I definitely hear ya on that one. I try and be very blunt about price and timeline with every job like this. It helps, but not always. I give everyone a chance though. If a customer is exceptionally fussy and complains about price I won't work for them again.
I worked as a freelance firmware developer once, and asked for 30$/h a customer was like, bro how can that cost so much you just have to write the software drivers for the sensor, how hard can that be, while meanwhile being unable to do it themselves. I was sick of this stupid comments and started to work for an automotive company 😂
I'm enjoying your vids John. Your authenticity is refreshing. I'm "That guy" in my town working out of my small home garage after my day job hours and weekends. Keep the content coming.
There is definitely a need for this kind of work and with a decent semi-cnc machine like a Prototrak and a good lathe working out of a shop you’re not paying rent on like a home garage you can make a good go of it. I’d was thinking about adding a tap burner to my shop before I got recruited to run a company shop. There’s a lot of call for that kind of work
I enjoy the mix of small jobs & production work in my shop. Jobs like those are quite relaxing as there is nothing too difficult for a couple of hours & $800 is a very good margin. I need to look at my charges, my rate would have been about $175.😥
There is a good reason others hate this kind of work. It's pretty much impossible to make money doing this. I get that you charge by the hour, but you are probably undercharging. 1 hour minimum at $100/hr is probably not enough and do they really care to pay $30 per drill to have a flat milled on? Tell them to buy a belt sander and just grind on a flat themselves in 2 minutes.
You're right about these jobs ?? Most shops don't want to get involved in these simple jobs ?? Usually because they have plenty of better jobs to work on and basically couldn't be bothered with them. I must admit I am at that point where I would prefer to stay away from jobs like this for pretty much the same reasons. But, I still get these sorts of jobs in from my previous customers that seem to come back again. I was that guy who got stuck with these smaller jobs when I was taking on outside work. Thankfully over time I was able to find good customers that know what my labour is worth and I don't bother looking for these smaller jobs that don't add up $$$ wise ?? As much as these jobs might be simple to do ?? Most of the time you only get paid for about half of the time you spent on them ???
Yeah that's fair to say, but it's all about being up front with the customer. I like to use a "it won't be less than" phrase. If they don't kind paying, the work gets done!
Hey, I am an aspiring manufacturer also in southern Ontario, and I was wondering how much did it cost you to open a shop and what is your story, how old were you when you started?
@@gleaseman as apprentices we were taught this, it is so drill chucks can grip straight shanks. This is why they get damaged. With morse tapers it is better to damage the tool than the ground socket.
But I have had drills that polish the drill check jaws when it slips. So I'm not sure that is true. HSS drills have damaged chucks, and I have used them for pins because they snap rather than bending. That suggest to me hardening.
@@chrisoakey9841 Spot drills, centre drills some counterbores & some stub drills are hardened throughout. With the global marketplace it is possible that some import drills are through hardened. Traditionally jobber drills and reamers were butt welded or friction welded to keep the shank soft so a chuck could bite, as you have discovered when they aren't. I would have a look online or machinerys handbook & you will find lots of info on drill manufacture, although not all drills are the same quality or conform to these standards.
Yeah, that's what I've gathered. A lot of these small jobs can end up being unexpectedly time consuming as well. I just charge for my time and if it's important enough for the customer to get it done, it gets done.
Yep I am "that guy" as well I have 40 units/business in my complex and have done work for more than half And I love the small jobs the best way to be is upfront and honest about pricing here is my hourly rate I expect it to take this long but it can take longer I am not here to rob you if I hit any issues I'll give you a call
Short and to the point. Nice!
I used to take on work like this, but got sick of everyone wanting me to do it for $5 a piece and calling every day to see if it's done.
I definitely hear ya on that one. I try and be very blunt about price and timeline with every job like this. It helps, but not always.
I give everyone a chance though. If a customer is exceptionally fussy and complains about price I won't work for them again.
I worked as a freelance firmware developer once, and asked for 30$/h a customer was like, bro how can that cost so much you just have to write the software drivers for the sensor, how hard can that be, while meanwhile being unable to do it themselves. I was sick of this stupid comments and started to work for an automotive company 😂
I wish all jobs were that easy. Thanks. Love your "shop dog" ... he's a beast!
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I say that we have a $200 minimum and they always leave. Doing work for other companies is so much less headache
I'm enjoying your vids John. Your authenticity is refreshing. I'm "That guy" in my town working out of my small home garage after my day job hours and weekends.
Keep the content coming.
I love hearing that! Keep up the grind!
Appreciate the love too.
You came up on my feed, liked the idea of these jobs, so, staying. Thanks.
Awesome! Thanks so much!
Rocking the Casio calculator watch. Love it.
Thanks!! Glad ya like it.
There is definitely a need for this kind of work and with a decent semi-cnc machine like a Prototrak and a good lathe working out of a shop you’re not paying rent on like a home garage you can make a good go of it. I’d was thinking about adding a tap burner to my shop before I got recruited to run a company shop. There’s a lot of call for that kind of work
I enjoy the mix of small jobs & production work in my shop. Jobs like those are quite relaxing as there is nothing too difficult for a couple of hours & $800 is a very good margin. I need to look at my charges, my rate would have been about $175.😥
Sometimes it is great to do small easy jobs. Make life easy... Thumbs Up!
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There is a good reason others hate this kind of work. It's pretty much impossible to make money doing this. I get that you charge by the hour, but you are probably undercharging. 1 hour minimum at $100/hr is probably not enough and do they really care to pay $30 per drill to have a flat milled on? Tell them to buy a belt sander and just grind on a flat themselves in 2 minutes.
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great video. ty.
also, is that a casio watch?
i have a similar one from the 80's
What kind of grinder are you using to deburr the edges?
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You're right about these jobs ??
Most shops don't want to get involved in these simple jobs ??
Usually because they have plenty of better jobs to work on and basically couldn't be bothered with them.
I must admit I am at that point where I would prefer to stay away from jobs like this for pretty much the same reasons.
But, I still get these sorts of jobs in from my previous customers that seem to come back again.
I was that guy who got stuck with these smaller jobs when I was taking on outside work.
Thankfully over time I was able to find good customers that know what my labour is worth and I don't bother looking for these smaller jobs that don't add up $$$ wise ??
As much as these jobs might be simple to do ??
Most of the time you only get paid for about half of the time you spent on them ???
Yeah that's fair to say, but it's all about being up front with the customer. I like to use a "it won't be less than" phrase. If they don't kind paying, the work gets done!
Soo nice....
Hey, I am an aspiring manufacturer also in southern Ontario, and I was wondering how much did it cost you to open a shop and what is your story, how old were you when you started?
All drills have a soft shank. Set comments to newest first for all the replies, some are not shown showing top comments.
That's a broad statement!
@@gleaseman as apprentices we were taught this, it is so drill chucks can grip straight shanks. This is why they get damaged. With morse tapers it is better to damage the tool than the ground socket.
But I have had drills that polish the drill check jaws when it slips. So I'm not sure that is true. HSS drills have damaged chucks, and I have used them for pins because they snap rather than bending. That suggest to me hardening.
@@chrisoakey9841 Spot drills, centre drills some counterbores & some stub drills are hardened throughout. With the global marketplace it is possible that some import drills are through hardened. Traditionally jobber drills and reamers were butt welded or friction welded to keep the shank soft so a chuck could bite, as you have discovered when they aren't. I would have a look online or machinerys handbook & you will find lots of info on drill manufacture, although not all drills are the same quality or conform to these standards.
most consumer drills maybe but 99% of drill used in any kind of manufacturing industry are gonna have hard shanks.
Why not fly cut instead of sanding the plate?
Good question! Too much setup time, and there isn't a great way to hold it. Would likely chatter.
You really need to invest in some more tool holders for your tool post. You would be amazed at how much time it will save you...
So do machine shops hate these do to them being so "Simple" and not as time consuming?
Yeah, that's what I've gathered. A lot of these small jobs can end up being unexpectedly time consuming as well. I just charge for my time and if it's important enough for the customer to get it done, it gets done.
One offs can suck a lot of time you could be billing high production jobs.
Yep I am "that guy" as well I have 40 units/business in my complex and have done work for more than half
And I love the small jobs the best way to be is upfront and honest about pricing here is my hourly rate
I expect it to take this long but it can take longer
I am not here to rob you
if I hit any issues I'll give you a call
@@bluejayfabrications2216 Great advice, I completely agree!
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That's fair!