The sheer chad energy radiating off Mat "Eat it from the back" K for nearly 3 hours straight And you just know he's just duo logging inferno runs in the background
Even after all these years I still think Mat K is one of the best things to ever happen to Runescape. But at the same time, anyone who has tried pvming in the wilderness can tell you botting is a huge problem.
Agree. Guy is a legend and deserves respect. Also agree with you that bots are a problem and I want to add it's not just in wilderness. Game functions with them but how can you say they're truly needed when we've never had a completely bot free game. People can adapt to higher prices. I think removing bots is exactly not being afraid of trying out things which I think is a very good mindset with everything.
He is the reason why botting is such a problem and why osrs is in the place it is right now, a broken mess. Nobody else than the teamleader should and could take responsibilty for that, that he never did. Actually it is just a grown up baby in a leader roll, no wonder he got fired and I would love to know the real reason why.
I'm 50 mins into this amazing podcast and Matt K has to be up there as of the best guests on this podcast you've had. The conversation flowed so naturally, we could tell that you were genuinely happy to have Matt K on the show. Such a great episode and a great way to kick off 2024 Sae Bae. Grats :)
Ult Iron is definitely the hardest game mode. The amount of dedication it takes. The sheer amount of GP$ you watch disappear on the ground is wild@@kmdoqjw1234
The weird defence of botting is kinda shocking. "Just hide the bots so players don't get mad" and "They aren't stopping you from playing the game, what's the issue?" This feels like an accurate read of Jagex's current stance on botting, which is pretty depressing.
@kevinstephens4035 There would be ALOT less players in the game and common materials would be alot more expensive. Shoot, with how advanced bots are now everything would go up in price lol
it actually is quite in character with Mat K IMO. Things like gold farming to feed your family or pay for college are some things he'd get behind, although he may still have had to unleash the ban. He has stories related to it and I dont wanna speak for him lol he just has a very human perspective.
everything would go up in price, but that only effects mains, and honestly... hardly.. since those increased prices often come as drops too. Some weird thing like Sanfews would probably go up to 100+k each... but then that'd be a 700k drop at PNM which makes that boss pretty good alone lol@@deputyswine Im not on a game econ so IDK for sure lol its just hard to say if prices going up is inherently bad as well
WIsh we got a bit more info on internal drama with Reach. But thank you for the incredible cast. Loved every minute. Incredible insight from the RuneDaddy himself.
Great podcast! It's so interesting to hear the kind of input Mat K brought to the oldschool team. I really hope his idea of renting out private servers becomes a thing because I can see that being a massive success not only for Jagex but for every layer of the community. I can already see UA-camrs like Settled make a new snowflake account and then have his own private server that you can play on that has the rules of his account built in so you can play along with him under the same restrictions. It would truly make this game have unlimited potential
Loved, loved, loved this one. Mat K is the sweetest guy. We were lucky to have him in Jagex for as long as he was, and it's super cool he still is engaged in the game.
Phenomenal cast so far, at about the halfway point. The early segment about the history of OSRS was documentary quality. Really interesting stuff as someone who has played Osrs since launch and is still jaded about rs2 being ruined by EoC and MTX. I hope Mat's concept of Sailing is similar to what the team is currently thinking, I voted yes to the original "paint" sailing poll, also was several of the votes to bringing back OSRS, also one of the no voters to moving camera with middle mouse button (haven't used arrow keys to move camera in years btw).
I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found.
I think the fact that almost any dedicated multi-account player that treats OSRS as a continuum game rather than sticking to a single account as a proving grounds to either themselves or the community tends to have an ironman account shows that most players who take Runescape seriously do not take the ingame economy seriously. And a lot of the people who do take it seriously wind up grinding something they don't enjoy purely for GP before burning out for a few months to years at a time. As much as I dislike Gnomemonkey for his abuse of access to people that can build custom runelite plugins for him due to his notoriety (where as other players have to either learn Java and build their own or wait for someone to make a tool they can adopt) that he was correct in saying that we veteran players that have been here since at least the first 1-2 years of RS2 have been systematically gaslit by Reddit users, market manipulators and newer generations of players and typecast as so autistic that we're basically incapable of having an adult psychology prescribed to us when they themselves have the least interest in talking about or analyzing the game. More often than not OSRS is dictated by popular opinion and people like Mat behave in a populist manner to cater to that. I believe in my heart of hearts that Mat is the true mind behind the Corporeal beast AFK "bug" and that Mod reach simply took the fall because he was complicit and held a lower stature within the company so he'd have to take the heat while Mat made sure none of the other manipulative "bugs" were never found.
Bot Worlds - Had totally forgot about these before they were mentioned, omg lmao, I once got moved to one while I was chopping yews by the flax field in Catherby, remember pm'ing my friend and freaking out like "wtf I didn't hop here"
Whenever I was moved during a long session I would type in all chat to a theoretical Jmod as I wasn't sure how automated it was. I'd say things like "Hope you're having a nice day in the office, I'll go back to my chosen world now thanks", "I'm not a bot I'm just unemployed" & "Hi there..... Yes I know you are watching" I've had qutie a few years to mull over how the system may have functioned and I'm pretty confident none of it was ever observed but no regrets, it's usually a pretty good idea to spark consciousness wherever you don't get un-alived imprisoned for it.
Meanwhile I'm trying to get a skull piece and kill flesh crawlers on the 2nd level of stronghold, and there's 4 bots in each world just farming combat and herbs.
I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found.
Yeah about that. Remember the new prayer book that would have completely ruined the game? It passed with flying colors and the only reason it didn't get added is because of a decision Jagex made after it had already been polled.
Popped up on my recommended and first time id heard of either of you, but absolutely riveting content, and wicked interview skills Saebae, respect - I’ve subscribed. Thank you 👊
Much appreciation for your content, one of the types of sociality is to show external presence also with gestures to see the whole personality, I have been fishing for too long ❣
I love mat k always loved his stories he tells on stream as well, he knows all the secret stuff and is happy to spread it. We get some real information here.
Absolutely disagree with Mat K's take on bots impacting the economy. I think if all bots were removed entirely, people being able to "pick flax" to make money is positive for the game.
Remember the days we would mine iron for days... Then be sitting in varrock trying to sell it for the best price for hours. (pure essence, runes, raw fish, everything would have value) Damn good old days
@@Gobble-mike-hawk So you wanna say motherlode mine is fun? or any other activity that gets you mining exp? no, they are not but if it could earn you enough to buy your next bond, everyone will be doing it. Bots have always existed but nowadays they got unlimited bots just on hired servers, back in the day they wer limited by the number of computers they could fit in a room so compared to today we had way less... What are you doing right now to get a bond? a boring grinding activity, no matter how much gp it gets you per hour, if you would get 10m a hour for picking flax you would also pick flax or mine iron in varrock. (And no flax would never get you 10m a hour but it is an example, the real form would come down to the same point. Why a bond is 10m today is because of bots. The more money you put into a system the less money is worth or in other words *inflation*) It is the design of a game to get you hooked and playing as long as possible, osrs had that all in place but nowadays we are playing rehashed, reskinned versions of rs3 with pay to win in place but just hidden behind a blanket
It's hard to tell who is actually quitting from the bots, I'm sure most don't even announce they are leaving. I played some leagues but haven't even been logging into my Iron lately. Been playing WoW since SoD came out. Bots be an issue in that game too but I can at least see them ban sometimes with the /who function. Kind of gave up after 6 months of reporting 200m theivers and them still being around. Ah yea and the boosting discord.
I have a nearly maxed UIM I've been chipping away at for 8 years that's not impacted by the main economy and even I am finding the game is beginning to disgust me. When the economy changes the way players behave changes and simply teleporting to the G.E to get around the map exposes me to a full chat box of RWT services so morbid I immediately start thinking about other games. Currently the only thing I've logged in for in the past month was to test Scurrius on my Varrock Sewers meme UIM and even though it is the most exciting update to ever happen for me as it relates to any of my accounts after a handful of kills I was like "This loot is too good, this exp is too good, it feels like I'm cheating, this boss is really fucken bad for the game" For so many years I've been telling myself "just put in a session here or there and you'll be proud to max an ultimate" Now I'm not even sure if I can continue to be a proud runescape player. And that is no joke, I had to fight against a lot of IRL social judgement in 2013-2014 for admitting that I enjoyed the game. I am autistic and a functional runescape addict so when people like myself are going "ayo, what's the fucken point anymore?" I'd say things aren't in great shape.
@@Jasmine69420 lol not really. Autistic addicts always yell and scream the loudest about everything bothering them, while us casual andys are having a blast and growing in numbers. Sorry but thats the real truth and the numbers support it. Seen about 15 of your replies in this thread. I get your points but really, your clearly just burnt out and unhappy with the direction on some changes, whereas most are not. The silent majority is a real thing. 8+ year addicts are really at the bottom of the list for what jagex cares about. And you said it yourself, possibly in one of your other 15 comments. Everything you do ingame is barely affected by bots as an uim, and you're still making quitting threats about the issue. Bots suck and i dont necessarily agree with the points made in the interview, but i dont think jagex will ever be able to please the top 0.1%, nor should they in my opinion.
Story time with Mat K always a good time. The 50 vs 1 Pk story was hilarious. Just drop the "let the bodies hit floor" RSMV cut and its a wrap. Reminds me of old Maplestory Pre Big Bang times when the Moderators would spawn King Balrog and Zakum on the afk people causing havoc ! Would love to see that now a day. Equivalent of a raid boss being summoned in the Grand Exchange haha wouldn't that be fun xD
@@andrewv2782 I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found.
If there were no bots, I'd feel encouraged about the drops that I earn myself since they would be worth more. When I see I level 95 with full max set,.it's just another normal mid-level player. Were living in the future
Those of us who saw this coming realized early that G.E was going to kill the legitimacy of the economy & supported ironman mode was the only way you could have your achievements acknowledged and respected by other players who weren't already your friends.
i spent 2 decades putting money into my accounts to make them as good as possible, and now i'm playing a f2p ironman and i feel so much at peace. this game is incredible.
His argument about botting is a little scuffed. Item prices sort themselves out over time as people would fill the void. Shitty early game content is shitty content. So dumb.
I never liked the idea of sailing as a skill. I dont mind it being in the game and I think it fits nicely. But sailing could be more like a mini game with everything Matt K said. (Pirates, hiring sailors, looting, fighting, fishing, etc) I mean its a mode of transportation. Wouldn't it be dumb if walking, running, swimming, ballooning, or anything else like this was a skill? It should just naturally be in the game like it already is but instead of making it just a cut scene of a map. Let us actually sail the boat to our destination and do activities on the boat. Like fishing off the boat or diving for treasure, explore new lands, thieving, etc. It doesn't need to be a skill. It should be a vessel for other skills. There are countless other ideas for skills and this is the one the community wants as a skill? Like I said, I think it should be in the game 100% but not as a skill.
Not going to lie, this went a lot different than I expected. I enjoy Mat's character and longstanding engagment with the game, but he's loaded with* hot or just outright bad takes.
the goat!! lets go edit: One of my favorite sae bae casts so far for sure. As somebody who played early on then quit for about 8 years, it's super interesting hearing Mat K's perspective on the big changes at the time and how Jagex (and him) felt about certain updates. Can't wait to listen to the rest
I completely agree that it’s headed in a good direction but not the best. We need more innovation. Thats how the game has gotten to the point it is now. We need the next level up.
You can tell Mat K really loves the game, and really loved working on it. He just didn't want to deal with Jagex's higher-ups and shareholders anymore. Which seems to apply to a lot of ex-Jmods.
I loved every minute of this podcast, but, maaan i really disagree with Mat's takes on rulebreaking. Endorsing botting and real world trading is unfathomable to me, and he says "does it affect you in any way?" i mean, yeah it does, pretty hugely and in a number of ways, and I could feel Sae trying to think of what to say to counter this but he couldn't think of anything, so he didn't do a great job of arguing against it unfortunately, but I could feel that instinctively he wanted to say "woah hold up" and counter argue. But even that aside, it's just crazy to me to hear someone say "hey why not just make real-world trading and botting legal" Other than the two moments about rwt/botting, this podcast was pure gold.
I wonder about bots... They could effect us and even the irons of us. But it partly depends on Jagex ban waves and how they break bots. LMS bots used to be able to beat oda but now they sit there like a deer in headlights, so it helps us even though it removes the flare of winning a bit. If wildy boss bots anti-pk'd, a good amount of ppl would die to it lol but they just tele so its not too much of a headache finding a world. If there were MORE of specific bots, it'd be very antagonizing to players, such as MORE solo wt bots lol not enough for me to quit over lol i'm too addicted xd lovin the pod so far! always a good listen when Mat K is involved!
I've clocked in thousands of LMS games and seen many iterations of bots. I must say there's really no winning here, the old terminator bots put up a fight but many of them could just be exploited by 1-ticking, the afk bots felt like I was doing pvm. And you're right, winning when you'd see first actual player(who would likely be garbage, because bots allowed bad players to cruise to the end) in the semifinals did feel pretty mediocre
currently grinding revs on iron and the amount of hopping to find a world is so frustrating, and then once your'e set up you better click the rev the first tick it spawns or a bot will steal it. great cast otherwise, very insightful.
my easyscape line was adding slayer rooms to dagannoth kings i was so mad the supply of rings was doubled because i just finished the diary for noted bones and learned to fight for a world lol
I know my comment is late to the game, but I think the reason the bot problem is starting to affect players more is that they have moved on from just doing the mundane tasks to doing high level bosses and full blown raids. So now regular players can't make enough money doing bossing to afford that high level gear because only the top level content is good enough gp/hr now.
If there are lot of bots doing endgame content, that should mean high level gear prices going down since more of them will be entering the economy. I don't know where you got the idea that "only the top level content is good enough gp/hr" you can earn gp in this game in many ways and you definitely don't need BIS to do the most difficult PvM content, should you find the need to do them
What jagex employees always forget to mention is how huge runelite coming was, i could not see myself playing without runelite and the succes runelite has brought to jagex is never mentioned.
random thought, it's interesting, I've noticed Jmods often refer to rs3 as "runescape" and osrs as "oldschool", whereas the community overwhelmingly says "rs3" and "osrs" respectively. I've noticed this a lot in the past and Mat K is no exception
Yes because RS3 is what the original runescape has become and OSRS is a backup version of the game from right before the Godwars update in 2007 that they used as the base for Old School Runescape. It wasn't originally supposed to have updates and even a lot of us returning to the game intent on playing long term were not sure if the servers would be live for more than a year.
"Bots aren't inherently bad". Well yes, makes the game easier to sell when you have inflated player counts. Also helps the JMODs when RWT clans are bribing them lol
2:32:00 Maybe Mat K working on LBP4 🤔 He said earlier in the episode too that he pitched a Minecraft-like system which players get freedom to create maps, bosses, etc. That would be awesome if that's the direction he's going :D
I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found. I think he wants to move in any direction that makes him more money.
About halfway through. I understand both sides of the bottling arguement but feel indifferent on the matter. I hope account recovery and false bans are discussed as that feels like a much realer issue to me.
Awful take on botting from Mat, but adds up. Also his statement about how shift click dropping being added was a turning point for the worst part of the game makes no sense since it was a response THEY came up with to banning all forms of ahk. Probably also a response to mobile, but regardless it didn't need to be polled if it was that game breaking lol. The rest of the cast was 👌
Before anyone pops into my notifs about ahk being bad, I just want to say that banning it would be the equivalent of banning all third party clients because some third party clents are bad even though runelite is fine (relatively). Most players used it to mimic WMK and it added way more skill to skilling before dog water shift click dropping was added.
ban bots, match runelite with c++, then add content around low level skilling, bosses that drop supplies and mats, etc, and new items and pets to collect.
honestly the main place where jagex really should work on bot detection and banning are where it inhibits the player experience, or where it "cheapens" an achievement, such as inferno. for player experience things like mining bots, both members and free to play. one place especially the runite rocks in the mining guild. every regular world your're competing with bots. and every total level world you're competing with well other people for a handful of worlds. if anything having more total lvl worlds would likely make the impact of bots seem a lot less severe
The sheer chad energy radiating off Mat "Eat it from the back" K for nearly 3 hours straight
And you just know he's just duo logging inferno runs in the background
He sucks at the game lol
Sounds like another jealous spectator of the tick perfect fiend mod mat k@CODCritic101
@@rsdudetsom Little bit of technique in there as well
He's dropping inv's of iron quick boi
LMAO i choked
Even after all these years I still think Mat K is one of the best things to ever happen to Runescape. But at the same time, anyone who has tried pvming in the wilderness can tell you botting is a huge problem.
Agree. Guy is a legend and deserves respect. Also agree with you that bots are a problem and I want to add it's not just in wilderness. Game functions with them but how can you say they're truly needed when we've never had a completely bot free game. People can adapt to higher prices. I think removing bots is exactly not being afraid of trying out things which I think is a very good mindset with everything.
Was looking for this - I was a little surprised to how little of a problem he thought bottling was.
I have never tried PvMing in the wilderness which is probably why i have never seen them.
@@RealMatK Thank you for a great cast!
He is the reason why botting is such a problem and why osrs is in the place it is right now, a broken mess.
Nobody else than the teamleader should and could take responsibilty for that, that he never did.
Actually it is just a grown up baby in a leader roll, no wonder he got fired and I would love to know the real reason why.
Havent listened yet but i see Mat K - I click. Dude is a legend and always has good insights
I'm 50 mins into this amazing podcast and Matt K has to be up there as of the best guests on this podcast you've had. The conversation flowed so naturally, we could tell that you were genuinely happy to have Matt K on the show. Such a great episode and a great way to kick off 2024 Sae Bae. Grats :)
"We put ultimate ironman practically as a joke"
Still is
It's one of my favorite jokes, unlocking prif on my uim is one of the most meaningful gaming experiences I've ever had
@@kmdoqjw1234 still haven't l0l 2k total haven't even bothered
🔫 always has been
@@TinKnocker69 dats da joke
Ult Iron is definitely the hardest game mode. The amount of dedication it takes. The sheer amount of GP$ you watch disappear on the ground is wild@@kmdoqjw1234
Holy shit, amazing guest to kick the year off!
>meets paul gower
>"maybe with a bit of training you'll catch up ;)"
>Matk smashes his record in 2 weeks
>Paul never talks to him again
MY SIDES
The weird defence of botting is kinda shocking.
"Just hide the bots so players don't get mad" and "They aren't stopping you from playing the game, what's the issue?"
This feels like an accurate read of Jagex's current stance on botting, which is pretty depressing.
as a person who has never noticed being negatively affected by bots, what would removing them immediately change for me in-game?
@kevinstephens4035 There would be ALOT less players in the game and common materials would be alot more expensive.
Shoot, with how advanced bots are now everything would go up in price lol
I must say this really caught me off-guard as well. Love Mat K, but arguing that bots are okay because "you can still play the game" is quite silly
it actually is quite in character with Mat K IMO. Things like gold farming to feed your family or pay for college are some things he'd get behind, although he may still have had to unleash the ban. He has stories related to it and I dont wanna speak for him lol he just has a very human perspective.
everything would go up in price, but that only effects mains, and honestly... hardly.. since those increased prices often come as drops too. Some weird thing like Sanfews would probably go up to 100+k each... but then that'd be a 700k drop at PNM which makes that boss pretty good alone lol@@deputyswine Im not on a game econ so IDK for sure lol its just hard to say if prices going up is inherently bad as well
Weird synchronicity between when Mod Mat K calls Konduit small fish and Bae clicking his harpoon special attack.
Possibly subconsciously reminded to spec by the word "fish"
Bruh! Mat K??? Thanks for the content. Looking forward to listen.
WIsh we got a bit more info on internal drama with Reach. But thank you for the incredible cast. Loved every minute. Incredible insight from the RuneDaddy himself.
Great podcast! It's so interesting to hear the kind of input Mat K brought to the oldschool team. I really hope his idea of renting out private servers becomes a thing because I can see that being a massive success not only for Jagex but for every layer of the community. I can already see UA-camrs like Settled make a new snowflake account and then have his own private server that you can play on that has the rules of his account built in so you can play along with him under the same restrictions. It would truly make this game have unlimited potential
Such a good episode, please have him on again.
I really liked Mat K's idea to have clue achivement diary with unlocks to have stackable clues. Sounded like an interesting idea to evolve
Been waiting for Mat K for a while! Can listen to him talk for hours
Loved, loved, loved this one. Mat K is the sweetest guy. We were lucky to have him in Jagex for as long as he was, and it's super cool he still is engaged in the game.
Phenomenal cast so far, at about the halfway point. The early segment about the history of OSRS was documentary quality. Really interesting stuff as someone who has played Osrs since launch and is still jaded about rs2 being ruined by EoC and MTX. I hope Mat's concept of Sailing is similar to what the team is currently thinking, I voted yes to the original "paint" sailing poll, also was several of the votes to bringing back OSRS, also one of the no voters to moving camera with middle mouse button (haven't used arrow keys to move camera in years btw).
Mat K has clearly not been to the rev caves lol. Every spawn every world multiple bots definitely has an effect on game play.
I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found.
the thing with bots is how acceptable is it for the economy to be simulated vs real
I think the fact that almost any dedicated multi-account player that treats OSRS as a continuum game rather than sticking to a single account as a proving grounds to either themselves or the community tends to have an ironman account shows that most players who take Runescape seriously do not take the ingame economy seriously. And a lot of the people who do take it seriously wind up grinding something they don't enjoy purely for GP before burning out for a few months to years at a time. As much as I dislike Gnomemonkey for his abuse of access to people that can build custom runelite plugins for him due to his notoriety (where as other players have to either learn Java and build their own or wait for someone to make a tool they can adopt) that he was correct in saying that we veteran players that have been here since at least the first 1-2 years of RS2 have been systematically gaslit by Reddit users, market manipulators and newer generations of players and typecast as so autistic that we're basically incapable of having an adult psychology prescribed to us when they themselves have the least interest in talking about or analyzing the game. More often than not OSRS is dictated by popular opinion and people like Mat behave in a populist manner to cater to that. I believe in my heart of hearts that Mat is the true mind behind the Corporeal beast AFK "bug" and that Mod reach simply took the fall because he was complicit and held a lower stature within the company so he'd have to take the heat while Mat made sure none of the other manipulative "bugs" were never found.
Bot Worlds - Had totally forgot about these before they were mentioned, omg lmao, I once got moved to one while I was chopping yews by the flax field in Catherby, remember pm'ing my friend and freaking out like "wtf I didn't hop here"
Whenever I was moved during a long session I would type in all chat to a theoretical Jmod as I wasn't sure how automated it was. I'd say things like "Hope you're having a nice day in the office, I'll go back to my chosen world now thanks", "I'm not a bot I'm just unemployed" & "Hi there..... Yes I know you are watching" I've had qutie a few years to mull over how the system may have functioned and I'm pretty confident none of it was ever observed but no regrets, it's usually a pretty good idea to spark consciousness wherever you don't get un-alived imprisoned for it.
"my wife from behind" LOL
Ye it is like he 12 himself
Nice topics! Thank you so much for the timeline segments, really appreciate it!
Modd Mat K is crazy for saying the percentage of bots in game is thought to be 10%.... what a wild statement
Awesome listen. Thanks to the both of you!
Meanwhile I'm trying to get a skull piece and kill flesh crawlers on the 2nd level of stronghold, and there's 4 bots in each world just farming combat and herbs.
I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found.
The best part of polling system is the feed-back loop with the comunity and the safe net for bad systems like negative xp lamps
Yeah about that. Remember the new prayer book that would have completely ruined the game? It passed with flying colors and the only reason it didn't get added is because of a decision Jagex made after it had already been polled.
Love this interview. Can only watch first half for now but boy will i be back.
36:30 Thank you Mat K for being a true blessing to the community and the game. You have, and always sincerly cared!
Perfect! I'm just off work, ready to grind some slayer while listening!
Popped up on my recommended and first time id heard of either of you, but absolutely riveting content, and wicked interview skills Saebae, respect - I’ve subscribed. Thank you 👊
Much appreciation for your content, one of the types of sociality is to show external presence also with gestures to see the whole personality, I have been fishing for too long ❣
I love mat k always loved his stories he tells on stream as well, he knows all the secret stuff and is happy to spread it. We get some real information here.
like matk but his botting take is dogshit
Absolutely disagree with Mat K's take on bots impacting the economy. I think if all bots were removed entirely, people being able to "pick flax" to make money is positive for the game.
Remember the days we would mine iron for days...
Then be sitting in varrock trying to sell it for the best price for hours. (pure essence, runes, raw fish, everything would have value)
Damn good old days
@@Desperado070 you don't miss the mining and selling part. you miss being a kid and everything being fun and cool again
@@Gobble-mike-hawk So you wanna say motherlode mine is fun? or any other activity that gets you mining exp? no, they are not but if it could earn you enough to buy your next bond, everyone will be doing it.
Bots have always existed but nowadays they got unlimited bots just on hired servers, back in the day they wer limited by the number of computers they could fit in a room so compared to today we had way less...
What are you doing right now to get a bond? a boring grinding activity, no matter how much gp it gets you per hour, if you would get 10m a hour for picking flax you would also pick flax or mine iron in varrock.
(And no flax would never get you 10m a hour but it is an example, the real form would come down to the same point. Why a bond is 10m today is because of bots. The more money you put into a system the less money is worth or in other words *inflation*)
It is the design of a game to get you hooked and playing as long as possible, osrs had that all in place but nowadays we are playing rehashed, reskinned versions of rs3 with pay to win in place but just hidden behind a blanket
@@Gobble-mike-hawk Exactly
@@Gobble-mike-hawk stop assuming, simple items having value has nothing to do with me wanting to be a kid, I'm not like you.
It's hard to tell who is actually quitting from the bots, I'm sure most don't even announce they are leaving.
I played some leagues but haven't even been logging into my Iron lately. Been playing WoW since SoD came out. Bots be an issue in that game too but I can at least see them ban sometimes with the /who function.
Kind of gave up after 6 months of reporting 200m theivers and them still being around. Ah yea and the boosting discord.
I have a nearly maxed UIM I've been chipping away at for 8 years that's not impacted by the main economy and even I am finding the game is beginning to disgust me. When the economy changes the way players behave changes and simply teleporting to the G.E to get around the map exposes me to a full chat box of RWT services so morbid I immediately start thinking about other games. Currently the only thing I've logged in for in the past month was to test Scurrius on my Varrock Sewers meme UIM and even though it is the most exciting update to ever happen for me as it relates to any of my accounts after a handful of kills I was like "This loot is too good, this exp is too good, it feels like I'm cheating, this boss is really fucken bad for the game" For so many years I've been telling myself "just put in a session here or there and you'll be proud to max an ultimate" Now I'm not even sure if I can continue to be a proud runescape player. And that is no joke, I had to fight against a lot of IRL social judgement in 2013-2014 for admitting that I enjoyed the game. I am autistic and a functional runescape addict so when people like myself are going "ayo, what's the fucken point anymore?" I'd say things aren't in great shape.
@@Jasmine69420 lol not really. Autistic addicts always yell and scream the loudest about everything bothering them, while us casual andys are having a blast and growing in numbers. Sorry but thats the real truth and the numbers support it. Seen about 15 of your replies in this thread. I get your points but really, your clearly just burnt out and unhappy with the direction on some changes, whereas most are not.
The silent majority is a real thing. 8+ year addicts are really at the bottom of the list for what jagex cares about.
And you said it yourself, possibly in one of your other 15 comments. Everything you do ingame is barely affected by bots as an uim, and you're still making quitting threats about the issue.
Bots suck and i dont necessarily agree with the points made in the interview, but i dont think jagex will ever be able to please the top 0.1%, nor should they in my opinion.
Story time with Mat K always a good time. The 50 vs 1 Pk story was hilarious. Just drop the "let the bodies hit floor" RSMV cut and its a wrap. Reminds me of old Maplestory Pre Big Bang times when the Moderators would spawn King Balrog and Zakum on the afk people causing havoc ! Would love to see that now a day. Equivalent of a raid boss being summoned in the Grand Exchange haha wouldn't that be fun xD
Holy fuck I'm rock hard for this
Can't wait to listen to this one! Mat K is a legend, always thankful for his contributions to the game.
Quite enjoyed listening, although I will say Mat K's takes on bots were pretty terrible lol
@@andrewv2782 I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found.
If there were no bots, I'd feel encouraged about the drops that I earn myself since they would be worth more. When I see I level 95 with full max set,.it's just another normal mid-level player. Were living in the future
Those of us who saw this coming realized early that G.E was going to kill the legitimacy of the economy & supported ironman mode was the only way you could have your achievements acknowledged and respected by other players who weren't already your friends.
holy shit what a guest! nice work saebae
Amazing interview. Mat has my utmost respect. One of the finest people to ever work at Jagex
This was great as an interview!
Just got through the whole thing and loved it
i spent 2 decades putting money into my accounts to make them as good as possible, and now i'm playing a f2p ironman and i feel so much at peace. this game is incredible.
Mod Mat worked so hard on OSRS that he hardly knows what a Gameboy is anymore, legend.
what is the silentcore drama? i forgot about that guy
Very rate I sit through a whole one of these. Very interesting! And very entertaining!
wow what an awesome interview
23:17 LOOOOOOOOL
david seamen goalie hands
His argument about botting is a little scuffed.
Item prices sort themselves out over time as people would fill the void. Shitty early game content is shitty content.
So dumb.
Why you think he got fired, he got a little bit to far up hes wife @rs
I never liked the idea of sailing as a skill. I dont mind it being in the game and I think it fits nicely. But sailing could be more like a mini game with everything Matt K said. (Pirates, hiring sailors, looting, fighting, fishing, etc) I mean its a mode of transportation. Wouldn't it be dumb if walking, running, swimming, ballooning, or anything else like this was a skill? It should just naturally be in the game like it already is but instead of making it just a cut scene of a map. Let us actually sail the boat to our destination and do activities on the boat. Like fishing off the boat or diving for treasure, explore new lands, thieving, etc. It doesn't need to be a skill. It should be a vessel for other skills. There are countless other ideas for skills and this is the one the community wants as a skill? Like I said, I think it should be in the game 100% but not as a skill.
He and Ash are/were the only reasons osrs got off the ground, so much respect for their dedication and it's a shame we no longer have Mat K with us :(
Not going to lie, this went a lot different than I expected. I enjoy Mat's character and longstanding engagment with the game, but he's loaded with* hot or just outright bad takes.
The man kept MTX out of the game, that alone makes him a hero
the goat!! lets go
edit: One of my favorite sae bae casts so far for sure. As somebody who played early on then quit for about 8 years, it's super interesting hearing Mat K's perspective on the big changes at the time and how Jagex (and him) felt about certain updates. Can't wait to listen to the rest
I completely agree that it’s headed in a good direction but not the best. We need more innovation. Thats how the game has gotten to the point it is now. We need the next level up.
the man the myth the legend
this gonna be a banger
You can tell Mat K really loves the game, and really loved working on it. He just didn't want to deal with Jagex's higher-ups and shareholders anymore.
Which seems to apply to a lot of ex-Jmods.
My god, this is excellent
The gauntlet is dungeoneering with different skins...
Same as that raid, basically reskin of dungeoneer but then in group form
Great interview! Love to hear how down to earth Mat is. lol
No shot you got Mat K !! Woot woot
This is awesome
I felt mmk's pain when he told that Iron Maiden story 😂
Banger
absolutely love mat k!
Incredible episode
I loved every minute of this podcast, but, maaan i really disagree with Mat's takes on rulebreaking. Endorsing botting and real world trading is unfathomable to me, and he says "does it affect you in any way?" i mean, yeah it does, pretty hugely and in a number of ways, and I could feel Sae trying to think of what to say to counter this but he couldn't think of anything, so he didn't do a great job of arguing against it unfortunately, but I could feel that instinctively he wanted to say "woah hold up" and counter argue. But even that aside, it's just crazy to me to hear someone say "hey why not just make real-world trading and botting legal"
Other than the two moments about rwt/botting, this podcast was pure gold.
I already know this will be a banger!
Mod mat k I predict his returning 🤞 maybe it’s just hope but would be a good day
Such a great guy, great episode
I wonder about bots... They could effect us and even the irons of us. But it partly depends on Jagex ban waves and how they break bots. LMS bots used to be able to beat oda but now they sit there like a deer in headlights, so it helps us even though it removes the flare of winning a bit. If wildy boss bots anti-pk'd, a good amount of ppl would die to it lol but they just tele so its not too much of a headache finding a world. If there were MORE of specific bots, it'd be very antagonizing to players, such as MORE solo wt bots lol
not enough for me to quit over lol i'm too addicted xd lovin the pod so far! always a good listen when Mat K is involved!
I've clocked in thousands of LMS games and seen many iterations of bots.
I must say there's really no winning here, the old terminator bots put up a fight but many of them could just be exploited by 1-ticking, the
afk bots felt like I was doing pvm. And you're right, winning when you'd see first actual player(who would likely be garbage, because bots allowed bad players to cruise to the end) in the semifinals did feel pretty mediocre
Mat K is him.
currently grinding revs on iron and the amount of hopping to find a world is so frustrating, and then once your'e set up you better click the rev the first tick it spawns or a bot will steal it. great cast otherwise, very insightful.
Shit game 😊
my easyscape line was adding slayer rooms to dagannoth kings i was so mad the supply of rings was doubled because i just finished the diary for noted bones and learned to fight for a world lol
MMK is the best. This was so enjoyable! I miss him lol
Mat K is the best guy, love his streams.
I know my comment is late to the game, but I think the reason the bot problem is starting to affect players more is that they have moved on from just doing the mundane tasks to doing high level bosses and full blown raids. So now regular players can't make enough money doing bossing to afford that high level gear because only the top level content is good enough gp/hr now.
If there are lot of bots doing endgame content, that should mean high level gear prices going down since more of them will be entering the economy.
I don't know where you got the idea that "only the top level content is good enough gp/hr" you can earn gp in this game in many ways and you definitely don't need BIS to do the most difficult PvM content, should you find the need to do them
No way you got Mat K to come on the pod bro, love you sae bae !
the pod
What jagex employees always forget to mention is how huge runelite coming was, i could not see myself playing without runelite and the succes runelite has brought to jagex is never mentioned.
I hate the fact how deeply a client that holds your hand everywhere has ingrained in the community
random thought, it's interesting, I've noticed Jmods often refer to rs3 as "runescape" and osrs as "oldschool", whereas the community overwhelmingly says "rs3" and "osrs" respectively. I've noticed this a lot in the past and Mat K is no exception
Yes because RS3 is what the original runescape has become and OSRS is a backup version of the game from right before the Godwars update in 2007 that they used as the base for Old School Runescape. It wasn't originally supposed to have updates and even a lot of us returning to the game intent on playing long term were not sure if the servers would be live for more than a year.
Gteat interview and matt sees it from a player's perspective
A breakfast for champions
"Bots aren't inherently bad". Well yes, makes the game easier to sell when you have inflated player counts. Also helps the JMODs when RWT clans are bribing them lol
MAT K Pogchamp ❤
30 seconds in and im already loving it
Mod Matt K is so based.
Hey i remember mod mat k, the war of legends community never hated anyone more.
this is big
I need private servers and editing tools in my life.
You should get Marstead on
just got done watching his quest cape series. Would like that.
please more of this content
2:32:00 Maybe Mat K working on LBP4 🤔 He said earlier in the episode too that he pitched a Minecraft-like system which players get freedom to create maps, bosses, etc. That would be awesome if that's the direction he's going :D
I believe Mat is responsible for the Corporeal beast AFK feature that Mod reach was fired for and that reach agreed to take the hit to preserve Mat's standing within the company and also so that Mat could ensure none of the other exploits were ever found. I think he wants to move in any direction that makes him more money.
Hearing him talk about botting is so disheartening they just don’t care anymore
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About halfway through. I understand both sides of the bottling arguement but feel indifferent on the matter.
I hope account recovery and false bans are discussed as that feels like a much realer issue to me.
Awful take on botting from Mat, but adds up. Also his statement about how shift click dropping being added was a turning point for the worst part of the game makes no sense since it was a response THEY came up with to banning all forms of ahk. Probably also a response to mobile, but regardless it didn't need to be polled if it was that game breaking lol. The rest of the cast was 👌
Before anyone pops into my notifs about ahk being bad, I just want to say that banning it would be the equivalent of banning all third party clients because some third party clents are bad even though runelite is fine (relatively). Most players used it to mimic WMK and it added way more skill to skilling before dog water shift click dropping was added.
ban bots, match runelite with c++, then add content around low level skilling, bosses that drop supplies and mats, etc, and new items and pets to collect.
I was part of one of those focus groups in new york, everyone was give. $100 each
honestly the main place where jagex really should work on bot detection and banning are where it inhibits the player experience, or where it "cheapens" an achievement, such as inferno.
for player experience things like mining bots, both members and free to play. one place especially the runite rocks in the mining guild. every regular world your're competing with bots. and every total level world you're competing with well other people for a handful of worlds. if anything having more total lvl worlds would likely make the impact of bots seem a lot less severe