I worked for many years as a prototyping/research machinist for an aerospace R&D firm. I can't tell you how many times we'd have a "whiteboard engineering" session, and I'd then be asked at 11:00 if I can have something knocked out for the 1:00 AM meeting. Tricks like this are invaluable when it needs to happen "now if not sooner." It may not always yield perfect results, but in the R&D business, perfect is almost always the enemy of good. Thanks for a great video!
I really appreciate your video, I'm 61 and recently started work in a machine shop with no experience, great bunch of guy's to work with and learn new things every day, Thank You.
I'm just in the process of buying my first milling machine, and this is the first "how to" video I've watched. Already I feel like I've learned a lot. Looking forward to trying this out as a learning exercise. :)
@@tictac9229 well, it's standing there in the garage, not doing anything sadly. I've been struggling this last year to get my head into the right place to make anything. I have started making a brake lever for a motorbike though, and that's about 60% done. Once I get my head together I'll resume making it. It's not the easiest thing to make for a first project! Haha 😅
@@ShivJG13 get yourself together and find a nice project! this is no excuse ;) i was 7 years homeless and injected 20 shots heroine each day ! and i am on my machines each day! i make a small engine as my first timer project. maybe i can motivate u to find something cool and get the mill going
@ShivJG boop... how did the project go? I've found Bach Flower Remedies to help with all kinds of emotional/mental states... You can also use NLP techniques to change those old 'triggers'... (We do it all the time, changing from one state to another... if you want to make one, all you have to do is remember the steps you chose to be your 'trigger'... and your 'emotional peak' is key, as well.) Another is, Change the way you perceive it by 'muting' it or shrink it... And make it ginormous and loud... and Blissful... of that which you want to be your experience in life... Just think about all those Blissful moments you can create by being free from those pesky limiting voices... (the 'mask' that looks and sounds like you, but it only limits and creates suffering; you'd be surprised who is behind that mask)... Towards more Blissful moments~!
Very COOL!! My mini mill is arriving in a couple days, and I was dreading buying a rotary vise to Make the small Parts needed for a prototype truck part I am inventing..I was quoted $700.00 To have 6 radiused parts made on a CNC mill plus 3-4 week lead time..if they needed adjustments It was the same cost, and wait time..You have solved both my prototype cost plus a long wait! I have approximately $1200.00 in the mill, tooling, clamps etc... I will have them completed by The end of the week, and now I can also prototype an actuator assembly with radiused ends!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH! GREAT TIP AND VIDEO! Don Sullivan
Being a machinist for 15 years. In both CNC and manuel. I thank you for showing me this method. I never know when or how I will use this method but I know one day it will come up and now I know. Thanks for the time and knowledge my friend.
That was awesome greet trick I've been a machinist/toolmaker for 40 yrs and in this field you can learn something different every day thanks I'm looking forward to using that method some day .
Hey mate i' m a tool maker myself and i have been working fixing molds for 9 years and tooling 17 years and i have never had the need to make a radius like that. I' ve used the radius dresser on the grinding wheel to grind the metal part or make the radius on the electrode to burn the metal part on the EDM. But man! Thumbs up i learned something new today, bless you man.
That was a good tip. I have ALWAYS had access to a rotary table and of course now a CNC mill so I never had to do what you describe here but that being said for those that do not have access to either of the two afore mentioned machines this was an excellent way to achieve that radius. For the garage machinist with little to no fancy equipment you demonstrated a great way to achieve the goal. I served my tool and die making apprenticeship with Ford Motor Company over 53 years ago and always had good machines to work with. We even had a mill that had a rotary table built into the bed so you could move both X & Y but also circular. This of course would allow one to make complicated parts with many radiuses and straight cuts with one setup. That was back in the 60s. Of course as time went by we acquired NC and CNC machines including Mills, Lathes, and EDM machines so I never had to do what you demonstrated here but you know what the say, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". Well that is crap. I am 75 and turned the handles all my life and now have a CNC mill in my garage but you have defiantly taught this old dog a new trick and for that I am grateful and quite frankly impressed to say the least. I am a firm believer in the KISS Principle, Keep It Simple Stupid! The world today is full of ignorant people and they haven't a clue as to what it takes to make parts for whatever and they don't realize what it takes to make something, anything. A lot goes into the setup and just holding parts to machine them is something that has to be learned. You have to be able to improvise and adapt to use the tools you have at hand. This is the sign of a good tradesman. Machine tools cost a lot and even the tool holders and end mills will run you into the thousands. Great job my friend. Maximus has spoken. ua-cam.com/users/garyjarrettevideos?view_as=subscriber
This is one thing I have an issue with the 3D printing community. Because you are drawing straight from CAD to CAM, they never learn how to make efficient designs, or ones that are easily end user serviceable. Many 3D printed designs are very difficult to translate to higher quality metal products, even through advanced casting techniques.
If you are planning to stay manual, look for a cross-slide rotary. This type of table mounts to your mill table just like anything else, but there is a built in cross slide on top of the rotary. You can mount your Kurt type vise on top of that. This allows you to turn a radius on one end of that short workpiece, move the cross slide over and cut the radius at the other end. You can keep this setup on the mill permanently. You will need a 6 inch riser too no doubt.
I saw you at the grocery store in pacifica and asked if you would sign my special clough42 4-jaw chuck challenge printed thumbnail screenshot and you told me "Get away from me you freak!". I have been a fan of yours for thirteen minutes and I cannot believe this is how you treat the people you love.
Thanks again Dale. I watched this video when you first put it out. Now I have a project that requires it. I'm glad I watched it again because I forget about moving the pin to the side of the vice. Thanks to you, I can now do it right the first time. I really appreciate you. Keep up the good work.
It's like the world sent this video to me. Just today, I wss struggling to figure out how I could cut 3 radii quickly. Thank you so much!!! Awesome video! Awesome attitude! Awesome teaching technique!
There are those who choose to take safety to a degree that is necessary and those who go beyond that point. Regardless of the tool you're working with, it all comes down to personal choice that is dependent on one's experience and ability. Awesome video and greatly appreciated. Cheers brother
I’m David. Also a first time viewer, and also like the way you get to the point. • I’m completely new to machining, but I know I like it! • I feel I’m going to have to buy that sign that says, “I’m the Machinist your Mom warned you about!” • Yesterday I received a pair of 123 blocks in a red plastic case, via eBay. It comes also with the five bolts and the Allen wrench. The blocks were wrapped in the extremely thin paper infused with all the waxy goo, so I took it these have never been used before. • I got the waxy stuff off with Goo-Gone, and found that plain newsprint was best for wiping them clean without leaving paper towel lint on them. With shipping they cost about $30. Unbranded. • The day before, I received a nice Starrett planer gage in wooden box with all the accessories, about $200, perfect condition, probably unused. • Thank you!
This is a great idea! Never thought of it. I have a machine at home, an '81 Bridgeport. I don't want to invest in a seldom needed rotary table or a lathe for round work either. If you have a digital you can also do facets using a hole pattern movement with end mill. That is trigonometry for rise and run/ radius math stuff.
This is cool for a general radius that doesn't need to be super tolerant.. but if you had to do a bunch of these and you needed repeatability and you needed them to be on point I don't think this would work this is more of a one-off thing. It's a cool idea but to truly truly clean it up it would take extra time in the grinding room. So are you really saving time in the long run? Either way it's a cool concept. It's always cool to see people come up with these new ideas or refurbish older ideas. Chances are when we come up with something we're not the first ones that actually thought of it somebody somewhere along the lines probably thought of it and just never you know I had a chance to put it on the Internet or didn't put it on the Internet or there was no internet at the time and so forth. Machining is awesome I'm so glad I got into manual and CNC machining as a career. I truly love it. I'm starting my apprenticeship either this week or next week depending on when my boss actually writes up the documents. Hopefully I'll have them written up by Friday if not they'll be done by Monday or Tuesday. And we mainly just do Milling which I love I love Milling.
Very nice. A Rotary table would be better for a large run, but I usually do a one-off like this project. Setup takes longer than this, plus this is in tolerance for most radius work. Perfect.
Great tip Dave, I,m a retired tool maker & I seem to remember that trick many years back. Maybe not but ether way you refreshed my memory if I did & forgot. It,s funny to what you said. We NEVER quit learning.
@ESP-Collectibles it's dangerous because he spends all of his time in the machine shop making sure the door is locked before he hits the green button.
That should be true to anybody that works in a workshop of any kind. Assuming that because you've done a certain shop task a certain number of times over a certain number of years means that you know the best way is just blindingly arrogant and crippling to your growth as a craftsman.
WOW!! I'm impressed with many of your attributes... with your humble but yet intelligent and informative teaching style. I learn better when an instructor has patience and is passionate about their work. I happen to bump into your channel by accident. I am a Designer/Machinist, in the past I dealt with many machinists that have a cocky attitude-- and that ignorance interfered with my creativity, and full imagination capacity. Now I work on on my own with no interference, which in turn allows me to make Ultra- Modern metal sculptures from begging to end, and I get way.... better results. I just called three Designers (one from MIT) and told them all about you, and your channel, we are all exited, because we concentrate on the explicit and implicit, to save time, money and aggregation, that allows the ability to exercise creative freedom, without any interference. On the technical aspect, you have incredible-well thoguht- out machining solutions, very intelligent approaches. Thanks!!!
How does his butt-hole taste? I'm sure you're quite the designer/machinist. So talented aye!? Way better results now that you're not distracted. Why did you get distracted? Did others opinions of you or your work influence your output? if that's the case, then you are week-willed. The concept of this video is interesting, yes, but its applications are slim. How many pieces will you be cutting that has a thru-hole conveniently placed in it? What if you have a small radius and a large piece? It's definitely not "WOW!!". You are no designer my friend. You are no machinist. Please reevaluate your life.
Hello there DALE This was simple practical easy and a superb other way of solving a problemo. We are all not blessed with all the necessary Equipment in our Shops and this was just great. Thanks a zillion for showing sharing and teaching us tyros as well to think "Outside the Box". Much appreciated. Keep 'em rolling, aRM
When I took 3D design classes when I was younger, I learned to make circles that same way when you could only use straight lines, and I never thought of carrying it into machining. I always figured that it would be extremely inaccurate, but apparently it seems to be accurate enough. Thanks for the tip!
Great tip. I liked the other viewer's tip:: NEVER turn a machine off when you open the jaw to move the work, reposition, and repeat. The moving machine can never hurt you. Right? Great tip!
I was trying to understand the concept of a radius when a machinist was examining some ruins in Egypt for accuracy. This demonstration really helped me understand what he was talking about b/c I am used to a radius in a 2 dimensional way as part of a circle. Thanks!
I been a Machinist for almost 20 years and that's the first time ive ever seen this. That was a very fast way to make a radius on a part. I guess you learn something new everyday well that's my goal anyway. Keep up the good work and teaching these things cause there are people like me who love to learn.
Novice metal worker! Now 3-17-2021 I am looking to create a part for a 70's era motorcycle springer that is elusive to find. Instead of paying a machinist, I have a used Smithy with end mill that I need to learn to use. Looking to take a 1" thick by 2" wise piece of AL and put a 1" radius on the end, by far this is a great example of how I could accomplish the radius. Thanks despite this post being about 6 years old now!
Not necessarily. Some machinists actually do programming that can do plenty of complex things to figure out some "seems impossible" things. It's still cool seeing this manually done, though.
As I am a beginner, your demonstration and presentation makes a usable impact. My head rattles with ideas of tools, jigs and so on. Thanks - ja, I did sub
great vid, a couple of parallels on top of the vice would give you the height to swallow the work piece without having to move to the side of the vice,
This video was extremely helpful. I’m building a model steam engine and will need to fabricate two cams for the valves. The lights came on when I watched this. Thank you!
It's a useful trick, but setting up a rotary table is pretty straight forward for things like this, and will give far better results - and once you've learned the set-up shortcuts, it's probably just as quick. Also, you should never set Z zero with the knee handle removed or on the left...
New to machining, why not removed? Also, not all brand new home machinists have access to a rotary table. We tend to get components as we can afford them.
Yes! Think outside the box and have a mental , if not written "Procedure" is my advice to students. All very well talking about CNC stuff - but you have to understand the process - even for when the CNC goes down. Well explained and shown - and for all the time it takes, better than the agricultural angle grinder or better belt sander! Know from hot fingers. great videos thankyou
I have the same part to make - from a HF ring roller. Fortunately my plastic part is still intact but I know it will break eventually. So, make the part now and hold in inventory. Thanks for the tip Dale. Very helpful.
Did you ever try disengaging a rotary table and turning the part with your hand? Using a 4 flute end mill and NOT climb milling it works better than you would think. This can also be done by setting a vertical pin and hand feeding the part thru the rotation. Similar to what wood workers do with the band saw. Thoughts?
I was thinking something similar. I'm just an apprentice now buy seems like putting a pin in and rotating the part is easiest way. I use the cnc mill for my radii and that's how it cuts. With the side of the end mill.
I was doing this trick and to save time I kept the machine on. I was so focused on the part that I wasn't watching out for my finger. Now I have a shattered finger tip, part of my nail bed is gone, and partially no feeling in my finger. And with all the money spent at the hospital I could have bought another bridgeport.
@@jhareng promise you I could fatfinger a program and have 20 done in the time it took to do your 5. That program would be like 10-20 lines of code, start to finish.
@@themonkeyproject I would certainly hope so thats very basic. One thing all you cncers cant grasp is simple basic work holding on zero, in any case radius should have been put in with the holes. You think i would part machine the end profile like the video above, think again. Done exactly the same as your cnc super machine without the programming and setup which means i would do faster!
Watching this video was definitely the best part of the day for me. In the modern CNC age this is sort of irrelevant, but this is definitely way more fun than running this on CNC. "Every day is a school day", even in a CNC machine shop :).
Scotty ,that's because your use to the rotary table ,what if the rotary table is being used,Try to do it like this a few times and you might like it.I like it ,as long as I'm only doing a few parts,it might be kind of slow if you have to do it to a string of parts.
Gee you sure made that easy! I'm an adjunct machinist tech...and have wanted to make some radius cuts larger than my machinist's fillet cutter mills. I'll have to use this technique sometime.
well that's why i asked, thanks! planning on purchasing a few bits for drill press and wondering how to properly and safely use to radius some small brackets for trail bike swing arm end flange.
Actually it is good advice. That is the way I would do it. You just have to feed into it little by little and not all in one shot. That is how I would do it!.
Long time precision machinist, so I found this entertaining. Like how you said think outside the box. As a manual shortrun machinist that's how we have to roll :)
+gwheyduke Because then the part wouldn't be clamped. Are you thinking about holding the part with your hand and feeding it into a mill? That's a pretty bad idea...
AWESOME.. Just found your page - Ive been mulling over this problem for the last couple of weeks - thanks for the clear and well produced demonstration. Subscribed..
8:20 I do not like the way you play with this part nearby still rotating mill. Generally, I do not agree to re-clamp part during spindle operation. It seems to be extremely dangerous man!
Great tip - once you get it that far along you can reset the ctr and stick the pin in the vice grab the work-piece with a vice grip and pull the work-piece around to make the radius smooth - that's how I do my connection rods
What a nice precise video. Great tip, thank you. I'm just about to have to use a mill at the age of 72 (yep still working) and although I'm know as 'Super Al' and expected to know everything, as you say, every day is a school day. If you don't learn something everyday, it's time to retire. While people like you are around, I'll need to keep working.
Outstanding and cool, It was pleasing for me anyway to see someone else using a pillar mill, I have a Lathe/Mill, with the mill being the pillar type. I look forward to using it now that it is installed.
Thanks - this is great idea - thank you for sharing! I have a need to make a similar part, hence the reason I found your video... Thank you again! Can't wait to go try it myself! Cheers!
@@2011zurich agreed but it's usually stupidity or complacency that lands you in the hospital with a few missing digits. I'm guilty of doing shit like that on the daily myself and hands on the work falls into the stupid category. For instance, a welder I work with left his die grinder with a cut off disc on it in his lap and reached over to grab something and zipped his knob. We call him half shaft now. It wasn't actually an amputation, just a cut but still.
Ur giving me some Cool food for thought. I'm in machinist school now. It's a seven month, fast-paced program but we train hard five days a week. Learning all aspects of machinist trade. So thanks for ur videos.
I have been a manual machinist for 30 years.........and this is the first time i have seen this Idea...........thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Keven, I hope your get to use it very soon.
Great to get ideas even after a lifetime of fabricating..Im 70, and still learn something new everyday. thanks for your tips
You know, I never met a machinist that knew it all. But I met many that thought they did! 😁
I worked for many years as a prototyping/research machinist for an aerospace R&D firm. I can't tell you how many times we'd have a "whiteboard engineering" session, and I'd then be asked at 11:00 if I can have something knocked out for the 1:00 AM meeting. Tricks like this are invaluable when it needs to happen "now if not sooner." It may not always yield perfect results, but in the R&D business, perfect is almost always the enemy of good. Thanks for a great video!
I really appreciate your video, I'm 61 and recently started work in a machine shop with no experience, great bunch of guy's to work with and learn new things every day, Thank You.
I'm just in the process of buying my first milling machine, and this is the first "how to" video I've watched. Already I feel like I've learned a lot. Looking forward to trying this out as a learning exercise. :)
How's the milling machine, made anything cool?
@@tictac9229 well, it's standing there in the garage, not doing anything sadly. I've been struggling this last year to get my head into the right place to make anything. I have started making a brake lever for a motorbike though, and that's about 60% done. Once I get my head together I'll resume making it. It's not the easiest thing to make for a first project! Haha 😅
@@ShivJG13 get yourself together and find a nice project! this is no excuse ;) i was 7 years homeless and injected 20 shots heroine each day ! and i am on my machines each day! i make a small engine as my first timer project. maybe i can motivate u to find something cool and get the mill going
@ShivJG boop... how did the project go?
I've found Bach Flower Remedies to help with all kinds of emotional/mental states...
You can also use NLP techniques to change those old 'triggers'...
(We do it all the time, changing from one state to another... if you want to make one, all you have to do is remember the steps you chose to be your 'trigger'... and your 'emotional peak' is key, as well.)
Another is,
Change the way you perceive it by 'muting' it or shrink it...
And make it ginormous and loud... and Blissful... of that which you want to be your experience in life...
Just think about all those Blissful moments you can create by being free from those pesky limiting voices... (the 'mask' that looks and sounds like you, but it only limits and creates suffering; you'd be surprised who is behind that mask)...
Towards more Blissful moments~!
Very COOL!! My mini mill is arriving in a couple days, and I was dreading buying a rotary vise to
Make the small Parts needed for a prototype truck part I am inventing..I was quoted $700.00
To have 6 radiused parts made on a CNC mill plus 3-4 week lead time..if they needed adjustments
It was the same cost, and wait time..You have solved both my prototype cost plus a long wait!
I have approximately $1200.00 in the mill, tooling, clamps etc... I will have them completed by
The end of the week, and now I can also prototype an actuator assembly with radiused ends!!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
GREAT TIP AND VIDEO!
Don Sullivan
I specifically don't design them because
Of the time involved in setup, the guys are gonna love this one. Thank You for sharing your knowledge.
:-)
Great tip when need the man ...
Being a machinist for 15 years. In both CNC and manuel. I thank you for showing me this method. I never know when or how I will use this method but I know one day it will come up and now I know. Thanks for the time and knowledge my friend.
Glade you like this video:-)
I was a job shop machinist for 15 years and that's the first time I have seen that done . Very nice job.
why not vise the pin then rotate the part in an up/down motion?
@@erikdevaney4781 good way for the endmill to snatch the part, and tenderize your fingers. Especially with a big 2 fluter like that.
That was awesome greet trick I've been a machinist/toolmaker for 40 yrs and in this field you can learn something different every day thanks I'm looking forward to using that method some day .
Hey mate i' m a tool maker myself and i have been working fixing molds for 9 years and tooling 17 years and i have never had the need to make a radius like that. I' ve used the radius dresser on the grinding wheel to grind the metal part or make the radius on the electrode to burn the metal part on the EDM. But man! Thumbs up i learned something new today, bless you man.
I've had a machine for 9 hours and 17 minutes. I'll take any tips I can get.
That was a good tip. I have ALWAYS had access to a rotary table and of course now a CNC mill so I never had to do what you describe here but that being said for those that do not have access to either of the two afore mentioned machines this was an excellent way to achieve that radius. For the garage machinist with little to no fancy equipment you demonstrated a great way to achieve the goal.
I served my tool and die making apprenticeship with Ford Motor Company over 53 years ago and always had good machines to work with. We even had a mill that had a rotary table built into the bed so you could move both X & Y but also circular. This of course would allow one to make complicated parts with many radiuses and straight cuts with one setup. That was back in the 60s. Of course as time went by we acquired NC and CNC machines including Mills, Lathes, and EDM machines so I never had to do what you demonstrated here but you know what the say, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". Well that is crap. I am 75 and turned the handles all my life and now have a CNC mill in my garage but you have defiantly taught this old dog a new trick and for that I am grateful and quite frankly impressed to say the least. I am a firm believer in the KISS Principle, Keep It Simple Stupid!
The world today is full of ignorant people and they haven't a clue as to what it takes to make parts for whatever and they don't realize what it takes to make something, anything. A lot goes into the setup and just holding parts to machine them is something that has to be learned. You have to be able to improvise and adapt to use the tools you have at hand. This is the sign of a good tradesman. Machine tools cost a lot and even the tool holders and end mills will run you into the thousands.
Great job my friend.
Maximus has spoken.
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This is one thing I have an issue with the 3D printing community. Because you are drawing straight from CAD to CAM, they never learn how to make efficient designs, or ones that are easily end user serviceable. Many 3D printed designs are very difficult to translate to higher quality metal products, even through advanced casting techniques.
If you are planning to stay manual, look for a cross-slide rotary. This type of table mounts to your mill table just like anything else, but there is a built in cross slide on top of the rotary. You can mount your Kurt type vise on top of that. This allows you to turn a radius on one end of that short workpiece, move the cross slide over and cut the radius at the other end. You can keep this setup on the mill permanently. You will need a 6 inch riser too no doubt.
what part of "faster, easier way" missed you?
I saw you at the grocery store in pacifica and asked if you would sign my special clough42 4-jaw chuck challenge printed thumbnail screenshot and you told me "Get away from me you freak!". I have been a fan of yours for thirteen minutes and I cannot believe this is how you treat the people you love.
Thanks again Dale.
I watched this video when you first put it out. Now I have a project that requires it. I'm glad I watched it again because I forget about moving the pin to the side of the vice. Thanks to you, I can now do it right the first time. I really appreciate you. Keep up the good work.
It's like the world sent this video to me. Just today, I wss struggling to figure out how I could cut 3 radii quickly. Thank you so much!!!
Awesome video!
Awesome attitude!
Awesome teaching technique!
There are those who choose to take safety to a degree that is necessary and those who go beyond that point. Regardless of the tool you're working with, it all comes down to personal choice that is dependent on one's experience and ability. Awesome video and greatly appreciated.
Cheers brother
I’m David. Also a first time viewer, and also like the way you get to the point.
• I’m completely new to machining, but I know I like it!
• I feel I’m going to have to buy that sign that says, “I’m the Machinist your Mom warned you about!”
• Yesterday I received a pair of 123 blocks in a red plastic case, via eBay. It comes also with the five bolts and the Allen wrench. The blocks were wrapped in the extremely thin paper infused with all the waxy goo, so I took it these have never been used before.
• I got the waxy stuff off with Goo-Gone, and found that plain newsprint was best for wiping them clean without leaving paper towel lint on them. With shipping they cost about $30. Unbranded.
• The day before, I received a nice Starrett planer gage in wooden box with all the accessories, about $200, perfect condition, probably unused.
• Thank you!
This is a great idea! Never thought of it. I have a machine at home, an '81 Bridgeport. I don't want to invest in a seldom needed rotary table or a lathe for round work either. If you have a digital you can also do facets using a hole pattern movement with end mill. That is trigonometry for rise and run/ radius math stuff.
This is cool for a general radius that doesn't need to be super tolerant.. but if you had to do a bunch of these and you needed repeatability and you needed them to be on point I don't think this would work this is more of a one-off thing.
It's a cool idea but to truly truly clean it up it would take extra time in the grinding room.
So are you really saving time in the long run?
Either way it's a cool concept.
It's always cool to see people come up with these new ideas or refurbish older ideas.
Chances are when we come up with something we're not the first ones that actually thought of it somebody somewhere along the lines probably thought of it and just never you know I had a chance to put it on the Internet or didn't put it on the Internet or there was no internet at the time and so forth.
Machining is awesome I'm so glad I got into manual and CNC machining as a career.
I truly love it. I'm starting my apprenticeship either this week or next week depending on when my boss actually writes up the documents.
Hopefully I'll have them written up by Friday if not they'll be done by Monday or Tuesday.
And we mainly just do Milling which I love I love Milling.
Very nice. A Rotary table would be better for a large run, but I usually do a one-off like this project. Setup takes longer than this, plus this is in tolerance for most radius work. Perfect.
Lol my name is Stephen Mellon. Just saw your name and thought it was mine haha
Great tip Dave, I,m a retired tool maker & I seem to remember that trick many years back. Maybe not but ether way you refreshed my memory if I did & forgot. It,s funny to what you said. We NEVER quit learning.
Fortunately the finger I am using to enter this comment healed after I learned not to do what you were doing. Good idea dangerously executed.
For our safety please explain. Im a beginner.
@@diogenesstudent5585a beginner you haven’t even learned the day 0 rules about safety?
@@IQof2 google beginner.
Why is this dangerous?? Please explain
@ESP-Collectibles it's dangerous because he spends all of his time in the machine shop making sure the door is locked before he hits the green button.
Great,excellent,now that is what you say ,man using his brain and nothing is impossible.Thanks for sharing how to cut a perfect raduis.
Glad you enjoyed it!
"every day is a school day in the machine shop" I love that. And it should be true to all machinists out there.
That should be true to anybody that works in a workshop of any kind. Assuming that because you've done a certain shop task a certain number of times over a certain number of years means that you know the best way is just blindingly arrogant and crippling to your growth as a craftsman.
Calvin Edmonson and still he hasn’t learn to turn off the spindle every time he reposition the parts
I don’t know anything about milling and very little about machine work, but I just figured out how to make a compensator for my 1911 now. AMAZING!
WOW!!
I'm impressed with many of your attributes... with your humble but yet intelligent and informative teaching style. I learn better when an instructor has patience and is passionate about their work.
I happen to bump into your channel by accident. I am a Designer/Machinist, in the past I dealt with many machinists that have a cocky attitude-- and that ignorance interfered with my creativity, and full imagination capacity. Now I work on on my own with no interference, which in turn allows me to make Ultra- Modern metal sculptures from begging to end, and I get way.... better results. I just called three Designers (one from MIT) and told them all about you, and your channel, we are all exited, because we concentrate on the explicit and implicit, to save time, money and aggregation, that allows the ability to exercise creative freedom, without any interference. On the technical aspect, you have incredible-well thoguht- out machining solutions, very intelligent approaches.
Thanks!!!
How does his butt-hole taste? I'm sure you're quite the designer/machinist. So talented aye!? Way better results now that you're not distracted. Why did you get distracted? Did others opinions of you or your work influence your output? if that's the case, then you are week-willed. The concept of this video is interesting, yes, but its applications are slim. How many pieces will you be cutting that has a thru-hole conveniently placed in it? What if you have a small radius and a large piece? It's definitely not "WOW!!". You are no designer my friend. You are no machinist. Please reevaluate your life.
metal sculptures? lol Im glad you convinced some idiots to pay for your work.
Hello there DALE
This was simple practical easy and a superb other way of solving a problemo. We are all not blessed with all the necessary Equipment in our Shops and this was just great. Thanks a zillion for showing sharing and teaching us tyros as well to think "Outside the Box".
Much appreciated. Keep 'em rolling,
aRM
When I took 3D design classes when I was younger, I learned to make circles that same way when you could only use straight lines, and I never thought of carrying it into machining. I always figured that it would be extremely inaccurate, but apparently it seems to be accurate enough. Thanks for the tip!
+Lucas Acevedo Hi Lucas, the key words in you comment is "accurate enough". I Agree with you. Some guys mis that very important point. 😀
What a perfect hit for the day..... You have made this hobby machinist a happy fellow...Thank You !!
Great tip. I liked the other viewer's tip:: NEVER turn a machine off when you open the jaw to move the work, reposition, and repeat. The moving machine can never hurt you. Right? Great tip!
I was trying to understand the concept of a radius when a machinist was examining some ruins in Egypt for accuracy. This demonstration really helped me understand what he was talking about b/c I am used to a radius in a 2 dimensional way as part of a circle. Thanks!
"Every day is a school day"
That will be the motto
I been a Machinist for almost 20 years and that's the first time ive ever seen this. That was a very fast way to make a radius on a part. I guess you learn something new everyday well that's my goal anyway. Keep up the good work and teaching these things cause there are people like me who love to learn.
First time viewer. I love the way you get to the point quickly.
+Gregory Phillips I'm glad you like it :-)
Gregory Phillips I'm a first timer reading your comment so ditto also I'll double down on that!
He didn't get to the point till 5:23
10 minutes, it could of been explained in almost 1 or 2 min, but hes nice to watch
Are you joking
Dale Thanks for this tips because I´m a mechanic guy doing machinist program in College. I really appreciate it.
Really slick. Sometimes the easiest methods are the best. Keep up the good work.
As a 40 year machinist that was incredible. Nice demo. I am now subscribed . I run cnc's now but remember the handle cranking.
very clever Dale. I subscribed. can't wait to see more of your tips and tricks.
Novice metal worker! Now 3-17-2021 I am looking to create a part for a 70's era motorcycle springer that is elusive to find. Instead of paying a machinist, I have a used Smithy with end mill that I need to learn to use. Looking to take a 1" thick by 2" wise piece of AL and put a 1" radius on the end, by far this is a great example of how I could accomplish the radius. Thanks despite this post being about 6 years old now!
most excellent trick. thank you for sharing.
This is great video, easy to understand the concept he was showing.
Always cool to see real machinists solve these problems. Makes me feel a bit sheepish for doing everything with CNC.
we don't all have CNC machines. :-)
***** Yep, and truly I think the manual machinists are of superior caliber.
Not necessarily. Some machinists actually do programming that can do plenty of complex things to figure out some "seems impossible" things. It's still cool seeing this manually done, though.
One of my favorite parts about machining videos is the comments are always full of people working in this field for years learning new things
Well said
From a journeyman machinist - you are lucky you have all your fingers attached. Good tip but please be safe.
As I am a beginner, your demonstration and presentation makes a usable impact.
My head rattles with ideas of tools, jigs and so on. Thanks - ja, I did sub
great vid, a couple of parallels on top of the vice would give you the height to swallow the work piece without having to move to the side of the vice,
amryamaha yeah that’s where my head went too
This video was extremely helpful. I’m building a model steam engine and will need to fabricate two cams for the valves. The lights came on when I watched this. Thank you!
What are you building?
My current is a part built Jessie bought from Station Road Steam.
Best regards.
David and Lily in England.
thank you for sharing. I enjoy it and I'm not even a machinist! subscribed.
Hello Dale I did this trick on the Mill today! My radius worked out 100% Thank you for the tip👌👌
It's a useful trick, but setting up a rotary table is pretty straight forward for things like this, and will give far better results - and once you've learned the set-up shortcuts, it's probably just as quick.
Also, you should never set Z zero with the knee handle removed or on the left...
New to machining, why not removed?
Also, not all brand new home machinists have access to a rotary table. We tend to get components as we can afford them.
@@RazorCustoms without the handle in place, you can't accurately determine the current state of the backlash on the knee leadscrew.
Yes! Think outside the box and have a mental , if not written "Procedure" is my advice to students. All very well talking about CNC stuff - but you have to understand the process - even for when the CNC goes down. Well explained and shown - and for all the time it takes, better than the agricultural angle grinder or better belt sander! Know from hot fingers. great videos thankyou
I have a rotary table and if doing 1 or 2 parts, I think this is it. Thanks
I have the same part to make - from a HF ring roller. Fortunately my plastic part is still intact but I know it will break eventually. So, make the part now and hold in inventory. Thanks for the tip Dale. Very helpful.
I showed that same "trick" to a coworker , when he didn't believe that I could shear a circle
Good tips Dale!!! Hey get up with me soon.
+Abom79
Thanks, Ill call you this week
Nice !
Good advice. I used that method many times with excellent results.
Very little clean up need and it looks awesome.
Did you ever try disengaging a rotary table and turning the part with your hand? Using a 4 flute end mill and NOT climb milling it works better than you would think. This can also be done by setting a vertical pin and hand feeding the part thru the rotation. Similar to what wood workers do with the band saw. Thoughts?
+Ralph Schoch Refer to Oxtool Tom Lipton. Very good method.
I was thinking something similar. I'm just an apprentice now buy seems like putting a pin in and rotating the part is easiest way. I use the cnc mill for my radii and that's how it cuts. With the side of the end mill.
Exactly, with conventional milling it self limits.
Great video. Thanks for posting it. I like seeing people make do with what they have.
I was doing this trick and to save time I kept the machine on. I was so focused on the part that I wasn't watching out for my finger. Now I have a shattered finger tip, part of my nail bed is gone, and partially no feeling in my finger. And with all the money spent at the hospital I could have bought another bridgeport.
After forty years in the business/trade that's a new one on me.
Life is good outside the box!
My boss is wondering if there's a faster way to do that. I told him to buy a CNC.
LAUGHT OUT LOUD
CNC would be far slower, build in the time to proggy could do 5 by the time even done that way above.
Or retrofit a ProtoTrak controller on your mill.
But for a couple one off parts, this is the smartest, most efficient, way.
@@jhareng promise you I could fatfinger a program and have 20 done in the time it took to do your 5. That program would be like 10-20 lines of code, start to finish.
@@themonkeyproject I would certainly hope so thats very basic. One thing all you cncers cant grasp is simple basic work holding on zero, in any case radius should have been put in with the holes.
You think i would part machine the end profile like the video above, think again. Done exactly the same as your cnc super machine without the programming and setup which means i would do faster!
Watching this video was definitely the best part of the day for me. In the modern CNC age this is sort of irrelevant, but this is definitely way more fun than running this on CNC. "Every day is a school day", even in a CNC machine shop :).
"Every day is a school day" - My new mantra.
+Jeff Stewart
I wish I could say that quote is mine.
Thanks for watching
Scotty ,that's because your use to the rotary table ,what if the rotary table is being used,Try to do it like this a few times and you might like it.I like it ,as long as I'm only doing a few parts,it might be kind of slow if you have to do it to a string of parts.
Gee you sure made that easy! I'm an adjunct machinist tech...and have wanted to make some radius cuts larger than my machinist's fillet cutter mills. I'll have to use this technique sometime.
Im Glad you liked it:-)
Wow! There's a TON of trolls on here. Boy I'd love to see one of their videos since they're so perfect & smart!
Even though your video was in 2015, still timeless and with great ideas...thank you. Keep safe.
Dam one of your alum, chips just flew in my beer.
Drink wine not beer
You and others here, have renewed my interest in metal working. Love your video's.
Being unsafe “because of time”. You’re setting a really good example...of what not to do
That is one of the best fast tricks I have seen. Thank you
Awesome, thanks!
:-)
Excellent, you are a very good teacher, never would have thought about doing this
Thanks. I got lucky. Even broken clock is right twice a day. LOL
I'll be sure to use this when I buy my grizzly mini mill !
So useful parts I have to do are too small for a rotary table. A big thank you.
Cool tip Dale. I am sure the safety trolls loved it too. LOL Happy 4th my friend!
Always looking for new ways to get things done as a tool maker. Definitely a valuable tip
why not set pin in vice at 90 degrees and rotate part on pin into bit with wrench/holder from back?
that is so dangerous. bad advice.
well that's why i asked, thanks! planning on purchasing a few bits for drill press and wondering how to properly and safely use to radius some small brackets for trail bike swing arm end flange.
Actually it is good advice. That is the way I would do it. You just have to feed into it little by little and not all in one shot. That is how I would do it!.
think i will have to try it! going to have lots of small parts i want to round edges on thick and thin.
also might try with a bolt n washer to pivot part on just in case part wants to jump
Thanks for Opening our Minds a Little more than we have before
Perfect method to lose a finger. Never ever adjust a part in the vice while the mill is running.
@oTomahuK We are talking about Basics. Absolute basics. You dont need to put your hand on the part while milling. You have a vice.
@oTomahuK 😂
And yet he still has all of his fingers.
Not with that attitude
@oTomahuK8945lol that's hilarious. But no. Don't wear gloves around drill bits.
Long time precision machinist, so I found this entertaining. Like how you said think outside the box. As a manual shortrun machinist that's how we have to roll :)
Why don't we lock the pin vertically in the vice and then rotate the part ?
+gwheyduke Because then the part wouldn't be clamped. Are you thinking about holding the part with your hand and feeding it into a mill? That's a pretty bad idea...
+Tito Rigatoni That's what Tom Lipton does.
justfakeit888 I have no idea who Tom Lipton is, but it's still a pretty bad idea.
+gwheyduke ...if you want to hold it with your fingers !!!
+Tito Rigatoni Actually I watched and it looked pretty safe.
AWESOME.. Just found your page - Ive been mulling over this problem for the last couple of weeks - thanks for the clear and well produced demonstration. Subscribed..
8:20 I do not like the way you play with this part nearby still rotating mill. Generally, I do not agree to re-clamp part during spindle operation. It seems to be extremely dangerous man!
First thing I thought. Frightening!
How old are you?
you are right sir!! everyday is learning inside MACHINE SHOP,,i got your Idea also thanks for sharing!!
why do you dont use a simple Radiusmiller?
Great tip - once you get it that far along you can reset the ctr and stick the pin in the vice grab the work-piece with a vice grip and pull the work-piece around to make the radius smooth - that's how I do my connection rods
DANGEROUS watch out for your fingers
What a nice precise video. Great tip, thank you. I'm just about to have to use a mill at the age of 72 (yep still working) and although I'm know as 'Super Al' and expected to know everything, as you say, every day is a school day. If you don't learn something everyday, it's time to retire. While people like you are around, I'll need to keep working.
8:19 anyone else think he was gonna loose his hand?
Outstanding and cool, It was pleasing for me anyway to see someone else using a pillar mill, I have a Lathe/Mill, with the mill being the pillar type. I look forward to using it now that it is installed.
I lost 3 fingers just by watching the video
Jeez, you're a TERRIBLE machinist then.
Thanks - this is great idea - thank you for sharing! I have a need to make a similar part, hence the reason I found your video... Thank you again! Can't wait to go try it myself! Cheers!
Keeping your hand on the work when you're making a pass seems like a really bad idea but what could go wrong.
Nothing. Nothing has ever gone wrong. *Cough cough*
The workpiece is locked solid when cutting. Not much to go wrong, unless you move your hand into the cutter, which would be stupid.
@@2011zurich agreed but it's usually stupidity or complacency that lands you in the hospital with a few missing digits. I'm guilty of doing shit like that on the daily myself and hands on the work falls into the stupid category. For instance, a welder I work with left his die grinder with a cut off disc on it in his lap and reached over to grab something and zipped his knob. We call him half shaft now. It wasn't actually an amputation, just a cut but still.
Years later and this is still a great tip! Always learning in the machine shop.
Glade you liked it. :-)
Keep fingers away from spinning end mills...YOU know better than that...
Ur giving me some Cool food for thought. I'm in machinist school now. It's a seven month, fast-paced program but we train hard five days a week.
Learning all aspects of machinist trade.
So thanks for ur videos.
Never ever! adjust your workpiece with the mill still running! one wrong move or slip and bye bye fingers! argh
im an old toolmaker i find that to be good for rough brackets nice job man really cool time saver for me at home now.
lol all the maths and tricks learning my trade in machining and this has got to be one of the most brilliant ideas that I have never seen
Thanks for your comment. Glad I could help.