I had a crush on my male gym teacher and after he said a joke i playfully pushed him while laughing. he pulled me aside and set the boundary not to touch him like that bc it was inappropriate. it’s up to the adult ALWAYS to set boundaries with young teens
and people who knew boundaries like this, the good people, will never be talked about and will probably never become an example to the people who needs it
If they were sexual with her as a minor, and trading and introducing her to other cops/abusers, its much closer to a child sex trafficking ring than a police force
That's the scarf tied to the door knob symbol. That's how they unalive someone who threatens to report them to the FBI. Chester Bennington, Anthony Bourdain, Chris Cornell, Kate Spade, who was talking too much about the Clintons and Haiti (trafficing children) They all had red scarfs.
This could also have been a reason she wanted to end things with those people but they were actually the ones obsessed with her going by the searches of her name. I believe she wanted to end things so her babies don't get abused
On 28 August 2024, Matthew Farwell was arrested by FBI SWAT on charges of murder in the first degree of Sandra Birchmore. He is accused of sexually exploiting Birchmore when she was a minor, and then trying to stage her death as a suicide after informing him she was pregnant with his child. There is a long road ahead, but the fact that this is being handled federally limits potential corruption. Hopefully, we will see justice for Sandra sooner than later! 💙 An interesting note - several officers involved in this case are also involved in the Karen Read case.
i was just reading about this myself! at 55:05 where they’re actually reminiscing about the day he “took her vrgnity” (ie stat rpe) he says he wished it had started _earlier_ ?? like ?? EARLIER THAN *15* ??? im glad he’s been arrested but i can’t imagine how many other girls were predated on by that police program. absolutely sickening.
@@fullsundotgov yes, he is so gross. No kind of guilty conscience in his body. These investigations officers were so dumb too. The Karen Read case really shined a light on how cops cover up for each other.
Language is very important. She was NOT a woman or a young woman, she was TEEN. A KID. they kept calling her a woman to try and lessen what these ADULT MEN DID TO HER. So sick of that crap. Just because she was an adult when she was killed doesn't change the pedo behaviors from when she was a kid with a crush. This is clearly grooming.
I do not know how it is in the states, but everywhere else in the world, above 18 is an adult. Though the grooming did start when she was a teen... and I really hope that she has justice. She did not deserve ANY of this.
Why are so many people so awful? It sounds like numerous men, most MARRIED men, most police officers, took advantage of a young, vulnerable girl desperate for positive male attention, and then one of them killed her. RIP, Sandra and her unborn baby.
The good people far outnumber the bad, but the bad really get around and are predators always searching for victims. Sadly, a poorly supervised tween or teen who likes police officers would draw in every bad cop like a shark following a blood trail in the water. And until they are caught for that first crime, it can be hard to spot the bad actors among the majority decent cops.
She literally told co-workers "if something happens to me, my boyfriend did it." And she's super open right? Someone needs to expose the name of this "boyfriend"!
This woman was groomed by half of the police department for years 😢 She was probably so naive and she never thought that anything bad could happen to her
My mum died suddenly at 54 and the police investigated it. They gave her an autopsy and discovered it was heart disease. She just had a huge heart attack in her sleep. So someone explain to me why this girl isn't also given an autopsy or have things investigated. BASIC comprehension skills deduce that her death is suspicious as hell. So why do these cops have jobs if they can't do them?
@@PaleTears-jj3nnsadly in most places this is true. Here where I live, all the doctors, cops, morticians, the coroner, firefighters and dentists all kind of know each other. If the coroner had been dealing with these officers for a long time they probably became friends of some sort, so he could have been easily swayed to alter autopsy results, or just outright refuse to do an autopsy. My boyfriend is a mortician and it takes a lot of hoops to jump through to get a body an autopsy. Normally though, if there are signs of foul play they don’t hesitate to do an autopsy, unless it’s obvious it was suicide. If the police don’t suspect foul play, they often won’t do an autopsy unless the family demands one, in which case they can’t say really say no, the family just has to pay for it and autopsies aren’t cheap, they usually run about $5,000. In this case though, since it’s obvious she was murdered, they may have even told the family that they ordered the autopsy but they might not have even told the coroner that they wanted one. My best guess is the cops told the family that they either wouldn’t order an autopsy since they knew the cause of death, that the results were inconclusive or that the coroner refused to do one, and the family maybe didn’t have the funds necessary to do a private autopsy.
@@synergisticcollusion134 ...So you've never had a family member murdered, private autopsy denied, definite cover up then? okay, cool. get rid of the emojis. it's kind of rude. as someone who has witnessed this first hand how easy it is for all of them to band together to make it nearly impossible to prove not only a botched investigation by incompetent officers, a bribed ME, and the primary suspect trying to sue your family for defamation I am absolutely a little salty about this. NOT misinformed. this literally about destroyed people I cared about. and I remember being pissed they finally just dropped out because the lawyer fees were so expensive. oh, and the lead detective? calls literally a decade later wanting to reopen the case because she had completely botched it. we said no. which sucked but the toll it had taken on family members wasn't worth it. please, please be respectful.
@@synergisticcollusion134 as someone who has witnessed this first hand after a family member was exited by another, the detectives botched the investigation. the ME was certainly bribed. getting a private autopsy was out of the question. on top of it my family was in court fighting the primary suspect over the estate and defamation. it's NOT misinformation. please be more respectful to people who have gone through this themselves. it almost destroyed people I care about. Hope you never have to go through that. months and years of stress beyond belief.
As soon as the two cats were mentioned I knew something was up, if I had plans to exit I would 100% make sure I sent out a timed email or something to make sure my cats were looked after immediately, there’s no way I’d leave them uncared for!
One of my neighbours had that all sewn up. She had it written into her will that, when she died, her cat was to be put down. This despite her teenage granddaughter living with them. The granddaughter continued to live in the house, fully intending to do so with the cat, but the daughter (not living with them) took it to the vet ... Granddaughter was devastated.
@@FC-PeakVersatility Selfish humans, can't imagine that did her karma well on the other side. I suppose she thought her cat would meet her there........sad and selfish. And for a vet (and the daughter for that matter) to put a perfectly healthy cat down (for a fee of course) is a whole other evil. Some humans truly suck.
Dude! I just watched this video today, looked it up, Matthew Farwell was arrested this morning!!! He’s being charged for her death and faces a minimum of life in prison!!
Thank you for covering this case. I graduated with Sandra Birchmore and our hometown is finally making some momentum in terms of getting her justice. The cop that groomed and got her pregnant is Mathew Farwell and the other cops involved in this situation are Robert Devine and Mathew’s brother who recently moved from massachusetts to New Mexico. Thank you for covering this Stephanie, I’ve loved your channel for a while and I had no idea you covered this. Sandra deserves true justice and I have faith she’ll get it.❤
@dudaljkk according to NBC news (as well as many other news outlets) "former Stoughton, Massachusetts, police detective has been federally indicted in the death of Sandra Birchmore, accused of killing her and then staging her apartment to make it appear that she had died by suicide."
The fact that you can tell a story so smoothly for a over a hour and a half is very impressive, well done , I can imagine how much studying goes into this, even if you do have notes
Honestly I'm just happy that there are so many strangers on the internet now looking out for the truth of her story because she doesn't have any family to fight for her 🥺
very true. This girl here is great! But I warn you All to please PAY ATTENTION to who you watch on here that covers true crime... there are very bad people that do it for clicks/ views and money only... they don't CARE about the cases and often spew incorrect facts and divide people with misinformation and often blame the family members and real people get so hurt! Some even travel to the crime sites to "investigate" or "search" but what they really do is get viewers to donate to fund their trips, gas ,hotel, food etc.. and they make money on that but do not help any case. They can also hurt the case and compromise any conviction because they can ruin evidence or expose suspects that the cops were watching and now they can run and hide or cover up stuff. If you have interest in a following case.. this here just telling the story is a great start, love her style... but for in depth... Search for channels by retired police or retired detectives and even lawyers out there cover the court end of the cases...you will be better informed. Dont fall victim to bad channels that try to solve the case with the chatters and have drama with other creates because they are there for making money off you... they will seem so caring and so giving with what they do... called "grifters" you "gift" them money thinking you are helping... they live off that money and do not care about these victims 😭😢🤬
Please cover the Karen Reed case! This happened in Boston Massachusetts as well. It’s alleged she killed her boyfriend who is a police officer, but there’s a huge twist that shows his own fellow police officers (coworkers) killed him instead and pinned it on her. Seems like the Massachusetts police department need a lot of help.
Yeah, this one is so obvious too !!! They killed him, and set the place outside and they all together, almost all the police station at this *party* . Because he was about to spills the beans about the crooked polices officers, they kill him. This lady did not run over him.
i live in canton- the town where both of these cases (or at least where sandra lived) took place. everyone is split- SOMEHOW. the tensions are high here
@@SavethechildrenofPalestineThanks for your sane reply, Lydia. However, I believe that by “all the time”, she meant that it’s constantly happening, not that any individual officers are doing it all the time.
it be nice. but jobs don't pay well enough to attract the "right" people. all police departments need a certain amount of personnel to maintain 911 calls and security etc... so a high bar or even mediocre bar prevents a lot of hiring
In Japan, police officers need a 4 yrs bachelor degree and masters in Judo. In Canada, you only need a high school degree and they don't seem to want university grads either. Really odd.
It's disgusting that at the end so many little kids want to be cops. Not on the cops, but just on how Americans glorify the cops. The kids think that they will be saving lives but...
When I worked at a hotel, I had checked in a bunch of state police officers. They were from all over the country and had some kind of convention going on. While there were several officers at my reception desk, one of them asked me (a 20 year old) to go out drinking when them. I told him I’m underage and the officer said, “It’s alright, you’ll be with us police officers, we’ll get you in.” Then 2 more were trying to get me to go as well. I said no though, because thankfully I was smart enough to not go out with a bunch of random men, being the only female. It was crazy and made me realize that corrupt people come from all walks of life.
They likely did get young women to go with them to bars; they were used to doing such things as it sounded like they were comfortable to hit on you as a group.
As someone who was r worded at a young age. I have to say it is so hard to know when something isn't right. When you are being groomed or when a sexual act is happening between you (the child) and the adult. It is hard because in a child eyes, adults are supposed to be someone you trust and are supposed to listen to. You wanna please them at some level. Especially when it's an authority figure. It sucks having to go through life thinking it was okay, but then the older you get and the more you learn about life, you start slowly thinking to yourself "huh... Well that happened to me..." Then you hear more things about how grooming happens. How assault happens. Then you learn about what the r word means. Then one day, it all clicks. Within seconds, you are hit with this throat tightening sickening feeling. Cause now your memories are altered and changed forever. Now you have words to go with the events that happened to you. And it sucks. It sucks so much. And then you are left with the decision whether to tell someone or not. But thats also hard because what if you tell someone? What if they don't believe you? What if they call you a liar? Or what if they beleive you? Well it happened so long ago, it's not like much can happen now. But what if you don't tell anyone? Well now you have to struggle with it alone. And then one day you are scrolling on the internet, you watch a true crime video and then you open up the comments. Then you read a comment that says that every victim should always come out and tell somebody or else they are making the wrong choice. And now you feel guilty! And then you feel shitty. And now it feels like it is your fault! It hurts to know these girls faced these problems. And will grow up to feel and think these thoughts. And will have lasting effects. Some people get hyper sexual as a coping mechanism. Some get depressed and want to end their lives. Some can't ever date or have intercourse. Some get c-ptsd, anxiety, PTSD and other things. And some get pregnant. And some will die whether from suicide or self abortion or giving birth. I hope justice is served. At least to one or all of the victims. Cause then, at least somebody can finally go to bed knowing their voice was truly heard and validated legal wise. I hope they get the justice I never got. I hope they get the justice I couldn't give myself because I will not lie, I cannot commit to going to court against my r*pist because it came from a family member and I fear that if I lose, I will be called a liar. Because it happened when I was 5, and now I'm 19... I have no evidence. Just the memories. And the justice system where I live, isn't the best on this stuff...
This happens to a lot a lot ALOT of girls. You can guarantee 6/10 women have gone through exactly this and slowly came to the same sad realization. I was reading chicken soup and realized the things my uncle had done to me at 5 weren't a 'game.' Children are vulnerable and some adult are predators, and it's almost ALWAYS in the family because they have easy access toy ou. It's worse because there will or be family that doesn't believe you because it's too painful for them and they probably have their own unchecked childhood trauma. Talk about it online with others that experienced it. Also, try not to let 'shame' build up in you. Sex and sexuality is a confusing and ever evolving thing. You are never in the wrong for existing as an innocent child. Also NO not every victim needs to come out. Healing can be done without having to put yourself through scrutiny. Look out for young children, because this is rampant and happens all too often. And I promise you this will get easier to process as time passes. Imo, tell someone if you feel that other children or women could be getting harmed, then it is worth it. In my case, the assailant is passed. I tried telling some family and was ridiculed, bullied, even ENVYED. It was detrimental and terrible for me. So no, not always worth speaking up. What's worth it, is making sure you have a healthy relationship with yourself and with others. That's a lifelong journey.
I am so sorry this happened to you. I am sending you a big hug and l am proud you can share, even if it is over the internet, because you are here, and you matter, you matter and I embrace you as a fellow survivor. ❤
I am sorry you went through that, and angry and sad that people act like you have to go the legal route to be a true,mor worthy victim. That is not true, at all! You were too young to be able to advocate for yourself, even if you had known it was wrong at the time ( how could you when it was all you knew at the time?) Your poetic comment perfect brief encapsulation of what sooo many Young SA victims experience. My first SA was my first intimate experience at 17 the perp was a childhood friend (same age as me). So it is obv a different situation, but the feelings I had were so similar to what you described bc I knew him, and trusted him .
Honestly same.... and even now, 15 years later when I encounter the person in public I'm confused how to act towards them. They were my high school volleyball coach.
"How do the locals feel about this" I will say, I live about 20 minutes from Stoughton, pronounced STOE-ton, and while I don't exactly follow mainstream news anymore, this is literally the first time I am hearing about this. This should have been a major scandal....yet I had no idea this was so close until a decent way into the episode when you mentioned Abington. Doesn't shock be to think this was suppressed to some degree locally...cuz like, how the HECK could I not know about this?!
the heave use of adjectives just to avoid legal liability shows how (allegedlly, in theory, fully and purely speculating) these cops are rotten to the core yet still hold the power
Not really. If you have the 100% court-worthy proof they did this,then you are free to get rid of all the allegedly……truth is an absolute against slander. But for most of us, we don’t know, we just heard it on the Internet, and with a YT algorithm that rewards fast production and more videos, not accuracy. I think this case is described correctly here, but many true crime and other case summaries here on YT aren’t fully accurate, and errors made in one summary just get transferred to all the others as videos use other videos for “sources.” So using allegedly is more for “innocent until proven guilty” and in case of errors by the presenter, not because the police have massive legal perks no one else has.
I remember so many girls having crushes on teachers, celebs, cashiers etc. As an adult now it's my duty that it stays just a cringe memory and not a traumatic one where they got abused. Do kids confess to me? Yes unfortunately. But I would NEVER lead them on, NEVER return the sentiment, NEVER be alone with them, and NEVER hurt them in anyway.
Sadly as one of those girls, its very natural and was HIGHLY common for 13-15 year old girls at my school to be 'dating' and bragging about dating and sleeping with adults. It was so normalized to us no one bat an eyelid. We were new 'women', they were 'real men'. many of them went on to get married at 18 and are still married. So it's very hard to even speak about this to them. Especially where I live age of consent is 14 so who are you to tell a 'woman' that her husband groomed her simply for 'loving her' when she was young and perfect?It's a messed up world.
I had so many crushes on adults. My family did not teach me that it was wrong for adults to be with children (in fact, they taught me the opposite). luckily no adults I flirted with as a kid used this to their advantage. I wish an adult outside of my family explained that it wasn’t appropriate to have that kind of relationship with an adult, because maybe it would’ve opened up a conversation about what was going on at home. There are a lot of people in education that want to keep children from knowing that adults can prey on children, and I wish that wasn’t the case. Even though it’s completely normal for children to have crushes on adults, not all of those children have people at home to tell them about why those relationships shouldn’t happen.
I had a crush on my math teacher but I never acted on it. Even at 15 I knew it's inappropriate. I would sometimes tease him by joking about certain things he did and he'd trade back but that was just his personality and he never did/said anything inappropriate and conducted himself very professionally in the few instances we were alone. He didn't tease any students that didn't provoke him first either. I had another teacher who teased me and that I never reciprocated and even told him I was uncomfortable with it. He continued.. now THAT was horrible. Luckily I made sure never to be alone with him.
@@JohnnyLynnLee He wasn't handling the first situation properly at all I'm not sure why you think the only problem is the disgusting criminal comment. Did you miss the part where he kisses her on the lips?? And how he picked her up and place her on the table while standing real close and flirty? Name a teacher who picked you up and carried you when you were 12. Name a teacher who kissed you on the lips when you're 12. Heck name a teacher who hugs and flirts with a bunch of 12 year old. As a teacher those kids are not friends or family, they're other people's kids and there is zero reason to be touching them and interact with them outside of school.
Steph, you are brave AF! No other TC UA-camr covers more cases of corruption/misuse of power. It is so important to bring these issues out into the light, wish I knew something meaningful we could go to fight against this corruption,
I’m in my 50’s and I have seen and heard so many different approaches to what you are doing with your channel. You my dear are top notch! Not only do you seem so well informed, you have the grace to show ALL just who the real hero’s and victims are. The family of the young girl will have you to thank when all is said and done. Because you did not push her under the rug, you gave her a voice. You allowed people like me to get to know this young woman, mother to be, niece, friend, neighbor, co-worker but above all a human. A human that deserved better from all that she graced with her presence. To all of your teams hard work, I sincerely say thank you. Jonnie Dyer
This sucks so much. Because we know her death is a cover up but, she doesn't have any parents or family to advocate for her. They closed her case so fast. This really sucks man. I hate this case. I don't care what anyone says the way Sandra supposedly offed herself no one off themselves in that way that sounds painful. Statistics show women try to make sure their deaths are clean, painless, and Less traumatizing to people who are going to find them in that state. Plus she was pregnant a lot of things are not adding up. Thats what happens when u cops involved. Justice for Sandra ✊✊✊
I’m sure if either her mum, aunt or grandma were still around they’d making certain that the police doesn’t get away with it. It’s so sad that she basically doesn’t have any family to fight for her. I think we need to start a petition? If that’s not already been done. Be her family, at least make sure she gets justice.
An entire police force doing a cover-up because it's practically a whole damn police station operating a child sex trafficking ring. They do it because they can. There's a Frank Herbert (author of Dune) quote that basically says "Police always observe that criminals prosper. It takes a pretty dull policeman to miss the fact that the position of authority is the most prosperous criminal position available."
What riddles me is that having an extramarital affair isn't against the law - and that seems to be the root of the murder incident here - but grooming and murder is which would both be left unrevealed if the murderer hadn't done anything.
@@justaponyyyyou misunderstood their comment. they are saying an affair isn't against the law but the cops murdered her, and that's against the law. so they got into more trouble while trying to hide an affair. they were pointing out the irony and bad decision making.
@ville__bro, you gotta stop putting this on EVERYONE'S youtube comments. This is the 5th creator I've seen you say this about. Going to your profile, it's full of homophobic and misogynistic language. Sit down and hush.
It wasn’t *like* she was being passed around. She WAS being passed around. She was a pass-around. Which is illegal and infuriating while she was a minor, and sad and pathetic after she wasn’t. Shame on all of them. Except her. I wish her justice.
as someone who survived years of sexual abuse from a police officer, i know that a defense against these officers will be this “community hero” stance. my abuser was very involved in the community as well, and there seems to be a lot of similarities between the case of robert devine and him. especially the clip at the end, which is so chilling to watch, my abuser was also known to be “great with kids”. with his other victims, he often took the “older brother” stance, and also worked with children for almost 20 years. i’ve heard stories from other women and girls who were hurt by community leaders, and almost all of them follow the same patterns and behaviors of these officers. it’s honestly so eerie to see this happen in such a repetitive and systematic way.
I grew up in Ireland in the 80s and the priests were treated like gods on earth. Truly worshipped. The sexual abuse that went on was made possible by this hero vibe and it’s disturbing in every way
@user-mz6yc5hg4x I'm really sorry that you have endured such despicable behaviour by someone in the authority. How can we ever feel safe having such awful people out there who don't protect the public but instead abuse them and think they will always get away with it because of their power. I really hope you have had time to heal. Wishing you strength, happiness, and a successful life ahead.
So weird how they all resigned if they were so innocent and how it’s always the victims fault, I’m so sick of these type of cases blaming victims. May she rest in peace and hopefully one day get her justice
1:14:51 I was SO PROUD OF MR. Mango!!!! Like hell yes!! Hearing him stand up for a child who was taken advantage of by a collective powerful institution
@godsrevolver9737 Obviously not. Because other people, people in position of power knew and didn't bother to say anything. Let alone do something. So no, not everyone would say what he did. Now, would other people agree with him AFTER the fact, yes.
hey Steph ! amazing video as always. i have a case from 2003 Poland of Jolanta K, and Andrzej K., which i think you should talk about. two girls in the town of Czerniejów were asked by their grandma to empty out a barrel of cabbage that she thought started to rot and stink. the girls start to empty it out, but instead of finding rotten cabbage they found 5 dead newborns. now, i suppose there are cases like this all around the world, but this one really stood out for me, because it started the debate of abortion and divorce in Poland. it turned out that the wife was r*ped by her husband repeatedly and she killed the babies out of fear, since they already had four children they had to take care of. at first, the husband tried to play it off, saying he didn’t know anything, but later on it became clear he knew more than he let on, most likely forcing her or killing the babies himself. he got 8 years in jail, over four years free now, while she got 25 and is still in jail to this day. this started a huge debate, that is happening until this very day. PiS, Law and Justice, was in power for the last 8 years, not only destroying our economy, but also making it hell for women’s rights (piekło kobiet is an actual term that the protests happened under) and for minorities, especially the LGBTQ. this case is just the tip of the iceberg that no one outside of Poland was ready to touch. so i’m hoping, Steph, you would be willing to cover this case and talk about what actually happened during PiS being in power. love! 🎉
My father is a chief of police and for personal reasons lets just say a lot of what you believe happens behind closed doors happens. I wouldnt be surprised to see my dad on rotton mango one day they can be scary sometimes. Not all but a lot of who i have met/seen
Yeah, I used to be friends with a girl who had a police officer father and the first/only time I met him, he tried to physically intimidate and threaten us--a group of young teens-when we arrived to hang out with his daughter. Horrible vibes. About 2wks later, he shot her mom in the chest with a shotgun after she'd asked for a divorce (turns out she was having an affair with another local cop) and then killed himself. Miraculously, her mom lived. 40% of cops engage in DV behind closed doors, so: it's not surprising but it was horrifying.
@@RK-dc2eswhile dv is certainly not unknown in the cop world, God knows, 40% seems high. Where did that stat come from? The biggest problem with cop dv isn't necessarily the number of cops involved in it, I think. It's the extent to which the brotherhood can work to protect those who ARE involved in dv and stalking. That's a genuine danger, and we don't do enough to weed out from the cop-hiring process those who exhibit those tendencies.
Yeah, it's definitely horrifying, but I believe I've heard that statistic somewhere else too. I guess LE 1) attracts people with power complexes, 2) desensitizes people to violence, and 3) sets up a bro club where people aren't punished for their horrible actions. All told, I can see how this phenomenon happens.@@ofthedarknessthemoonlight5412
The hardest part as the spouse to LEO is exactly as stated above the brotherhood factor. Have had domestic calls and they didn’t care what the wife’s side of the story was they only listened to their coworker(brother in blue). They also try to control any posts online by the wives and what is spoken about even their own personal opinions. I’ve seen them literally look into posts that husbands were blocked from and send them to the husband and add to the abuse and mistreatment but they never go to the opposing side in the relationship. It’s messed up from my own experience.
Thanks goodness sad as it is, After the KR trial some big red flag 🚩 over something that smells/stinks in Mass, i think we have worked out the main players.
@@juliesamples8469The corrupt politicians and police in Canton, Mass. KR = Karen Read trial where an innocent woman is being framed for murder on her boyfriend.
Have been watching you for long time and I appreciate your time, I just can't wrap my head around how hard it is to research these kind of cases it's heartbreaking, you're truly the best true crime UA-camr I've ever watched. Sending love❤
Mmm show notes are a bit trashy and hard to follow where she found all the info. I half expect she will get plagiarism allegations at some point. I hope she is legit and the podcast format makes her less liable than a video essay format. But still, got a bad gut feeling.
I was in the LA Police Cadets. The cadets program I was in was for MINORS ONLY. I'm specifying because there is an adult cadets program for people training to become officers. The program I was in was for MINORS ONLY. There were girls, 14, dating officers. "Dating" Girls bragged about making out with certain officers. In Los Angeles, 2010-2014.
Cops are just regular humans, minimal training, usually abuse their power and don't prevent crimes... only there to get someone in trouble after the fact.... but not if it's another cop doing the crime.
Inappropriate of these officers messaging back and forth with these young girls. When my son turned 18 he didn't allow anyone who wasn't 18 to be his friend on any social media.
When I was in high school, I had been groomed by a 22 year old when I was 14, a 37 year old when I was 15, and a teacher had expressed romantic and sexual interest in me senior year. He messaged me a few years ago telling me how badly he “wanted me” at the time. I had been contacted more times than I could ever count by older men on social media. By the time I was 16, I developed a huge crush on my weightlifting teacher. It was as normal to me as having a crush on a classmate. He was quite literally the only older man who I was interested in who did not take advantage of me. Once I got a little older I praised him for that in my head. But now I realize it is the literal bare minimum to not take advantage of a teenager. Now that I’m around the age of the man who first groomed me, trying to picture myself with someone so young makes me shiver. I will never understand the men (and women) like this and the people who excuse it. I will especially never understand those who blame the people being taken advantage of.
@@ThandoNdlovu-zr3ld you are so kind. I always get nervous to read comments when I comment something vulnerable like this, but you’re just so sweet and it made my whole day. You got a good heart.
How beautifully you put forth, Steph. Children are never to blame. So true. The hormones are developing and it is actually the adults' collective responsibility and prudence to create safe boundaries and help them navigate through these emotions.
I found you recently and just noticed how much content you put out. It’s insane, you’re a power machine omg. Every video is so captivating too. The way you talk into such detail, I’ve never heard a podcast so well written. Thank you for all the great content.
I always find it insane how people (mostly men) can get away with disgusting behavior like this for so long; it’s almost like ignoring problematic/predatory behavior is part of “bro code.” A lot of guys that I talk to either shrug or say “It’s none of my business.”or “we aren’t really friends” when I ask why they hang out or associate with shitty people. I truly can’t comprehend the INSURMOUNTABLE levels of apathy or lack of sympathy for another human being a person must have when they associate or ignore the actions of people who pretty much openly abuse others, and it’s surprising common. Really makes me lose faith in humanity. And I’m not saying ALL men, but it’s disturbing how common it seems to be, and the fact they comfortably let their buddies in on it should tell you everything you need to know. How can you possibly go around offering unless you had the boldness to talk about things like this before? That’s why a lot of people try to shut down disgusting jokes about rape, child exploitation, etc. When people tell these types of “jokes”, SOMETIMES they are limit testing to see how much they can get away with and who’s potentially on their side. Stuff like this doesn’t happen overnight, and it’s safer to just nip it in the bud; they aren’t always trying to be killjoys, and some people are survivors too.
I said to my father the other day 'I don't need to justify hating the police - they do it for me' and here we are again, having all my work done for me.
sorry but if you can see a few instances of police doing something bad and then apply that to over a million people you are really really stupid and naive and will 1 day hopefully grow up
Just like not all people are bad, not all cops are bad. You can look up videos of the police saving people, and even infants. I hope you never need a police officer but they do good in the world. And I think that good should be highlighted.
I’ve lived in MA my entire life and I have literally never heard of this case. Talk about no coverage… this is devastating and I hope there is justice for Sandra
This case bears a shocking resemblance to the case of Sandy Beal, an 18 year old girl who was found dead in her car in 1977, and had also wanted to be a police officer and was dating a state trooper at the time of her death. Even their names are similar... how eerie.
$5,000 per month? Wow! That’s more than teachers make upon retiring - and also dangerous work experiences. This is horrible. She was so needy, and all they did was take advantage of her.
Poor Sandra. All of her immediate female support died, leaving her fully vulnerable. I hope her remaining family gets justice for her, and I hope that, given there is a lawsuit *all* the redacted pages become discovery for the family!!! On a tangent that occurred to me when you read the Police Chief's statement, it has happened that information is withheld to help a *future* investigation. This avoids false witness statements, etc. That's just an aside (and admittedly, a hopeful one.)
I remember when I was in HS i would walk home everyday and one day a cop stopped me a few houses away from my house and he started flirting with me called me pretty and asked for my number I said no because your probably married he laughed and said he would ask again tomorrow I never saw him again thank god! But as a HS student I didn’t think much of it but now that I’m a mom and I have a niece in HS it makes me sick to my stomach. I hope and pray Sandra and her baby get the justice they deserve. 🥺
I havnt mentioned this before - but I THOUGHT it deserved mentioning... I am SO appreciative of your attention to detail in ALL your stories... the fact you even had a floor plan PHOTO of what the victims apartment looked like included when talking about when the officers opened the door. Lol its the little things like that ... that set you above everyone else. You tell a story like you were there ; you provide evidence/photos of things that help tell your stories perfectly and create a photo in the audiences mind. I really appreciate that about your content. And think it all really sets you apart when it comes to true crime videos.
Imagine her Mom trusting and thanking one of the people who would later have a hand in her death. So heartbreaking 😭💔. RIP Sandra, you were too precious and innocent for this cruel world.
That cop got away with Murder n he dang well know he got away with it. It’s disgusting to think people in authority take advantage of that it’s just disgusting. These men r disgusting and need to be held accountable
Dear RottenMango, your channel has a knack for diving into the depths of mysterious cases, and I can't help but think the Nicolas Zepeda and Narumi Kurosaki story is tailor-made for your investigative prowess. The cultural dynamics, the international legal twists - it's a captivating puzzle waiting to be unraveled. How about gracing us with a RottenMango breakdown on this complex case? Your unique storytelling would undoubtedly do justice to the intricacies involved. Can't wait to see what you uncover!
It's actually far less common to leave behind a suicide note or message than people think. Stats vary on study and country but we're talking about between 3-24% of people leave notes. I'm less interested in the lack of a suicide note and far more interested in the fact that she didn't give her animals to someone else to care for. The vast majority of people go out of their way to make sure their pets are taken care of. Canton, MA has some weird shit happening in their police force there. First this then Karen Read. Justice for this young woman.
I was so much like this girl I'm lucky I survived the world while I was young and unprotected. I ended up on the streets at 18 from aging out of the foster care system. I didn't really start to "adult" till I was like 25. It took me literally years to learn how to grow up and settle into an adult life.
Idk if I'm adulting right either fam. Don't worry. Lol I was just like this too. A lot of family deaths.. I'm a guy tho. I really wasn't a bad kid, But ... I still ended up in foster care by 15. on intense juvenile probation by 17.. went to jail by 18 for the first time. and my only living parent died a couple months later. Im not from here either. So I basically been on my own since then..I ain't been to jail in over 10 yrs tho y'all 👍🏼
She said it with her own words. She may have come to believe that she was helping them release stress by having s3x with them. Gross abuse. May she RIP.
It's an actual tactic that works on women. "My wife doesn't give me enough s3x. She never give bj, I miss those - its been years." etc. A friend of mine was cheated on by her husband. He told his friends that she avoids s3x with him, been months as she read his text messages. Reality, she was having s3x with her husband almost daily.
Thought of this right away - I think it was the same blizzard! That trial was a wild ride and I can't believe the prosecutors still think they can have a credible case.
This episode is crazy detailed, I appreciate your hard work and dedication, you tell these people stories so fluently and well. You are so brave for these types of covers
No matter how you look at it, this is really gross. My niece is now 9 yet when I think of her she is always this little baby all bundled up. I went to buy cough meds for my "kid" brother and only at the checkout did I noticed I had picked up the pediatric version. My "kid" brother is 25. The idea that an adult would look at 13 & 14 years old in that way, doesn't matter if they waited till they were legal or not, is just gross. These people are dangerous and shouldn't be around children.
I’ve seen hundreds of true crime cases and I was so astonished when I saw Matthew entering and exiting her apartment around the time of death combined with the fact that so many people stated they couldn’t believe she’d want to exit. Literally that would’ve been a smoking gun had he been a civilian. Wow.
Can I just say, you are one of the most engaging and masterful storytellers I have ever listened to. The way you tell the story, give the background, and help us understand the culture of the people you discuss is brilliant.
I grew up here and im just learning about this. I asked my mom if she knew at the time and she said yes. The whole town knew how corrupt the police force was at that time and a lot of officers were fired. EDIT: I went to school with Sandra. She always had a great attitude with some sass. I would have never guessed.
When it was brought up that Sandra wasn't perfect- it really warmed my heart how your husband balked that anyone was implying some sort of guilt on her part. He is so awesome in these cases, it is so heartening when men are openly, genuinely supportive of victims. I agree, she was absolutely victimized. As far as her relationships with officers when she was 18 or 21- sounds like Sandra may have acted out in promiscuity. in response to prior sexual abuse and/or grooming. Or maybe she was simply desperate for acceptance and love. Either way there is nothing wrong with sleeping around, but as Stephanie said, this sounds more like passing around than sleeping along. Dude I want to puke, hearing her mom thank one of the predators who was hurting her, she had no idea. Poor mom, poor Sandra, RIP Sandra. 😢
I mean she did knowingly sleep with married men. She’s not 100% innocent. Someone can both be a victim and a flawed person. And this is coming from someone who has dealt with grooming and sexual abuse from a young age; I empathize with her and understand exactly what she was going through and why she probably did what she did and believe she’s a victim and absolutely not at fault if she was murdered and didn’t deserve that as no one does. However, I don’t think we should pretend victims were perfect, flawless people who did nothing wrong. When you are 20 you are old enough to know that sleeping with a married men is wrong regardless of sexual abuse. Although I understand if she had been abused from a young age how such actions can really mess up a persons mind.
@@MsRuneGirlthey emphasized that she wasn’t perfect especially to show the status of those men. Yes she knew what she was doing, that were married but those are still police officers. Beyond the fact that they groomed her to gain what they wanted, their position within the police force is to note: you’re supposed to feel safe and be safe in their presence. They knew what they were doing despite their obvious obligations
@@MsRuneGirlPutting the blame for grown men cheating on girl with no family, groomed since childhood is just as disgusting as putting the blame on the wives. These men chosen to cheat, they made promises to their spouses, THEY broke them.
@@margodphd I didn't put the blame on her, you simpleton. That was not the point of my comment at all. Acknowledging someone’s poor decision making isn’t the same as blaming them for being fucking murdered or that she is the one who is to blame for the cheating. I made it clear I understood where she was coming from and how abuse and grooming from a young age conditioned her mind, and as such, lead to a string of consequences that she is not to blame for that ultimately resulted her in death. “She’s a victim and absolutely not at fault if she was murdered” - “abuse from a young age can really mess up a persons mind.” If I was blaming her I would’ve said “damn what a skank, slept with married men, guess she deserved it lmao.” That’s not what I said. Don’t put words in my goddamn mouth. I’m allowed to speak of a situations nuance and psychological complexities without people like you who only see situations in black and white and immediately assume I’m victim blaming. As someone who’s been GROOMED myself, it’s interesting to me to witness the psychological consequences those acts can have on someone that will effect their psyche long into adulthood. And poor decision making in adult sexual relationships is a very common symptom of people who have been abused as children. Not being able to differentiate between what is and isn’t normal. And yes, as I said 20 years old is old enough to know sleeping with multiple married men is wrong, but given her alleged abuse and trauma I said I empathize with why she did, especially considering her abusers continued to take advantage of her into adulthood.
You are very brave to cover the stories of many involving influential powerful people like you been doing. Thanks to her supporters & team for informing public awareness
I live a town away from canton mass and the fact that this case was so close to me and I had no idea about it?? insane. thank you for telling this story fr. being black in mass, I don't like cops, and if this is how they treat people that respect them, imagine how they would treat someone like me. its a scary thought. I hope sandra's family gets justice one day.
I had a crush on my male gym teacher and after he said a joke i playfully pushed him while laughing. he pulled me aside and set the boundary not to touch him like that bc it was inappropriate. it’s up to the adult ALWAYS to set boundaries with young teens
and people who knew boundaries like this, the good people, will never be talked about and will probably never become an example to the people who needs it
God bless your gym teacher
And young teens shouldn’t be so stupid
@@Ipromiseyounobodyismadthe adult is supposed to know better. they are still CHILDREN
@@IpromiseyounobodyismadThey're kids, they don't understand why an adult shouldn't date them.
If they were sexual with her as a minor, and trading and introducing her to other cops/abusers, its much closer to a child sex trafficking ring than a police force
Exactly what I was thinking...it sounds like they were sex trafficking her.
And people wonder how human trafficking could go so unchecked and rampant. It's obvious at this point.
That also popped in my mind a few times. It seems like a small ring, but a ring, none the less.
That's the scarf tied to the door knob symbol. That's how they unalive someone who threatens to report them to the FBI.
Chester Bennington, Anthony Bourdain, Chris Cornell, Kate Spade, who was talking too much about the Clintons and Haiti (trafficing children)
They all had red scarfs.
This could also have been a reason she wanted to end things with those people but they were actually the ones obsessed with her going by the searches of her name. I believe she wanted to end things so her babies don't get abused
On 28 August 2024, Matthew Farwell was arrested by FBI SWAT on charges of murder in the first degree of Sandra Birchmore. He is accused of sexually exploiting Birchmore when she was a minor, and then trying to stage her death as a suicide after informing him she was pregnant with his child.
There is a long road ahead, but the fact that this is being handled federally limits potential corruption. Hopefully, we will see justice for Sandra sooner than later! 💙
An interesting note - several officers involved in this case are also involved in the Karen Read case.
i was just reading about this myself! at 55:05 where they’re actually reminiscing about the day he “took her vrgnity” (ie stat rpe) he says he wished it had started _earlier_ ?? like ?? EARLIER THAN *15* ??? im glad he’s been arrested but i can’t imagine how many other girls were predated on by that police program. absolutely sickening.
Does she have any videos about Karen?
@@sibelc.380 no not yet
@@fullsundotgov yes, he is so gross. No kind of guilty conscience in his body. These investigations officers were so dumb too. The Karen Read case really shined a light on how cops cover up for each other.
Thanks for the update. Holy cow. What a mess.
Language is very important. She was NOT a woman or a young woman, she was TEEN. A KID. they kept calling her a woman to try and lessen what these ADULT MEN DID TO HER. So sick of that crap. Just because she was an adult when she was killed doesn't change the pedo behaviors from when she was a kid with a crush. This is clearly grooming.
I'm sick of it too
I do not know how it is in the states, but everywhere else in the world, above 18 is an adult. Though the grooming did start when she was a teen... and I really hope that she has justice. She did not deserve ANY of this.
@aliceDarts yeah 18 is a legal adult here in USA too
@@aliceDarts they started grooming her at 13
She was 23
Why are so many people so awful? It sounds like numerous men, most MARRIED men, most police officers, took advantage of a young, vulnerable girl desperate for positive male attention, and then one of them killed her. RIP, Sandra and her unborn baby.
You were right until you said "most police officers"
Unless you live in a very poor country with extremly corrupt dictatorial regiment then idk
@@dougfax What are you even on about? Op was talking about this very case which was absolutely true, not police officers in general.
The good people far outnumber the bad, but the bad really get around and are predators always searching for victims. Sadly, a poorly supervised tween or teen who likes police officers would draw in every bad cop like a shark following a blood trail in the water. And until they are caught for that first crime, it can be hard to spot the bad actors among the majority decent cops.
@@dougfaxI think you need to read that again
@@dougfaxYou might need to go to Specsavers XD
She literally told co-workers "if something happens to me, my boyfriend did it." And she's super open right? Someone needs to expose the name of this "boyfriend"!
Sounds like the list might be too long.
@@mikemck4796naw it sounds like the twin brother.
It's that cop - the one who REFUSES a DNA test. This reads like a dark movie script
you made me giggle wit dis one@@mikemck4796
@mikemck4796 with victims of trafficking it generally is 😐
This woman was groomed by half of the police department for years 😢 She was probably so naive and she never thought that anything bad could happen to her
You mean child, not woman.
@@sarahpalmer411 bruh she’s an adult now. That’s why op said that.
But she groomed when she was a child
@@frutcakes6370 and yet she was a child when it started
ofcourse she was naive she was a child
My mum died suddenly at 54 and the police investigated it. They gave her an autopsy and discovered it was heart disease. She just had a huge heart attack in her sleep. So someone explain to me why this girl isn't also given an autopsy or have things investigated. BASIC comprehension skills deduce that her death is suspicious as hell. So why do these cops have jobs if they can't do them?
Cover up. Their gang looks out for their own. Nothing new. And it will keep happening.
@@PaleTears-jj3nnsadly in most places this is true. Here where I live, all the doctors, cops, morticians, the coroner, firefighters and dentists all kind of know each other. If the coroner had been dealing with these officers for a long time they probably became friends of some sort, so he could have been easily swayed to alter autopsy results, or just outright refuse to do an autopsy. My boyfriend is a mortician and it takes a lot of hoops to jump through to get a body an autopsy. Normally though, if there are signs of foul play they don’t hesitate to do an autopsy, unless it’s obvious it was suicide. If the police don’t suspect foul play, they often won’t do an autopsy unless the family demands one, in which case they can’t say really say no, the family just has to pay for it and autopsies aren’t cheap, they usually run about $5,000. In this case though, since it’s obvious she was murdered, they may have even told the family that they ordered the autopsy but they might not have even told the coroner that they wanted one.
My best guess is the cops told the family that they either wouldn’t order an autopsy since they knew the cause of death, that the results were inconclusive or that the coroner refused to do one, and the family maybe didn’t have the funds necessary to do a private autopsy.
@@artsyfartsynerdywordy It's NOT up to the cops to decide whether or not the ME does an autopsy! You're seriously misinformed! 💯🙄🤦♀️😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@synergisticcollusion134 ...So you've never had a family member murdered, private autopsy denied, definite cover up then?
okay, cool. get rid of the emojis. it's kind of rude.
as someone who has witnessed this first hand how easy it is for all of them to band together to make it nearly impossible to prove not only a botched investigation by incompetent officers, a bribed ME, and the primary suspect trying to sue your family for defamation I am absolutely a little salty about this.
NOT misinformed. this literally about destroyed people I cared about. and I remember being pissed they finally just dropped out because the lawyer fees were so expensive.
oh, and the lead detective? calls literally a decade later wanting to reopen the case because she had completely botched it. we said no. which sucked but the toll it had taken on family members wasn't worth it.
please, please be respectful.
@@synergisticcollusion134 as someone who has witnessed this first hand after a family member was exited by another, the detectives botched the investigation. the ME was certainly bribed. getting a private autopsy was out of the question. on top of it my family was in court fighting the primary suspect over the estate and defamation.
it's NOT misinformation. please be more respectful to people who have gone through this themselves. it almost destroyed people I care about. Hope you never have to go through that. months and years of stress beyond belief.
As soon as the two cats were mentioned I knew something was up, if I had plans to exit I would 100% make sure I sent out a timed email or something to make sure my cats were looked after immediately, there’s no way I’d leave them uncared for!
She definitely woulda made sure the cats were ok first
No doubt, these thugs abused and ended her.
Frfr my two cats keep me from having extreme depressed thoughts cos I can’t think of anyone I trust enough to raise them up and love them like I do
One of my neighbours had that all sewn up. She had it written into her will that, when she died, her cat was to be put down. This despite her teenage granddaughter living with them. The granddaughter continued to live in the house, fully intending to do so with the cat, but the daughter (not living with them) took it to the vet ... Granddaughter was devastated.
@@FC-PeakVersatility Selfish humans, can't imagine that did her karma well on the other side. I suppose she thought her cat would meet her there........sad and selfish. And for a vet (and the daughter for that matter) to put a perfectly healthy cat down (for a fee of course) is a whole other evil. Some humans truly suck.
Dude! I just watched this video today, looked it up, Matthew Farwell was arrested this morning!!! He’s being charged for her death and faces a minimum of life in prison!!
Possibly even the death penalty! We will see if he takes a plea deal to avoid it
Thank you for covering this case. I graduated with Sandra Birchmore and our hometown is finally making some momentum in terms of getting her justice. The cop that groomed and got her pregnant is Mathew Farwell and the other cops involved in this situation are Robert Devine and Mathew’s brother who recently moved from massachusetts to New Mexico. Thank you for covering this Stephanie, I’ve loved your channel for a while and I had no idea you covered this. Sandra deserves true justice and I have faith she’ll get it.❤
Please keep up updated on any progress in the case! Thank you for fighting for her
@adanice49 he was just arrested!! 👁👄👁
@@wendydlc12 mathew? can you give us more details?
@dudaljkk according to NBC news (as well as many other news outlets) "former Stoughton, Massachusetts, police detective has been federally indicted in the death of Sandra Birchmore, accused of killing her and then staging her apartment to make it appear that she had died by suicide."
@dudaljkk yes Mathew Farwell has been arrested
The fact that you can tell a story so smoothly for a over a hour and a half is very impressive, well done , I can imagine how much studying goes into this, even if you do have notes
Honestly I'm just happy that there are so many strangers on the internet now looking out for the truth of her story because she doesn't have any family to fight for her 🥺
Amen!!
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 I
I pray that her family receives justice.
very true. This girl here is great! But I warn you All to please PAY ATTENTION to who you watch on here that covers true crime... there are very bad people that do it for clicks/ views and money only... they don't CARE about the cases and often spew incorrect facts and divide people with misinformation and often blame the family members and real people get so hurt! Some even travel to the crime sites to "investigate" or "search" but what they really do is get viewers to donate to fund their trips, gas ,hotel, food etc.. and they make money on that but do not help any case. They can also hurt the case and compromise any conviction because they can ruin evidence or expose suspects that the cops were watching and now they can run and hide or cover up stuff. If you have interest in a following case.. this here just telling the story is a great start, love her style... but for in depth... Search for channels by retired police or retired detectives and even lawyers out there cover the court end of the cases...you will be better informed. Dont fall victim to bad channels that try to solve the case with the chatters and have drama with other creates because they are there for making money off you... they will seem so caring and so giving with what they do... called "grifters" you "gift" them money thinking you are helping... they live off that money and do not care about these victims 😭😢🤬
Good people still exists.
Please cover the Karen Reed case! This happened in Boston Massachusetts as well. It’s alleged she killed her boyfriend who is a police officer, but there’s a huge twist that shows his own fellow police officers (coworkers) killed him instead and pinned it on her. Seems like the Massachusetts police department need a lot of help.
Yeah, this one is so obvious too !!!
They killed him, and set the place outside and they all together, almost all the police station at this *party* .
Because he was about to spills the beans about the crooked polices officers, they kill him.
This lady did not run over him.
That's a different level of twisted.. "Trust the police... Weellll maybe not all of them.."
Do you have proof she didn't do it
Do you have proof she did, officer?
i live in canton- the town where both of these cases (or at least where sandra lived) took place. everyone is split- SOMEHOW. the tensions are high here
Those cops should be listed as sexual predators and not allowed around children ever again.
Can of worms 🪱
Raleaving stress best she could
This is so disgusting
You don't understand that the cops investigated themselves and determined that they are heroes.
The idea of cops abusing qualified immunity to do nasty things to civilians is horrifying
they do it ALL the time unfortunately ☹️
@@jerzievap No not all the time
@@SavethechildrenofPalestineThanks for your sane reply, Lydia. However, I believe that by “all the time”, she meant that it’s constantly happening, not that any individual officers are doing it all the time.
Cops abuse power again!!
Unfortunately this is what the world is like :(
Police have such little qualifications to become law enforcement it’s INSANE. There should be a four year training tied to it.
it be nice. but jobs don't pay well enough to attract the "right" people. all police departments need a certain amount of personnel to maintain 911 calls and security etc... so a high bar or even mediocre bar prevents a lot of hiring
In Japan, police officers need a 4 yrs bachelor degree and masters in Judo. In Canada, you only need a high school degree and they don't seem to want university grads either. Really odd.
And yearly psychological evaluations should be mandatory.
@@S.Waters.this 💯
It's disgusting that at the end so many little kids want to be cops. Not on the cops, but just on how Americans glorify the cops. The kids think that they will be saving lives but...
When I worked at a hotel, I had checked in a bunch of state police officers. They were from all over the country and had some kind of convention going on. While there were several officers at my reception desk, one of them asked me (a 20 year old) to go out drinking when them. I told him I’m underage and the officer said, “It’s alright, you’ll be with us police officers, we’ll get you in.” Then 2 more were trying to get me to go as well. I said no though, because thankfully I was smart enough to not go out with a bunch of random men, being the only female. It was crazy and made me realize that corrupt people come from all walks of life.
They likely did get young women to go with them to bars; they were used to doing such things as it sounded like they were comfortable to hit on you as a group.
Just remember, police are human too, and are capable of anything.
corrupt people are attracted to positions of power...
If you rejected their advances they would probably arrest you for underage drinking. Entrapment 101. You avoided a big mistake!
Your lucky you didn’t go grapest come in all shapes and sizes!!
As someone who was r worded at a young age. I have to say it is so hard to know when something isn't right. When you are being groomed or when a sexual act is happening between you (the child) and the adult. It is hard because in a child eyes, adults are supposed to be someone you trust and are supposed to listen to. You wanna please them at some level. Especially when it's an authority figure.
It sucks having to go through life thinking it was okay, but then the older you get and the more you learn about life, you start slowly thinking to yourself "huh... Well that happened to me..." Then you hear more things about how grooming happens. How assault happens. Then you learn about what the r word means. Then one day, it all clicks. Within seconds, you are hit with this throat tightening sickening feeling. Cause now your memories are altered and changed forever. Now you have words to go with the events that happened to you. And it sucks. It sucks so much. And then you are left with the decision whether to tell someone or not.
But thats also hard because what if you tell someone? What if they don't believe you? What if they call you a liar? Or what if they beleive you? Well it happened so long ago, it's not like much can happen now. But what if you don't tell anyone? Well now you have to struggle with it alone. And then one day you are scrolling on the internet, you watch a true crime video and then you open up the comments. Then you read a comment that says that every victim should always come out and tell somebody or else they are making the wrong choice. And now you feel guilty! And then you feel shitty. And now it feels like it is your fault!
It hurts to know these girls faced these problems. And will grow up to feel and think these thoughts. And will have lasting effects.
Some people get hyper sexual as a coping mechanism. Some get depressed and want to end their lives. Some can't ever date or have intercourse. Some get c-ptsd, anxiety, PTSD and other things. And some get pregnant. And some will die whether from suicide or self abortion or giving birth.
I hope justice is served. At least to one or all of the victims. Cause then, at least somebody can finally go to bed knowing their voice was truly heard and validated legal wise.
I hope they get the justice I never got.
I hope they get the justice I couldn't give myself because I will not lie, I cannot commit to going to court against my r*pist because it came from a family member and I fear that if I lose, I will be called a liar. Because it happened when I was 5, and now I'm 19... I have no evidence. Just the memories. And the justice system where I live, isn't the best on this stuff...
Im so sorry you had to go through this and im very glad youre still here to share your story and bring awarness. Much Love
This happens to a lot a lot
ALOT of girls. You can guarantee 6/10 women have gone through exactly this and slowly came to the same sad realization. I was reading chicken soup and realized the things my uncle had done to me at 5 weren't a 'game.' Children are vulnerable and some adult are predators, and it's almost ALWAYS in the family because they have easy access toy ou. It's worse because there will or be family that doesn't believe you because it's too painful for them and they probably have their own unchecked childhood trauma. Talk about it online with others that experienced it. Also, try not to let 'shame' build up in you. Sex and sexuality is a confusing and ever evolving thing. You are never in the wrong for existing as an innocent child. Also NO not every victim needs to come out. Healing can be done without having to put yourself through scrutiny. Look out for young children, because this is rampant and happens all too often. And I promise you this will get easier to process as time passes.
Imo, tell someone if you feel that other children or women could be getting harmed, then it is worth it. In my case, the assailant is passed. I tried telling some family and was ridiculed, bullied, even ENVYED. It was detrimental and terrible for me. So no, not always worth speaking up. What's worth it, is making sure you have a healthy relationship with yourself and with others. That's a lifelong journey.
I am so sorry this happened to you. I am sending you a big hug and l am proud you can share, even if it is over the internet, because you are here, and you matter, you matter and I embrace you as a fellow survivor.
❤
I am sorry you went through that, and angry and sad that people act like you have to go the legal route to be a true,mor worthy victim. That is not true, at all! You were too young to be able to advocate for yourself, even if you had known it was wrong at the time ( how could you when it was all you knew at the time?)
Your poetic comment perfect brief encapsulation of what sooo many Young SA victims experience. My first SA was my first intimate experience at 17 the perp was a childhood friend (same age as me). So it is obv a different situation, but the feelings I had were so similar to what you described bc I knew him, and trusted him .
Honestly same.... and even now, 15 years later when I encounter the person in public I'm confused how to act towards them. They were my high school volleyball coach.
I hate the thought of an officer abusing their power.. especially in this way. It's disgusting ._.
For real especially to a young girl.
Immorally
Socially
And awful in general
@@Mr.WestcottX Are you suggesting that young girls are somehow more valuable than everyone else?
@@Adam-326 not necessarily tho. Depending on who's the cause or starting in the first or young age / mistakes / emotional connections.
@@Mr.WestcottX But then why did you say “especially to a young girl”?
@@Adam-326theyre most vulnerable so its worse if you take advantage of one of the most vulnerable groups in society
"How do the locals feel about this"
I will say, I live about 20 minutes from Stoughton, pronounced STOE-ton, and while I don't exactly follow mainstream news anymore, this is literally the first time I am hearing about this. This should have been a major scandal....yet I had no idea this was so close until a decent way into the episode when you mentioned Abington. Doesn't shock be to think this was suppressed to some degree locally...cuz like, how the HECK could I not know about this?!
the heave use of adjectives just to avoid legal liability shows how (allegedlly, in theory, fully and purely speculating) these cops are rotten to the core yet still hold the power
@ville__maybe have some videos on your channel before you post such comments
@ville__ never have ever imagined someone to spell kys like that. BTW how about you do that?
@ville__wow soo edgy
@ville__ least obvious rage bait LMAO
Not really. If you have the 100% court-worthy proof they did this,then you are free to get rid of all the allegedly……truth is an absolute against slander. But for most of us, we don’t know, we just heard it on the Internet, and with a YT algorithm that rewards fast production and more videos, not accuracy.
I think this case is described correctly here, but many true crime and other case summaries here on YT aren’t fully accurate, and errors made in one summary just get transferred to all the others as videos use other videos for “sources.” So using allegedly is more for “innocent until proven guilty” and in case of errors by the presenter, not because the police have massive legal perks no one else has.
I remember so many girls having crushes on teachers, celebs, cashiers etc. As an adult now it's my duty that it stays just a cringe memory and not a traumatic one where they got abused. Do kids confess to me? Yes unfortunately. But I would NEVER lead them on, NEVER return the sentiment, NEVER be alone with them, and NEVER hurt them in anyway.
Sadly as one of those girls, its very natural and was HIGHLY common for 13-15 year old girls at my school to be 'dating' and bragging about dating and sleeping with adults. It was so normalized to us no one bat an eyelid. We were new 'women', they were 'real men'. many of them went on to get married at 18 and are still married. So it's very hard to even speak about this to them. Especially where I live age of consent is 14 so who are you to tell a 'woman' that her husband groomed her simply for 'loving her' when she was young and perfect?It's a messed up world.
I had so many crushes on adults. My family did not teach me that it was wrong for adults to be with children (in fact, they taught me the opposite). luckily no adults I flirted with as a kid used this to their advantage. I wish an adult outside of my family explained that it wasn’t appropriate to have that kind of relationship with an adult, because maybe it would’ve opened up a conversation about what was going on at home. There are a lot of people in education that want to keep children from knowing that adults can prey on children, and I wish that wasn’t the case. Even though it’s completely normal for children to have crushes on adults, not all of those children have people at home to tell them about why those relationships shouldn’t happen.
I had a crush on my math teacher but I never acted on it. Even at 15 I knew it's inappropriate. I would sometimes tease him by joking about certain things he did and he'd trade back but that was just his personality and he never did/said anything inappropriate and conducted himself very professionally in the few instances we were alone. He didn't tease any students that didn't provoke him first either. I had another teacher who teased me and that I never reciprocated and even told him I was uncomfortable with it. He continued.. now THAT was horrible. Luckily I made sure never to be alone with him.
Wow. You all are 304s! H o e s. Omg. Im so disgusted!
@@JohnnyLynnLee He wasn't handling the first situation properly at all I'm not sure why you think the only problem is the disgusting criminal comment. Did you miss the part where he kisses her on the lips?? And how he picked her up and place her on the table while standing real close and flirty? Name a teacher who picked you up and carried you when you were 12. Name a teacher who kissed you on the lips when you're 12. Heck name a teacher who hugs and flirts with a bunch of 12 year old. As a teacher those kids are not friends or family, they're other people's kids and there is zero reason to be touching them and interact with them outside of school.
And then people wonder why cops are hated.
HEY COPS, CALL OUT WHEN ONE OF YOU DOES CRIMES
For real. Cops doing improper things or just awful crimes too.
As someone put it very eloquently online: "There is no song called 'F the fire department" or "F the mail office" and that's for good reason."
They'd probably have lost their jobs if they did
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Steph, you are brave AF! No other TC UA-camr covers more cases of corruption/misuse of power. It is so important to bring these issues out into the light, wish I knew something meaningful we could go to fight against this corruption,
I’m in my 50’s and I have seen and heard so many different approaches to what you are doing with your channel. You my dear are top notch! Not only do you seem so well informed, you have the grace to show ALL just who the real hero’s and victims are. The family of the young girl will have you to thank when all is said and done. Because you did not push her under the rug, you gave her a voice. You allowed people like me to get to know this young woman, mother to be, niece, friend, neighbor, co-worker but above all a human. A human that deserved better from all that she graced with her presence. To all of your teams hard work, I sincerely say thank you.
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He's finally been arrested. Justice for Sandra ❤
This sucks so much. Because we know her death is a cover up but, she doesn't have any parents or family to advocate for her. They closed her case so fast. This really sucks man. I hate this case. I don't care what anyone says the way Sandra supposedly offed herself no one off themselves in that way that sounds painful. Statistics show women try to make sure their deaths are clean, painless, and Less traumatizing to people who are going to find them in that state. Plus she was pregnant a lot of things are not adding up. Thats what happens when u cops involved. Justice for Sandra ✊✊✊
Justice For Sandra ,🙏🏽
Doubt she would don that with her kittens there too
@@london5945I agree! There’s so much indication of foul play but of course it’s just covered up
Seriously it makes no sense they either think we are idiots or they are relaying on the fact we can’t do anything they all deserve jail time.
I’m sure if either her mum, aunt or grandma were still around they’d making certain that the police doesn’t get away with it. It’s so sad that she basically doesn’t have any family to fight for her. I think we need to start a petition? If that’s not already been done. Be her family, at least make sure she gets justice.
She mentioned a fb group at the beginnin: Justice for Sandra Birchmore (despiste its faults as a platform, fb groups can be great)
An entire police force doing a cover-up because it's practically a whole damn police station operating a child sex trafficking ring. They do it because they can. There's a Frank Herbert (author of Dune) quote that basically says "Police always observe that criminals prosper. It takes a pretty dull policeman to miss the fact that the position of authority is the most prosperous criminal position available."
stephanie straight up said 'there is no freaking way anyone is going to stop me from discussing this case' and i am HERE for it
What riddles me is that having an extramarital affair isn't against the law - and that seems to be the root of the murder incident here - but grooming and murder is which would both be left unrevealed if the murderer hadn't done anything.
well i don't see why it would be against the law, that was really not the issue here
@@justaponyyyyou misunderstood their comment. they are saying an affair isn't against the law but the cops murdered her, and that's against the law. so they got into more trouble while trying to hide an affair. they were pointing out the irony and bad decision making.
@ville__bro, you gotta stop putting this on EVERYONE'S youtube comments. This is the 5th creator I've seen you say this about. Going to your profile, it's full of homophobic and misogynistic language. Sit down and hush.
@@awkward.bee1it’s a bot just ignore it
@@youknowwhat9911 thank goodness cuz i was getting so annoyed 😂
It wasn’t *like* she was being passed around. She WAS being passed around. She was a pass-around.
Which is illegal and infuriating while she was a minor, and sad and pathetic after she wasn’t.
Shame on all of them. Except her. I wish her justice.
as someone who survived years of sexual abuse from a police officer, i know that a defense against these officers will be this “community hero” stance. my abuser was very involved in the community as well, and there seems to be a lot of similarities between the case of robert devine and him. especially the clip at the end, which is so chilling to watch, my abuser was also known to be “great with kids”. with his other victims, he often took the “older brother” stance, and also worked with children for almost 20 years. i’ve heard stories from other women and girls who were hurt by community leaders, and almost all of them follow the same patterns and behaviors of these officers. it’s honestly so eerie to see this happen in such a repetitive and systematic way.
Girl thats the worseee but you know youre in the right. Youre a victim and you can keep going in your healing journey❤❤
I grew up in Ireland in the 80s and the priests were treated like gods on earth. Truly worshipped. The sexual abuse that went on was made possible by this hero vibe and it’s disturbing in every way
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I'm really sorry that you have endured such despicable behaviour by someone in the authority. How can we ever feel safe having such awful people out there who don't protect the public but instead abuse them and think they will always get away with it because of their power. I really hope you have had time to heal. Wishing you strength, happiness, and a successful life ahead.
yes abusers often act like nice guys to gain trust and make it less likely victims will be believed if they speak out
So weird how they all resigned if they were so innocent and how it’s always the victims fault, I’m so sick of these type of cases blaming victims. May she rest in peace and hopefully one day get her justice
They wasn't innocent they was playing in the whole community kids
Update: Officer Farwell the father of Sandra’s baby was just indicted today on murder charges by the Feds. Hopefully her family will get justice.
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1:14:51 I was SO PROUD OF MR. Mango!!!! Like hell yes!! Hearing him stand up for a child who was taken advantage of by a collective powerful institution
proud if basic decency?
@@quinnwreckFr ppl be d riding both of them for the smallest thing😭
@@Wharritdo lmao he said what literally anyone would say when presented to info like that
@godsrevolver9737
Obviously not. Because other people, people in position of power knew and didn't bother to say anything. Let alone do something.
So no, not everyone would say what he did.
Now, would other people agree with him AFTER the fact, yes.
@@annieannie2887 you're confusing people in the actual situation with any random person covering it in a UA-cam video
hey Steph ! amazing video as always. i have a case from 2003 Poland of Jolanta K, and Andrzej K., which i think you should talk about. two girls in the town of Czerniejów were asked by their grandma to empty out a barrel of cabbage that she thought started to rot and stink. the girls start to empty it out, but instead of finding rotten cabbage they found 5 dead newborns. now, i suppose there are cases like this all around the world, but this one really stood out for me, because it started the debate of abortion and divorce in Poland. it turned out that the wife was r*ped by her husband repeatedly and she killed the babies out of fear, since they already had four children they had to take care of. at first, the husband tried to play it off, saying he didn’t know anything, but later on it became clear he knew more than he let on, most likely forcing her or killing the babies himself. he got 8 years in jail, over four years free now, while she got 25 and is still in jail to this day. this started a huge debate, that is happening until this very day. PiS, Law and Justice, was in power for the last 8 years, not only destroying our economy, but also making it hell for women’s rights (piekło kobiet is an actual term that the protests happened under) and for minorities, especially the LGBTQ. this case is just the tip of the iceberg that no one outside of Poland was ready to touch. so i’m hoping, Steph, you would be willing to cover this case and talk about what actually happened during PiS being in power. love! 🎉
I hope she covers this
I really hope she does a video on this!!!
This is such an important case thx for sharing it!!
I want to know more about this!
5 dead newborn? 5!!?
Ah yes, the classic, "We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."
This is HORRIFYING!! The ones we're supposed to trust most keep showing us exactly why we shouldn't.
They be FUCKING our kids down and no charges
@ville__ what-
@ville__ idk what u on about but k ...💀👀
84% of people still trust police. So you should trust police. If this was common it wouldn’t be a news story
Trust most??? Cops??? Oh sweetie, just No ❤
My father is a chief of police and for personal reasons lets just say a lot of what you believe happens behind closed doors happens. I wouldnt be surprised to see my dad on rotton mango one day they can be scary sometimes. Not all but a lot of who i have met/seen
Ohh wthh
Yeah, I used to be friends with a girl who had a police officer father and the first/only time I met him, he tried to physically intimidate and threaten us--a group of young teens-when we arrived to hang out with his daughter. Horrible vibes. About 2wks later, he shot her mom in the chest with a shotgun after she'd asked for a divorce (turns out she was having an affair with another local cop) and then killed himself. Miraculously, her mom lived. 40% of cops engage in DV behind closed doors, so: it's not surprising but it was horrifying.
@@RK-dc2eswhile dv is certainly not unknown in the cop world, God knows, 40% seems high. Where did that stat come from?
The biggest problem with cop dv isn't necessarily the number of cops involved in it, I think. It's the extent to which the brotherhood can work to protect those who ARE involved in dv and stalking. That's a genuine danger, and we don't do enough to weed out from the cop-hiring process those who exhibit those tendencies.
Yeah, it's definitely horrifying, but I believe I've heard that statistic somewhere else too. I guess LE 1) attracts people with power complexes, 2) desensitizes people to violence, and 3) sets up a bro club where people aren't punished for their horrible actions. All told, I can see how this phenomenon happens.@@ofthedarknessthemoonlight5412
The hardest part as the spouse to LEO is exactly as stated above the brotherhood factor. Have had domestic calls and they didn’t care what the wife’s side of the story was they only listened to their coworker(brother in blue). They also try to control any posts online by the wives and what is spoken about even their own personal opinions. I’ve seen them literally look into posts that husbands were blocked from and send them to the husband and add to the abuse and mistreatment but they never go to the opposing side in the relationship. It’s messed up from my own experience.
I heard they charged him and I remembered this video. Hearing someone talk about this again has made me hopeful, she’ll get justice.
my god this is horrible. I hope Sandra gets justice 😢
@ville__which videos?
@ville__yes which videos?
@ville__ Exactly which video?
@@bunnylebowski4465Ignore they all they do is lie and cuss people out on stephanie’s channel.
@ville__ lmfaooooooo
Rest in peace, Sandra and baby. The people you surrounded yourself with did not deserve you. 😢
This 😢
I couldn’t imagine being the grandmother and not only having to bury your own daughter but also you grandchild.
The officer reading the book at the end of the episode gave me chills. Genuinely terrifying and despicable. I hope his daughter is safe.
Thank you so much for covering Sandra Birchmore’s case. Thank you for crediting me also. ❤ #justiceforsandrabirchmore #sandrabirchmore
They just ruled her death as a homicide!!
Thanks goodness sad as it is, After the KR trial some big red flag 🚩 over something that smells/stinks in Mass, i think we have worked out the main players.
@@Petals532what are you talking about? KR trial?
@@juliesamples8469Karen Reed
@@juliesamples8469The corrupt politicians and police in Canton, Mass. KR = Karen Read trial where an innocent woman is being framed for murder on her boyfriend.
I agree the KR trial definitely brought this case back out into the light. Some of the same corrupt players here too
I would seriously be afraid to live in that town. How could you trust law enforcement?
Have been watching you for long time and I appreciate your time, I just can't wrap my head around how hard it is to research these kind of cases it's heartbreaking, you're truly the best true crime UA-camr I've ever watched. Sending love❤
right all these cases are so traumatic
It's the researchers like me that help them
She has a team but even presenting them is hard! She presents SO WELL!! I love her
Mmm show notes are a bit trashy and hard to follow where she found all the info. I half expect she will get plagiarism allegations at some point. I hope she is legit and the podcast format makes her less liable than a video essay format. But still, got a bad gut feeling.
@@rbg9602bitch what
FBI and DOJ are investigating this... thank you!
Yep ROBERT HAS BEEN ARRESTED!!! I JUST WATCHED IT
I was in the LA Police Cadets. The cadets program I was in was for MINORS ONLY. I'm specifying because there is an adult cadets program for people training to become officers. The program I was in was for MINORS ONLY.
There were girls, 14, dating officers. "Dating"
Girls bragged about making out with certain officers.
In Los Angeles, 2010-2014.
That's disgusting
Not surprising. Meaning; I believe you
This case is nasty. How could anyone do this let alone cops!?
For real. People should protect the hard working citizens
Cops are just regular humans, minimal training, usually abuse their power and don't prevent crimes... only there to get someone in trouble after the fact.... but not if it's another cop doing the crime.
This girl was so clearly groomed from a young age. It's so sad.
Inappropriate of these officers messaging back and forth with these young girls.
When my son turned 18 he didn't allow anyone who wasn't 18 to be his friend on any social media.
When I was in high school, I had been groomed by a 22 year old when I was 14, a 37 year old when I was 15, and a teacher had expressed romantic and sexual interest in me senior year. He messaged me a few years ago telling me how badly he “wanted me” at the time. I had been contacted more times than I could ever count by older men on social media. By the time I was 16, I developed a huge crush on my weightlifting teacher. It was as normal to me as having a crush on a classmate. He was quite literally the only older man who I was interested in who did not take advantage of me. Once I got a little older I praised him for that in my head. But now I realize it is the literal bare minimum to not take advantage of a teenager. Now that I’m around the age of the man who first groomed me, trying to picture myself with someone so young makes me shiver. I will never understand the men (and women) like this and the people who excuse it. I will especially never understand those who blame the people being taken advantage of.
I am so sorry that happened to you I can't imagine how much strength you must have to overcome all you went through.
@@ThandoNdlovu-zr3ld you are so kind. I always get nervous to read comments when I comment something vulnerable like this, but you’re just so sweet and it made my whole day. You got a good heart.
I hope you're healing ❤ it's a really hard thing to go through.. I realized the same thing, it's the bare minimum.
@@kateyelkovanthank you so much my love. Big hugs!
Man that sucks . Praying your life only gets better from here on
How beautifully you put forth, Steph. Children are never to blame. So true. The hormones are developing and it is actually the adults' collective responsibility and prudence to create safe boundaries and help them navigate through these emotions.
my moms in surgery right now and your videos are keeping sane and distracted thank you stephanie ❤
Hoping all goes well for you and her! I’ve been there
I pray her surgery goes well. That she makes a speedy recovery. May the Lord watch over her and keep her safe in Jesus name.
I'm literally shaking my head at the 50,000 pages of redactions. Unbelievable.
Massachusetts is one giant good 'ol boys club. It is INSANE.
I found you recently and just noticed how much content you put out.
It’s insane, you’re a power machine omg. Every video is so captivating too. The way you talk into such detail, I’ve never heard a podcast so well written. Thank you for all the great content.
I always find it insane how people (mostly men) can get away with disgusting behavior like this for so long; it’s almost like ignoring problematic/predatory behavior is part of “bro code.” A lot of guys that I talk to either shrug or say “It’s none of my business.”or “we aren’t really friends” when I ask why they hang out or associate with shitty people. I truly can’t comprehend the INSURMOUNTABLE levels of apathy or lack of sympathy for another human being a person must have when they associate or ignore the actions of people who pretty much openly abuse others, and it’s surprising common. Really makes me lose faith in humanity. And I’m not saying ALL men, but it’s disturbing how common it seems to be, and the fact they comfortably let their buddies in on it should tell you everything you need to know. How can you possibly go around offering unless you had the boldness to talk about things like this before? That’s why a lot of people try to shut down disgusting jokes about rape, child exploitation, etc. When people tell these types of “jokes”, SOMETIMES they are limit testing to see how much they can get away with and who’s potentially on their side. Stuff like this doesn’t happen overnight, and it’s safer to just nip it in the bud; they aren’t always trying to be killjoys, and some people are survivors too.
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I said to my father the other day 'I don't need to justify hating the police - they do it for me' and here we are again, having all my work done for me.
sorry but if you can see a few instances of police doing something bad and then apply that to over a million people you are really really stupid and naive and will 1 day hopefully grow up
Same here. My rapist is still out there living his best life
That doesn’t make any sense
Just like not all people are bad, not all cops are bad. You can look up videos of the police saving people, and even infants. I hope you never need a police officer but they do good in the world. And I think that good should be highlighted.
@@HailDanielleacab, a rotten apple spoils the bunch and all that
A video about a corrupt cops is not the place to spread your propaganda
I am a retired Police officer and most of the male officers love their little ego boost. Not all, but a lot of them
By little do u mean minors??
I admire you, it takes courage to talk about these issues and you do it in such respectful way 🙌
Not really she’s only talking about it
@@RR.LL.3B Talking about some cases can put her in danger so it does take courage
I’ve lived in MA my entire life and I have literally never heard of this case. Talk about no coverage… this is devastating and I hope there is justice for Sandra
This case bears a shocking resemblance to the case of Sandy Beal, an 18 year old girl who was found dead in her car in 1977, and had also wanted to be a police officer and was dating a state trooper at the time of her death. Even their names are similar... how eerie.
weird spiritual theory but what if the same woman gets reincarnated over and over again until this problem is solved (crazy idea)
@@p3tite3bonythis is such a disrespectful thing to say
$5,000 per month? Wow! That’s more than teachers make upon retiring - and also dangerous work experiences.
This is horrible. She was so needy, and all they did was take advantage of her.
Update guys HE WAS ARRESTED
Poor Sandra. All of her immediate female support died, leaving her fully vulnerable. I hope her remaining family gets justice for her, and I hope that, given there is a lawsuit *all* the redacted pages become discovery for the family!!!
On a tangent that occurred to me when you read the Police Chief's statement, it has happened that information is withheld to help a *future* investigation. This avoids false witness statements, etc. That's just an aside (and admittedly, a hopeful one.)
I remember when I was in HS i would walk home everyday and one day a cop stopped me a few houses away from my house and he started flirting with me called me pretty and asked for my number I said no because your probably married he laughed and said he would ask again tomorrow I never saw him again thank god! But as a HS student I didn’t think much of it but now that I’m a mom and I have a niece in HS it makes me sick to my stomach.
I hope and pray Sandra and her baby get the justice they deserve. 🥺
How can we help to make sure this case is properly reviewed so that justice can be carried out?
I havnt mentioned this before - but I THOUGHT it deserved mentioning...
I am SO appreciative of your attention to detail in ALL your stories... the fact you even had a floor plan PHOTO of what the victims apartment looked like included when talking about when the officers opened the door. Lol its the little things like that ... that set you above everyone else. You tell a story like you were there ; you provide evidence/photos of things that help tell your stories perfectly and create a photo in the audiences mind.
I really appreciate that about your content. And think it all really sets you apart when it comes to true crime videos.
Imagine her Mom trusting and thanking one of the people who would later have a hand in her death. So heartbreaking 😭💔.
RIP Sandra, you were too precious and innocent for this cruel world.
That cop got away with Murder n he dang well know he got away with it. It’s disgusting to think people in authority take advantage of that it’s just disgusting. These men r disgusting and need to be held accountable
May Sandra and her unborn child rest in peace the world loses out on a sweet exciting young lady who’s only fault was seeing the good in people.
@ville__ lmao sure. You’re a joke. Go delete your non existent account if you’re lying for fun bc it’s a really poor hobby
@ville__where?
@ville__ proof?
Dear RottenMango, your channel has a knack for diving into the depths of mysterious cases, and I can't help but think the Nicolas Zepeda and Narumi Kurosaki story is tailor-made for your investigative prowess. The cultural dynamics, the international legal twists - it's a captivating puzzle waiting to be unraveled. How about gracing us with a RottenMango breakdown on this complex case? Your unique storytelling would undoubtedly do justice to the intricacies involved. Can't wait to see what you uncover!
It's actually far less common to leave behind a suicide note or message than people think. Stats vary on study and country but we're talking about between 3-24% of people leave notes. I'm less interested in the lack of a suicide note and far more interested in the fact that she didn't give her animals to someone else to care for. The vast majority of people go out of their way to make sure their pets are taken care of.
Canton, MA has some weird shit happening in their police force there. First this then Karen Read. Justice for this young woman.
I was so much like this girl I'm lucky I survived the world while I was young and unprotected. I ended up on the streets at 18 from aging out of the foster care system. I didn't really start to "adult" till I was like 25. It took me literally years to learn how to grow up and settle into an adult life.
Congrats on coping with a scary childhood❤
Seems like you went through a lot, I’m sorry to read that and I’m really glad you’re safe now, keep taking good care of you
Idk if I'm adulting right either fam. Don't worry. Lol
I was just like this too. A lot of family deaths..
I'm a guy tho.
I really wasn't a bad kid,
But ... I still ended up in foster care by 15. on intense juvenile probation by 17..
went to jail by 18 for the first time.
and my only living parent died a couple months later.
Im not from here either. So I basically been on my own since then..I ain't been to jail in over 10 yrs tho y'all 👍🏼
She said it with her own words. She may have come to believe that she was helping them release stress by having s3x with them. Gross abuse. May she RIP.
It's an actual tactic that works on women. "My wife doesn't give me enough s3x. She never give bj, I miss those - its been years." etc. A friend of mine was cheated on by her husband. He told his friends that she avoids s3x with him, been months as she read his text messages. Reality, she was having s3x with her husband almost daily.
Watch the Karen Read trial, and you will see how all these cops and state troopers still have jobs.... Massachusetts is a DISASTER.
Funny there was a blizzard too
Thought of this right away - I think it was the same blizzard! That trial was a wild ride and I can't believe the prosecutors still think they can have a credible case.
thank you and your researchers for covering this case.
They should be charged sorry. Not giving their DNA speaks volumes
HAVE YOU SEEN THE UPDATE?!?! They arrested him!
They all took advantage of that girl... and should've been held accountable for grooming that girl.
This episode is crazy detailed, I appreciate your hard work and dedication, you tell these people stories so fluently and well. You are so brave for these types of covers
Watching this the say after the arrest of Farwell is insane!!
No matter how you look at it, this is really gross.
My niece is now 9 yet when I think of her she is always this little baby all bundled up. I went to buy cough meds for my "kid" brother and only at the checkout did I noticed I had picked up the pediatric version. My "kid" brother is 25.
The idea that an adult would look at 13 & 14 years old in that way, doesn't matter if they waited till they were legal or not, is just gross. These people are dangerous and shouldn't be around children.
Your intros for these real stories are fire. Gripping and always focused on identifying with those affected.
Update for anyone watching this way after it's posted: on 8/28/24 Matthew was arrested
It’s so wild how many cops out there are actually criminals.
how many?
I’ve seen hundreds of true crime cases and I was so astonished when I saw Matthew entering and exiting her apartment around the time of death combined with the fact that so many people stated they couldn’t believe she’d want to exit. Literally that would’ve been a smoking gun had he been a civilian. Wow.
Thank you for bringing light to this case. Sandra deserves justice.
it’s sad that someone has to die for people to get caught doing such awful things… this was SO good though!💜
For real so sad
Can I just say, you are one of the most engaging and masterful storytellers I have ever listened to. The way you tell the story, give the background, and help us understand the culture of the people you discuss is brilliant.
I grew up here and im just learning about this. I asked my mom if she knew at the time and she said yes. The whole town knew how corrupt the police force was at that time and a lot of officers were fired.
EDIT: I went to school with Sandra. She always had a great attitude with some sass. I would have never guessed.
When it was brought up that Sandra wasn't perfect- it really warmed my heart how your husband balked that anyone was implying some sort of guilt on her part. He is so awesome in these cases, it is so heartening when men are openly, genuinely supportive of victims.
I agree, she was absolutely victimized. As far as her relationships with officers when she was 18 or 21- sounds like Sandra may have acted out in promiscuity. in response to prior sexual abuse and/or grooming. Or maybe she was simply desperate for acceptance and love. Either way there is nothing wrong with sleeping around, but as Stephanie said, this sounds more like passing around than sleeping along. Dude I want to puke, hearing her mom thank one of the predators who was hurting her, she had no idea. Poor mom, poor Sandra, RIP Sandra. 😢
I mean she did knowingly sleep with married men. She’s not 100% innocent. Someone can both be a victim and a flawed person. And this is coming from someone who has dealt with grooming and sexual abuse from a young age; I empathize with her and understand exactly what she was going through and why she probably did what she did and believe she’s a victim and absolutely not at fault if she was murdered and didn’t deserve that as no one does. However, I don’t think we should pretend victims were perfect, flawless people who did nothing wrong. When you are 20 you are old enough to know that sleeping with a married men is wrong regardless of sexual abuse. Although I understand if she had been abused from a young age how such actions can really mess up a persons mind.
@@MsRuneGirlthey emphasized that she wasn’t perfect especially to show the status of those men. Yes she knew what she was doing, that were married but those are still police officers. Beyond the fact that they groomed her to gain what they wanted, their position within the police force is to note: you’re supposed to feel safe and be safe in their presence. They knew what they were doing despite their obvious obligations
@@MsRuneGirlPutting the blame for grown men cheating on girl with no family, groomed since childhood is just as disgusting as putting the blame on the wives. These men chosen to cheat, they made promises to their spouses, THEY broke them.
@@margodphd I didn't put the blame on her, you simpleton. That was not the point of my comment at all. Acknowledging someone’s poor decision making isn’t the same as blaming them for being fucking murdered or that she is the one who is to blame for the cheating. I made it clear I understood where she was coming from and how abuse and grooming from a young age conditioned her mind, and as such, lead to a string of consequences that she is not to blame for that ultimately resulted her in death. “She’s a victim and absolutely not at fault if she was murdered” - “abuse from a young age can really mess up a persons mind.” If I was blaming her I would’ve said “damn what a skank, slept with married men, guess she deserved it lmao.” That’s not what I said. Don’t put words in my goddamn mouth. I’m allowed to speak of a situations nuance and psychological complexities without people like you who only see situations in black and white and immediately assume I’m victim blaming. As someone who’s been GROOMED myself, it’s interesting to me to witness the psychological consequences those acts can have on someone that will effect their psyche long into adulthood. And poor decision making in adult sexual relationships is a very common symptom of people who have been abused as children. Not being able to differentiate between what is and isn’t normal. And yes, as I said 20 years old is old enough to know sleeping with multiple married men is wrong, but given her alleged abuse and trauma I said I empathize with why she did, especially considering her abusers continued to take advantage of her into adulthood.
You are very brave to cover the stories of many involving influential powerful people like you been doing. Thanks to her supporters & team for informing public awareness
And today we have an arrest ❤
I live a town away from canton mass and the fact that this case was so close to me and I had no idea about it?? insane. thank you for telling this story fr. being black in mass, I don't like cops, and if this is how they treat people that respect them, imagine how they would treat someone like me. its a scary thought. I hope sandra's family gets justice one day.
hopefully you grow up and stop acting like a victim one day
@@Gwaziyou a cop?
@@crvshh8663 No I’m just part of the 83% of the population that supports them