SOLVED. 😊 Thanks for your video. The collar fits in the larger diameter hole of the center link/section of the bracelet, on the side of the arrows. The center section has a larger diameter hole than the outer portions of the bracelet. You fit the pin through the outer section, and then through the center section (that has the collar). Next you hammer the pin down, through the resistance of the collar in the center section; the collar is engaged and the pin moves on through to the other outer section. Since the two outer sections have a small diameter hole than the collar, the collar can never pass through the outer holes, and will thus hold the pin in place.
It takes five minutes to understand it, and another five minutes to add a link to a bracelet. Next time even less.
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Sized a Citizen BJ7111 with a titanium band with collars today and thanks to this clip i used one of those inexpensive pin presses sold on amazon and it went very smooth. With the press it pushes the pins out in a straight line and the collars remain in the links. Thanks for the heads up and saving me the aggravation.
I received a new Citizen for Christmas that was slightly too large. After removing the first two pins, I was surprised and confused when the little collars dropped into my trey. Id never dealt with them before. It took me a little searching to find a "how to" vid because I didn't know what I was dealing with. I thought they were a spacer of some kind. I understand the process now, but Id rather deal with the old school pins. The tiny collars are a pain in the ass to deal with.
Congratulations on the new watch. I am glad that my video was helpful, and yes I agree, I'd rather have the old split pins, or screw pins. Some brands have better pin and collar systems, but not my preferred system.
That is a BRILLIANT idea! Gotta love YT comments section. I have learned more useful information on so many different topics that its like being a tradesman apprentice and even master's level college subjects!
When trying to squeeze the collar that you had stretched open I'm just wondering if it would have been helpful to slip it onto one of your pin extracting tools and then use the needle nose pliers to squeeze it back into shape. Having it slipped over the pin end of the correct size tool would have acted as a size guide and prevented narrowing it too much. Just a thought.
I bought an Omega seamaster 300m the screws were so tight I took it to a watch maker and he used a torch to heat up the locktight and break that seal to size the bracelet. The screws were unbelievably tight.
Wow, that would be very frustrating. I have only had problems with the screws on a microbrand watch, I bent the tip of my screw driver trying to unscrew it. I forgot what the brand is by now though.
Fml, I didn't even know there was...whatever those are in between the pins and the link It explains so much I have failed myself for not looking further into this
If you are talking about the friction or split pins, I suppose that could work if you found the right size. Probably better off to find replacement pins and collars.
I either used my 0.7 or 8.0 mm pin pusher. They are not marked and close in size. I first used my thickest pusher which is 1.0 mm, and that was too thick.
SOLVED. 😊 Thanks for your video. The collar fits in the larger diameter hole of the center link/section of the bracelet, on the side of the arrows. The center section has a larger diameter hole than the outer portions of the bracelet. You fit the pin through the outer section, and then through the center section (that has the collar). Next you hammer the pin down, through the resistance of the collar in the center section; the collar is engaged and the pin moves on through to the other outer section. Since the two outer sections have a small diameter hole than the collar, the collar can never pass through the outer holes, and will thus hold the pin in place.
Yes, that is exactly it. I am glad that the video was helpful.
Thanks for that comment. I didn't know where the collars went. They just flew out when I removed the pins. The video was of no use in that respect.
I didn't realize I pushed the collars out till I saw the video 😂. Thanks for the info regarding the holes near the arrows being bigger!
THANK YOU! You helped me so much!!!
Pin & Collar bracelets were invented by a sadist who hated humanity. All watch fans should curse his existence.
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That sounds about right. I can't think of worse system.
It takes five minutes to understand it, and another five minutes to add a link to a bracelet. Next time even less.
Sized a Citizen BJ7111 with a titanium band with collars today and thanks to this clip i used one of those inexpensive pin presses sold on amazon and it went very smooth. With the press it pushes the pins out in a straight line and the collars remain in the links.
Thanks for the heads up and saving me the aggravation.
Thanks for watching, and I am glad that the video was helpful.
I received a new Citizen for Christmas that was slightly too large. After removing the first two pins, I was surprised and confused when the little collars dropped into my trey. Id never dealt with them before. It took me a little searching to find a "how to" vid because I didn't know what I was dealing with. I thought they were a spacer of some kind. I understand the process now, but Id rather deal with the old school pins. The tiny collars are a pain in the ass to deal with.
Congratulations on the new watch. I am glad that my video was helpful, and yes I agree, I'd rather have the old split pins, or screw pins. Some brands have better pin and collar systems, but not my preferred system.
You should also use a microfiber cloth underneath your working area so the pins and or collars don’t roll away .
That is a good idea, thanks for suggesting it.
That is a BRILLIANT idea! Gotta love YT comments section. I have learned more useful information on so many different topics that its like being a tradesman apprentice and even master's level college subjects!
Super helpful. Thanks so much for sharing.
Thank you, I am glad that the video was helpful.
When trying to squeeze the collar that you had stretched open I'm just wondering if it would have been helpful to slip it onto one of your pin extracting tools and then use the needle nose pliers to squeeze it back into shape. Having it slipped over the pin end of the correct size tool would have acted as a size guide and prevented narrowing it too much. Just a thought.
That is a really good idea. I wish I would have thought about that before I did what I did with it.
I feel your pain, Kevin! This is why I avoid pin and collar bracelets.
I think if I size a few more of these, I will become more OK with it. Just need to remember to use the smaller punch.
I bought an Omega seamaster 300m the screws were so tight I took it to a watch maker and he used a torch to heat up the locktight and break that seal to size the bracelet. The screws were unbelievably tight.
Wow, that would be very frustrating. I have only had problems with the screws on a microbrand watch, I bent the tip of my screw driver trying to unscrew it. I forgot what the brand is by now though.
@@WrongTimeWatch I found out later i could have put the bracelet in boiling water to break the locktight seal,lol
Man I HATE pin and collar bracelets! Dealing with resizing some bracelets now with this system and it can be so frustrating!
I agree, and these things are so tiny and easy to loose.
Fml, I didn't even know there was...whatever those are in between the pins and the link
It explains so much I have failed myself for not looking further into this
Well, I hope the video was at least helpful. I have heard that if you reach out to Seiko, they can provide you with some extra collars.
Thanks for the video! I think I made a similar mistake and this was helpful.
That is good to hear. I am glad that it helped.
Got in touch with citizen to see if the pin and collar was in stock needed one of each, 40.00 quoted yeah have a word
That is crazy expensive and ridiculous.
Thank you Kevin! I have problems with bracelets anyway. Hope I can find out the right ways to handle them. Save your video
Thank you. Next time I plan to use a thinner punch, and will be extra careful when handling the pins and collars so I don't lose one.
Wish I’d watched this before starting on a Citizen titanium bracelet. I’m wondering if cotters could work as replacements.
If you are talking about the friction or split pins, I suppose that could work if you found the right size. Probably better off to find replacement pins and collars.
You can go to a Seiko authorized dealer and they can order these collars for you or you can contact Seiko directly to order replacement collars .
Can also contact Long Island Watch and get some.
Damn, $8.99 for one. Might be more expensive then gold that for that tiny piece of metal.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will have to check that out.
i got that kit. hardest bracelet i ever sized is my zodiac super sea wolf 53 diver
Does the Zodiac super sea wolf 53 diver also have the pin and collar system?
@@WrongTimeWatch yes its a 3 piece
Is 0.8mm pin pusher fine?
I either used my 0.7 or 8.0 mm pin pusher. They are not marked and close in size. I first used my thickest pusher which is 1.0 mm, and that was too thick.
Yeah pin and collar not my fave. My new Tag Heuer GMT has this system. Luckly, I have mastered it through the years BUT I still don't prefer it.
I just need to remember to use a smaller diameter punch next time. I am getting better at it, but I do have a couple more bracelets to size.
Timely video considering Seiko coming into the limelight these days
Thank you
Happend to me😢 i was not carefully now the pin slips through. I ve sent to the Jewelry I bought the watch to repair
It is not something that I thought was possible. Well, I learned my lesson, and hopefully this video can help others as well.
@@WrongTimeWatch me too. Wished I would have see this video earlier. But as you said, lesson learned. Hope jewelry watch experts can fix it.
The first thing I do when I get a Seiko watch is discard the Bracelet. Pin and collar is not worth the aggravation.
That is a bummer. I have been thinking about this topic lately actually, I don't believe that Seiko has made a single good strap or bracelet.
Maybe rolling it gently with a piece of flat piece of anything hard will help?
That might work, however I think it greatly increases the odds of losing it. I would have ben a little more gentle with the pliers.
Those are not vise grips , those are definitely channel locks fyi.
Good point, it is funny what I mean to say vs what I actually say on video.
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I don't know what this is, but thanks for watching.