UniFi Dream Machine SE - Unboxing and Setup
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- The UniFi Dream Machine SE (model: UDM-SE) is the latest 1U form factor device running UniFi OS. On top of UniFi OS, you can run such applications as UniFi Network, UniFi Protect, Unifi Access, and UniFi Talk.
This model improves upon the original UDM-Pro by adding PoE to the switch ports, a 2.5Gbps WAN port, and an integrated 128GB SSD hard drive for Protect footage.
In this video I unbox the Dream Machine SE, take a look at its guts, and go through the initial setup.
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i just received mine the other day, migrating from a cloud key g2+ and USG was a breeze! backup and restore unifi controller and it automatically deleted the USG, migrated my switches and APs, and then backup/restore the protect app and BAM, cameras were back online. I didn't need to retain any footage off the system as it's just my house, so i'm very happy with how smooth that was.
Thanks for the breakdown video. Regarding your comment at 6:40, as an electronic hardware engineer I’ll attest that visual changes in a design don’t always mean an improvement (or at least what the end user would consider to be an improvement). Could have been done to reduce their costs (w/ or w/o affecting performance), to adapt to components on the older design becoming unavailable or obsolete, or maybe just for compatibility with the new motherboard. We often use different solder mask colors to help make the different versions more easily distinguishable. I know you didn’t mean your comment to be taken so literally, but I find that everyone all too often assume that “changes” are necessarily in their favor.
Hi Chris! Thanks for the review! Have you tried upgrading SSD drive to something bigger and see whether that works fine? Moreover, did placing new HDD enabled 'always' mode in your camera?
Chris, if you have a 1 gigabit or above WAN speed, the UDM-Pro tops at 930 Mbps (the missing 70 is for overhead). But there is a simple way to go beyond: buy a MikroTik S+RJ10 module and stick in SFP+ port 9 which can be configured as WAN2 interface. The MikroTik module connects at the SFP+ (UDMP) side at 10 Gbps and at the ethernet side it can connect to 1, 2.5, 5 or 10 Gbps speeds. Ubiquiti doesn't have a module which can do that.
I have a cable modem with a 2.5 Gbps LAN port and my gigabit subscription is topped at 1070 Mbps. If I run a speedtest with this MikroTik moduele, I'm able to reach the 1000 Mbps (and a little bit above). So, there goes the reason for choosing a UDM-SE for that reason.
And... if you want the get the maximum out of your setup, isn't it better to use a separate switch? I guess if the UDM-Pro doesn't have to do all the switching, is has more resources available for routing and controlling.
Truth, I've done exactly this, just with a different SFP+ module. I did have issues with failover to the 1GbE port though. @Robert Webbe have they resolved that issue where the WAN2 failover to WAN1 was sketch
wow, what a problem to have! haha here in australia we struggle to get 50-100Mbps. Enjoy!
how are you testing the 930Mbps, at most I'm seeing is ~800 with threat management on where I get 920+ with it off?
Is the 2.5G port on the UDM-SE still limited to 1Gbps from the SFP+ LAN port? I know the 8 port switch was limited to a max of 1Gbps to WAN, but not sure if you can go >1G from SFP+ LAN to the 2.5G WAN port. If not then no huge advantage for me to get the UDM-SE over the UDMP besides the POE for a few low traffic IoT devices.
I wouldn't expect anyone who would buy either UDM to use it as their main switch, they would add others. For me there's enough with the SE to justify the price.
i am glad i waited for the SE, that 2.5gb WAN port def boosted my internet speeds by quite a bit thanks to my 2.5gb WAN modem, totally worth it.
I love the LTT Store mat. A man of culture, I see.
Just got my UDM-SE yesterday. Pretty easy to setup. I migrated from the USG and UCK G2 Plus. Make sure they are all up to date and make and save a backup. When the UDM-SE wizard is finished, restore the backups. The only strange thing that happened is my original IP scheme was 192.168.200.XXX, and after I restored the backups, everything is now 192.168.1.XXX. This may have something to do with forgetting to remove the old UCK G2 from the console before restoring the backup to the UDM-SE. The other issue I had was the UDM-SE would not work or recognize a Seagate 8TB Hard Drive. The light remains yellow. I tested the drive and it appears to be ok. But it does work fine with an 8-year old 5TB drive.
I am noticing a substantial performance increase over the USG. Even Unifi Protect runs very fast and smooth now.
Great video Chris! For someone who is just start with these products, I will start with SE.
Same here. This is great if you want to just add up to 4-5 cams or other poe devices.
Great video and exciting upgrades from Ubiquiti. Would love to see a video where you migrate your UDM Pro to the UDM SE to see how well it goes.
I get my UDM-SE delivered on Monday. I am very excited for the 2.5GbE and PoE. I don't have a ton of PoE devices YET, but Im definitely planning to pick up some cameras when they eventually come back in stock.
Hey Chris, great video! I just got mine setup, but I wanted to bring out to this group and anyone thinking of getting a SE, beware. On version 3.0.18 I believe, and had to power down to move it to another area and whamo, it does not boot back up. It doesn't even allow to go into recover mode. I did a search on this issue and it is happening to many folks. It does appear to be a "bug" of some sort, but whether that is hardware based or software, I dont know. Right now it is a brick, and from the comments I have seen, the only resolution is to leave it powered off for a bit, then unplug all, hold in reset when powering back on and get into recover mode. I havent tried this yet, but thought i would bring this out because for the price I paid on it, and Ubiquiti's lack of support in helping resolve it, I would advise to stay away from the SE, at least for now. Unless someone on here has a good solution that they have run across. Was really liking having 8 PoE ports too. Thanks for all your videos though Chris, very informative!!
Have you tried swapping out the internal SSD to a largest capacity? If so, what were the results?
I use a 12TB drive on my UDM PRO! It works perfectly
I really hope my UDM Pro SE Early Access doesn't differentiate too much from the final release. (Except maybe saying "UDM Pro SE" on the front instead of "UDM SE")
About the display controller board: They've changed from a 10+ year old microcontroller to a newer part that's far faster, but with less built-in flash, thus the 256Mb flash chip on the board. Both have USB capability, but maybe they did not implement it on the old one or it's only available via pads on the PCB.
An advantage of this over Ubiquiti's low end POE switches is that you get more total power. For example the USW-16-PoE is limited to 42W, slightly less than the USW-Lite-16-PoE for $100 more. The older 150W switches would be great, but they are never in stock. The UDM-SE should be able to do 150W.
Yeah we opted for the older 150w PoE switch last year for the additional overhead for the same money
I don't think either the SE should have 150W poe inside. 150W is a lot of power to generate inside such a small form factor and will generate a lot of heat. if the switch fails you always can replace it easily with another switch. if the udm fails it will be disastrous and expensive to replace the whole udm.
Thanks for the video, Chris! I have two questions after this video. Since the UXG is stuck in EA/Narnia indefinitely, can you turn off the internal function of the Network? Possibly if you go the business versus home use route, there is a set inform adoption, to can you maybe turn on SSH, and issue the set inform address?
Secondly, backplane speed? With a 10G SFP+ for LAN, it makes me think that with the same port on a switch, I can really get some speed by staying with an L2 network. The UniFi line has always been a bit lethargic in the internet thruput/speed test arena. Do you think that with a 2.5Gb WAN connection, you would be able to utilize all of the WAN (with or without IDS/IPS/DPI)? Unfortunately with of 80+ (Thanks to Reilly) UnifFi systems that I have deployed, I occasionally come across the habitual speed tester and I always get hammered.
I have been waiting for this version to be available, great video
Idk what the max HDD supposed, but i accidentally bought an 18TB on sale. Gave it a go, and it works just fine.
Great vid!!! Question though. Do you know if the RJ45 ports share a 1G back plane like the Pro or have they been upgraded?
They did the POE! Perfection. Now I just wish they were going to become more opensource again like they used to be, but generally it is a good improvement.
Just bought one can't wait to play around with it :)
I’m so ashamed to admit this - but that locking power cable almost makes me want to get one. I decided to set my UDMP near a window and not in a rack either. Predictably, my cat determined that the top of it was a great sleeping spot, which kinda horrified me (‘Airflow! Overheating! Bad Kitty!’) but my wife kinda talked me down a bit and assured me that if Mr. Cat would break it, she wouldn’t fuss about replacing it.
…and then he somehow figured out how to unplug the damn thing. Repeatedly. To the point now where if our WiFi conks out, the first thing I check is the cat and the power plug (other than the feline issue, the UDMP has been solid as a rock.)
I’m kinda rooting for him break it now, tbh…
Get a new cat! 😂
Chris,
Any updates on the UDM-SE? Have you done anything more with it?
Thanks for the video. I have the original UDM Pro. Does the SE have wifi capability or do we need to by an access point
Need an AP
Chris, what i will like to know is what happpens when it the 128gig drive gets filled will the new files over write the old ones? ill like to always keep new footage.
Doesn't SE stand for Special Edition? I just brought one so excited to set it up soon.
Hi Chris, are both SFP+ ports capable of LAN or is one of them WAN only? According to their product description, one of them is listed as WAN but I'm wondering if you can configure it to be a LAN port to potentially connect two 10gig devices.
To the best of my knowledge, it's not currently possible to use the SFP+ WAN port as WAN. Many people have been requesting this feature, and while Ubiquiti has not said "never / not possible", they haven't committed to saying this feature will eventually become available either.
I have the UDM-Pro and a 1gig connection. I always max out around 948mbps down. Coming directly out of my modem to my PC (2.5 to 2.5 NIC’s) I average 1029mbps down. Splitting hairs at that point and truly the cost to provide that speed beyond this one device gets expensive rather quickly (let alone the cost of the UDM Pro, itself) - if you are wanting to stay within the UniFi ecosystem. I went kind of crazy last year and trenched CAT6 over to our next door lot shed and with 4 total (3 house - 1 shed) outdoor AP’s I have WiFi across my entire block (2.4ghz) and then some. 😂 🤷🏼♂️
LMAO the first frame of 2:43 is fantastic! Stop at 2:42 and move through, frame by frame, until you hit 2:43. I feel like that was planted!
Thanks for the heads up, just ordered one on-line
Dann, how’d you get your hands on that piece of unobtainium? 😳 I need this thing in my life 🤤EDIT: Okay, just ordered one, couldn't believe that finally something I want is indeed available and in stock 😂 Can't wait!
I felt the same... It's out of stock again 😂
Chris, what do you think about Ubiquitis firmware policy? It seems that they develop new features like the wireguard VPN server for the UDM Pro SE first, an then need a couple of months to port it to the UDM Pro. From my point of view, this is a big advantage for the SE compared to the normal UDM.
can you tell anything about the noise (with installed harddrive), the original udm pro went from silent to very noisy with an added harddisk (because the fan ramped up a lot)
I don't hear any difference with my SE...
@@1Williams thanks
I bought a UDM Pro directly from Ubiquiti last month - I can confirm that they never updated the power connector to the locking one. That’s new on the SE.
same here. is it worth to return and get this
Great video.. Sales of this unit will be impacted by the fact that ubiquiti have almost no cameras available / in stock at present and this has been the case for months! 😔
As someone who currently works in logistics, some of the differences that don't seem relevant (the display board for example) may be due to supply chain issues. I would imagine that they have tried to procure more than one supplier per part wherever possible.
Other significant differences are that SE PCIE is gen 2. It also runs Unifi-OS on bare metal instead of in container on UbiOS.
Oh interesting - does that mean it gets better performance? Admittedly, I'm running my UDMP at the limit (or above) of the number of devices is supposed to handle, but I regularly have unifi-os get into a non-responsive state, though the bits keep being flung where and how they're supposed to. Have to SSH in and "unifi-os restart" to regain access to the config site.
So, it's the internal SSD or the hard drive on the bay, but not both? would be interesting to use the SSD to store starred videos like an dash cam would.
Great video. Do you happen to know if the UDM SE will detect my existing Amplifi Router and mesh devices?
Can the UDM Pro SE support wifi 6 access points?
How’s the fan noise in this one? Plan is to upgrade from their 3 port gateway but I’m not a fan of loud fans when I’m working beside them lol.
Excellent presentation. Thank you for presenting all the necessary details for a first time buyer!
Great review, once again! Where in the US can you actually find one for sale?
That Kingston drive seems upgradeable. A 1tb m.2-2242 would be fantastic for a few cameras.
I'm wondering the same thing
Wonder if you could use the m.2 as cache to HDD 🤔
SSD is not recommended to use as camera storage. This is because of the limited write/reads of a SSD cell. If you would always record the footage you will need to replace the SSD very occasionally. I have no idea why they included an SSD, seems pointless and a waste. Always use a harddisk!
@@weijde12123 unless you can use it as cache like my Synology NAS does. 😎
@@Supden90 True, but I don't see Ubiquiti implementing that haha 😅
Great video, Thanks for showing the insides! I've seen people complain on reddit and UI forum that the fan behind the drive bay has a tendency to get loud. Do you think it would be easy to replace? Would the Noctua NF-A4x20 be the right replacement? I know replacing the stock fans with those on the USG-4-Pro made a world of difference.
I heard anecdotally on the UI Discord that the SE improves on this over the original.
I just got my UDM-SE up and running and it's been fairly quiet...all I hear is the hdd activity.
Is udm-se memory user upgradable ? Like laptop memory module ? Thanks
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Hi Chris, love your videos, long-time subscriber...
I've been a happy owner to a UDM-SE (EA) for 26 months, which was bought directly from the european Ubiquiti store, hence 24 months warranty.
However there is no RMA or out of warranty repairs provided by Ubiquiti, as most of you probably already know. So this comment aims at getting some advice on a DIY-repair.
The UDM SE died, or rather had a major stroke, for no apperent reason. It was powered via an UPS, but no RPS. Auto-upgrades were disabled, so it couldn't be a no-power-during-upgrade failure. And there was no power outage...
When swiching power on the SPF+ ports light up, but that's it. LCD and ethernet ports are dead. Tried factory reset and emergency recovery mode with everything disconnected, but failed. Maybe the recovery mode works, but there's no way of knowing since port 1 is unresponsive.
So, which component yields this state when breaking down? Hardly a PSU failure? Main cicuit board? PoE-board? Are there spare parts to be found somewhere? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Chris, how loud is the machine, as you were testing with the box right next to you and the laptop??
Hello, thanks for those amazing videos!! I have a question. Is the UDM Pro SE managed or unmanaged ? Because in my country says unmanaged and i am very confused about it.
Thank you in advance
Again thank you for your insightful videos. My setup was completed a few years back on a laptop running Windows. Not sure if I want the UDM SE or maybe go with the separate POE switch. The one question in my mind is how well will the UDMs fair in the garage? The temps around here can see 100 F but not the norm.
The other question; is the Unifi video software preloaded? If so do they include some other media for loading it from scratch? Enjoy the beer, my friend.
On the 1.3 display driver board you pointed out, I just bought my UDM SE and it has the same as the one on your PRO, it is green with black cable plugging into the right side instead of the left. I'm not sure if they swapped back or this was an early version.
Interesting that they have forked the firmware for the UDM-SE vs the UDM Unifi OS with different version numbers. Clearly more to it than just some POE ports and an SSD as evidenced by the main board being much much more busy.
Do you have a video that shows how to upgrade/replace an older UDM pro with another UDM pro or UDM se so that all your networks, Ssids, firewall rules etc etc are transferred? Hopefully its an easy and seamless process
Backup & Restore Processes of the network controller and/or protect is the same as with all other unifi devices. The Main requirememt is to have the same or higher Controller Version on the target side. Backup and restore procedures can be found on UI Support pages. To be on the save side I also suggest to Backup your SSH password from the original in case you need it for troubleshooting.
Hey Chris, Great review as always. I do enjoy the material you publish. One question regarding the UDM Pro SE. The UDM Pro did not allow for any of the ports to be re-assigned as an additional LAN port. So that you could run a separate LAN and have it route between then and have separate firewall rules. Can the SE version do this as I see that as a major limitation of the UDM Pro over the earlier USG Pro.
Yes you could probably do it with VLANS assigned to the ports, but not all clients support VLANs and this is in my view unnecessarily complicated just to have a separate network.
Cheers
Kevin
can you try a different ssd inside of it? maybe a 500gb or TB
Can't wait for these to hit Norwegian retailers, finally replacing a 12U rack with a single U unit!
I want to get my hands on one, are there any new models coming this year?
Thank you for the informative video. The Dream machine has a 10G SFP port. However, all their switches have 10/100/1000 speed ports. Is there a way to get 10G out of the switches? I mean what it is the purpose of having a 10G port, if your switch is going to downgrade it to 1G max? Am I missing something? My ISP offers me 3.5G speeds.
Hi, new to technology. What is the difference between the dream machine and a regular switch. Does it just utilize storage to run cameras. Can you set-up cameras with just a switch and a computer. Can someone list the reasons why someone would buy this and what other machines are needed if buying this machine. THX great video!
Hi Chris, will the UDM SE be able to do dual WAN load ballancing … or do you have recommendations?
Nice vid, question - whats the brand and model on the laptop you use in this video? Specs also - processor, ram, hdd etc
That's an arm board of some kind there using for that touch screen kinds cool
Was the fan any louder at idel and under load vs the UDM Pro to support the POE?
I have not seen this question in this thread but if I missed it, apologies in advance. Can the internal 128gb SSD be upgraded, Will it support up to a 2TB mSATA ?
Great video. Thank you. I want to connect a Home assistant Yellow to one of the PoE ports. Do the Unifi OS provide any statistic on the power consumption on each PoE port. Do you know of any pro and con on having at HA Yellow on a PoE vs a power suply ?
You called it on the G4 doorbell pro. Not sure if you saw the new "Protect Door Lock" on the Unifi early access page
little late to seeing this, but it is a great video. I am newish to networking, and this brings me to a question. is their a reason to get this over something like the cloud key gen2. I know they are not the same thing, but the both have a couple of overlapping features. would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Restoring console from a backup should follow the same steps I imagine?
If upgrading from the UDM-Pro to the UDM-SE, could you backup the full configuration from the pro and restore to the UDM-SE?
You should be able to. When I upgraded from the UCK Gen2 to my UDM-Pro. I took a backup of Network and Protect from the Cloud Key. Then I restored my UDM-Pro from the backup file that was created. It worked flawlessly!
Hi Chris, I am a fan of your great videos. Could you please share with me more information about the digital canvas you have on the wall. Thank you in advance!
Might be a silly question but with the advanced firewall settings of the UDM-SE do you still need to install anti-virus software on your desktop? Not that I really need to but I don't like having programs eating resources if I don't need them.
Is it quiet?
Completely 100% silent
Is the built in SSD maybe just used as a Cache drive for the cameras and then it moves the video on to a bigger drive that you would install in that slot kind of like what you would do for Unraid in order to improve write speeds?
There is another thing to take into account with the SSD storage. Depending on the technology used (EVO or QVO) the MTTF (Mean Time To Failure) may be very short. So even if it were a 4TB in QVO technology it would be a no go for video storage. From the references of the chips controlling the displays, the specsheets and details of their functionalities can be found but unfortunately I cannot read them on the video.
I currently have a UDM (no pro, the R2D2 one). I am interested in setting up Unifi Protect. should I upgrade to UDM Pro SE or buy the unifi NVR instead? Also I do have Gig internet and only a couple PoE injectors. Thoughts?
Thanks for the review. One of my prime complaints with the UDM-Pro was I couldn't mirror the WAN or any of the LAN ports. My question is do the onboard ports have common functionality like port mirroring available now in the SE?
Hello, thnk for your videos... do you know if this brand new UDM SE, can handle WAN load Balacing
PoE ports is a great upgrade! I hope they also include an HDMI port on the UDM pro down the line, i know the viewport exists but i have had terrible experience with it.
They had no excuse to not an additional hard drive bay with the older model. Look how much room!
With the new one, they could of stacked some board layouts that would allow it and made room for a second hard drive. The price is way too high for 1 drive slot. This would be the most perfect device out there some small home or office networks (cameras, Poe for ap, some Ethernet connections for wired devices).
You mentioned about having videos on setting this up and I can't find your other videos on this device.
nice LTT Desk pad Chris. just got mine too
Great video!!! Keep the nice job, one question what is that pad? It looks really nice
I have just ordered one of these, and 5 U6 Pro's for a new WiFi network. I am in South Africa so I am not ordering from the website but rather from a local distributor but I would love to be able to support you by using your affiliate code. Is there any way we can "register" my purchase under your code?
Hehe looking at deploying a udm and associated devices. Now to decide which version to choose, depending also on whether udm-se is available in Australia. My thoughts are that they might direct more engineering resources to the new gear, although the udm-pro hasn't been available for a long time either.
Thanks for your videos Chris. Interesting and easy to follow.
So I have this, and I'm pretty sure this has been asked, but, I can't switch to a unifi protect ecosystem and parlay my SE into my NAS, correct? Talking specifically POE eth cameras.
Hi! Given that I already have a UniFi PoE switch and a UNVR with UniFi Protect application for cameras, so I won't use the PoE ports on the UDM SE nor the HDD slot, is it worth buying a UDM SE over the UDM Pro? Or is the UDM Pro enough?
Does the UDM SE have any other improvements over the UDM Pro? Such as build quality or something else worth considering?
Just had fiber optics installed. I am connected to their modem to my Tough Switch POE (8). Then to my Unifi AP Pros Among more switches. My internet service will not allow me to connect to these managed switches. Question...Is The Dream machine right for me? Thank You
Chris, Will this handle two separate ip addresses?
Hello everyone, I am about to purchase a UDM PRO SE but I had a question. When setting up, do I simply connect a RJ45 cable from my ATT Fiber modem into the WAN port on the SE? Or do i need to go into the ATT fiber modem and put it in bypass or bridge mode for the UDM PRO to get any internet?
Hey Chris, seeing your laptop being coonencted to the UDM-SE with an adapter reminded me of the multi-gigabit adapters that you tested with your old laptop. Have you tested them again? if I remember correctly, the main issue was the thunderbolt version on your old laptop.
Great video btw
Any idea when/if the advanced gateway might be coming out? Kinda thinking about trying one and retiring my old pfsense server if it is good.
Hi Sir, is UDM SE support 'distributed' mode load balancing? Or only 'failover' mode?
Really good review Tom, I have had this model for months here in Ireland, we only have 1Gb GPONs so the only feature I gained was the POE switch. Also hard drive don't like to mount in the SE they don't recognise pre used clean drives very well
You need to do an erase of the partition table. Use WD Lifeguard utility and do a quick erase that wipes the first and last track
Did they also finally fix the problem with the 1G Ethernet Wan Port dropping connections unless you put a switch inbetween?
My Cloud Key Gen2 + recently died on me and I purchased this item to replace it. My question, can I use my more recent back up of my cloud key to setup the UDM-SE? Or do I need to reset and adopt all my Items?
Are we sure the 128gb isn’t just caching for smoother scrubbing of timelines?
I’ll buy one as SOON as they allow me to adopt it via an external controller. When a site goes down, I still get an alert. Fine if they want to leave the protect and other apps hosted onboard… but I absolutely LOVE that site to site VPN if both USG-pros are on the same controller.
Say "innards", 3 times really fast :-) Thank you for the great review and video. It is wonderful to see the internals (oops, innards) of the two side by side. Well done.
Did they allow us to use the 10g wan SFP as a second 10g lan yet? That was a strange omission from the first UDM pro.
Can you upgrade The RAM? If yes, how high and how many slots and there speed?