My cheap Ferrari 308 does have a major engine problem...
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- For months I was suspecting oil in the water.. it turns out it was water in the oil. The Influenzo, my much loved Ferrari 308 throws a big challenge my way. One of the heads is cracked.
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24. ua-cam.com/video/RREy95ExOug/v-deo.html Repairing the cracked head on my cheap Ferrari 308!
25. ua-cam.com/video/ODQRPRtLA1M/v-deo.html Ferrari 308 cylinder head is scrap!! Please help me get the InfluEnzo back on the road
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Never seen somebody so happy about finding a cracked head in a Ferrari
I cannot imagine ever being relieved to find a crack in my vintage Ferrari's cylinder head! You are amazingly resilient. Good luck, keep the video's coming.
Since the coolant is not leaking into the combustion chambers, is is worth trying some coolant additive ? It's a quick and cheap method, and it might work. Gte the best stuff you can find and give it a go.
My guess for the poor performance would be cam timing - has the belt slipped?
@@nikjames2965 Did that once many years ago on my modified and so cherished Datsun 510. Can you spell DISASTER ? I do.
Clogged ALL the cooling system. My faithful and friend mechanic went "Who's the knockhead that did that ? Not YOU ? "
Aaaah, yes... Angry eyes from Norm. Hours of taking apart the engine and flushing, rinsing, acid , rinsing...
Never, ever again.
That's because there are many far worse alternatives. It's a whole mindset kind of thing
@@nikjames2965 he's been there checked that in a previous video.
Damn. That’s rotten luck. Don’t forget to check everywhere for that feeler gauge nut though! Be a shame to get it all back together then find it in one of the rear bank cylinders...
This is the channel for sadists who love Ferraris.
Sadists who love cars I’d say. Not particularly a Ferrari lover, but I really like Jack’s style/channel so I keep coming back :)
@@tond2006 Precisely... all cars. Came here to post the same but, you saved me doing that. I also enjoy someone's UA-cam featuring his MG Montego or Lambo
May have missed it, but...
DID YOU LOCATE AND REMOVE THAT LOST FEELER GAUGE NUT?
Well known saying. Lost Nuts Matter...Ask any gelding.....👀...😉
Masochists?
@@karstentopp bore off
The guy who sold it to you really did win the lottery.
It’s great content. I think Number27 will be the ultimate winner.
@@malcholden5357 Ultimately we are the real winners
Had the same issue with my 190SL and ended up welding the head. Not cheap (mainly labour, not the workshop that did the welding itself) but now runs like a dream. Keep smiling Jack and remember once that's done you'll have a well sorted car
This is when the Porsche owners say “sorry to hear that...I’m off for a drive” and Ferrari owners say “ but it has soul and anyway I like working on it in -2 degrees and driving is soooo overrated”.
*laughs in IHS bearings and porous engine castings*
@@user-sy1ed9ex5m IMS
That might be true in general for older Porsches and Ferraris, but the 308 is meant to be pretty solid, and newer Ferraris are apparently very good too.
A fancy Fiat
Cylinder bore scoring has left the chat
You deserve more subscribers . its a good channel , I love your positive attitude.
Higgins yelling “ Oh My God, what happened to the Ferrari!”
Every tine I start fooling around with an engine I always wish I had pulled the motor and worked on it outside of the car - every engine job is then easy.
Mid engined ferraris are definitely built with lifting the body off the engine/rear subframe assemblies using a two or four post lift in mind when it comes to major services.
I watched a video on youtube...A woman that has one of these cars...The heads have tight clearance with the head bolts or studs and are hard to get off. They had to cut the head off in sections with a hack saw. While I admire your courage to take on this repair if it's just minor leak maybe try some high quality stop leak and enjoy driving the car. Good luck 🙂
Despite the ensuing headaches it is always a good feeling to find the source of a leak. Was constantly loosing coolant on my Mini Cooper S and was so pleased when I found the pin-prick hole rubbed in a hose buried in the engine bay.
That's the heaven's punishment for putting "cheap" and "Ferrari" in the same sentence. A Ferrari for definition can never be truly cheap. If apparently cheap, things are going to go really wrong, and soon. However, deep respect for putting your hands into that engine: you need a lot of knowledge and confidence to do that... and succeed.
Yes, it is obvious that even if the car looks the first move would be to disassemble it and to check every component. It is a long and exhausting work, but in the end you have a car that works.
Anyway, with such a small space and without professional tools it is clear that the best strategy is trying to solve the problems when they first appear. (And who could resist the temptation to drive a Ferrari?)
Also, the Influenzo thing, he's racking up the bad karma...
I know the feeling, having a problem that you can't diagnose is worse than finding out you have a serious engine problem. At least you know what to do now. I would have thought a cracked cylinder head would lose you some power.
Oh and I hate those feeler gauges, had them fall apart on me before. But at least by chance it has helped you find the issue.
Power would not be down if the leak is only on the cylinder water jacket - however your correct, you would lose power if it was leaking into the combustion chamber, but the pressure would have been low when Jack tested the cylinders.👍
You'll lose some power when the water mixes with the oil. Eventually all of it !!
Depending where the crack is... To combustion chamber maybe, but that's oil gallery to coolant chamber. Could increase temperature of oil and coolant.
The lack of power is simply age... Only a rebuild can catch it back if its at this point... Seek professional help while it's apart and get it all crack tested and checked for warping etc...
Ingenious backyard engineering!!
And it WORKED!!!
NOW all you need to do is to create a jury-rig system to suspend the engine (or car!) upside-down and shake it until that nut falls out!!
You now you are in trouble when your most reliable car is a Lotus.
Know..
I ve pissed on my trousers :D
slap forehead , bent over laughing... ;-)
LotsOfTroubleUsuallySerious (LOTUS)
A Lotus, yes, but with a Toyota engine.
Never seen anyone been so happy about a cracked head.. :) Great find!
I thought I was the only one to have bad luck with things disappearing. Hoping that screw/nut is just resting somewhere out of sight. Got to admire your ‘can do’ perseverance. I’m thoroughly enjoying your adventure with the Influenzo! Thank you for posting, warts and all.
It’s a simple equation Jack unfortunately,
Bad luck equals good content 😂
Keep pushing, really great to see someone tackle these problems in the real world.
Thanx so much for sharing the journey, no matter the difficulty.
You have "ALL" our moral support
I've heard that over time alloy softens so it would only take a slight overheating or a stress facture or weakness in the alloy to potentially cause the crack that occurred
That'll be a call and trip to Mr Tyrrell then!
The 2-3k will stretch to 5-7k at Mr Tyrrell, I would recommend if it is absolutely no solution
He's not posted for a while..... love his channel
@@mohnnadmercedes8246 Iain's team does low budget jobs too. And Jack would have a proper running car at last.
It's not a Lamborghini V12.. Any half decent engine shop could sort that one out.
@@mikeg8835 He's abroad.
These are the joys (I use the word joy light heartedly) of owning an old exotic sports car. Prices are astronomical, replacement parts are very hard to find and to carry out the work is very difficult and time consuming. In saying this it is so satisfying when its all completed and running perfectly. GOOD LIUCK!
Dude! We are all rooting for you here! Don’t give up
Such a beautiful car. I've always hankered after a 308 and come perilously close to indulging on more than one occasion. But over the last year this channel has acted like virtual therapy sessions... and I think I've been cured. Thank you!
No way…they’re the best. All of these issues could be sorted by a professional within a few weeks. I had mine done that way and it runs like a dream. It is the most fun car I’ve ever driven and I’ve driven all of them.
I’m no master welder, but I would expect that for sure that can be mended.
If you’re feeling really cheap, you could try widening the crack with a Dremel tool and then fill it with JB weld. I’ve done it. It works. No, I’m not proud.
It's amazing how car owners just think of throwing stuff. Tell a TIG welder he can't fill a hole.
JB weld is good stuff, I’ve repaired a fist sized hole in a motorcycle crankcase with card and JB weld, it lasted a year, and was still holding but the gearbox failed.
I expect that was caused by the coolant being to weak & the car left out in freezing weather. Water freezing in the block will crack the head like that but usually the cylinder head is ok & it's the external jacket that splits.
I realize the Influenzo has been a constant pain for you, but it makes for great entertainment. I truly appreciate your "labor of love". I even watch all of the damn adverts so you can keep dumping money into that Italian beauty!
OMG I'm so sorry for this crack! But what an amazing way to discover the crack without a proper pressurizer. Actually a proper pressurizer is just a bicycle pump anyway that fits onto the coolant spout. Hopefully a shop can repair or you'll be able to get a replacement head!
I am honestly loving this channel. I'm feeling your frustration with the 308 but as they say... LOTUS (Loads Of Trouble Usually Serious). Good luck buddy !!!!
Jeez, watching this makes me feel lucky to have a non starting XJ6 in my garage.
Did you find the nut from the feeler gauge?
🤫 (that will guarantee we’ll get 5 more episodes - at least!)
EMP Laser welding have the capability to repair damaged Al castings.
Well worth a call.
Had a block saved thanks to their competent and effective process
They are the guys I was in touch with! It’s going to them if can ever get it out!!
Sorry for your troubles here. It is such a shame, but this has been my experience with old Italian vehicles. To your credit, you have such a positive attitude towards this, I hope in the end it comes good.
Glad you found the problem, mate. You're a braver man than I am tackling it in your garage on your own though! Hope all goes to plan and that you actually get the best result you can from the experience. You certainly deserve it by now!
I really love your enthusiasm Jack - I’m sure you’ll get there in the end 🤔🤞
Mate!...Jack...your probably the only guy that can such positive...out of a potential disaster...wow....kudo`s to you ....your a real battler!
A good engineer will be able to sort the crack, especially with it being a classic car. Gives you a chance to take off the heads and inspect them, inspect the valves/guides and re lap, re-new the valve stem oil seals, skim heads etc. I have had cars in the past that have had niggling power problems that i just could not get to the bottom of. However when i took the cylinder head/s off, and ironed out a number of minor issues in the process, they just went very well afterwards. Sometimes you never get to find or expose a problem like we have all dreamed of, but correcting a lot of minor things that you WILL find when you go through the heads may just sort it. Good luck on your journey my friend x
I'm not sure I'm getting notifications about all the videos. Just watched this epic installment, but thought the previous one was the latest. Will eagerly wait for the outcome of this project! Thank you Jack.
Thanks David.. hopefully next out soon!
So far as the disaster channel thing... embrace it. One of the best channels out there is Hoovie's garage... nothing but disasters, automotive and financial. T-shirts, stickers. When you do find the feeler gauge parts, first get a new one and either JB Weld the parts permanently together or peen the nut and screw so they can't be loosened. OR put them all on a loop of solid core wiring for the home and twist. I've had to find a piece of metal the size of a grain of sand that broke away when I snapped a drill bit working on an aircraft. AND prove that it was the piece by fitting it to the other pieces. Persistence and a couple hours later I had it. All of our tools had to be inspected several times for even one use, every time. It took me over a year to figure out a no start on one of my cars, one bank of cams wasn't spinning but the pulley was and looked otherwise fine, timing marks matched up, this did not trip a code since it was not the bank with sensors. So I've been there.
The missing nut from the feeler gauges is probably in the sump.
I once had a piston circlip ping off while fitting it. The crank-case was well-stuffed with rags, so it could not have got in there. Checked the engine, no, not there. Several times. Searched the workshop top to bottom, no sign of it anywhere. Finally found it in the bottom of the crank case, and pulled it out with a magnet.
Not really on topic but loving the vintage RC cars in the background . Loving what your doing on the channel nice to see someone brave doing all this in a single garage
Thanks Steve!
Even when it’s becoming “the disaster channel” you stay upbeat and persevere - inspiration that it’s part of the “fun” of an older car. 👍🏻
I feel your pain, in saying that I do enjoy your channel and the positivity that I always feel, it will be ok, a bit of pain but it will be ok in the end.
Regarding your lack of power at the top end - My Mondial suffered from a similar issue, and I replaced both of my ignition caps and rotors and that solved the issue.
I've really enjoyed the roller coaster ride with this car, keep up the great work!
Gutted for you ☹️ love how you keep so upbeat about it all. Looking forward to seeing it all fixed though.
Bought a Fiat 130 once, the one with the Ferrari designed 3.2 V6 for nearly nothing as a gamble. The engine was going tap, tap, tap and didn't sound good at all. Took one head off and found a tiny nut that had fallen off of the carburetor ! Were a few little pockmarks and scratches, but decided to just refit the cylinder head. Car ran like a dream for three years until we sold it. Just lucky the nut was tiny. True story.
Jack not only are you a genius but also I admire you 110% commitment to this Classic Ferrari 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Cobbled together home engineering and all done in your jim jams. Top man.
You're going to let this snowball, LOL. Six or eight months ago, I decided I was going to fix the driver's window in my NSX because I was tired of the wind noise on the highway. Pulled the door apart. Found more damage, actually quite a lot internally. Decided it needed to be fixed professionally, so I took it to the body shop with the thought that I could fix that and have the bumpers redone. Body shop convinced me to do a bit more. Got it back from them, it looked okay, but weird because a lot of the car looked great but some of it was worn, sooooo we did it all again for a full respray. Got it back a few weeks ago and it is beautiful, though. Finally got it together and out for a test drive yesterday, and thankfully, the wind noise is all gone, LOL.
You’re building a hoopty fleet, it’s like watching a uk version of Hoovies garage.
All joking aside I admire your tenacity with this, keep putting out the content, it’s very enjoyable and fun to watch
Hats off to your innovation, but after you fix the head and with all the other repairs you have to be awfully thankful that it's all being paid for with this goddamn Channel!
Imagine how boring these videos would be if he bought cars that actually worked 😂😂
Note to self: don't buy an old Ferrari
I hate to agree with you but I do......
I really really wanted this chap to have a good experience and defy traditional wisdom.
But, it just seems like he has problem after problem and whilst a degree of hassle with an older car is inevitable, I wonder if the love is starting to wane.....
@@johnmandragon4830 But he’s probably saved several of us from embarking on a similar painful journey...😎
unless it's going to be a resto-mod.
This is just for fun, it wasn't supposed to be a serious champagne ferrari for lemonade money project to begin with, it was just a diary of what you get with a 30k ferrari, loads of money coming in from the subs ( deservedly so, dosent seem to go to work so must be doing alright) buying other projects, the infuenzo dosent have to work, it's just something he does now, pressures off, he can't lose. He is a very clever man.
It’s not so much the age but the history. This 308 was purchased as a car that would need work. He bought it unseen and for relatively little money
These in very good condition go for £60k+ up to £90k. There are two on Autotrader for £130k.
So as expected a £30k (I think that was what he paid) is the bottom end.
Hi jack, I love your content, your enthusiasm and positive feedback despite the issues, you remain calm and very willing for it to be repaired,keep going and look forward to seeing the finished project.
Oh boy. The upside for us is some very interesting videos. Good luck.
If it's any consolation, my first proper engine strip down (well since being a teenager) was a 1000cc motorcycle engine on a gravel driveway with no garage or shed. Regrinding valves (20 of them) in my living room etc. It can be disheartening but a Ferrari engine is still 'just' an engine. Access is probably a pain in the bum for manifolds etc but it'll be rewarding when it's done. I ended up doing a head gasket change twice outdoors in the space of a few months (due to a mistake by me). It's very rewarding once you've finished the job though.
I don't think you're going to be "happy" until you've has that engine out and checked over to your satisifaction, in the long run it might prove to be the better option and you can address any other issues you may have as well as finding that bolt from the feeler gauge. At the very least you'll know it's running properly, I'll say one thing you're the most upbeat presenter on UA-cam so keep up the good work
Hello Jack, the car as become a nightmare,hope you fix it.
It as become a lesson to me, to see that you didn't lose the "faith" on it as well.
"Every major success is built on a solid bedrock of previous failures".
Cheers and stay safe from Covid
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The head seems always a nightmare to take of the bottom. There is plenty topics on Ferrarichat about that. You would finally save time taking the engine out. Good luck and stay safe.
A friend busted his radiator and kept driving his F430 Spider "it was just a little bit of steam, didn't think it was serious". He drove till the engine seized up, ignoring the warning lights. He managed to get a new engine out of the insurance company. His old unserviceable engine is now (has been since about 2008) a coffee table at a South London Ferrari Maserati Service Centre! Rumor has it that offers over £20K have been turned down!!
So on the bright side you have the makings of a very cool coffee table.
Alex. Just saw your video as i moved house. Was a great presentation. How you keep positive and focused is amazing.. You will get the red fezza working well for sure
Greetings Jack. Wishing Both You and Your Family Good Health
Glad to hear you found someone to repair the Cracked Head.
Boy I know the Feeling when everything seems not to be working Right
Keep the Faith. We Are All in Your Corner.
Speak to Scott (Ratarossa) and Mr Tyrell.
Cheers Carlyle
crack that small can be done with standard tig welding,done a few tvr heads clamped to a solid face to prevent distortion.
dye test crack drill both ends of it and crack on.
Bless u Jack, thats an unpleasant surprise....Your engineering knowledge is becoming quite in-depth...at this rate, u will be opening your own 308 Indi workshop :) Found that stupid gauge nut yet? (crazy design. bearing in mind where it will be used!)
Great improvisation with the pump. And a good spot seeing that crack. Rewind back to the tappet shim thickness mod...........you should never sand down a tappet shim in an attempt to reduce it's thickness. Buy the correct shim, they are cheap for what they are. Sanding it down (even on glass) not only reduces the case hardening thickness (which is critically important on the valve stem side), you also loose the parallelism of the faces. This will cause the bucket to cockle in its bore causing premature wear. Please replace that shim before driving the car again. Especially if it's on your good head.
Using a bicycle pump to to fix a Ferrari....okaaaaaaaay.
It worked.
When you have the heads off. Do some DiY porting [inlet,exhaust] and skim the heads. Did it myself on my Alfa 156 and it feels like a different car. I am sure you can find some good info on this. Good Luck and be Happy.
Good innovation on that pump!
Honestly, just put it back together, put some head gasket seal crap in it and enjoy it. It went fine before.
If you're gonna pull the head you may as well pull the whole engine out, do it on a stand and rebuild the whole thing.
I'm liking the positive energy Jack. Good going buddy!
Lot's of positives, great fault finding, peace of mind and lot's more great content for us viewers!
Maybe a colab' with Ratorossa on the process?
Just hope the news on the Lotus is not too bad!
He’s too busy with his 512 but I’m hopefully going to pop in and see him!
Love everything about this channel and your journey with the Influenzo!!!
Don't know if you can get them over there but Quickjacks are a huge help for raising and lowering the car frequently. Like a mini lift.
You're a better amateur mechanic than I am but one thing I've learned is that sometimes more disassembly and trouble up front is actually easier than trying to sneak things through holes that aren't really big enough. No idea how bad tilting the engine would actually be, but something to consider.
Good luck!!!!
Jack, that car is going to make you end up in Littlemore Hospital!!!
Italian cars you HAVE to love them or it’s just not worth the trouble! I removed and installed the forward exhaust manifold TWICE in situ (a must if your removing the engine). Once on my GT4 and once on my GTS. You MUST get a wretched extension of at least 18 inch length (I actually used a 12” extension in combination with a 6”). Highly recommend 1/4” drive not 3/8” as the 1/4” allows just that much more clearance. You’ll need all the clearance you can get. Finally, and very importantly, you need a 13mm socket with an integral universal joint (1/4” drive of course). A standard 13mm socket attached to a separate universal will not work. That’s how tight the clearance is. I did the job twice (plus install) with my cars on jacket stands, so it can be done without a lift (my last install was with my GTS on my lift and it was much easier!). Good luck.
Definitely my favourite channel on UA-cam. Keep up the good work and good luck 👍
Oh boy, you do have some bad luck. Looking forward to watching your progress - hope it goes well!
Wow! At least you solved the mystery of the coolant.
Well, if nothing else we will be here cheering you on....good luck. Cheers, Tush
Wow! I sincerely feel your pain. If anything your channel proves the old adage 'there is no such thing as a cheap Ferrari!' . I have learned decades ago that any sport car or exotic needs to be put through a proper 'pre-purchase inspection' by an independent specialist or else.
Honestly, if I were you and depending on your love for the car and deep pockets I would stop now, pull the motor out and consider a complete rebuild so that you can have a proper base point going forward instead of going down a path of unknown mine fields, just my advice. Oh and BTW you never never grind or sand a lash pad to fit, in doing so you are removing the hardened surface and weaken it prematurely! All the best.
Did you ever find the feeler gauge screw/nut? I was freaking out watching you start the car not knowing if it was still inside.
I don't know why but I think it was already cracked when you bought it , I also think that it's great you found it , the engine
is good , you found a problem that could have gotten much worse with time and you know where you stand now! All things
great Jack , cheer up buddy buddy ;-)
That feeler gauge nut is what nightmares are made of,find it before you start in case it ends up somewhere really bad! Good luck 😉
I understand your joy. Cheap option to have it welded. Good luck.
No doubt there are constraints involved, but if this were me I would be removing both cylinder heads rather than just one. If the engine has good compression making sure both heads are pressure-tested, cleaned and overhauled, will ensure you are starting with a long engine that is known to be in good health. Not only is this better longer term for your sanity, it also means you can completely eliminate the engine internals as a source of your top-end performance issues. A compression test is done at cranking speed, and whilst it is a good indication of health it doesn't guarantee that when the engine is hot and at higher RPMs the engine has the compression needed to perform at the top-end. Best of luck with it!
Things can only get better Jack, good luck matey.
Love your dedication to attempt such a task with limited facilities, and I would run with the meme that the head was cracked when you bought it, that’s immensely more manageable in terms of rationalising the problem as far as the brain goes. Well done 👍
Good old Influenzo, it's a veritable gold mine of interesting UA-cam videos😁.
Each and every time I consider buying an exotic, like a Ferrari or Lamborghini I always take into consideration the upkeep cost. I drive a car for performance and that's why I drive a C5 ZO6! And I get a compliment each and every day I'm out with my car and I am convinced it is because of how I set up the suspension. I set it up lower in the rear for that exotic look and It truly looks menacing!
It is okay to wear your pajamas in the garage! That's one thing I learned. The other is, be sure to have the surroundings for a project like this. This garage is suitable for a motorcycle.
I had something similar on an Alfa Romeo Bialbero Engine. The previous owner didn't put enough anti freeze in the coolant. Unfortunately welding didn't work that good, because the crack went too far into the spark plug hole, and the spark of the welding machine was dancing around!
You can try to fix it with that liquid metal compound stuff! A friend of mine used it after the head cracked because the cylinder head bolts holes haven't been blown out, it seems to hold quite well!
I still think your problem is the ignition anticipation mechanism in the distributor ☝🏽
Did you find the missing screw from your feeler gauge? 🤓
Love the Kyosho vintage RC's in the background.
Oh dear, I watched all the advertisements! You will be a bit of a 308 expert after all this.
Thanks David!!
Admire your patience and optimism
Damn.....joint video with Ratarossa?? Keep up the good work, great problem solving......we've all been there.
Very clever troubleshooting! Good job!
That was a roller coaster lol. Glad there was some good news for you. All the best.
I know the feeling when you find a problem with your car...it’s weirdly very satisfying. At least you have some great content for your channel. Good luck mate.