the question is, how laong last this battery? Replacement is quite costly (around 3500€ + installation). Many have also reported defective alternators and costs will sum up to 6000€ and more. A lot of money for very little fuel saving...
@@jerrymeng, Our 2019 A6 still in shop (almost two weeks now) They are still unable to get the 48V MHEV system to work as it should. The say that they are consulting with technicians at Audi, Canada. I have suggested that they perhaps they might look into consulting with Mr. Oguz Eksi who is/was the developer of the 48V Mild Hybrid System for Audi, Germany. Will try to keep you posted as to any further developments.
@@jerrymeng I am in Vancouver. The saga dragged on for 16 days and local Audi dealership were unable to fix. Their latest (verbal) claim is that Audi, Canada tells them that; "ALL 2019 AUDI A6's, A7's A8's & Q8's CAME WITH THE 48 VOLT SYSTEM BUT WITHOUT THE COASTING FEATURE ACTIVE". When I asked why, I got a very strange reply indeed...... "IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NORTH AMERICAN EMISSIONS" I was told........ Very strange explanation indeed, as anything that would permit the vehicle to travel with the engine shut down (and therefore not producing any exhaust gasses) should add to any emission control system. No! I don't but that one bit. As I pointed out to the dealership, why would Audi open themselves up to more problems after the North American TDI fiasco. The dealership offered us $1,500.00 for our trouble. Think I will wait and see first if Audi, including Audi Canada admit, in writing, that ALL their North American 2019's are NOT mild hybrids with the coasting feature. Every Canadian and American reviewer of the 2019 A6, that I have read, mentions it in their reviews!!! WHY????? Think when I get the time I will test-drive another 2019 A6 and see it demonstrated. If you have better luck than me getting yours to function as advertised, please let me know. Perhaps if there are more of us questioning it and, and the media gets it in their teeth, perhaps Audi's false advertising, if that what this really is, will be good fodder for them, yet again!!
Have you also tested the Steering & Lane Keeping Assist? If you have: which steering assist is the best one: 1) Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot 2) BMW Driving Assistant Professional 3) Audi active cruise assist with steering wheel assist
Yes I have tested it also. It is not easy to answer your question :) The newest A Class has very, very good semi-autonomous driving system (this car has the best package from all Mercedes-Benz cars). In some conditions it is even better than BMW 5 Series (the same system has X3, X4 and newest 7 Series produced in 2017/2018). In my opinion the same system in Audi A6/A7 works a little bit worse but only a little bit. But we have to remember that Audi in A8 model offers true 3rd level autonomous driving system which is available in some countries (unfortunately not in mine...) This system should be the best.
@@aqib2000 the system cost is too high compared to the benefits of regen! Worthless and watch out for expensive maintenance when that 48v battery dies!
Not possible to run the engine old school cos the transmission and some other integral parts are powered by the hybrid battery system. Let's say it is possible but way to expensive to experiment on
I don't get the point. Like in the video the speed limit is 90kmh, you let it coast to 50kmh to save fuel. But after that it has to burn more than double the fuel to accelerate to 90kmh again
@@1001cars i mean its good it can coast, but if it coast to like 30kmh you have to accelerate to 90kmh again and accelerating costs more fuel than maintaning the 90kmh
Because it is "real-life test of mild hybrid in A6/A7", isn't it? If you want to see how it perform in a city, look here: ua-cam.com/video/zR44ieNGpVc/v-deo.html
Hat man denn mit dem 12 Volt Mild Hybrid auch irgendeine Art "Antrieb" an den Rädern (auch wenn dieser "Antrieb" nicht mal ausreichen würde die Geschwindigkeit zu halten) oder ist es ausschließlich so wie wenn man den Leerlauf eingelegt hätte? Rollt das Auto also mit aktiven 12V Mild Hybrid weiter und schneller als mit dem Leerlauf im Vergleich? Oder ist das bzgl. des Rollen und der Geschwindigkeit exakt zu 100% das gleiche ob nun aktives Mild Hybrid oder Leerlauf?
Sorry I don't speak German, but: Mild Hybrid 12V i Audi cars works quite similar to 48V version (combustion engine is shut off during idle driving and in the last part of braking (below ~20 km/h), also: it helps to reduce vibration during engine start) but: time with combustion engine off is shorter, vibration during start are bigger comparing to V6 with Mild Hybrid 48V.
@@1001cars Thank you for your answer. Here my question in english: Do you have any kind of "drive" on the wheels with the 12 volt mild hybrid (even if this "drive" would not even be enough to keep the speed) or is it just as if you had put the engine into neutral? So does the car roll further and faster with active 12V mild hybrid than with idle in comparison? Or is it exactly 100% the same in terms of rolling and speed, whether active mild hybrid or idling?
dlaczego kolega jest tak tępy że nie wie że w takich silnikach z systemem 48v nie ma skrzyń S-tronic? tak trudno wpisać w internet? a poza tym nic nie niszczy ponieważ w układach 12/48 V mild hybrid mamy elektryczną pompę oleju dla skrzyni biegów która pracuje cały czas podczas jazdy (nawet pomimo wyłączenia silnika) czyli smarowanie jest cały czas, jedynie tak jak w tym aucie czyli skrzyni Tiptronic (ZF, hydraulik klasyczny) nie ma obiegu w hydrkinetyku ale nie potrzeba bo strona napędzająca (silnik) jest przecież wyłączony
Is the Mild Hybrid cars any good? I am looking to buy a new C200 but the new 2019 FL model comes with 1.5L Mild Hybrid. I was hoping it would be 2.0L as it used to be before. would you choose 1.5L Mild Hybrid or 2.0L C200 from 2018 model?
Unfortunately I haven't been tested C Class with 1.5 l Mild Hybrid system so I cannot tell you about this specific model. I heart that it is not as well as other systems :(
From the tests I saw, the newest C 200 is sluggish and not really efficient. If you care about dynamics, think about an upgrade to C 250 or 220d (drove 2018 E 220d, it's a good enigine). On the other hand, if You don't need the fastest, most efficient car, 1.5 engine is ok. Fuel economy is not terrible, it's just not good for 2019 either.
@@1001cars a normal drive on a straight road means constant acceleration not speeding up and then leaving the car to coast, to lose speed. That is what I meant and that i what you show in this video. the coasting is usually needed in specific situations like approaching a stop light and braking slowly.
@@vladmihai306 Show me where is my "unconstant acceleration" 00:16 - constant speed and lift off because of the lower speed limit ahead 01:21 - extreme slow acceleration and lift off because of the lower speed limit ahead 02:17 - constant acceleration and lift off because of the lower speed limit ahead 02:48 - constant speed and lift off because of the roundabout ahead 03:41 - constant speed and braking because of the red light
This technology is far too niche to be of any significant “real” on the road fuel economy reduction. The battery just isn’t big enough and the electric motor needs more HP. The PEHV are far more versatile from the BMW and Mercedes line up as well as the E Tron line up.
The headlight are so bright
I have the audi a6 55 tfsi berline, I've got to say, mine works very well the 48V.
the question is, how laong last this battery? Replacement is quite costly (around 3500€ + installation). Many have also reported defective alternators and costs will sum up to 6000€ and more. A lot of money for very little fuel saving...
Still trying to get ours to work at all on our new 2019 A6. So far it has never worked!
Same. No idea how to trigger it.
@@jerrymeng, Our 2019 A6 still in shop (almost two weeks now) They are still unable to get the 48V MHEV system to work as it should. The say that they are consulting with technicians at Audi, Canada. I have suggested that they perhaps they might look into consulting with Mr. Oguz Eksi who is/was the developer of the 48V Mild Hybrid System for Audi, Germany. Will try to keep you posted as to any further developments.
@@kevindelaney9316 Thank you!
@@kevindelaney9316 I am in Toronto, actually.
@@jerrymeng I am in Vancouver. The saga dragged on for 16 days and local Audi dealership were unable to fix. Their latest (verbal) claim is that Audi, Canada tells them that; "ALL 2019 AUDI A6's, A7's A8's & Q8's CAME WITH THE 48 VOLT SYSTEM BUT WITHOUT THE COASTING FEATURE ACTIVE". When I asked why, I got a very strange reply indeed...... "IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NORTH AMERICAN EMISSIONS" I was told........ Very strange explanation indeed, as anything that would permit the vehicle to travel with the engine shut down (and therefore not producing any exhaust gasses) should add to any emission control system. No! I don't but that one bit. As I pointed out to the dealership, why would Audi open themselves up to more problems after the North American TDI fiasco. The dealership offered us $1,500.00 for our trouble. Think I will wait and see first if Audi, including Audi Canada admit, in writing, that ALL their North American 2019's are NOT mild hybrids with the coasting feature. Every Canadian and American reviewer of the 2019 A6, that I have read, mentions it in their reviews!!! WHY????? Think when I get the time I will test-drive another 2019 A6 and see it demonstrated. If you have better luck than me getting yours to function as advertised, please let me know. Perhaps if there are more of us questioning it and, and the media gets it in their teeth, perhaps Audi's false advertising, if that what this really is, will be good fodder for them, yet again!!
Have you also tested the Steering & Lane Keeping Assist?
If you have:
which steering assist is the best one:
1) Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot
2) BMW Driving Assistant Professional
3) Audi active cruise assist with steering wheel assist
Yes I have tested it also. It is not easy to answer your question :) The newest A Class has very, very good semi-autonomous driving system (this car has the best package from all Mercedes-Benz cars). In some conditions it is even better than BMW 5 Series (the same system has X3, X4 and newest 7 Series produced in 2017/2018). In my opinion the same system in Audi A6/A7 works a little bit worse but only a little bit. But we have to remember that Audi in A8 model offers true 3rd level autonomous driving system which is available in some countries (unfortunately not in mine...) This system should be the best.
This is going to fuck op many turbo's
No
euro6 engines shut the fuel injectors during coasting, so there is no need for mild hybrid
Yes there is mate, regen braking
@@aqib2000 the system cost is too high compared to the benefits of regen! Worthless and watch out for expensive maintenance when that 48v battery dies!
any fuel injected engine stops injection, this has been the case from the 90s
So under the consumptions is the Hibrid battery %?
No, there is no battery level indication
@@1001cars and what is that then ? it s shows a battery and that white line, or that is instant consumption, thanks for answering!🤗
@@xCrazZzy Combine rpm of the engine with this white line :) Yes, it is instant fuel consumption.
@@1001cars thanks!
Hello,
Does anyone know if the electric engine breaks is it possible to run the car the old school way or it needs a repair?
Not possible to run the engine old school cos the transmission and some other integral parts are powered by the hybrid battery system. Let's say it is possible but way to expensive to experiment on
I don't get the point.
Like in the video the speed limit is 90kmh, you let it coast to 50kmh to save fuel. But after that it has to burn more than double the fuel to accelerate to 90kmh again
It is to show how this system works. What is the problem with it?
@@1001cars i mean its good it can coast, but if it coast to like 30kmh you have to accelerate to 90kmh again and accelerating costs more fuel than maintaning the 90kmh
OK, but this is not the point of this video.
@@1001cars but it though it was a real life test?
Because it is "real-life test of mild hybrid in A6/A7", isn't it? If you want to see how it perform in a city, look here: ua-cam.com/video/zR44ieNGpVc/v-deo.html
Hat man denn mit dem 12 Volt Mild Hybrid auch irgendeine Art "Antrieb" an den Rädern (auch wenn dieser "Antrieb" nicht mal ausreichen würde die Geschwindigkeit zu halten) oder ist es ausschließlich so wie wenn man den Leerlauf eingelegt hätte?
Rollt das Auto also mit aktiven 12V Mild Hybrid weiter und schneller als mit dem Leerlauf im Vergleich? Oder ist das bzgl. des Rollen und der Geschwindigkeit exakt zu 100% das gleiche ob nun aktives Mild Hybrid oder Leerlauf?
Sorry I don't speak German, but: Mild Hybrid 12V i Audi cars works quite similar to 48V version (combustion engine is shut off during idle driving and in the last part of braking (below ~20 km/h), also: it helps to reduce vibration during engine start) but: time with combustion engine off is shorter, vibration during start are bigger comparing to V6 with Mild Hybrid 48V.
@@1001cars Thank you for your answer.
Here my question in english:
Do you have any kind of "drive" on the wheels with the 12 volt mild hybrid (even if this "drive" would not even be enough to keep the speed) or is it just as if you had put the engine into neutral? So does the car roll further and faster with active 12V mild hybrid than with idle in comparison? Or is it exactly 100% the same in terms of rolling and speed, whether active mild hybrid or idling?
@@Aqua10001 yes, I drove A4 and A5 with 12V Mild Hybrid :) This is why I wrote foregoing text :)
Do I need to have the specific setting for this function ?
No, it works automatically
@@1001cars did you test it in Europe
@@frankguan1776 Yes, in Poland
@@1001cars my car US model, it may not be available 😂
You need to have efficiency assistant turned on and start stop system on
Dlaczego nikt nie powie że ten system niszczy do granic możliwości skrzynie S-tronic !!!
dlaczego kolega jest tak tępy że nie wie że w takich silnikach z systemem 48v nie ma skrzyń S-tronic? tak trudno wpisać w internet? a poza tym nic nie niszczy ponieważ w układach 12/48 V mild hybrid mamy elektryczną pompę oleju dla skrzyni biegów która pracuje cały czas podczas jazdy (nawet pomimo wyłączenia silnika) czyli smarowanie jest cały czas, jedynie tak jak w tym aucie czyli skrzyni Tiptronic (ZF, hydraulik klasyczny) nie ma obiegu w hydrkinetyku ale nie potrzeba bo strona napędzająca (silnik) jest przecież wyłączony
Does the 12v version do the same?
andrew72329 no
Only start stop when standing still
Seems like only Toyota Lexus hybrids are good in real life , anything else just add more complexity but not efficiency or reliability
Exactly.
Is the Mild Hybrid cars any good? I am looking to buy a new C200 but the new 2019 FL model comes with 1.5L Mild Hybrid. I was hoping it would be 2.0L as it used to be before. would you choose 1.5L Mild Hybrid or 2.0L C200 from 2018 model?
Unfortunately I haven't been tested C Class with 1.5 l Mild Hybrid system so I cannot tell you about this specific model. I heart that it is not as well as other systems :(
From the tests I saw, the newest C 200 is sluggish and not really efficient. If you care about dynamics, think about an upgrade to C 250 or 220d (drove 2018 E 220d, it's a good enigine). On the other hand, if You don't need the fastest, most efficient car, 1.5 engine is ok. Fuel economy is not terrible, it's just not good for 2019 either.
there will be great resistance when charging. high consumption. where is the savings?
Amount of disk braking friction is pure energy loss. With less braking there are savings..
what you did was to accelerate and then leave it to coast, which is not what a normal person would do
It is not correct. I did not do like you said. Another thing: how do you drive without accelerating?
@@1001cars a normal drive on a straight road means constant acceleration not speeding up and then leaving the car to coast, to lose speed. That is what I meant and that i what you show in this video. the coasting is usually needed in specific situations like approaching a stop light and braking slowly.
@@vladmihai306 Show me where is my "unconstant acceleration"
00:16 - constant speed and lift off because of the lower speed limit ahead
01:21 - extreme slow acceleration and lift off because of the lower speed limit ahead
02:17 - constant acceleration and lift off because of the lower speed limit ahead
02:48 - constant speed and lift off because of the roundabout ahead
03:41 - constant speed and braking because of the red light
This technology is far too niche to be of any significant “real” on the road fuel economy reduction. The battery just isn’t big enough and the electric motor needs more HP. The PEHV are far more versatile from the BMW and Mercedes line up as well as the E Tron line up.
Stupid music. I want to hear engine
What do you want to hear when the video is about driving with combustion engine shut off?
@@1001cars I want to hear the start of the engine and noise during that. This music is terrible. If I want music I watch music videos.
@@RoadMonkey34It was so quiet, so not possible to record it with the microphone