@@ThekiBoran The yankees were already getting too old. It was not the same team. Not the caliber of that late 90s team. 2001 was the last year of the great run that started in the mid-90s. The end of an era!
@@ricomajestic So what? That stolen base by Roberts was probably the greatest stolen base in the history of baseball. How many other stolen bases are as memorable? Henderson surpassing Cobb then Brock come to mind. Any others?
@@ricomajestic Here's that steal by Roberts. The evil Yankees were leading 3 games to 0 and in game 4 leading 4 to 3 in the bottom of the 9th and they choked. I'm not a Redsox fan but like all good baseball fans I do have the proper amount of hatred for the evil empire. ua-cam.com/video/EMEylcp7E7s/v-deo.html
Joe Torre was a fantastic manager in the early years. They had fire, pitching, played small ball, stole bases, hit home runs, was a lot of fun to watch. Joe had complete control of the team. Unfortunately the Yankee organization have never trusted their managers. They never trusted Torre, Girardi, or Boone. Thank you Mr Torre for the memories. Top notch.
They trust Boone because Boone is just a puppet whose strings they control. This is why they didn’t hire anyone else who had managerial experience, so far it’s looking like a lousy hire.
Him more than anyone, but there were others. Randy Levine is a businessman who works in a baseball capacity. He has no feel for the game or its nuances. He is impersonal, dispassionate, and has no business working in the Yankee front office having input on baseball decisions.
Yes he should. He's more a business man or politician type. He has no feel for the game, and probably resents the fact you can't manage a sports team the way you would a business or a political office. In that sense he's a perfect embodiment of Steinbrenner. George could never accept and always resented that baseball was/is a business that requires a specific acumen, one that takes years and years to develop.
While Torre was a good manager, I have no sympathy for him. He got millions a year to manager and for long enough. It wasn't Levine, Cashman or anyone else to blame.
Joe how could you let RedSox pitchers hit us hit us hit us all those years and not retaliate or brush back Papi etc shameful you played with Gibson ! i could never understand that
In 2007 the yankees made the playoffs but they didn't have a good team that year to many injuries. Also A-Roid won the MVP. Carl Pavano, Mike Mussina had injuries. Roger Clemens was just done with his career.
Torre wrote in his book that Pavano essentially faked injuries for 3 years and never showed up to team events, just stayed home and collected a paycheck.
The 2007 team was fully expected from day one to win the world series. But they got off to a horrible start and though they ended up winning the season series from the redsox they spent the whole year trying to catch them and the pressure after blowing the alcs to them in 2004 amped up the pressure on torre since that happened on his watch.
Yankees clearly didn’t want him back, can’t guarantee him he wouldn’t get fired during the year and knowing it would be his last? Yeah they wanted no part of him and knew he would decline the offer
Even though he missed out on a 5th WS, it was probably best he left. Team was getting old and they were getting away a bit from some of the older core players from the early 2000s teams. Sometimes teams want to bring a younger coach who younger players feel understands them. Also Arod still felt a type of way after Torre put him in the bottom of the order during the previous year's playoffs. Even though it was the right move, players of ARods caliber, who were always the best at every level feel like it;s a disrepect to not have them high in the order even if they go 0 for 30. One of my cousins was a phenomenal player in high school. One of the best I've ever seen. He once told me that he switched high schools after sophomore year and his new team batted him 7th the first game and he said he was so mad he almost left. I told him I understand where his coach came from. You want to use the players you already have some trust for at least at first and depending how the first few games go then he should make the necessary changes. Of course my cousin said after the 2nd game of the season he was back at the top of the order. My cousin was nowhere near the player ARod was, so imagine how ARod felt in his 11th season after multiple 40+ homerun seasons and multiple MVPs. Not saying it's right to feel that way, but just saying.
He said it was the worst year *professionally* for him. Torre grew up with an abusive father, had to cope with losing his brothers Frank and Rocco, and had testicular cancer. I'd say he's been through worse than most.
When Torre lost Zimmer as bench coach he was exposed. Torre was great at keeping the team even keeled and shepherding big personalities through the year. He was not a great X's and O's guy. I blame him for 2001 lost world series and 2004 against red sox. When it came to playoff time he stopped trusting his bullpen and only used Rivera and one other guy like a Tanyon Sturze - he burned them out. And I screamed at the TV in 2001 when he had the infield in in the 9th with Rivera on the mound. The only hits Rivera gave up then were flares off the fist. If Jeter was even with the bag he'd have caught Gonzalez's flare.
Give me a break! This guy had the top salary of any manager in MLB. Not only that, it was DOUBLE the 2nd highest paid mgr! So for that kind of money, you had better win and win every year. If you don't, you'll be on the hot seat. Steinbrenner had no problem paying the price, but he wanted results every year. If Torre felt George and the situation was too stressful, he should've just quit. But he didn't; he just whined about it. I wonder if he was whining when the monthly checks from the Yankees showed up in his mailbox? I'm thinking he toughed it out and deposited them, lol.
The Yankees were cursed from stealing Alex Rodriguez from the Red Sox. Yanks didnt win again until A-rod and others got on the juice while the Red Sox won 2 World Series despite losing out on A-rod.
The Yankees and their fans have never been the same seem they greatest choke in sports history. Four days in October. They lost their swagger and the rest of the country loves it.
And they still are almost guaranteed to make the playoffs every. If the most other teams had the run the Yankees have from 07 to now they would be really happy
@@dfgccgggff7963 I would think when you outspend nearly every team in the league yes you should be able to have a good team. Its been a long time since the Yankees have won a title. I wish MLB would put in a salary cap so the team where all more competitive. I am not a Tampa Bay fan but they have had good team with the payroll a third of the Yankees.
Scott Gibson Jesus Christ, man. Could you be anymore of a hater? Yankee haters love to say Yankee fans live in the past but yet here you are with a clear vendetta against them because they probably used to slap your team around 20 years ago. Get over it. Also this anti-large payroll propaganda needs to stop. Until a moneyball team wins the WS there’s no argument. The A’s fold in the first round of the playoffs every year. The Rays have been close, but always run out of gas. And it’s never been about how much money you spend, it’s about how you spend it. The Yankees could offer me $25M and I would take it, but I would be awful. Something needs to be said about the ability to put the together the right combination of players. And are we just going to forget about the home grown players that were key to the Yankees’ success year after year? I’m so sorry the Yankees had to pay those players to retain them as well.
Torre took way too much of the bum rap and made the fall guy in New York instead of Cashman for the last 4 years of Yankees Teams he managed. George Steinbrenner after the Yankees won 4 World Series went back to his stupid post-1978 to 1990 ways again before he was banned in 1990 firing Staff after the 2000 World Series that wasn't any problem in the Organization then let Cashman have more and more control with his garbage analytics resulting in one World Series Appearance after 2003
Because he had the greatest closer in the history of MLB, with a 1 run lead in Game 7 of the World Series. Rivera just picked the wrong time to blow a save.
Joe Shannon actually if you watch it, Rivera did everything right but baseball is unpredictable and they managed to hit Rivera. If you don’t believe me, look at baseball bits featuring Chapman and Rivera.
And why he had the infield play in. Same situation in Texas earlier in the playoffs with Rivera in, the bases loaded less than 2 outs, and the game on the line. Hits against Rivera are so often little flares.. with or without breaking their bats.
89.1% of the time that was the right choice to make. That game still hurts 18 years later, I get it, but in that case you cant question someone for relying on Rivera.
The Yankees made Joe Torre, not the other way around. I really like Torre and think he's a class act but does anyone really think they wouldn't have won all those World Series between 96-2000 if Showalter, Hargrove or Piniella wasn't the manager? I mean seriously, how hard is it to fill out a lineup with all stars all over the field, then hand the ball to either Wells, Clemens, Pettitte, Cone, Mussina, Key and then hand it to Mo to finish off the game? Love Torre but I think he got a bit too full of himself and stuck around 2-3 years too long. Ditto with Girardi.
Keena Eh, there are other managers who have done far less with more talent. You're correct in saying that Torre inehrited a great team after Showalter was fired, but Torre was still a crucial figure. What about Bobby Cox? Three Hall of Fame starting pitchers, a Hall of Fame third baseman, Fred McGriff, Andruw Jones, etc., and the Braves won just one championship during his tenure. With managers, it's about what they can get out of the talent they're given, regardless of the circumstances. Torre did a fine job.
Keena You are incredibly ignorant. First off, Mike Mussina was never on the team from ‘96-‘00. And he has never won a World Series so why would you mention him? Do more research on the ins and outs of each of their World Series winning seasons with Torre. He played a huge part. Especially ‘96.
Idiots don't realize that a good manager is crucial to the tone and culture of the team. It's not just xs and os. In baseball it's about managing pitchers and setting the culture. Torres was definitely critical in that way.
@@Tee-OhBee I didn't know a woman with a 168 IQ is "incredibly ignorant". I became a Branch Manager for Citibank at 21 years old, the youngest person to ever do that in the company's history and became a Regional Manager by 23 years old and make more money per year than you could ever dream of. I also speak four languages fluently. I also have forgotten more about Yankees history than you ever knew in the first place. As far as Mike Mussina goes, I don't recall ever saying he won a World Series in New York. Which is kind of my point. Even post 2000, the Yankees still had a great rotation that included Mike Mussina but Joe Torre couldn't win a World Series with him. Or as Mike McGrath calls him, "Joe Torres". I absolutely love Joe Torre and wish he could've won 2-3 more rings with the Yankees. But sometimes Managers become ineffective when they stick around too long, which Torre, oops, sorry Mike McGrath, "Torres" sort of did. I think he should've retired or even been fired after choking away that 3-0 Series lead in 2004 to the disgusting, POS, Boston Red Sox. That was the lowest moment for the Yankees in their otherwise glorious history and, ahem... Joe Torres was the one in charge. With all due respect to Mike McGrath of course!
I agree with you. Torre is really an overrated manager. He also managed the Mets, braves, Cardinals, and dodgers and never took any of those teams to the WS.
I likeed how he was always calmed in tough situations as a manager. You’re the man torre
Joe Torre is a Yankee Legend
2007 Yankees....still feeling the domino effects of 2004.
2004 was awesome. That stolen base by Dave Roberts could be the greatest stolen base in the history of baseball.
2004 Yankees was still feeling the effects of Gonzalez walk single in the 01 World Series!
@@ThekiBoran The yankees were already getting too old. It was not the same team. Not the caliber of that late 90s team. 2001 was the last year of the great run that started in the mid-90s. The end of an era!
@@ricomajestic
So what? That stolen base by Roberts was probably the greatest stolen base in the history of baseball. How many other stolen bases are as memorable? Henderson surpassing Cobb then Brock come to mind. Any others?
@@ricomajestic
Here's that steal by Roberts. The evil Yankees were leading 3 games to 0 and in game 4 leading 4 to 3 in the bottom of the 9th and they choked. I'm not a Redsox fan but like all good baseball fans I do have the proper amount of hatred for the evil empire.
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I never forget when Joe Torre left in 07 I was depressed he will always be my favorite Yankees manager of all time.
Joe Torre was a fantastic manager in the early years. They had fire, pitching, played small ball, stole bases, hit home runs, was a lot of fun to watch. Joe had complete control of the team. Unfortunately the Yankee organization have never trusted their managers. They never trusted Torre, Girardi, or Boone. Thank you Mr Torre for the memories. Top notch.
They trust Boone because Boone is just a puppet whose strings they control. This is why they didn’t hire anyone else who had managerial experience, so far it’s looking like a lousy hire.
@@jo3y_2.0 He definitely is a puppet
That's because the front office desires to run the show once the real Steinbrenner left the building @@chrisheffernan7540
Stupid people in New York blame the Manager way too for all the problems with their MLB Team instead of their GM, Front Office and Owner!
Something should till this day but cashmen wants the analytics
he looked miserable that season too
like he was checking out
One of the classiest men in sport.
Thanks for everything Joe.
just too bad he didn't win it with the dodgers...too bad we had a lousy owner ...mc nugget...but it was great to Have Joe Torre as a Dodgers Manager
As a Braves fan, I was just born when he managed in Atlanta, but man how he crushed us all those years later, much respect!
I've heard it was Randy Levine he couldn't stand. Many in New York have documented that!!!!
Him more than anyone, but there were others. Randy Levine is a businessman who works in a baseball capacity. He has no feel for the game or its nuances. He is impersonal, dispassionate, and has no business working in the Yankee front office having input on baseball decisions.
Randy Levine is a dick and should be fired
Yes he should. He's more a business man or politician type. He has no feel for the game, and probably resents the fact you can't manage a sports team the way you would a business or a political office. In that sense he's a perfect embodiment of Steinbrenner. George could never accept and always resented that baseball was/is a business that requires a specific acumen, one that takes years and years to develop.
While Torre was a good manager, I have no sympathy for him. He got millions a year to manager and for long enough. It wasn't Levine, Cashman or anyone else to blame.
Joe how could you let RedSox pitchers hit us hit us hit us all those years and not retaliate or brush back Papi etc shameful you played with Gibson ! i could never understand that
In 2007 the yankees made the playoffs but they didn't have a good team that year to many injuries. Also A-Roid won the MVP. Carl Pavano, Mike Mussina had injuries. Roger Clemens was just done with his career.
Torre wrote in his book that Pavano essentially faked injuries for 3 years and never showed up to team events, just stayed home and collected a paycheck.
@@TheLocalLt I read that to he was a baby
The 2007 team was fully expected from day one to win the world series. But they got off to a horrible start and though they ended up winning the season series from the redsox they spent the whole year trying to catch them and the pressure after blowing the alcs to them in 2004 amped up the pressure on torre since that happened on his watch.
Pathetic that they wouldn't guarantee him they wouldn't fire him that season.
That’s on Brian cashman
Yankees clearly didn’t want him back, can’t guarantee him he wouldn’t get fired during the year and knowing it would be his last? Yeah they wanted no part of him and knew he would decline the offer
A fan of Joe his last game as manager he batted a rod 7th or 8th in the lineup they lost that game he was done
That was his second to last season. 2006. 2007, ARod was MVP and wasn’t batting that low v CLE. Though he probably should’ve…
Even though he missed out on a 5th WS, it was probably best he left. Team was getting old and they were getting away a bit from some of the older core players from the early 2000s teams. Sometimes teams want to bring a younger coach who younger players feel understands them. Also Arod still felt a type of way after Torre put him in the bottom of the order during the previous year's playoffs. Even though it was the right move, players of ARods caliber, who were always the best at every level feel like it;s a disrepect to not have them high in the order even if they go 0 for 30.
One of my cousins was a phenomenal player in high school. One of the best I've ever seen. He once told me that he switched high schools after sophomore year and his new team batted him 7th the first game and he said he was so mad he almost left. I told him I understand where his coach came from. You want to use the players you already have some trust for at least at first and depending how the first few games go then he should make the necessary changes. Of course my cousin said after the 2nd game of the season he was back at the top of the order. My cousin was nowhere near the player ARod was, so imagine how ARod felt in his 11th season after multiple 40+ homerun seasons and multiple MVPs. Not saying it's right to feel that way, but just saying.
If only this could be the worst year of everyone's life.
He said it was the worst year *professionally* for him. Torre grew up with an abusive father, had to cope with losing his brothers Frank and Rocco, and had testicular cancer. I'd say he's been through worse than most.
@@timmysullivan2515 cry me a river! :,(
excellent manager Joe Torre
its so sad that it happened that .
How did he do with the Cards and Mets? With his ALL STAR lineups how could he lose?
You DIDN'T Answer my question! Sorry I didn't know Boggs, Strawberry, Tartabell and Sierra were home grown players.
Today, management tells the manager what pitch the pitcher should pitch.
That's why they got rid of Girardi and brought in a spineless jellyfish like Boone
A class act on and off the diamond!!!
2002 to 2008 Yankees were some weird teams
That’s when they went the “free agent” direction of buying super stars instead of drafting and developing.
When Torre lost Zimmer as bench coach he was exposed. Torre was great at keeping the team even keeled and shepherding big personalities through the year. He was not a great X's and O's guy. I blame him for 2001 lost world series and 2004 against red sox. When it came to playoff time he stopped trusting his bullpen and only used Rivera and one other guy like a Tanyon Sturze - he burned them out. And I screamed at the TV in 2001 when he had the infield in in the 9th with Rivera on the mound. The only hits Rivera gave up then were flares off the fist. If Jeter was even with the bag he'd have caught Gonzalez's flare.
JOE TORRES ES MEJOR MANAGER A NIVEL MUNDIAL APLAUSO A DICHO JEHOVA DIOS.
New York Yankees Legend.
I still remember when he managed the Braves in the early 80s. At the time I didn't know he had been such a great player.
And was the color guy for the Angels in the later half of the 80's.
Give me a break! This guy had the top salary of any manager in MLB. Not only that, it was DOUBLE the 2nd highest paid mgr! So for that kind of money, you had better win and win every year. If you don't, you'll be on the hot seat. Steinbrenner had no problem paying the price, but he wanted results every year. If Torre felt George and the situation was too stressful, he should've just quit. But he didn't; he just whined about it. I wonder if he was whining when the monthly checks from the Yankees showed up in his mailbox? I'm thinking he toughed it out and deposited them, lol.
The Yankees were cursed from stealing Alex Rodriguez from the Red Sox. Yanks didnt win again until A-rod and others got on the juice while the Red Sox won 2 World Series despite losing out on A-rod.
The Yankees live in your head rent free my guy. RENT-FREE BUTTER CUP
@@matiasmorales1130 LMAO how is it “rent free” if this was clearly a video ABOUT the Yankees. At least get the phrasing correct there bud.
@@zacwoods I’m referring to your comment bro not the video. There was no other curse except for the Bambino curse. FOH
But manny ramirez and david ortiz were caught using peds too LOL
to add insult to injury, the red sox won the world series in 2007. idk wtf the yankees were doing that year....
6 world series ! I love Joe but it was time to go!
The Yankees and their fans have never been the same seem they greatest choke in sports history. Four days in October. They lost their swagger and the rest of the country loves it.
They literally won a WS a few years after that
And they still are almost guaranteed to make the playoffs every. If the most other teams had the run the Yankees have from 07 to now they would be really happy
@@dfgccgggff7963 I would think when you outspend nearly every team in the league yes you should be able to have a good team. Its been a long time since the Yankees have won a title. I wish MLB would put in a salary cap so the team where all more competitive. I am not a Tampa Bay fan but they have had good team with the payroll a third of the Yankees.
Scott Gibson Jesus Christ, man. Could you be anymore of a hater? Yankee haters love to say Yankee fans live in the past but yet here you are with a clear vendetta against them because they probably used to slap your team around 20 years ago. Get over it. Also this anti-large payroll propaganda needs to stop. Until a moneyball team wins the WS there’s no argument. The A’s fold in the first round of the playoffs every year. The Rays have been close, but always run out of gas. And it’s never been about how much money you spend, it’s about how you spend it. The Yankees could offer me $25M and I would take it, but I would be awful. Something needs to be said about the ability to put the together the right combination of players. And are we just going to forget about the home grown players that were key to the Yankees’ success year after year? I’m so sorry the Yankees had to pay those players to retain them as well.
Torre took way too much of the bum rap and made the fall guy in New York instead of Cashman for the last 4 years of Yankees Teams he managed. George Steinbrenner after the Yankees won 4 World Series went back to his stupid post-1978 to 1990 ways again before he was banned in 1990 firing Staff after the 2000 World Series that wasn't any problem in the Organization then let Cashman have more and more control with his garbage analytics resulting in one World Series Appearance after 2003
He looks like Johnny Cash a lot!!!
Never thought about that before. That is a good one 😄
Yankees should have fired Torre after losing to the Marlins in the 2003 World Series. Overrated manager who played favorites.
Sox owned them that year
They've pretty much owned the Yankees since the 0-3 comeback in 04. Especially in Yankee Stadium, the Red Sox seem to really own the Yanks.
Yankees owned the Sux last year
Owned them? Since 04 they're 136-130. Oh yeah really owning each other..
soxs got 3 chips since 04 though. yanks only have 1.
How many do the sox have total? thought so.
I'd like to ask him why he took Clemens out of game seven vs Arizona
Because he had the greatest closer in the history of MLB, with a 1 run lead in Game 7 of the World Series. Rivera just picked the wrong time to blow a save.
Joe Shannon actually if you watch it, Rivera did everything right but baseball is unpredictable and they managed to hit Rivera. If you don’t believe me, look at baseball bits featuring Chapman and Rivera.
And why he had the infield play in. Same situation in Texas earlier in the playoffs with Rivera in, the bases loaded less than 2 outs, and the game on the line. Hits against Rivera are so often little flares.. with or without breaking their bats.
89.1% of the time that was the right choice to make.
That game still hurts 18 years later, I get it, but in that case you cant question someone for relying on Rivera.
My question would be in 2004. Ortiz was in the zone. Why not walk him more and let other guys beat u?
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We know Torre didn’t get along at all with Randy Levine.
The Yankees made Joe Torre, not the other way around. I really like Torre and think he's a class act but does anyone really think they wouldn't have won all those World Series between 96-2000 if Showalter, Hargrove or Piniella wasn't the manager? I mean seriously, how hard is it to fill out a lineup with all stars all over the field, then hand the ball to either Wells, Clemens, Pettitte, Cone, Mussina, Key and then hand it to Mo to finish off the game? Love Torre but I think he got a bit too full of himself and stuck around 2-3 years too long. Ditto with Girardi.
Keena Eh, there are other managers who have done far less with more talent. You're correct in saying that Torre inehrited a great team after Showalter was fired, but Torre was still a crucial figure. What about Bobby Cox? Three Hall of Fame starting pitchers, a Hall of Fame third baseman, Fred McGriff, Andruw Jones, etc., and the Braves won just one championship during his tenure. With managers, it's about what they can get out of the talent they're given, regardless of the circumstances. Torre did a fine job.
Keena You are incredibly ignorant. First off, Mike Mussina was never on the team from ‘96-‘00. And he has never won a World Series so why would you mention him? Do more research on the ins and outs of each of their World Series winning seasons with Torre. He played a huge part. Especially ‘96.
Idiots don't realize that a good manager is crucial to the tone and culture of the team. It's not just xs and os. In baseball it's about managing pitchers and setting the culture. Torres was definitely critical in that way.
@@Tee-OhBee I didn't know a woman with a 168 IQ is "incredibly ignorant". I became a Branch Manager for Citibank at 21 years old, the youngest person to ever do that in the company's history and became a Regional Manager by 23 years old and make more money per year than you could ever dream of. I also speak four languages fluently.
I also have forgotten more about Yankees history than you ever knew in the first place. As far as Mike Mussina goes, I don't recall ever saying he won a World Series in New York. Which is kind of my point. Even post 2000, the Yankees still had a great rotation that included Mike Mussina but Joe Torre couldn't win a World Series with him. Or as Mike McGrath calls him, "Joe Torres".
I absolutely love Joe Torre and wish he could've won 2-3 more rings with the Yankees. But sometimes Managers become ineffective when they stick around too long, which Torre, oops, sorry Mike McGrath, "Torres" sort of did. I think he should've retired or even been fired after choking away that 3-0 Series lead in 2004 to the disgusting, POS, Boston Red Sox. That was the lowest moment for the Yankees in their otherwise glorious history and, ahem... Joe Torres was the one in charge. With all due respect to Mike McGrath of course!
I agree with you. Torre is really an overrated manager. He also managed the Mets, braves, Cardinals, and dodgers and never took any of those teams to the WS.