah, the Seattle fans with their "good riddance he was terrible - Geno will lead us to the promised land talk", and the two teams are basically identical this year...
@disqusrubbish5467 no hawks fan thinks Geno is a superbowl quarterback. Theres last two years are rebuilding years, we're just happy to make the playoffs
Perna, I feel for ya. This is where the bills were 18 years ago. If you're lucky, like the bills, all it will take is for your owner to die, your entire front office to turn over, and to have a lucky draft where everyone says you picked the wrong Josh to turn everything around. Good luck buddy!
Haven’t watched Brandon in a while. Insane to see the numbers he’s doing now. This is the first channel that I subscribed too early, and got to see blow up. Good for you Perna
Dont worry perna, now you understand us seahawks fan, and while you wont get the haul we got when offloading him, you can laugh with us at the next team that selects him.
I think if the Broncos actually cared about Russ and decided to build around him he would have reworked his deal. But I think the plan all along was to tank and blame it on Russ so they could try and get out of the contract and draft a QB but the team did everything they could to win despite the coaches and upper management. So I feel like the Broncos are reaping what they sowed.
What would the advantage to losing with him be? Why would the Broncos trade 7 picks/players and pay him a quarter billion just to sabotage him and them for years...
Who knows if this actually happens, but if Wilson goes to another team and leads them to the playoffs while the Broncos have another losing season, people will be wondering why Sean Payton failed. And I still have no idea why Payton took this job when it seems apparent he had such disdain for Russell from the outset.
Because he knew he was almost certainly going to oust Wilson at the end of the season and have his pick in the draft. It was a win win for Peyton, right up to when the Broncos won enough games to make their draft pick suck.😂
Have you considered that maybe the problem is expecting your quarterback to carry your team to relevance rather than, oh, I don't know.... building a talented team? You know football is a team sport right? Just a thought....
QB purgatory is the most miserable feeling a football fan can go through. You know your team has no chance of winning a championship before the season even starts. Even having a decent game manager QB like Cousins feels great compared to having a different QB every other year that never amounts to anything. I’m an Eagles fan and still remember QB purgatory. It was years of guys like Mark Sanchez & Sam Bradford, and regular season Nick Foles. There were some rough times between Cunningham & Mcnabb too. When Wentz looked like a hit, it was a wonderful feeling to feel like we had a guy for a few years, and it culminated in a Super Bowl but then he immediately fell off a cliff and sent us back to feeling like purgatory was incoming again. Hurts feels capable but it’s hard for me to have faith in a young QB again after the highs and lows with Wentz lol I know how quick it can change and fall apart. Having a franchise QB for a decade or more is absolutely magical and so rare and difficult to find. You were right to shit on Packers fans cause they have no idea what it feels like lol but the jury’s still out on Love so maybe they’ll wind up in purgatory too. The Broncos feel like a hopeless situation and idk how the hell they get out of it. It feels like next year they’ll get a cheap veteran and suffer through another middling year.
If the Broncos wanted to keep Russel but needed some help in order to put a decent team together that would be one thing, but why would Wilson help the Broncos by reworking his contract, when they are trying to get rid of him? Derek Carr willing to do so I guess is because he is staying in New Orleans so that makes more sense
I feel like Russ still has game in him. He’s not a bad QB. He has had 2 head coaches in 2 years, so I feel like if he’s in the Payton system for one more season, he will improve.
Denver as a franchise has never shown that it can draft/develop young qb talent and that’s their biggest problem. Hoping the free agents are going to save them and continue to ride that wave. We need to find a staff that can develop not just one but multiple qbs over years so we do not have to scramble to get a barely serviceable, mid qb, that won’t get past the first round every 3 years
I think u gotta give payton atleast a couple years.... u bring him in with a qb with a crazy big contract that wasnt of his choice and not much to work with.
@DaPoetRapp and I think weather u think russ is good or bad we can all agree that so far he hasn't played up to his contract.... it was absolutely idiotic to sign a qb a 5 year extension without his ever even playing 1 game for the francise... that part u can't blame on payton.. that put them in a real bad position.
As a Colts fan, I can’t complain, but it’s been tough recently. We had the GLORIOUS Manning years , and then immediately got Andrew Luck. It was like Favre and then Rodgers… until Luck retired right before the start of the season. We’ve been in QB purgatory since, but we have only drafted one. Hopefully, Richardson takes us off that awful carousel for a decade or more. Fingers crossed.
As a Lions fan I felt this way under Stafford... A decent QB with a lot of garbage stats that made him look better than he was with a built-in excuse of playing for the Lions and more so after the 2017 season. when I felt trading him to Denver or the Jags at the time was the better option then keeping him under Patricia. Stafford was the "best" QB since Bobby Layne so I don't want to hear a Elway, Manning three time SB winning fan whine about being in QB purgatory lol.
Perna, Could you do this video for my NY Jets? It's a great compilation of history, with humor :-). Jets are in purgatory and ARod is not the solution.
The sad part about this is that Drew Lock could of been The "Guy" and our franchise QB,I mean Lock has a great arm,athletic skill and seemed to have leadership skills and a pretty good rapport with his teammates I mean he had his issues and was rough around the edges in some regards but with proper coaching and qb development there is no reason he shouldnt be in the top echelon of nfl qb's making the Broncos a viable contender every year but I think the thing many people fail to realize with this organization is that The Broncos dont know how to develop a QB I mean who was the last QB The Broncos developed in house John Fucking Elway.Every QB we have had any success with since Elway has been a free agent aquisition or retread Gus Frerotte in 2000 Jake Plummer from 2003-2006 and Peyton Manning from 2012 to 2015 I mean Tebow and Jay Cutler had some success here but Tebow was never the answer longterm and Cutler was pretty much run out of town by Josh McDaniel and would go on to be at best very mid with Chicago for the remainder of his career but I truly believe Lock for his faults could of been the dude but unfortunately we fucked up developing him,also being coached by Pat Shurmur and playing in the dreadful insipid Pat Shurmur offense probably did him no favors either!!!
The dumbest thing any team has done in the last 5 years is GUARANTEE MONEY IN THE TENS OF MILLIONS BEFORE A PLAYER EVEN PLAYS A SNAP. Broncos. Watson. Just. Stop it. Stop.
As a Raiders fan, Stidham played better than Carr at times. He’s a legit starter and he’s better than anything the Raiders have right now. I’m 100% sure if you started Stidham at the beginning of the year you’d be in the playoffs.
Seahawks fan here, and this video is exactly why I didn't want the Hawks to bring Geno back this season. We saw his peak in '22, he's an above average Wild Card QB at best. Cool. There's nothing worse than being stuck in the middle. I would absolutely rather have sucked this season than started Geno and been 8-8 going into week 18 with an outside shot at the Wild Card. They would still have the 2nd rounder they traded for Big Cat Williams, young guys would be developing and they would be better positioned in thr draft or FA to get their guy for the next era.
Here's my take. Elway was the problem. How or why? Elway sabotaged the team for two reasons. One he wanted to make sure his records with the team last. Second he was pissed not getting part ownership.
Life long Raider fan here. I had to do a triple take when you said "We'll see how he plays against a very good Raiders defense" I thought it was a classic Perna joke for a second.
If Joe Flacco was bad, and now looks like a god on Cleveland, and all these QBs who did well until they entered Denver ...the team may be the issue, not the QBs.
Don't say that, idiotic fans like Perna will tell you Broncos are just QB away from SB. It doesn't matter Broncos have only 1 good WR, no TEs, no RBs and running game, no OL, below avg. Special teams, below avg. defense and old coach who can't coach anymore and who is just avg. at best. But let blame the QB.
I firmly believe that on Super Bowl 50, the Broncos made a deal with the devil. They'd be allowed to win that game and let Peyton Manning go out on top, but in return they have to suck for 50 years.
Jets fan here….know all about that
I’ve been saying that for the last five years…it’s been so damn rough. And it’s not ending anytime soon
@@Dutchovenderlindeworth it. The manning era in Denver was special. I’ll never forget going to the parade and Celebrating with the city
Ah yes...blame invisible/imaginary entities rather than the obvious facts and reasons. 👏
@@imanoldurango8213 My mom says the same thing but during the elway era is when she went and had fun
The Colts really fucked us by not protecting Andrew Luck. He was supposed to be the one to bring Balance back to Denver.
as a colts fan, this is hilarious. RIP Luck's spleen
Yeah we should have traded for Luck and won at least 1 super bowl with him.
Don’t worry u can get AR in 10 years
😢 should've been the goat
Ah yes, the classic seattle method
I think the important thing to remember is this: If you keep cycling through QBs and they keep failing, it probably isn't the QBs' fault.
Exactly!!
Yep. I am from the cheese loving tundra. We have a great Offensive line. When we didn't and our running game was garbage Aaron Rodgers suddenly didn't look so amazing. Same guy- amazing arm, make all the reads, win the mental aspect, protect the ball, was always throwing the ball away and spending too much time on his back.
The broncos are reaching browns levels of incompetence
@@akboyz1 Throwing the ball away was better than throwing interceptions.
@@akboyz1 What quarterback does look amazing with a garbage O-line??
As a browns fan the way you tell you’re in true purgatory is when russ goes to another team and goes to the playoffs
I mean Joe flacco did.... Hell is hot
That would be hilarious. Especially of it was so where like the chargers.
Atleast for Cleveland fans Watson is good and wins games when he plays. Wilson was horrible in Denver.
@@mikepalmer1971no it wouldn't be the chargers, it would be the raiders. Chargers are going to get rid of Herbert
Don't you put that evil on us.
The absolute funniest part of this, it's entirely a cage of Bronco's upper management making.
The lack of upper management as well, gotta remember they’d been without an actual owner for close to a decade before Walmart bought them. Their problems started way before the Russ trade.
It was hilarious that Broncos fans talked about Russell Wilson taking a pay cut to help the team. As a Seahawks fan.
@@EvoroPictures Oh I totally agree.
@@Jordan-Ramses It's hilarious broncos fans seem to think Russell Wilson is the main problem as a cowboys, Packers, Steelers fan
@@98nh3609goddam u a fan of 3 the most historic franchises
Russel looks so broken in those interviews. It's insane.
Our GM cooked us but no one likes bring it up.
Giving Russ a 5 year contract before he’s stepped onto the field is just crazy. 😢
and no one brings up the fact that our walmart overlord owners possibly pressured George Paton into giving Russ that contract immediately after they bought the team, which is a hilarious amalgamation of what the Broncos team philosophy has been for the past 7 years: make half-wit short-sighted hasty decisions out of desperation without any consideration for the future in the hopes for immediate success and then having it immediately blow up in their face
The Vikings paid Cousins 40million and he was a proven loser. At least Rus did something with the Seahawks. Hell the Vikings pry looking to pay Rus 200mil now.
Even crazier not to keep him and build around him. We gave this no chance to breathe and grow with a lousy Hackett year and an ulterior motive SP year. SMH.
On a brighter note (I think), at least it wasn’t all fully guaranteed like a certain quarterback in Cleveland.
If I remember correctly, Russ only waived his no trade clause for them because they agreed they would extend him if he came
Not even a Broncos fan but I love Brandon's meltdowns. Takes my mind off my Saints
Takes my mind and pain away from the chargers
@@4evrredsox1 And mine from Commanders.
Takes my mind and pain away from the Lions.
(yes, I know they won their division this year... but they can't punch me in the gut every time they get home from work for 30 straight years and then expect forgiveness because they bring flowers one day.)
Who dat !
I lived in south Florida for the entirety of the post-Marino Dolphins purgatory of the 2000s. It's completely agonizing to watch a perennial top 10 defense with Hall of Famers (Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor in this case) go 7-9/8-8 EVERY. FREAKING. YEAR. because the QB play is terrible and the team does nothing but sign secondary FA options to address the issue
He may not be considered elite, but man am I so thankful for tua after all of our awful quarterbacks over the past 20 years
I am technically a "Hater" because I have never thought Russ was all that good, but I acknowledge the absolute fact that Russ is good enough to be a starter in the NFL and should get a starting job somewhere in the league.
The only reason Perna thinks we have QB purgatory is because his daddy Sean Payton doesn’t like Russ and is creating the ongoing purgatory
I think he's good when he can play a type of way. He needs to scramble to be good.
Problem is, he's not on 'good enough' money, he's on 'franchise messiah' money in a city that’s seen John Elway and Peyton Manning, and whose new head coach once had Drew Brees. The contract set the bar.
He's just not worth a big contract.
@@swirvinbirds1971 the broncos literally paid the man after he played a season with injuries. It’s the GMs fault but nobody wants to talk about that
I love that they extended his contract before watching him play. That was a galaxy brain quantum move!
I envision Famous Jameis Winston being the Donkeys QB next year.
I would assume it was talked about before the trade and he probably required them to do it.
He wouldn't have agreed to the trade without that guarantee. That's a big reason why the Hawks had a hard time shopping him and him rejecting trades in the past.
@@BoleDaPole so you tell him no. They bartered out of a place of weakness and paid for it. Let another team extend him before watching him play a snap for them like a big dumb idiot. Don't let it be you.
As a Raiders fan, Perna I feel your pain. Not QB specific, but spending stupid money on a skills player/coach only to last two years, get forced out, and still owe them a dump truck of money.
Being a raiders fan has always been a rollercoaster man.
Broncos' fans feel your pain also. We had McDaniels who traded away Jay Cutler before getting fired.
As probably the only person in the world who wants BOTH the Broncos and Raiders to do well how do you think I feel :(
I chose the Raiders as my team as a kid in the 80s only for a combination of John Elway and the Raiders moving back to Oakland {I'm English.....We hate teams moving} to turn me into a Broncos fan.
Raiders draft Bo nix and win a Superbowl in 3 years
@@franohmsford7548 That's me with the Cards. I was born in AZ in 1979 the Cards got here in 1988. Started as A Raiders fan in like 1984. Since there wasn't a home team when I became a fan I have my team, AFC, and my home State team, NFC.
I cant believe its week 18 already. I hope the playoffs is exciting im gunna miss football like hell during the offseason.
As a broncos fan, I will miss nothing 🥲
Man fr
@@MrDionstarrr a lot to look forward to though! It took my lions 100 years to rebuild. Thick and thin brotha !
@@sirkealoha9085 only 92 more years to go 🪦
It's shaping up to be the best, most insane playoffs that we've had in some time. Anyone can beat anyone.
As a Seahawks fan who was insulted repeatedly following the Wilson move to Denver, I’m absolutely loving this! As a University of Washington alum, I’m really hoping Denver doesn’t get Penix as he deserves WAY better than to be a Bronco. Another great video as always….THANKS!
As a fellow Seahawks fan, I was loving this... but I've been watching this dead horse get beat so long, I can't even remember why I was mad. Perna talked a bunch of shit the offseason before last, but I think his debt got paid after that Christmas, with Pat Star calling the Broncos loss to the LA Microwave Mayfields.
I think Russ would have been willing to play ball and help the Broncos with the contract situation... if they hadn't tried to force him to forgo the injury clause or be benched. I don't know how anyone in the front office thought that was a good idea.
It’s funny Sean Payton says the door still open for Russell Wilson, as if they have a choice. Whether he’s on the team or off the team he gets paid. I love it.
Perna, I feel for you man. As a niner fan, I’m glad we found Purdy but man we got lucky
Purdy is good, but he doesn't need to be. A frog with end stage AIDs could QB that offense effectively
Purdy is an amazing QB for you guys✌️
as a seahawks fan I feel dead inside
Purdy is playing above his skill level, but is a decent qb just hyped up by media and propped up by McCaffrey and a bomb defense
If the Niners win a championship then that pick will be the luckiest moment in NFL history after Tom Brady being selected at 199
The last time I was this early, 9 year olds could wear facepaint to a game without Deadspin slandering them.
WSU QB Cam Ward just declared for the draft as well. I don't think they should reach and take him in the 1st, but if he's available in the 2nd day of the draft, he's definitely a great development prospect
We need penix
Yeah he could be the day 2 QB that ends up best in Class like Dak.
Teams ALWAYS say how the have to adapt and evolve but then they never really do until theyre forced to by firing someone. Its actually a beautiful window into the human condition and human behavior. You want things to change you need to change the way you think first.
Russ lookin more shell shocked than a WW2 vet during Saving Private Ryan
(*checks browns history in the last 25 years*)
Aw, that’s cute, Broncos
I have no idea what it is, because I never watch UA-cam videos where people consistently complain but yours is so entertaining. I am so sorry for the pain that you've had to endure for 8 years.
You know what comes during a prolonged QB drought? A revolving door at head coach. I'm a Bills fan, I've experienced it.
Same here, been through a lot over the last 45 years
It’s so baffling they would try to force a pay cut on Russ mid season. He just beat the former champs, the season is still wide open and the Broncs were on a heater. It’s like Denver was trying to purposefully sabotage their season.
That's because it's all spin from team 3
Its to save money. And because Russ is not the deal. Making the playoffs one a one and done wild card is things Charger fans are stoked about... Not Broncos.
@@arthurcharlie2873you ever hear the phrase “walk before you run?” thats the problem with the broncos organization and some of its fanbase, cuz you mfs just want results now and act surprised when this team only takes half-measures and end up being a complete dumpster fire. our team has been one of the worst in the league for almost a decade and saying this dumb bs like this team is still a contender when we’ve been a bottom 10 team multiple times is just a reflection on how delusional and shortsighted this team is as a whole
@@arthurcharlie2873 yeah, not the Broncos. Broncos would rather stay out of the playoffs altogether.
@@arthurcharlie2873chargers fans are not stoked about that get real. Your shitty broncos are just as bad as us now and you have to accept that
I just think it's funny that Sean Payton said he could fix Russ and that it would work and one year in he's already giving up
It’s coach speak, you can’t come into a job and say you don’t believe in your QB1, I’m willing to bet Payton wanted to move on as soon as he got here but you have to play the media game
@@TyaColoexactly, some people just don’t know football and can’t differentiate
He is still busy placing bounties on players.
@@mikepalmer1971he musta forgot to place any bounties before the dolphins game
@@thomasspengler9044 Lol well said. Lmao
As a Chiefs fan, I think you guys should keep Elway as your QB scout forever. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
As a Seattle fan I’m laughing, but Russ did help me find your show!
Right! 😂 Go Hawks! Broncos front office obviously is the issue in Denver.
Same here 😂...GO HAWKS!!!
I’m pretty sure the Broncos only wanted to rework Russell’s contract to trade him, I highly doubt that if he agreed to rework it, they were planning on keeping him they just want to make the trade more appealing. If I knew that I’d say hell no too.
I find all this hilarious. They made a mistake and blame Wilson for it. Lol. He was obviously the smartest in the room when they made that deal.
@@mikepalmer1971 Yeah, everybody who said Seattle got the best of the trade is mistaken. Russ got the best of the trade.
Are the broncos not within their rights to ensure that he doesn't get hurt and cost them another $80+ m?
@@wgriffin3460 They're totally within their right to whatever they want. but Wilson was also within his right to refuse adjusting his contract.
Doesn't he have a no-trade clause? He did in Seattle.
I mean...about the Bears...its sadly so true...painfully true
The bigger question for me is: how does George Paton still have a job?
General Patton?
he will be gone with wilson
Russ proved this year he can be a fairly solid backup so as long as he takes vet min deals, there will always be teams that want him
That’s so fucked up… bro. Damn
his numbers are actually pretty good this year 26-8 - 98.0
Only reason he would get vet min is just to fuck over the broncos.
@@stalebr.754that would actually be hilarious. Getting paid top level money by his old team so he takes the minimum to help another team have cap space
I think rus is washed but let's be real he's still one of the best 32 qbs, there are 3 or 4 teams that would take him.
The Peyton experiment got the Bronco's franchise hooked on that sweet, sweet quick fix. Results have been as expected
They want him to not take the money they promised to pay him. When he will not they punish him. Maybe do not sign the deal.
I keep telling ya, the only way to break the curse is they need a QB with a forehead bigger than Peyton Manning's, so they better hope that Manning down in Texas grows a giant Frankenstein head when he declares for the draft eventually.
Or maybe a combo of Manning's forehead and Elway's teeth.
@@michaelreich4827 Manning's forehead, Elway's teeth. Tim Tebow's faith, Russell Wilson's corniness, and whatever Joe Flacco's couch is made of cause something seeped into him that made him the best Browns QB ever.
@@Tadicuslegion78 don't forget Siemens Skittles dispenser jacket for good luck!
Oh man... the Johnny Football Experiment 😮😂. I had almost forgotten.
In fairness to anti-Future, there’s a difference between being willing to renegotiate your contract with a team that you’re gonna be apart of for years to come and renegotiating your contract with a team that’s undoubtedly giving you the boot as soon as possible.
The Browns went through the 30+ circles of QB hell to have Baker guide us to qb purgatory where we found our love Joe Flacco to hopefully ascend to Paradise… god I love the divine comedy
Baker was the end of the purgatory, browns shit ownership started it again
as a vikings fan if you get Kirk Cousins you guys will not be disappointed. he was playing like crazy before his torn achilles. we truly are cursed 💔
He's coming back
There's no way in hell we can afford to pay Cousins when we're already paying Wilson right?
@@arachnofiend2859 no chance.
Lions had a top QB and couldn’t do anything with him. We could not get one playoff or division championship with him.
The first year he leaves and wins a SB.
If the Broncos want a perpetual loser with no super bowl wins. Only a couple playoff wins and primetime wins combined. Then yeah, they will not be disappointed.
Are you dumb on purpose?
If you play backwards Russ saying "okay let's ride now" you can almost hear him saying "I'm a rich man."
The SB interception derailed Wilson's career, cost Seahawks a dynasty, a football team needs to be united to go well and unless Wilson changes his ways at the next location it'll just be more of the same, making your team mates go through your management to contact you as the starting QB shows why he is on the oust.
His legs slowing down imo.
Stop believing everything that you hear. Most of Wilson's teammates had his direct number. Russ don't give out his number to people who he don't mess with. Lynch was good friends with players on the defense who didn't like Russ. You have no ideal about that situation. Lockett, Dissly, DK, Cliff Avril, Mike Bennett and several others who he associated with outside of football all have his number. He's not giving out his number to people who he didn't trust. There's nothing wrong with that.
Btw, that SB interception happened because the defense blew a 10 point lead with 6 minutes in the game. They gave up 2 td's in like 4 minutes to Brady. The defense put the offense in that situation. People don't want to talk about that part. If the defense could have held Brady to a fg on that last td drive, a fg would have won the game. That didn't ruin Russ career. It was only his 3rd year in the league. He went on to win a lot of games. The Seahawks were in the playoffs 8 out of 10 seasons that Russ was their. They only had 1 losing season. That was in 2021 when he was injured.
Never happened.
That's why you sign QBs to a prove it deal! Its funny how every team that signs a FA QB that isnt TB12 or Manning gets screwed in the contract
What's really hilarious is that Denver had Joe Flacco at one point in time... 🤷♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remember a few months ago when Perna had the broncos at number 1 in his power rankings.
We let him have it, man. And to be fair, power rankings are about who's currently good and not who was good, and the Broncos were on like a 4-5 game winning streak at the time.
Don't forget, they were #1 and #2 and #3 simultaneously at some time.
Wilson is as good as the team: bad team=bad QB (2022), mediocre team=mediocre QB (2023), great team=great QB (2014-15). Denver has been fortunate to have 2 truly great QBs who could elevate the team and win games. But, Elway needed TD and Manning needed an elite defense to win a SB. So, it's still a team sport, which makes trading away all that draft capital for Wilson, and possibly Payton, a really poor decision. They should have kept Siemian or Lock and built a championship team. May not have won a SB but would have been a whole lot better than they have been.
BINGO.
I really did not get the Russ Wilson trade. I'd even bet 4 out of 5 of us dumbasses in this comment section would not offer that trade let alone sign an extended contract with boatloads of guarantees before Russ made a snap in Broncos uniform. As bad as Drew Locke was, the Broncos would have fared much better sucking with Locke for one more year then had the resulting premium draft picks that were traded away for Russ plus the sizeable salary cap to bring in proven young talent
Yep. Added Manning to a team that won a playoff game with Tebow = great team. Trading a bunch of value on a bad team for Wilson = bad team.
I love how you included the covid QB-less game in your Broncos purgatory graphic lol
Not a Broncos fan.. at all.. but I will say I lo-lo-lo-love what you do and how entertaining you make failure look for the Broncos, but thats important because youre giving fans something to look forward to. Good yob! Keep up the great work, bud!
Dude I remember vividly when Russ came to Denver... This is pretty weird knowing that my life has gotten way way worse since then
I need a sound clip of that "PITTSBURGH STEELERS" yell at the beginning.
DiNucci will save us
Godspeed Bronco's Country.
"Let's Slide!"
do you know why the Broncos make you "football atupid" Brandon Perna ? It's because you are a true and loyal fan - LOVE IS BLIND - and that is NOT a bad thing. Teams need more fans like you - RIDE or DIE ? It only feels like that now. Hang in there, it WILL GET BETTER - remember how THIS feels because it will only make you appreciate the times when you start winning again. On the bright side, we ALL LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL RIDE ON - GO BRANDON PERNA !!!!
I just got madden recently and in a simulation where i took control of the commanders I also started kinda focusing on how the broncos were doing in the simulation i was doing, the broncos ended up staying in purgatory for a couple more years but then they ended up tanking for archie manning and got him. I absolutely lost my shit seeing him end up there. it was so poetic
Crazy how the Packers and Broncos could both go 9-8 and for GB it's a massive win and huge improvement over their 8-9 2022 vs Denver being in hell after going 5-12 in '22
It's because you see future in your team and QB. We don't.
Yeah, the Seattle fans with their "good riddance he was terrible - Geno will lead us to the promised land talk", and the two teams are basically identical this year...
@disqusrubbish5467 no hawks fan thinks Geno is a superbowl quarterback. Theres last two years are rebuilding years, we're just happy to make the playoffs
Perna, I feel for ya. This is where the bills were 18 years ago. If you're lucky, like the bills, all it will take is for your owner to die, your entire front office to turn over, and to have a lucky draft where everyone says you picked the wrong Josh to turn everything around. Good luck buddy!
I love it when you can tell he’s not joking. It’s the madness in his eyes. Like a broken Daedric prince…
Haven’t watched Brandon in a while. Insane to see the numbers he’s doing now. This is the first channel that I subscribed too early, and got to see blow up. Good for you Perna
Dont worry perna, now you understand us seahawks fan, and while you wont get the haul we got when offloading him, you can laugh with us at the next team that selects him.
I don’t understand why they would give a veteran more than a 2 year contract anyway.Who in their right mind would give more!!
I feel bad for Russ, he's not even that bad
He’s not that bad but he’s also not that good
He’s not, but he’s isn’t playing even close to what his contract suggests.
"That bad" a 12th year starter had identical stats to a 4th year backup against the chargers.....
@@korymulanax3362 I'd still want him over Zach Wilson
he is not that bad is not a good compliment for a player who will be getting paid top 10 money 😂
The beautiful thing about the painting The Scream is that it uses the color scheme of the Denver Broncos. Foreshadowing maybe?
I think if the Broncos actually cared about Russ and decided to build around him he would have reworked his deal. But I think the plan all along was to tank and blame it on Russ so they could try and get out of the contract and draft a QB but the team did everything they could to win despite the coaches and upper management. So I feel like the Broncos are reaping what they sowed.
What would the advantage to losing with him be? Why would the Broncos trade 7 picks/players and pay him a quarter billion just to sabotage him and them for years...
Watch Larry Fitzgerald list every QB that ever threw him a TD pass. That's QB hell.
Who knows if this actually happens, but if Wilson goes to another team and leads them to the playoffs while the Broncos have another losing season, people will be wondering why Sean Payton failed. And I still have no idea why Payton took this job when it seems apparent he had such disdain for Russell from the outset.
Because he knew he was almost certainly going to oust Wilson at the end of the season and have his pick in the draft.
It was a win win for Peyton, right up to when the Broncos won enough games to make their draft pick suck.😂
I tried to cut Russ in Madden, and the game laughed at me and wouldn’t let me do it
Perna: How did the Broncos get out of QB purgatory?
Reality: You never left.
Can't wait for the "new new new new new new new new NEW WORST QB situation EVER" series to take off.
Have you considered that maybe the problem is expecting your quarterback to carry your team to relevance rather than, oh, I don't know.... building a talented team? You know football is a team sport right? Just a thought....
QB purgatory is the most miserable feeling a football fan can go through. You know your team has no chance of winning a championship before the season even starts. Even having a decent game manager QB like Cousins feels great compared to having a different QB every other year that never amounts to anything. I’m an Eagles fan and still remember QB purgatory. It was years of guys like Mark Sanchez & Sam Bradford, and regular season Nick Foles. There were some rough times between Cunningham & Mcnabb too. When Wentz looked like a hit, it was a wonderful feeling to feel like we had a guy for a few years, and it culminated in a Super Bowl but then he immediately fell off a cliff and sent us back to feeling like purgatory was incoming again. Hurts feels capable but it’s hard for me to have faith in a young QB again after the highs and lows with Wentz lol I know how quick it can change and fall apart. Having a franchise QB for a decade or more is absolutely magical and so rare and difficult to find. You were right to shit on Packers fans cause they have no idea what it feels like lol but the jury’s still out on Love so maybe they’ll wind up in purgatory too. The Broncos feel like a hopeless situation and idk how the hell they get out of it. It feels like next year they’ll get a cheap veteran and suffer through another middling year.
If the Broncos wanted to keep Russel but needed some help in order to put a decent team together that would be one thing, but why would Wilson help the Broncos by reworking his contract, when they are trying to get rid of him? Derek Carr willing to do so I guess is because he is staying in New Orleans so that makes more sense
Right? Why the hell would Russ gift millions of dollars?
$50 million to not play QB... "Let's ride!"
I feel like Russ still has game in him. He’s not a bad QB. He has had 2 head coaches in 2 years, so I feel like if he’s in the Payton system for one more season, he will improve.
no
He is not a bad QB. But he is not good enough for the tons of money he is costing the Broncos. So it still sucks.
Denver as a franchise has never shown that it can draft/develop young qb talent and that’s their biggest problem. Hoping the free agents are going to save them and continue to ride that wave. We need to find a staff that can develop not just one but multiple qbs over years so we do not have to scramble to get a barely serviceable, mid qb, that won’t get past the first round every 3 years
Actually kind of makes you wonder if they're going to turn around and do the same thing to Sean Payton next year if whoever he picks doesn't work?
I think u gotta give payton atleast a couple years.... u bring him in with a qb with a crazy big contract that wasnt of his choice and not much to work with.
@@viralfocus9281 he took the job. Also if he fails with his guy next season that is a couple years
They are the new browns lol.
@DaPoetRapp he might not even get his guy next year lol he came with literally no cap room.. & even if the release russ they take a huge dead cap hit.
@DaPoetRapp and I think weather u think russ is good or bad we can all agree that so far he hasn't played up to his contract.... it was absolutely idiotic to sign a qb a 5 year extension without his ever even playing 1 game for the francise... that part u can't blame on payton.. that put them in a real bad position.
As a Colts fan, I can’t complain, but it’s been tough recently. We had the GLORIOUS Manning years , and then immediately got Andrew Luck. It was like Favre and then Rodgers… until Luck retired right before the start of the season. We’ve been in QB purgatory since, but we have only drafted one. Hopefully, Richardson takes us off that awful carousel for a decade or more. Fingers crossed.
We drafted Eason too… albeit much later than AR
Russ is an A+ backup quarterback on a franchise QB salary
As a Jets fan, it's called being cursed. No matter how much a decision makes sense on the surface or on deeper dive, it can not and will not work out.
I'm not miserable. My team has Fields, is about to get Marvin Harrison Jr.
The Bears are on the rise!
You mean the Bears are gonna trade Fields to my Seahawks after they pick Caleb at #1. 😛
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 No that will not happen.
Yea all it took was another team giving you everything they had.
@@iandevine3063 Poles knew Tepper was a fool.
@@iandevine3063So a competent front office exploiting a bad one.
See no down side here
I couldn't help but feel the pain leaping from the screen during the opening.
Meh, could be worse. (cough cough Panthers)
sad 😞
Bears fan checking in. All I've known is quarterback purgatory. Welcome to the party.
As a Lions fan I felt this way under Stafford... A decent QB with a lot of garbage stats that made him look better than he was with a built-in excuse of playing for the Lions and more so after the 2017 season. when I felt trading him to Denver or the Jags at the time was the better option then keeping him under Patricia. Stafford was the "best" QB since Bobby Layne so I don't want to hear a Elway, Manning three time SB winning fan whine about being in QB purgatory lol.
Perna, Could you do this video for my NY Jets? It's a great compilation of history, with humor :-). Jets are in purgatory and ARod is not the solution.
The sad part about this is that Drew Lock could of been The "Guy" and our franchise QB,I mean Lock has a great arm,athletic skill and seemed to have leadership skills and a pretty good rapport with his teammates I mean he had his issues and was rough around the edges in some regards but with proper coaching and qb development there is no reason he shouldnt be in the top echelon of nfl qb's making the Broncos a viable contender every year but I think the thing many people fail to realize with this organization is that The Broncos dont know how to develop a QB I mean who was the last QB The Broncos developed in house John Fucking Elway.Every QB we have had any success with since Elway has been a free agent aquisition or retread Gus Frerotte in 2000 Jake Plummer from 2003-2006 and Peyton Manning from 2012 to 2015 I mean Tebow and Jay Cutler had some success here but Tebow was never the answer longterm and Cutler was pretty much run out of town by Josh McDaniel and would go on to be at best very mid with Chicago for the remainder of his career but I truly believe Lock for his faults could of been the dude but unfortunately we fucked up developing him,also being coached by Pat Shurmur and playing in the dreadful insipid Pat Shurmur offense probably did him no favors either!!!
Overall, Cutler may have been mid with Chicago, but he did get them to the NFC Championship once.
Yup wish we would have developed Buzz Lightyear and invested in o line.
Lock is a free agent. You guys could have him back for 5 or 6 million.
While his skillset is similar to Wilson, Baker has a big upside in his ability to command an offense/playbook and master it fairly quickly.
The Broncos need more than a QB. Russel is spinning around and going down all day. No QB can spin forever without going dizzy!
The oline isn't the problem. the oline is ranked 7th this year
The O-line was blamed in Seattle too. Russ is the common denominator.
He’s missing open read that’s on him only. Watch the games
Brandon... that hoodie es fire! Great video sorry for your pain!
Broncos in a better place than panthers
That’s not saying much because every team is in a better position than the Panthers.
@@thekingbarrelmaker7642 even the broncos in a better position
That's one of the lowest bars I've ever seen.
@@thekingbarrelmaker7642man at least the panthers have a QB that still has potential
@@imanoldurango8213 but who would want to coach there after what they’ve done this season?
The dumbest thing any team has done in the last 5 years is GUARANTEE MONEY IN THE TENS OF MILLIONS BEFORE A PLAYER EVEN PLAYS A SNAP.
Broncos.
Watson.
Just. Stop it. Stop.
As a Raiders fan, Stidham played better than Carr at times. He’s a legit starter and he’s better than anything the Raiders have right now. I’m 100% sure if you started Stidham at the beginning of the year you’d be in the playoffs.
You got HIM after HIS Prime. Not all QB's go decade after decade. And it does mean that star QB's Do Fail with other teams.
I'm a Chiefs fan and even I'm starting to feel a *little* bad for the Broncos.
Seahawks fan here, and this video is exactly why I didn't want the Hawks to bring Geno back this season. We saw his peak in '22, he's an above average Wild Card QB at best. Cool. There's nothing worse than being stuck in the middle. I would absolutely rather have sucked this season than started Geno and been 8-8 going into week 18 with an outside shot at the Wild Card. They would still have the 2nd rounder they traded for Big Cat Williams, young guys would be developing and they would be better positioned in thr draft or FA to get their guy for the next era.
Browns fan here...Pittsburgh is way too tough of a city for Russ lol...and thank heavens for that! Russ to Pittsburgh would be terrifying 😅
What does this even mean?
terrifying for steelers fans
Here's my take. Elway was the problem. How or why? Elway sabotaged the team for two reasons. One he wanted to make sure his records with the team last. Second he was pissed not getting part ownership.
Life long Raider fan here. I had to do a triple take when you said "We'll see how he plays against a very good Raiders defense" I thought it was a classic Perna joke for a second.
If Joe Flacco was bad, and now looks like a god on Cleveland, and all these QBs who did well until they entered Denver
...the team may be the issue, not the QBs.
Don't say that, idiotic fans like Perna will tell you Broncos are just QB away from SB. It doesn't matter Broncos have only 1 good WR, no TEs, no RBs and running game, no OL, below avg. Special teams, below avg. defense and old coach who can't coach anymore and who is just avg. at best. But let blame the QB.
The more money your owner has, the worse your team manages their salary cap. Facts.
Russ coming back to the Seahawks would be one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.
They only gave him 2 years, one of those was solid, and the other was Nat Hackett.
Time to trade for Drew Lock