If you add two smaller carbon fiber tubes stacked on the three, it might feel better in the hand as well, as strengthen it a little. It looks very cool. Nice work.
Love it....whether its a success or fail these kind of projects are what we like to see....most of the people watching channels like these have built their own guitars with traditional methods and materials(or at least tried to) and watched countless other folks do the same but its always refreshing when people try new things,learn new things about themselves and we from them....iam all for something other than the old tired wooden builds...give me,carbon fiber,epoxy,aluminum(melted and poured into a mold)builds,micarta fretboards,hollow semi transparent instruments loaded with lights etc etc etc you name it...maybe that concept ll fail but ll trigger something in someone else watching to try something that he never thought of trying.....that worths more than watching people routing wooden blanks using templates for the billionth time......very cool concept and video my friend....
Hi Mark, In a bazaar crossing of universes I made a Richlite long bow with a Bamboo backer, just held together with resin. The only and best way i found to seal the richlite was Olive oil! Just wiped it on, let id soak in/dry for an hour or 2 and wipe off. When it was dry it gave a fantastic sheen and did not mark from hand sweat.
Great idea on the fretboard inlays. In my work, aerospace, we use an adhesive called impregnated epoxy cloth. Think ducktape, the gray being the adhesive with a cloth like cheesecloth combined. It does need heat and pressure to cure properly. Easily done with a good heat gun and standard clamping. The cloth creates excellent torsional strength. But you got it right for what you are doing. Curious about the hollow tube's effect on sound and residence. Great videos, Brother!
i wonder if you could put a channel down the back of a neck? a concave thing your thumb fits in. I'd keep it matte too. looking forward to the rest of the build.
I think you should fill those triangles with epoxy. It would probably solve a few problems. Most notably any strange vibrations the tubes might introduce when rubbing together.
Maybe you could run 2 neck-lengths of smaller diameter carbon or bamboo tubes in the troughs between the larger 3, it would still have a really unique neck profile w/ various steps you could place your thumb and would prob strengthen the flexible axis more.
This is great. I think it's perfect for GGBO, as there are more than enough traditional guitars entered. To stand out you need to be different, which you got covered for sure :) Also I have no doubts about the strength of it, I'd say it will be even stronger than a usual neck.
It won't break man. I absolutely love your creativity brother. It's refreshing to see your work. On the fretboard, richlite makes their own Hardwax oil!! I think a nice saturating coat of some thin hardwax like OSMO may solve the issue on the fretboard!! If you do spray it, I'd personally go satin!!✌️🤍
Nice!, I would try and get a bit more epoxy in the gaps.Also maybe try and secure the tube at the head stock as torsional stresses might want to de-laminate the fret board from the tube. What tang depth is the fret wire just out of interest?
Love the tube inlays and definitely stick with the matt look 😀 if it was me though I would still fill the gaps between the tubes and fretboard with epoxy, can't hurt to have more stability...
I have zero doubts it will blow up in your face. I think it's much more likely that you find yourself wishing it had a little give. In any event, I'm anxious to see how it all comes together. And I know the sound demo will be awesome.
I'm not sure how many guitarists are like me but I set up all my guitars with zero relief. If there is any give, I'll probably using lighter strings or downtune.
Cool Mark, as my guitar building and a angler rod building experience goes carbon rods has a spine somewhere were carbon comes across with layers. Keep in mind That spine is very important to locate for react the bending of the carbon rods. But hey great work 👌🏼
I think it will work ok although I think i would have splodged ( highly technical term) expoxy between the tubes to tie them together when bonding to the fretboard. You definitely do have some very cool creative ideas 👍
One of the things about epoxy that I don't like is the unpredictable nature of it. You apply it somewhere but then after a few minutes is slowly crawls somewhere else. Clean up after it dries is a pain. That's one of the reasons I was so conservative with it.
Rich Lite is super porous. I made a couple fretboards with it and the TruOil finish was easy but didn't last. Wipe on poly did great and was easy enough. Also, a benefit I found was that the Rich Lite doesn't shrink, so you don't get fret sprout a year after building the neck. However, the natural wood underneath the fretboard, does shrink and you get a witness line that you can feel where the neck and fretboard meet. Great video and interesting idea!
Thanks for being innovative. I think I have commented before that guitarist are so conservative and that all guitars after the early 60's are inferior. Your comments around "but won't it feel weird, yes that's the point; to make you think and feel and thus play differently" are spot on. Sure we can love things about classic and traditional guitars, but we shouldn't limit ourselves to those being the only designs. Not every experiment will work, but the ones that do will help create great things.
Fascinating. How is the weight compared to a traditional neck with truss rod? Is there a particular reason why you did not align the 3 tubes? And do you have any idea how you could implement this concept while maintaining the possibility for a neck pickup?
Looking good man! Looking good! On mine I glued the tubes to the fingerboard and to each other. Assuming epoxy is as strong as CA glue (what I used) you should have no problems. Richlite for my single tube experiment arrived. I'm debating whether to go with a flat radius or not. On yours, I'd give it a clearcoat finish if time allows. I hadn't really thought about finishing the Richlite. I guess oil won't work on a paper composite material, eh? . I would think some sort of clear coat would be required to protect it from dirt buildup. OTOH, the stuff is pretty tough, so perhaps no finish is really required. But clearcoat might reduce the tendency to pick up finger smudge marks.
@@MarkGutierrez Looks like the really tricky part is how to finish the Richlite. Time to do research. They make fingerboards with different colored layers, so you get a pattern as you radius them. So they obviously can be made to look good, or they wouldn't bother with such things. Based on the comments here, an oil - perhaps mineral, linseed, or tung,-based - might work.
Concerning carbon rods. Use crushed Walnut shells for epoxy filler to bind the rods together , and also to the fingerboard. No need to fill up all the empty space, just enough to change the single point where the rod touches the other rod and the fingerboard to 1/4 , 3/8 inch. Walnut shell is harder than any wood. The crushed/powdered shells are used for both Reptile habitat liter , and instead of sand in compressed air blasting of paint, so the metal isn't damaged like it would be w sand. I got mine on line , Pet Co etc. might have it.
Hey Mark, I saw your Carbon fibre guitar neck and clicked on for interest. Wow! GO for it dude. I understand your fear of it failing, bit it is obvious you have already considered deeply so much about so many parts of the design. If it fails, it fails, but you will quickly learn from those failures. I am self studying luthiery, and I am always looking for new solutions to some obvious traditional issues with guitar design. There is a lot of romanticism in guitar building, some should stay, some we should move away from. Really interested to see how tis develops.
next time try adding hatching or a pattern to a fretboard then you wont have to buff it, you could even fill epoxy to make it smooth or just make it pop. maybe heat gun or fire would smooth it?
True. I just watched a Richlite video on how to get a "leather" look. They just use a 3M pad on an oscillating sander and it creates a "textured" look that is way better than buffing.
Found myself thinking how wide the fretboard is at the heel end as a result of the taper, whilst the tubes are parallel resulting in an "overhang". Was that not a consideration during the process, or did I miss something ?
It was 100% a design choice. I played with splaying out the tubes to meet the edge of the tapered fretboard but it didn't look as "neat and tidy" most of the overhang you are seeing ends up over the body. The hands don't notice. Same with the nut. The tubes are wider than the fretboard. This was also a choice. It's different that's for sure.
@@MarkGutierrez Thank You for Your time and reply. I still stand behind my opinion. Richlite is self lubricating material that in fact absorb the fats from the fingers. And beyond tht I wish to thank You for Your work and Your great vids. You have so many crazy ideas and Your videos are so calm and almost like asmr to me. I am inspired by You and I made my project of the body in Shapr3d, and three days ago I had it done in CNC!!! Thank You.
Can't you just fill the space between the tubes with epoxi? It'd be barely invisible, and add some resistence to it, no? I'm a total layman btw, just throwing stuff out. Edit: I got to the 20 min mark now, but I still wanna feel like I participated.
The deadline is getting too close I think! I’m sure you’ll be able to trouble shoot any issues that arise. It’s looking great from what we’ve seen so far.
I just watched a video on bamboo yesterday. Apparently, bamboo is a type of grass, so you still there still isn't wood involved in this build 🤘 Besides which, I think the neck's going to be suuuper heavy if you fill it with epoxy.. like seriously uncomfortably weighty. 🍻
Fingers crossed. I hope this works.
I love using modern materials and interesting products to make guitars.
Love seeing ppl pushing guitar building forward. Great content!
Your guitar builds are very inspiring to me. Awesome! 🤩
It will work great.
Kind of brings to mind a Gittler as far as the neck back goes.
This is so cool. Awesome work!!
Such a cool build, I reckon you got this
Looking good
Holy Moses this is something else man
Such an inspired design!
I love this!!!
I do like it.
If you add two smaller carbon fiber tubes stacked on the three, it might feel better in the hand as well, as strengthen it a little. It looks very cool. Nice work.
That's true, it would be "rounder" in the hand.
Love your videos.
Holy hell, not only is the project amazing but the quality of the video! Instant sub!
I like this, a very unique concept of patience!!!
very cool experimentation, i love this !!👌👍
Very cool idea! Can't wait to see this in action!
i would insert full size dowel into middle tube with trus rod routed in it
I get excited whenever I see you've posted new content Mark... always looking forward to see what kind of innovative idea you have up your sleeve.
Very cool concept man! Its going to be badass!
I love your Videos, real art. The Sound and the atmosphere ❤
Love it....whether its a success or fail these kind of projects are what we like to see....most of the people watching channels like these have built their own guitars with traditional methods and materials(or at least tried to) and watched countless other folks do the same but its always refreshing when people try new things,learn new things about themselves and we from them....iam all for something other than the old tired wooden builds...give me,carbon fiber,epoxy,aluminum(melted and poured into a mold)builds,micarta fretboards,hollow semi transparent instruments loaded with lights etc etc etc you name it...maybe that concept ll fail but ll trigger something in someone else watching to try something that he never thought of trying.....that worths more than watching people routing wooden blanks using templates for the billionth time......very cool concept and video my friend....
I would glue two solid 7 or 8mm carbon rods between the tubes to make it a little more solid and to give it a little more neck profile.
i think when you apply some oil to the fretboard it will look enough glossy :)
Amazing design!
Cheers from Kerrville, Texas!
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Hi Mark, In a bazaar crossing of universes I made a Richlite long bow with a Bamboo backer, just held together with resin. The only and best way i found to seal the richlite was Olive oil! Just wiped it on, let id soak in/dry for an hour or 2 and wipe off. When it was dry it gave a fantastic sheen and did not mark from hand sweat.
So cool, thanks for the tip!
I use Odie's Oil on Richlite fretboards. It gives a very pleasant matt sheen to it.
Great idea on the fretboard inlays. In my work, aerospace, we use an adhesive called impregnated epoxy cloth. Think ducktape, the gray being the adhesive with a cloth like cheesecloth combined. It does need heat and pressure to cure properly. Easily done with a good heat gun and standard clamping. The cloth creates excellent torsional strength. But you got it right for what you are doing. Curious about the hollow tube's effect on sound and residence. Great videos, Brother!
i wonder if you could put a channel down the back of a neck? a concave thing your thumb fits in.
I'd keep it matte too.
looking forward to the rest of the build.
I think you should fill those triangles with epoxy. It would probably solve a few problems. Most notably any strange vibrations the tubes might introduce when rubbing together.
Maybe you could run 2 neck-lengths of smaller diameter carbon or bamboo tubes in the troughs between the larger 3, it would still have a really unique neck profile w/ various steps you could place your thumb and would prob strengthen the flexible axis more.
This is great. I think it's perfect for GGBO, as there are more than enough traditional guitars entered. To stand out you need to be different, which you got covered for sure :)
Also I have no doubts about the strength of it, I'd say it will be even stronger than a usual neck.
It won't break man. I absolutely love your creativity brother. It's refreshing to see your work.
On the fretboard, richlite makes their own Hardwax oil!! I think a nice saturating coat of some thin hardwax like OSMO may solve the issue on the fretboard!! If you do spray it, I'd personally go satin!!✌️🤍
That's right! I forgot they make an oil. I need to look into that. Thanks for reminding me.
A backstrap on the headstock with the richlite (same shape as the headstock with the same ridges) would be a nice touch and would ad some stability.
go with the original look sir, I think it is already lookin great!
first thought , the centre post should be raised above the outer tubes roughly simulating a D shape
Leave it as is. I think It’ll look way more appropriate for the design.
Nice!, I would try and get a bit more epoxy in the gaps.Also maybe try and secure the tube at the head stock as torsional stresses might want to de-laminate the fret board from the tube. What tang depth is the fret wire just out of interest?
Satin Nitro
Love the tube inlays and definitely stick with the matt look 😀 if it was me though I would still fill the gaps between the tubes and fretboard with epoxy, can't hurt to have more stability...
That would be the smart thing to do.
I have zero doubts it will blow up in your face. I think it's much more likely that you find yourself wishing it had a little give. In any event, I'm anxious to see how it all comes together. And I know the sound demo will be awesome.
I'm not sure how many guitarists are like me but I set up all my guitars with zero relief. If there is any give, I'll probably using lighter strings or downtune.
Yeah, my bet is it will be perfect.
I am very curieus how the guitar will be. Please finish it!
Cool Mark, as my guitar building and a angler rod building experience goes carbon rods has a spine somewhere were carbon comes across with layers. Keep in mind That spine is very important to locate for react the bending of the carbon rods. But hey great work 👌🏼
What about the possibility of using a larger diameter tube cut in half for a neck?
I think it will work ok although I think i would have splodged ( highly technical term) expoxy between the tubes to tie them together when bonding to the fretboard.
You definitely do have some very cool creative ideas 👍
One of the things about epoxy that I don't like is the unpredictable nature of it. You apply it somewhere but then after a few minutes is slowly crawls somewhere else. Clean up after it dries is a pain. That's one of the reasons I was so conservative with it.
Rich Lite is super porous. I made a couple fretboards with it and the TruOil finish was easy but didn't last. Wipe on poly did great and was easy enough. Also, a benefit I found was that the Rich Lite doesn't shrink, so you don't get fret sprout a year after building the neck. However, the natural wood underneath the fretboard, does shrink and you get a witness line that you can feel where the neck and fretboard meet. Great video and interesting idea!
Hmm, wipe on poly sounds intriguing.
Richlite sounds like a pain. I'm really enjoying this experiment though!
It truly is. I wonder if the faux wood richilite is better at mimicking sanded wood.
Thanks for being innovative. I think I have commented before that guitarist are so conservative and that all guitars after the early 60's are inferior. Your comments around "but won't it feel weird, yes that's the point; to make you think and feel and thus play differently" are spot on. Sure we can love things about classic and traditional guitars, but we shouldn't limit ourselves to those being the only designs. Not every experiment will work, but the ones that do will help create great things.
Fascinating. How is the weight compared to a traditional neck with truss rod? Is there a particular reason why you did not align the 3 tubes? And do you have any idea how you could implement this concept while maintaining the possibility for a neck pickup?
Looking good man! Looking good! On mine I glued the tubes to the fingerboard and to each other. Assuming epoxy is as strong as CA glue (what I used) you should have no problems. Richlite for my single tube experiment arrived. I'm debating whether to go with a flat radius or not. On yours, I'd give it a clearcoat finish if time allows. I hadn't really thought about finishing the Richlite. I guess oil won't work on a paper composite material, eh? . I would think some sort of clear coat would be required to protect it from dirt buildup. OTOH, the stuff is pretty tough, so perhaps no finish is really required. But clearcoat might reduce the tendency to pick up finger smudge marks.
I regret putting a radius on the richilite. I debated going with a flat radius. A flat radius would have solved my finish problem.
@@MarkGutierrez Looks like the really tricky part is how to finish the Richlite. Time to do research. They make fingerboards with different colored layers, so you get a pattern as you radius them. So they obviously can be made to look good, or they wouldn't bother with such things. Based on the comments here, an oil - perhaps mineral, linseed, or tung,-based - might work.
Concerning carbon rods. Use crushed Walnut shells for epoxy filler to bind the rods together , and also to the fingerboard. No need to fill up all the empty space, just enough to change the single point where the rod touches the other rod and the fingerboard to 1/4 , 3/8 inch. Walnut shell is harder than any wood. The crushed/powdered shells are used for both Reptile habitat liter , and instead of sand in compressed air blasting of paint, so the metal isn't damaged like it would be w sand. I got mine on line , Pet Co etc. might have it.
Great suggestion.
I built a 12 sting out of stealth aircraft smogglel out of Lockheed !
Hey Mark, I saw your Carbon fibre guitar neck and clicked on for interest. Wow! GO for it dude. I understand your fear of it failing, bit it is obvious you have already considered deeply so much about so many parts of the design. If it fails, it fails, but you will quickly learn from those failures. I am self studying luthiery, and I am always looking for new solutions to some obvious traditional issues with guitar design. There is a lot of romanticism in guitar building, some should stay, some we should move away from. Really interested to see how tis develops.
next time try adding hatching or a pattern to a fretboard then you wont have to buff it, you could even fill epoxy to make it smooth or just make it pop.
maybe heat gun or fire would smooth it?
True. I just watched a Richlite video on how to get a "leather" look. They just use a 3M pad on an oscillating sander and it creates a "textured" look that is way better than buffing.
Found myself thinking how wide the fretboard is at the heel end as a result of the taper, whilst the tubes are parallel resulting in an "overhang". Was that not a consideration during the process, or did I miss something ?
It was 100% a design choice. I played with splaying out the tubes to meet the edge of the tapered fretboard but it didn't look as "neat and tidy" most of the overhang you are seeing ends up over the body. The hands don't notice. Same with the nut. The tubes are wider than the fretboard. This was also a choice. It's different that's for sure.
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Comunque ottimo lavoro 👍
had the same idea.
Maybe You should try to use oil to make the richlite look/feel better
The richlite doesn't look porous to me. Not sure oil will do anything except wipe off completely.
@@MarkGutierrez Thank You for Your time and reply. I still stand behind my opinion. Richlite is self lubricating material that in fact absorb the fats from the fingers. And beyond tht I wish to thank You for Your work and Your great vids. You have so many crazy ideas and Your videos are so calm and almost like asmr to me. I am inspired by You and I made my project of the body in Shapr3d, and three days ago I had it done in CNC!!!
Thank You.
I hope you went with the satin nitro, that fingerboard looks ashy
Music Man produced some Modulus fiber Cutlas models in the mid 80’s. Don’t believe they were mass produced.
Awesome build, I would rather hear you explain each step than listen to the music
Don't spray! Keep it "natural" (as natural as a neck made of composite carbon fiber can be I guess).
Shhh mark you need to whisper! Youre going to wake up your parents! 🤫
NO its 100% going to work.
Can't you just fill the space between the tubes with epoxi? It'd be barely invisible, and add some resistence to it, no? I'm a total layman btw, just throwing stuff out.
Edit: I got to the 20 min mark now, but I still wanna feel like I participated.
Just hold on now for one second…
Downstairs
How big of a footprint is that going to leave??
The deadline is getting too close I think! I’m sure you’ll be able to trouble shoot any issues that arise. It’s looking great from what we’ve seen so far.
It's definitely not the way I'm used to building, I like to take my time.
nice video honestly great but why does the music make it seem like I am playing a silent hill horror game???
I just watched a video on bamboo yesterday. Apparently, bamboo is a type of grass, so you still there still isn't wood involved in this build 🤘
Besides which, I think the neck's going to be suuuper heavy if you fill it with epoxy.. like seriously uncomfortably weighty.
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No zero fret? A missed opportunity there…
I need a nut mostly for the string break angle to the locking clamp.
Want to sale me one?
Leave off the nitro