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Question: I see the options such as the first krugs call and the top crab, but the enemy jng just came from there. How do you know that it's up? Why would you go somewhere you assume is down rather than go somewhere you know your camps are up? The only reason the plays you claim work is because you know that they are up, so how do you know they're up?
Also, challenge request: Send Hector (for maximum amusement/torture) into specifically br4, no lower no higher, then have him climb to silver. He will play ADC without a duo and the challenge doesn't start until his support is a bot, but that's 95% of those games so it should be an easy ask
What if we are losing 1v1, we can't go for fight, pushing scuttle down would be best option since things in lol are different depending on champions and players there is more than one correct answer and I don't need to know matchup of 2 junglers I player less than 5 games
This just once again confirms my biggest issue is playing on autopilot. I was able to answer all of these questions correctly, but I know for a fact I would have made the wrong decisions in a game simply due to not actively thinking about it.
Right? Everytime I'd say the wrong answer instantly then remember to check the lanes and then say the right one. Prolly why im silver 4
I answered all of these right and I’m still hard stuck silver . What should I do when I have to 3v5 every single game
@@Obito1994 you don't, that's just simply not true. Everyone has to deal with trolls and afks, over a large number of games it doesn't stop anyone from climbing.
@@fisher00769 Any tips to climb from Iron 1? Here is my opgg: EUNE TheSinnerShadow
Be harsh roast me spit facts just say the truth about me I love this game and want to get better at it
most of the "right answers" are actually wrong. even low elo player should tell this. the first play is a flip and most of the plays are too. even high elo like agurin calls this bs
12:40 I think most people would be tempted to go for the kill and try and get out before bot and mid collapse, since Vi's bursty. That took some serious self control.
Not to forget that its plat and not challenger and no one watches map untill they get pinged to do so 100+times
Yeah I definitely threw my lead there
Most brain dead players*
I know girls I showed this game to that haven’t even been playing for longer than a month or two that would know better than to try that. This is one of the only games where 60% of the playerbase doesn’t have common sense and is mind boggled the moment they realize some players do
i love these test your knowledge type of videos. would love to see more
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@@MrBurlls thats such an obvious bot/paid comment its unbelievable
Yes I agree the decision making is a huge aspect, so the role of the jungler is super important. But I believe this kind of advices are way better for already gold-platinum players instead of Iron - Bronze. Because here, you are not worried about your decision making but about "Which one of these lanes is going to die 6 times in a row until minute 8?"
They don't follow up when you gank ( even if you ping like a mad man)
They still fight after loosing 2-3 times doing the same strategy that lead them to failure
They blame you because they can not assume the responsability of dying 1vs1
We all want to see how does a pro player carries a game when his bot side has adc 1/9/2 ; support 0/12/2 score. Something that happens almost 75% of the games. This kind of "trick" we care about.
It is statistically unlikely that it only happens to your team, out of a big sample of games, it is more like a 50%/50% happening for your team or the enemy one and if you make better decisions as the only player in the game you can control and be better overall than other people in your elo, you gonna change that probability in your favor eventually.
every fucking single game in iron-silver.... if u play jgl, the botlane feeds... if u play supp or adc, your top jgl sux... this is just horrible
@@IsaacMourao couldn't have been said better
That trick you will not learn. Pros pubstomp low elo, they are soo much better they go 20/0 and 1v5 the enemy team. But this skill can not be taught in a video. This is talent experience knowledge
When you gank it should be a money sign not a let me relieve pressure sign. Don't gank a lane that you can solo kill.
This channel helped me so much, 2 years ago I was a silver 4 player and now I'm Diamond 2, gonna try to get to master this season still, wish me luck!
I only don't sign to your website because your currency is worth 5x mine, literally, it's way too expensive for me.
I would like to say I got all of these right except the freeze for top. But I just feel like I hesitate a little too much in game with this
Same :D I would have crushed the wave in the tower.
The problem aren't these decisions the problem is consciously making them through out the course of a game.
Losers queue is a myth only if you're way above your rank....if youre somehow 3-5 divisions above...then team mates are a huge thing.....and ofc with games eventually it evens out.....but then the problem is that it takes a lot of games....so if you lose 5 consecutive games for the most part due to your team mates.....then recover those is going to cost you with a win rate over (70%) ...11 games...like 11 hours....ofc if you're better you climb...but should take that long....but it is something they can not solve, as most low elo players do not even identify who had the fault on losing a game...
Losers queue is absolutely real, riot patented it, look up the video The Real Truth of |Losers Queue by HappyChimeNoises|
Was in winners queue today because every single time the enemy team had a deranking bot or someone running it down to advertise their deranking website/ discord. My team had scripting adcs. 8 wins in a row.
Most of the questions beyond the first omits information that would be valuable to know for choosing the right answer, you only give that info out after asking the question. Kinda defeats the purpose of asking people to solve a puzzle when you deliberately hold back pieces.
"Mechanical skill is not important"
"I would just correct my Q with my own flash."
:)
@Skill Capped
FYI your first video example says Japanese Import is on VI, which is correct, but you show a picture of Wukong as the other jungler, which in the first video is Diana. So it was a little confusing when initially watching the video
In every video of theirs I have seen there is a small error like this. At this point I believe it's intentional because it causes people to comment.
Why skip blue on the first clear after invading? Tempo for a potential bot counter invade? For me it makes no sense because we wouldnt get in time there or not?
4:55 you press tab and can see that diana only has 3 charges on smite item so why say that kiting crab down is wishful thinking when you know you have the same smite timer and she wont be able to walk down in time to steal if you don't give her a q-e as it's only a 5-second cd for smite and she would have to walk around.
The easy answer is that he just didn't see it mid gameplay. Sometimes people miss things and it still turned out okay 🤷♂️
Vi's smite will be up before Diana's since Diana is running resolve for some reason, so definitely very easy to just take crab in that situation
Ad a diamond 3 jng I've an important question, why after the LV 1 invade we took red raptor gromp and skipped our blue?
You wouldn't get level 3 that way and couldn't react to say the enemy jungler coming into your blue or red side.
Watching this just show how much of a different game Evelynn plays apart from other champions.
5:18 Your team is not available in bot lane and mid-lane is occupied. Honestly in this situation, if you're able to, get vision in the area and the retreat back to your jungle and then come back to bot because its likely you'll be able to make a play off of ADC's powerspike.
You have Krugs up at that moment. You can double back and just collect them before assisting bot lane with a re-gank since you KNOW that enemy Diana is going to be out of the area.
you should highlight the emphasis that map awareness plays into this, you make a lot of great assumptions through the map without directly acknowledging "look at the map every so often"
There were def a few here that I got wrong 100%. The main takeaway is look at the map!
How important is lane priority in low elo? Laners aren’t looking at their minimap very often and don’t rotate a lot so how would a jungler’s decision making change in these situations if it would change at all?
There is still a chance that they will rotate, esp if you ping on top of them. It’s a game of chances. There is a greater chance of success with priority than without.
I'm not a jungler, but I though it was more common for low elo laners to rotate too much. They don't mind if they're being hard pushed, or if they're giving a freeze for free
well, it's not guaranteed to happen, but it increases the chance of that to happen. And you should want to make the chance of things go your way as high as possible or else you don't have control of your game and then lose.
I don't agree with the scuttle play, Diana, in order to get vision has already moved up at least 1-2 s away from scuttle and your smite is about to go off cooldown. With a strong auto champ like vi+smite you can easily secure and push down scuttle with little to no chance of Diana contesting.
Also, had you not moved up and fact-checked into Diana, she would not have landed her ability and even been able to attack you in the first place. Diana has no gap close with out landing her skillshot
I have watched almost all of your jungle videos and this is by far the best. PLEASE KEEP DOING THESE QUESTIONS SO WE CAN LEARN
11:10 lol you stole his cannon XD
I think question 2 misses some important points... if your bot lane decides to contest crab with you they throw away their base timing and good wave state completely, and they'll lose almost all the advantage they gained from the kill. Contesting crab and potentially baiting your team into an overstay is, in my opinion, a horrible move in soloQ, especially considering how close the fight between you and diana was in the optimal case where your bot doesn't help you and completes their base. You seem confident there was no way for you to lose the fight, but you ALSO said you didn't know diana's smite status, and winning that 1v1 was predicated on winning the smite battle for scuttle and spiking lv4, which essentially makes it a narrow 50/50 play. Taking the W, ceding the crab, and finishing your clear seems infinitely less risky here.
Open to debate. Would love to hear counterpoints.
Yeah there was plenty of context missed here especially given that vi can gap close without land a skillshot... and Diana can't... a more appropriate counterplay would have been either getting vision top or pressuring her to have to walk down out of her jungle towards scuttle to gap close on you or scuttle had she hit scuttle, you could smite to steal it
also, krugs instead of recall? they're sitting on over 1500 gold which buys them tier 2 boots + longsword which will not only give a clear tempo boost (but also speed up running to krugs and then pressure bot with item advantage)
well look at that the very next scenario would have been solved by just going back first, getting item boost and then take krugs + pressuring bot for a gank with the ability to stomp Diana if she tried to counterjungle
Love getting just about all the answers correct but still live in bronze
Turn on the brain in game then man
8:47 shouldn't Diana take the scuttle before sequencing back down?
Question: I see the options such as the first krugs call and the top crab, but the enemy jng just came from there. How do you know that it's up? Why would you go somewhere you assume is down rather than go somewhere you know your camps are up? The only reason the plays you claim work is because you know that they are up, so how do you know they're up?
You can check cs when you first see the enemy jungle, also if they have 24 cs and are still level 3, they 5 camped into scuttle and probably skipped kruggs
2nd question: Tbh if you’re stronger then Diana early I guess it s a valid play but as (Evelynn) I wouldn’t attempt that with my laners being less then 50% health
Ok just a random diamond players noob question:
Why would Xayah/Zilean ever want to contest scuttle after pushing the wave out? Their HP bars are low and enemy botlane will be on their way back to lane by the time the wave is pushed out. Enemy botlane arriving while you fight for scuttle is a good way to lose the early game there, no?
i have a question do u edit the minimap after the recording or do u do the icons of the champs ingame bigger and if u do it ingame how?
Its impossible to make tood decisions when you have your team pinging you and flaming you when they die under enemy tower lol
i can garente that if you help your botlane to shove minion wave there is a 95% chance that they will go mental boom and possibly throw the game if its gold or below XD
no way that first one is the correct play
your implying this information to players who are mechanically worse then higher elo
so your forcing them to make a risky play over a safe play going blue is a better clear even to there red after is better
A: if tryn wardrd red you die, to a 3 man invade
B: if warded you lose bot side and he can clear accordingly
C: stop forcing play safe and youll climb faster i promise you that lowering your deaths will improve your win rates
they are telling you to do a risky play if warded cassio and tryn collapse and you lose or even there jgl
everything else i fully agree too, i made every same decision after first one
nice
but i still believe first one is a incorrect play
The odds of Tryndamere warding Diana's red is very low, given as he saw Vi invading bot; if we were going to place a ward, he would place it in Vi's blue side, which is normally much more helpful and completely safe. In addition, it's very unlikely he placed a ward before he saw the invade just because he'd be wasting a huge amount of the ward's duration
It’s the “top gap I beat shittrox” that’s got me rolling
I am sorry, but losers que exists, but not for challenger players, grandmaster or master players.
I am in high platin and it often happens that when I go on a winningstreak, that I afterwards get two or three people with 42-46% winrate on my team for 10-15 games.
The reason why the players mentioned above dont get stuck in losers que when they are smurfing is simply because they can carry it due to their high game knowledge and ability to make only one or no mistakes during the game.
Even tho i dont play jungle i like to know how they operate :)
yes, everyone should learn jg macro. so that way they wouldn't be shouting at their jger
Why would you want to take the scuddle if Diana could be using the inside out rule. You would have waisted too much time and when you are clearing down your bot lane will be back on lane so you could do drake after ganking bot or mid. Would be what i would think in a game
And that is why you are stuck in gold my friend. When you are snowballing out of control like this you dont wanna waste huge amount of momentum doing dragon and possibly even coinflipping the game. :-D
@@frankwhite2676 I'm high plat, and he is right.
There is NO WAY in my elo that crab would have been up, Diana got there (could have gotten there) 1 min 30 before Vi and knew she was late and that she didn't clear it previously.
But this Diana is gold, maybe silver, and went bot even tho she had no camps there, knowing VI could only go top, and leaving her topside jungle exposed for a drake. Which means that after the drake, if VI invaded (and anyone in high elo would) Diana would have had a pretty big window with no camps to farm or lanes to gank.
The scuttle there was a "I'm in low elo and if he messed up like a low elo I win big" move
He is not 100% right tho, I wouldn't have done the drake anyway if I was the VI.
@@lorenzosotroppofigo1641 this video is bullshit and the "screenshots" he puts are very misleading holy shit
4:47 nop you just dont know, go and try to get crab if the matchup gives you advantage, you can go farm your last camp diana is not going to gank level 3 against 2 champions, that probably are level 3 also, and last one, maybe in high elo you can push bot lane so your adc and supp helps you take crab, but bot lane always is going to prefer back, adc needs 3 items to do something in the game. I prefer saving my smite to just steal the crab if is necessary and then go and finish the rest of my jg
I sometimes hear from my Teammates "Yeah that's the right theory but you can't always apply that in practice"
For example, they told me not to split push as adc, even though i had more gold in the end than the enemy with 4 kills more
you probably can't 1v2 enemies as an split pushing top could. so as long as you avoid fighting or getting caught, you can absolutely split push
@@afoolishdreamer1567 Even if you get caught, In the video about it, SC explained that with pressure on the map, dying as an adc is nothing compared to what your team gets on the other side of the map
@@heidtb6746 That's IF they get something, limit testing is fine and all but if you split push it's to make the enemy waste time, it's a whole lot better if you dont die in the process
What's the sandstor-I mean, song playing in the background?
5:49 there is one small issue you have your smite in 6 seconds i saw that before questions, and why not lust take the crab?
I have to say, I think I only got two "incorrect" answers, but that's probably because I'm a Wild Rift player and taking the crab is relatively fast.
Lol the first scenario, if i am diana, when u invade my blue, i can call top or mid ward your blue, and when ur bot show up at lane first, i ady know u invade my red ady, i straight can call top ply safe abit cause top around top side and invade ur red, and i can choose either cover mid or just gank bot.
jug is the captain of the team
Wait 0:54 is tarzaned? He literally had a mental breakdown in one of my games
i wouldnt recomend telling low players to invade consistently lvl1 just because you saw the enemy on the other side, want it or not its a bit cheese and it kinda artificially makes you win, which means you dont learn how to play and why you are taking the decisions
Losers and winners queue ARE a thing. It's been proven that game dev companies train their matchmaking algorithm to optimize your win-lose sequence in order to maximize the time you spend playing the game. Of course you'll overcome that when you are a top 0.1% player against a bunch of golds...
I would also push bot, but at my low elo I frequently get trashtalk for this from adc ("you take my exp and gold!"). Then these adcs do not want to help me in any situation or even report...
Why would going for scuttle crab at the timestamp 8:11 in the video make any sense? Diana already had quite a bit of time it, BEFORE you cleared half your entire jungle. Why assume it is even up, that seems rather stupid.
i was surprised that you guys didnt turn on the diana actually
'' winners or looser queu is a myth '' was brought you by, '' SKILL CAP''
knowledge check vids are some of the best
Pushing the wave has another perk, it gets you much needed XP that Diana won’t get.
although it's being shared 3 ways so it's not THAT much. but every bit counts
@@jordanoharegibson1610 1/3(plus a bit)wave is so much XP for jungle. If you push lane after 2 successful ganks, you can get level 6 before the 7 minute mark.
11:40 im not sure. help veigar push lane i mean veigar need stacks. Pushing his lane would denie him some stacks would it?
The second example was kinda bad ngl. 3rd option was just option 2 with an extra 2 seconds for pushing lane. You didn't give the full choice of 3 either since that would make the set up pointless
Does JI do coaching? Really love his commentary, very insightful.
He surely does.
this wont never work down in gold or below because ur teammates dont understand pings or what the mini map is
Howd you get over the wall at 13:10?
That way of playing is indeed Vi-able though
The clip at 6:00 is the same one from the 22 Sept video. Why is this the "right" play? If Diana smited faster than you, then you would have lost. Is this only "right" because she didn't?
Insane how i can get around 70% of good awnser and be a Gold player with 0 macro when im playing
I managed to get to Platin some seasons ago by the following decisionmaking:
Be Janna. Follow adc. Shield when dmg is incoming. Protect. adc. at. all. cost.
It stopped being viable at some point.
13:12 red buff gave you vision for your ult after her flash?
I think loser queue actually stands for the negative streak that you can have, its real, it just happens, though its not the game matching you wrong on purpose to lose, that is not true.
Yes it is watch the video “the truth about losers queue” by happy chime noises
It’s a concrete fact based video on how and exactly why losers queue is real and works
when u were stuck in the rift wall u could just ult on diana and then smite the herlad
shelly needs a hug sometimes too lol
Could you explain to me how some Smurfs or Macro'in scumbag boosters are able to do such silly insane damage?
Literally level 1 Riven vs me as Nasus, sure Nasus isn't a beast at low levels, but she absolutely oblisterates me in like 3 seconds, can't even get away from her at level 1. Pretty much face tanks turrets and slaps champs down without problem, sits on a 36 KDR by the end.
Same with a lvl 1 Viktor who seems to melt half your HP in 1 hit, would love to know how they do this.
I know this will sound frustrating (and it is), but that's a Riven thing. She has one of the strongest lvl 1 in the game. Someone who knows this will not fight for push and stand far back for a while. Sometimes champs just can't outdamage the enemy, so they have to wait for enemy mistakes or specific powerspikes.
I think the reason it feels like challengers somehow do more damage is that they know damn well when they have an advantage, as small as it is, and use it immediately. Low elo players often miss opportunities that we don't know are there, because it's hard for us to know our strength based on items, levels and champion identity, and we kinda tend to just look at kills to get a vague idea (which of course, doesn't work in early).
It adds to the frustration when we face a champion feeling all chill and confident from previous experiences, and they "randomly" all in and destroys us. Turns out, it's hard to get an idea of how strong a champion is when it is played by other low elo players who don't all in when they should. Then a better player (or just a one trick) surprises us and stuff gets really confusing.
@@crisrodriguez5693 no its literally like Viktor too, you hit a squish with your beam at lvl 1,does nothing, they hit you with a squish and half your health's gone, it's like they've got a double damage mod.. And then other random it does nothing.
I wish they'd ban macros too, it's pathetic gameplay
@@Ionstorm I'm sorry, I think I don't understand anything in this comment. What do you mean by macros?
@@crisrodriguez5693 You don't know what macros are or how they're used in LOL? (and other games)?
I’m gonna stop you right there. Loser queue absolutely exists. It’s called low priority queue and it’s very real. Got kapernicked at the beginning of the year and I’m now just starting to win games again
uh with the scuttle thing, you would have smite up if you pushed the scuttle down either way. why would you risk getting killed knnowing botlane could be there and not just push it down and then stall it?
like tristana could just w and youre gone, it would be way better to just have it the scuttle pushed bot
What about karasmai having 15loses even tho almost every of his game he was fed he was ganking well but team was just dying 2v1 or sometimes 3v1 doing nothing
It isn’t about winners or losers queue, that is not how it works. But it isn’t a myth.
7:25 those avatars looked so scuffed lmao
It feels like I'm in smurf queue, I'm in silver 4 and I keep ending up in games with plat and gold players. I blame your videos XD
I like the multiple choice format but I think it’s a crutch,
I think if you leave the questions open ended they would be a bit more revealing. I usually get these right but in game I have no idea how to come up with a plethora of options on the fly like that!
im sorry but losers queue is a thing, been consistently getting afks on my team (about 30% of all my maches), while ive only sen a single afk on the enemy team the last month
Vi-able? Well played.
And people think this guy is talking right? He is literally clueless and many decisions are just wrong🤦♂️
"My way of playing is not the only *VI* able way..."
You cant just pause game and think. Thats why you need to play tons of games to build pattern recognition.
If it was 6.99 a month I would definitely subscribe, but swallowing the yearly cost in lump sum is tough
Okay, 9/10 correct decisions by me, and I’m still in Iron… 😂 I want my money back. Maybe I autopilot in-game… or stupid teammates invite constant chaos, or I just only play 2 rank games per week. 😅
dont listen to this ... even agurin says that's troll
Why are the champ icons on the map so big
4:45 but what if diana comes to bot and sandwiches us with the tower?
Not the only VIable way? ‘Cause you’re playing Vi?
…. Yeah I failed the quiz.
This video was actually incredible. Wish there were more like it
haha looked funny when u go for Q and get stuck behind herald xD
Why at the start, is it a pic of Wukong instead of Diana?
good video learned alot!
challenger NA = Chinese Bronze III
but why tax the cannon at 11:09 tho?
5:12 only one I got wrong (chose B)
Love these videos, but the first question was unfair. You lied and said Wukong was the enemy jungler.
Tell me how do I climb at all with +12 -17
Is this video re-uploaded?
One of your best videos! This one will make me have a Look on your Website. I enjoy this decision making Content alot and Like to See more of it on yt. Although i am Not a jungler this was super interesting
Some players is always losing for making a wrong decision, lag, or afk. thats why losers queue and winners queue are real
Is diamond elo a low elo or high elo?
i answered all of them but in game am just an unga bunga plat stuck
that'd be 350$ sir
i would love to guide a challenger player in a game, i feel i could make decent decisions
As a vi main I thank you