Fairport Convention Time Will Show The Wiser
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2017
- 1968, pretty much the first incarnation of one of my favourite 'folk-rock' (sic) bands of all time (at this stage of their career they were known as the British Jefferson Airplane), featuring Judy Dyble (replaced the next year by Sandy Denny) and Iain Matthews (Ian Matthews)(who later scored a #1 hit with Joni Mitchell's 'Woodstock' as Matthews Southern Comfort) on vocals, and the world famous singer/songwriter/guitarist Richard Thompson, as well as Tyger Hutchings, Simon Nicol and Martin Lamble, who sadly died on 12th May 1969, aged only 19, after Fairport's van crashed on the M1 motorway. Richard Thompson's girlfriend Jeannie Franklyn was killed too, the rest of the band escaped with minor injuries.
Written by Emitt Rhodes. From the bands first album 'Fairport Convention' featuring Ian MacDonald (later known as Ian Matthews), Richard Thompson, Judy Dyble, Simon Nicol, Tyger (Ashley) Hutchings and Martin Lamble. Clare Lowther also featured on 'cello.
Goodbye to my beloved aunt. Judy. She, together with her husband, my Uncle Simon,( de la Bedoyere/ Stable) showed me, an eleven year-old in 1970, that there was a different way of living, what came to be called 'alternative'.They held parties at my parents' home in Wimbledon in the late Sixties: acid fuelled and entertained by the unreleased Sgt Pepper and Velvet Underground. Then chucked it in for chickens in Oxfordshire. Her lifestyle appealed but it was obviously naive, anachronistic. They gave me Hendrix, Ten Years After, The Floyd - powerful things for an English schoolboy. Thirty years later I too followed their path into rural obscurity and discovered the joy to be had from creativity for its own sake, from immersion in the natural cycle and cooking stews.
I''m not daft. Jude moved to the sticks when land was cheap and a generation later I made enough cash from advertising to escape London and a nervous breakdown. Few can follow. But I did. My wayward Aunt Jude and Uncle Simon had it right.
I have a lot to thank Jude for. The first word I keep for her is -gentle and the second is pastoral.
A lovely tribute to Judy, thank you. I’m 4 years older than you, and I look back on the sixties with a certain nostalgia, influenced as you were by my older brother and sister.
Ahh, that's wonderful. So sorry for your loss, but what a role model! I'm glad she was able to get back into music later in life, with such great results, too.
Sorry for your loss. She was lovely. I encountered her in a forum some years ago.
One thread was about how members of the forum got into Fairport Convention. Her answer was one only she could give:
"I rang the front doorbell!"
Style, Judy!
You had a wonderful aunt, and a lot of people loved her.
thank you for this
I saw Fairport Convention at Leeds University in about 1968. They were the support group but I can still remember the beautiful voice of the singer who I presume was Judy. I didn't see them live again until a few years ago at the St Ives festival. The early memories are the best.
R.I.P. Judy Dyble... what a magnificent voice..
never hered of her until now.
she sang is all.
She had one of the greatest voices I have ever heard.
@@picklewiickle.1583 She also played the autoharp I believe.
@picklewiickle.158
Do you practice hard being a total bellend or is it something that comes naturally?
Judy Dyble sadly left us on 12th July following a long illness borne with great courage. She was 71.
Judy was one of the pioneers of the English folk rock scene in the 1960s - a founding member of Fairport Convention and vocalist with Trader Horne. She withdrew from the music scene in the early 1970s to concentrate on her family but returned in 1997 for Fairport's 30th anniversary reunion at Cropredy. It was wonderful to see her with them again. Further Fairport anniversary appearances followed. Judy then went on to make three excellent albums, the first one unofficially launched at London pub run at the time by my pal Dan Ogus. This began a revival of her music career, which included numerous guest appearances on albums by a host of artists. In 2017, Judy started working with Big Big Train’s multi-instrumentalist frontman David Longdon. Their album "Between A Breath And A Breath" will be released in September. Two songs from the sessions which won't be included on the album, "Crossbones" and "The Daguerreotype", will be released in the autumn (subsequent to the album release) as a tribute to Judy, and In accordance with Judy’s wishes the two tracks will be made available as free downloads, , but it would be appreciated if you could make a donation to Judy’s chosen charity, the Barley Greyhound Sanctuary. (www.barleykennels.co.uk)
I always looked forward to meeting Judy at Cropredy, walking her dogs on the field. As a fellow greyhound rescuer, we always talked about animal rescue, and never music... I shall miss those chats...R.I.P Judy x
Oh thanks for the information, so sorry to learn of her passing, deepest condolences
Too young :(
R.I.P Judy Dyble. Wonderful musician and Greyhound advocate.
a rare chance to catch Martin Lamble performing on drums before he passed away from the motorway crash that also took life of Genie the Tailor (Richard Thompson's girl friend at the time and a cousin of Phil Ochs) and injured other Fairport Convention band members. Sandy Denny did not travel with the band on this fateful trip. This song's author, Emitt Rhodes, was from the group Merry-Go-Around and was called "the one-man Beatles". He passed away in 2020.
Richard Thompson has creative genius and technical skills at the level of Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen. Beyond their range, he's a fleet-fingered folkie, a folk rocker, as well as progressive hard rocker; a brilliant poet with a powerful, nuanced, only lightly-polished voice; and he's advanced his talents across fifty-plus years. Genius still rockin! - Doug Pratt, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
I have loved him as an artist since
I heard Mike Heron's "Flowers Of The Forest" . I have everything he has recorded
including an incredible performance of "She Moves Through The Fair" from Newport Folk festival lp.
I agree with everything you have said Doug and even here as a slightly nervous and awkward teen,
he is absolutely wonderful!
I'll tell anyone who will listen that he's the best guitarist of all time. I've seen it close up and his melodic ripping of the neck is jaw dropping.
Linda Thompson said he was fork bendingly talented..
ua-cam.com/video/WHyoumqydY0/v-deo.html
He was 18 then...
The lovely Judy - singing a duet with Sandy in heaven now. RIP.
Maybe ...!
They never shared the stage together. Two completely different singers.
Just so incredible, and many of the members (like Richard Thompson) were less than 20 years old
Simon Nicol joined at 17 and is still with the band today (he left for a year or two beack in the 70s). I spoke to him at a concert last week and he is a charming, gentle man to speak to and humble in the face of the music.
RIP Judy Dyble, most unique fine singer. Thank you for sharing your gifts with us and leaving us an exceptional musical legacy from the last 15 years of your life.
This Fairport Convention line-up were regular performers at the Mother's Club in Erdington, Birmingham. I saw them there every chance I got. Rode there from Coventry on my Lambretta scooter. They were a fantastic live band with a wonderful female lead singer. Another great band who also played at the club, also with a superb female singer, were The Eclection - search for them on UA-cam.
Another Time, Another Place. Wow, I'd completely forgotten about The Eclection, thanks for reminding me.
So nice to see Judy Dyble here so young
It's so cool to see this in color!
This is an indication of how good the original Fairport Convention were . This was very similar to their live gig performances and for many of the Audience was their introduction to American sing songwriters ,. The CD Heyday which was recorded at the BBC gives another impression of the early Fairport . They were superb
Martin Lamble was a unbelievable drummer.
Achan121 Holding his sticks in the traditional manner like Buddy Rich, et al.
yes
I had the same thought immediately on starting this video. So tight so young. Thompson of course brilliant and speedy.
@@photonotavailable7936 And yet ... not quite! I commented on this above, and it isn't quite traditional grip. Interesting, and quite like Stewart Copeland's manner of holding the left stick. See how he has just the index finger (and thumb, obviously) above the stick? Traditional grip is index finger and middle finger above the stick.
Their best.
R.I.P Judy Dyble
Flawless Guitar....Richard Thompson....
Blisteringly brilliant.... Even after 53 years
RIP Judy Dyble
The collective skill, tightness, mastery of dynamics, ferrocious ability to swing, stop/start on a overall feel of these fairly young musicians is just staggering. And, what a great decision it was for them to cover a song that I'd think was pretty obscure at the time...of course, written by the 17yr old Emitt Rhoads and recorded with his Hawthorne California based band. The Merry Go-Round mere months prior to Fairport recording their version.
It's pretty obvious that Richard Thompson is playing phenomenally here. He's locked and loaded frim yhe get-go...(his playing on the second song they played "Reno, Nevada" is even better...if you can imagine that!!!)
I have to emphatically agree with others who have commented on the rest of the band's performances and, ability...the rhythm section is just ridiculously on fire and, they're both exceptional players and they are soooo tight. What a powerful and dynamic bass/drum axis here. It's such a shame that Martin Lamble was taken at such an early age. He surely would have been recognized as one of the greatest. In a broad sense as I'm certain that he was rated by his peers. Hutchings of course, was otherworldly the minute he started.
Thankfully, the French held their arts in a much higher regard than most countries and we have historically important documents like this to revisit as we wish to and, those who have not been born yet will experience the magic and the legacy of Martin Lamble (and, the entire band) will continue to live on to astound for generations
This is an excerpt from the set they played live on April 27th 1968 for 'Bouton Rouge', a trés cool French TV programme that only lasted two years but managed to showcase the best bands and artists from Britain and America. Any show that got Ry Cooder on as early as 1968 deserves respect :)
'Time Will Show The Wiser' was an excellent choice for Fairport Convention to cover. Having known the original from the debut 'Merry Go Round' LP, I'd always wondered why it had never been released as an A side for them. 50-plus years on, I'm astounded by how mature and well written Emitt Rhodes' lyrics are and how he crafted them into a top-shelf pop song.
Thanks for posting this, Sky Vibes.
Back when there were no "band in a box" or green screens available. You had to sing & play pretty well because if you didn't,when you played live, it became obvious you either could or couldn't. Thank you for this priceless video. Its a treasure.
Exactly. A major feature of music in the 60's and 70's. They were musicians first, and then maybe gained fame and popularity
RIP, Judy Dyble. :(
I love this band. Judy Dyble is one of the top few greatest singers I have ever heard.
RIP Judy Dyble ♥️
Terrific superb rocks!
THIS MUSIC IS SO AWESOME !
R.I.P dear Judy.
the legendary fairport...
Saw them perform several times at the Mother's Club in Erdington, Birmingham. They always gave a good show and sounded great live. They were never the same after Judy left the band.
Great band and song. I love that album.
And look at young Simon in the back.... Still see them when I can
Tight song. Well applied and all
Buuuhat....
Msttty groves...
RIP Judy Dyble. xx
RIP Judy
fantastic band i love
R.I.P. Emitt Rhodes (a week after Judy Dyble) who wrote this wonderful song 😢
RIP Judy. God Rest.
love them in this phase
great song written by Emitt Rhodes who is sadly underated
Tim Webb Yes , I mentioned in the description that ER was the songwriter, and he was sadly underrated
WOW this version sounds bad
and died today on July 19th 2020
I heard this in my local record store back in 1968 and bought the album (Fairport's first) there and then.
rip judy :(
They use to only do covers, a talent agent saw the brilliance of Richard Thompson's guitar playing and gave them a contract because of his brilliance.
They did quite a few of their own compositions!
God bless Judy. She was lovely.
But thank heavens for Sandy.
Judy looks like she'd rather be anywhere but there.
RIP to
Judy, Sandy, and the best drummer they ever had.
On this day, remembering the young drumming talent of Martin Lamble, who 55 years ago, lost his young life in Fairport`s motorway accident, aged 19.
Such a sad loss and who knows what he would have gone on to do had he lived.
fab :)
OMFG we finally have this priceless performance in color! I dont know how u obtained it, sky, but 60s music fans the world over owe u a major thanks. Its just too bad we dont, to my knowledge, have any similar video or film footage of sandy fronting the band...not counting the 70s reunion clips that have been on YT for awhile.
This is from 'Bouton Rouge', an ultra-cool French TV programme that only aired for less than two years but still managed to showcase the likes of Ry Cooder, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, The Beatles, Donovan, The Who, The Doors, Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane (and many more). If it's in colour, and good quality, then either this is film footage or someone has done a lot of image processing and colourising to get the quality this good.
Best version of a Emitt Rhodes classic - when FP were still teenagers full of piss and vinegar. I miss it.
RIP Judy and Emitt.
Color version! What a great cover of Emitt Rhode's song (with his band the Merry-Go-Round). What a great band the Fairport Convention was.
excellent!
Different Fairport, Different Days, Different stokes for Different folkies whatever makes you happy
My mind keeps on telling me that this is no good
And my heart is aching, that tells me I should
But only time will show the wiser
I've fallen in love with a girl that's not mine
If I take her, it will hurt him, a very best friend of mine
But I know that I need someone to hold, to love
And my mind says I shouldn't, but my heart says I should
And I don't know which to go by, my mind or my heart
And this is so confusing, it's tearing me apart
Time, it will show the wiser
Well, I wish someone would help me, this decision is mine
And my morals and emotions are hard to combine
And there is no easy way out to limit the time
That it takes till she finds out for the love that I hide
And I don't know which to go by, my mind or my heart
And this is so confusing, it's tearing me apart
Time, it will show the wiser
Time, it will show the wiser
Time, it will show the wiser
all the love every of the time ~~~~~~
R I P Judy Dyble + Martin Lamble
DANG
Magnificent
Emitt Rhodes, who wrote this beautiful song when he was just 17, has died just a week after Judy.
It's fascinating comparing this version from 1968 with almost the same line-up (Martin Lamble on drums replaced by Dave Mattacks) at a great show at Cropredy in 2017. ua-cam.com/video/EnbKzGZblrA/v-deo.html
TheGreenDragon99 RIP Emitt
Far out 😊
Dig those shades
I love Iain Matthews! It would be an honor to meet him someday!
Met him at Fairport's Cropredy Festival - a nice guy, happy to chat.
@@spiderpromos Lucky Man to meet him!
@@michaelwilson2340 - I tried to book him for a little festival I book for the week before Cropredy, but we couldn't quite afford him, which was a shame....
@@spiderpromos In his defense, not being a mainstream star, he may have to charge a bit more. I could be wrong though. The music business can be rough when you're not a "commercial" entertainer.
@@michaelwilson2340 No, not knocking him at all....there's a lot of factors involved. I've been very lucky with bands/artistes I book. For the last 10 years I have NEVER taken any money for myself, and always make sure the artiste gets as much as I possibly can give. I ran a Festival in Portsmouth from 2000-2011 and lost a few quid every time, but it was fun, and I didn't begrudge it! I tour manage artistes/bands too, and apart from asking for my fuel to be paid that's all I want... I can sleep in my camper van whilst they stay in "ttraditional" accommodation, doesn't bother me!!
I feel a bit sad watching Martin Lamble drumming, knowing that within 18 months of this he would be killed not even seeing 20 years of age...
"IN MEMORIAM": JUDY DYBLE (FAIRPORT CONVENTION / TRADER HORNE / GILES, GILES & FRIPP) (1949-2020)
November 1967
Joe Boyd was the geezer
The Byrds on speed.
Richard Thompson at 1:06 into the song !
i thought it was JEFFERSON AIRPLANE ! they looked and had a sound like JEFFERSONS
I think that first incarnation of the band modelled themselves on JA, certainly they were homing in on the "west coast" sound covering the likes of Joni Mitchell and The Merry-Go-Round (feat Emitt Rhodes who wrote this song).
Actually, more like The Peanut Butter Conspiracy.
Yeah, the singer looks like the bass player from JA with those glasses
First time I saw Jefferson Airplane was at The Isle Of Wight Festival in 1968 - and Fairport Convention were on the bill too!!!!!!
Sound and vibes definitely JA and Byrds
When did they find the original color footage? I've only seen this in B&W from the film that was included in a 1987 VHS tape.
Where did this piece of film show up? I'm used to the old B&W version that has the album track overlaid on the performance.
kinseymilkbone in my archive my friend!
hell yeah
Never noticed the strange approximation of traditional grip from Martin: quite like Stewart Copeland's actually.
WHAT? This looks like a real live recording - in a TV - in 60's?
If so - a real rarity - as a rule the TV performances way back then were at least play back - if not even lip sync.
Maybe I'm just mistaken - but it looks quite genuine.
It's genuine alright. It's French TV, so maybe a slightly different way of doing things.
I loves me a bit o' Miss Dyble. No smile, no moves, no interest. Cool as...
Bits of this - 1:05 to 1:11 and 2:04 to 2:11 really reminds me of The Damned for some reason
Why did the band fire Judy Dyble?
They didn't, she left.
Judy was sacked, in her words “unceremoniously dumped”, and Ashley told her the sad news in Muswell Hill.
What is Judy doing these days, is she still around or playing music these days?
Michael Craig Still making music, released a new album in 2017
judydyble.com/
a friend of mine tells me she was working in a library in oxfordshire not so long ago.
She was at Cropedy 2017 and performed this song with the original lineup (minus Martin Lamble). Thompson, Hutchings, Matthews, Nicol were all present
@@StealthyAssassin007 Wow, incredible. Nice to hear.
Half the band are still teenagers here.
Yes Martin is 18 Simons 18 Richards 19 the others are in their 20's
They seem like psychedelic punk
bruh
Was this recording done in 1968? But in 1968 Sandy Denny was the singer surely? Is the date of the recording 1967?
Peter Brown The tape I have with these 3 (precious) performances is marked as 68, the album was released then, June I think, and Judy was brutally replaced by Sandy not long after, so both of them were part of the band in that year (I know I said in the description previously that Sandy joined in 1969 but I was wrong about that)
@@vibesinthesky Oh thanks that's so helpful. I was puzzled as I saw Fairport in an Open Air performance in Hampstead Heath around June-July 1968 (Jeffersons heading the line-up) and that was Sandy who was the lead singer on this show. I'm so sorry to hear the replacement of Judy was so cruel and unpleasant. I am a musician (www.lemang.com) but Fairport and Richard Thompson are most valued favourites with me and this song is so perfectly performed - so well arranged and rehearsed!
Peter Brown yes there is a fairport at the bbc
With Sandy singing some of those very songs from the first album so she’d obviously been rehearsing them in readiness for taking Judy’s place - not Fairports finest hour, but thankfully Judy got over it
@@PeterBrown42 Yes,I also was at that Concert,actual date 4th September: I remember Grace Slick thanking everyone for turning up on such a rainy evening. Good memories!
Hippies 🙂
Brilliant guitar work by R.T. About 18 yrs old. It doesnt sound much like Jeff. Airpl. to me.Much tighter for one thing.
Wow. Very Byrdsy at this point.
Very 60S
r o c k
i'm no folk expert, but isn't this a tad heavy, fast? don't get me wrong, I dig this song, but was it received well in "folk circles".
At this early point they weren't into trad folk. They emulated US West Coast bands like Airplane, Dead, Byrds etc. They also covered rare Dylan and early Joni Mitchell songs. Their 'British' sound began when Sandy Denny arrived.
At this stage, FC were folk-rock, not folk. They went all folky later after they hired Sandy Denny.
Emitt Rhodes wrote this
Judy Dyble is one of the major badass motherfuckers of musical history.
Emitt Rhodes version (the original) is so much better! Miles away!!
Tend to agree, but in England here I would never have known this song had existed if it wasn't for an English band bringing it to my attention - I had never heard of The Merry Go Round, but this brought them to my attention. And footage of early Fairport is very rare, so I'm grateful to have this, and they do make a decent fist of it imho. RIP Emitt, RIP Judy.
Sandy all the way
0:59 Messi?
Fabulous music, terrible camera work! They clearly hadn't worked out their shots/angles very well beforehand..
duncanparsons just close your eyes 😂
@@vibesinthesky whilst I'm wary of strangers asking me to close my eyes, I'll go along with it this time!
duncanparsons I only ever suggest people to close their eyes when there’s a case of terrible camera work, if it’s just iffy then I suggest they where 3D 🤓 spectacles 🤣
Iain Matthews not Mc Donald!!!
oops thanks for noticing, ian macdonald was in king crimson!
interesting enough andrea he was born a mcdonald ... see wikipeadia entry ... Iain Matthews (born Iain Matthew McDonald, 16 June 1946)
Sky Vibes nobody knows as Iain Mc Donald .
On The first Fairport Convention LP , Ian is down as Macdonald and not Matthews , This would have recorded at the time of the first LP as in the second Judy was replaced by Sandy .
Fairport Airplane or Jefferson Convention? hmm...let me think....this is so confusing....
Really awesome arrangement of the song, but they really needed a different lead singer.
Judy Dyble was great! They eventually hired Sandy Denny but in my opnion, Judy was better.
Rubbish, Iain made a fine job of it.
@@spiderpromos Ian is great but on this instance I have a bit of a complaint how he sings this because he doesn’t really sound himself, he’s altering his voice which isn’t working perfectly here. He should’ve just done it with his normal, brilliant voice.
RIP Judy Dyble
RIP Judy Dyble.
R.I.P. Judy.
RIP Judy Dyble
R.I.P Judy Dyble
R.I.P Judy Dyble
Sorry,meant to say Judy...typo.