This legend of a hypercar is not only the most practical 240 mph car ever, but also the most practical hypercar ever with 3 seats and 3 trunks. This is the original first hypercar. Who’s watching in 2,018?
Naturally aspirated or not, 391km/h (244mph) is insane for 16 year-old technology! The F1 was undeniably ahead of its time, and given that, it is IMO more impressive than the Veyron or any other Hypercar out there.
There are various renditions of the car. There is a slightly toned down version that is designed for endurance. But it sacrifices top speed for long distance.
@beankeen456 The track is Ehra-Lessien in Germany, which is owned by Volkswagen, and yes - it's same track used by Top Gear for their Veyron top speed run. The track is much, much larger than Nardo with a main straight 9km long. Total track length is c.20km.
Finally someone else who sees things the way I do. Although I will say that the GT40 is still an amazing car considering it was only a 427ci V8 that could go 240mph at LeMans. And the F1 was built as a road car and a track car. It was built for use everyday and so you could take it to the track and abuse it and take it to work the next day, which is what makes that car so amazing and in my opinion the best car ever built.
@E34BMW535i Last time I checked the McLaren was designed and built in Woking, England. The designer is Gordon Murray, who was born in South Africa. The engine is BMW though, but that is merely a bi-product considering how advanced the rest of the car is. To think it did 391km/h with only 635hp shows its aerodynamics are top class.
Thanks for posting this, love when he drops the hammer coming off the banking. That V12 is spectacular. Best motor ever built I think. Until we suspend laws of gravity or physics, this car may never be beat...
@ILive4BB Why? If you are building a super fast car you make the top gear's overall ratio ideal for flat out top speed whether it has 3 gears or 12. An extra gear would make it fractionally heavier. If the sixth gear has the wrong ratio changing that ratio would be better than adding an extra gear.
It's called Ehra-Lessien - VW owned test track. Info from Wiki... There is a high speed circuit with an unbroken straight of 9 km in length, on which the top speed of several of the cars developed may be determined. Though this portion of the track is absolutely flat and level, when standing at one end of the straight, the other end cannot be seen due to the curvature of the Earth.
Ok, the Type C wasn't a production vehicle. But it already broken the McLaren's record for topspeed with a staggering 432 kph (268 mph) on January the 28th, 1938 with Bernd Rosemeyer at the wheel. ;) Back then it was a streetlegal car like many other Formula 1 cars. Like the Bugatti Type 57, or Mercedes-Benz W25. And you told me I had to do my research. How ironic.
what i wanna know is WHERE did they do this test? is it the old Avus track in germany that they used for pre war GPs. Even pre 1939 the 600hp plus GrandPrix Mercs, Auto unions and Alfas (two engined the alfa was and chewed its tyres and fuel in just a few laps) did over 200mph on that track. It had two massively long straights (like MILES long) with one banked corner at each end. Was it avus they used? any ideas?
@DVGTS1 ur right. The GTR is slower than the f1 in terms of top-speed, but in terms of sheer acceleration, it has no par. Because of its low weight of ~900kg and very short gearing, it goes from 0-300kmh in less than 12s.Thats faster than a veyron.
@LucaBeckenbauer True. However the mechanical friction and the friction from the road is insignificant compared to the aerodynamic drag. We're talking a few percent or probably less compared to the forces of the drag. This is the main reason they put a lot of work into good aerodynamics.
we had the McLaren Fl LM on display at our regional office and i have to say that it was amazing looking at that car and the details of its design. i wish i could take one for a spin. the car is wider than i thought.
As Mario Andretti noted in a comparison test, the F1 is fully capable of pulling a seventh gear, thus with a higher gear ratio or a seventh gear the McLaren F1 would probably be able to reach an even greater top speed -- something which can also be observed by noticing that the top speed was reached at 7800 rpm while the peak power is reached at 7400 RPM. One more thing is that Mario first turned to Honda asked about engine but they said NO, cant be done.
You're definitely right. At that time both companies did a perfect job to build this car which was ahead of the times. The overall package is still impressive even if meanwhile other monsters hit the road (e.g. Bugatti Veyron which by the way has also been developed in Germany by Volkswagen).
I don't look up too much, but I try to at least know what I'm talking about when I'm trying to make a point to somebody. And you're right the Veyron does have exceptional handling, but then again so does the Mclaren. Gordon Murray built that car to do everything, and what most people still overlook is that he built it so that it could still be used as an everyday road car. They are both exceptional cars, but they do both have their strengths and weaknesses just like every car does.
James May said when he drove the Veyron to top speed on Top Gear that the tyres will only last 15 minutes at top speed but that's okay as the fuel runs out after 12 minutes. He didn't mention temperature as a problem. That video is on UA-cam.
Mclaren is the king of cars, the greatest engine, F1 doesnt need 16V to get close to 400km/h, it doesnt need 4 turbos. It just needs 627 HP and an amazing build... I never get tired of this car... Made in '95 and hold a record for 10 years...
Good question. Guess none now. When they have reached the top speed. They are actually overreving the engine (rev-limiter removed), witch means they are past the engines power peak.
I agree. What they forget is that the Veyron is electronically LIMITED to 253mph because that was the safe limit for the tires, which might shred if going even faster. De-limit the Veyron and raise the turbo-pressure (Bugatti engineers have seen 1300hp in tests) and it easily takes the record back. The SSC Aero is a souped-up kit car made by a small company of amateurs. Just look at the interior "quality" of it. I know which car I'd feel safer in doing 400km/h.
Also the Veyrons of today almost are reaching the 1001WHP. They tend to upgrade the entire Veyron after one is produced. If they had included FSI (direct fuel injection) that might have had more then 1001WHP from the start while keeping the car more fuel efficient.
They're not a total waste of money! They're the kind of car that you simply have to take for track days if you get one! They're not a waste but can be wasted on people who just keep them locked up in their garage or a museum somewhere! I wouldn't say the McLaren F1 is my favourite supercar but it sure as hell beats everything made after the year 2000 purely on looks let alone the sheer technical genious behind it!
do you see how long it takes to hit 200 in the mclaren? its not easy.the back starts to shift side to side. the bugatti does it effortlessly. and you can actually use it as a daily driver too. yes its big and heavy. but it also has air conditioning, soundsystem, and it fully automatic interior with gorgeous leather. plus, it is the fastest production car in the world.
true, and the veyron is a beautiful car and a technical achievement, but i think i still like the mclaren better. here's why: the mclaren is naturally aspirated. ie, it has 0 turbo chargers, the veyron has 4. that is pretty impressive. the mclaren also keeps its weight very low (almost 1600lbs! lighter than the veyron!) by not including a luxury interior, power steering or auto-clutch gearbox. some say this gives a more "pure" driving experience.
no it doesnt because of the drag to make the F1 stick to the floor an huge wing is mounted on the back the faster you go the more wheight it creates on the case of the bugatti it can be adjusted and to add 300 bhp are able to make the wheight difference
Gordon Murray said in his Veyron review that the F1 "only" needed 740 HP in order to achieve the top speed of the Bugatti (253 mph) because of the much lower drag coefficient and cross sectional area of "his" car. It wouldn't offer the stability of the much heavier Veyron though.
well considering the mclaren f1 came out in 1992 and the veyron came out in 2005. The timeline differnce is huge when you want to think about which car is better.
Well if it says 840,000Ibs it must be a typo,as in a faulty print.Where's your logic anyway?A car weighing 420tons?How can it pass bridges?It wouldn't be that heavy if made of lead.An Abrams tank weighs 55tons,and a Boeing747 jumbo jet weighs 180tons,and max take-off weight is 412,8tons.So are you saying a Veyron is heavier than a fully loaded 747jumbo-jet?Jeez...
The Koenigseggs have never had a proper top speed test yet. The Koenigsegg was actually going around a slight curve when broke the record the McLaren set on a straight! The McLaren F1 gained about 16 km/h in this video at Ehra-Lessien from what it did earlier at Nardo so it'll be interesting to see how much the Koenigseggs gain when they finally get to do the same.
the mclaren is a drivers car, no compromise has been made in terms of the driving experience, the bugatti may be faster but its not faster round corners as illustrated by it being beaten by a koinegseg on topgear
hey wait! at 0:31 mclaren f1 is at 300, at 0:35 mclaren f1 is at 330.That means mclaren f1 takes 4 seconds from 300-330. I don't know what bugattis veyron 0-300 time is, but the maximum Ive got is 16.2s bugatti takes 24.2 s from 0-200mph (0-322kmh) that means bugatti takes 8 seconds 300-322kmh at least. Which would mean that this mclaren f1 is faster from 300-322kmh than bugatti?!
So, after the ssc tuatara scandal, I wonder if somebody will try to analyze this run, was this really 391 km/h? Even on this bad quality footage there is plenty to scenery to measure distance, do sound alanysis, etc.
Also, the Veyron needs special tires, cpu recalibration and a certified driver to push it to the 250 mph limit. The F1 only needs a gutsy driver and a nice stretch tu run with
Yeah, I understand your reasoning, Joshello. But, for example, if you take the GTR FIA Championship, they are all grouped into racing categories depending on their hp. We know that a Viper GTS-R would be faster than a 911 GT3 Cup but then it does have 300 odd hp more. Comparing the Murcielago, SLR McLaren, etc to the F1 would be comparing like for like. Unfortunately, the Veyron has 100's of horses more than most cars and so has a big advantage.
I totally agree with you!! McLaren F1 LM edition have more about 50 horsepower ,but car bodywork have too much under pressure made McLaren F1 LM can't run faster than normal McLaren F1.
Turbochargers are one way to actually keep the same fuel economy while increase overall power and torque over the the entire RPM range where the turbocharger kicks in.
they already had that in the 1930's Rudolf Caracciola did 432km/h in a Mercedes streamliner on the Autobahn in 1938. Using a 730hp engine. Malcolm Campbell reached 480km/h in his Bluebird car in the Bonneville flats back in 1935. John Cobb did 592km/h in his Railton Special back in 1939. It was wheel driven and a car. What technology??
@ILCOSTI F1 is not a luxury car, its a race car! I don't think racers drink coffee when they are racing ;). And the Veyron is also made 10 years after the Mclaren F1!
I know that. I wasn't referring to the McLaren top speed test, my comment was concerning a discussion about oval racing earlier on. The comment seems to have been misplaced though.
I do, the McLaren F1 was somewhat, "the" car of it's time, the concept was increadible... and I still adore the sound of it :P ( wich you can hear really good in the fifth gear episode )
The official record set by the Mclaren F1 was 240.1mph so I don't know if this is the actual footage of the run, but it could be. It took car manufacturers 11 years to beat the record, which is the longest held top speed record for any street legal super car. Fucking awesome car.
Which is why both McLaren F1 and Bugatti Veyron solves that with an electronically adjustable wing. Ferrari Enzo has one too. This nullifies your whole argument.
391 kph (243mph) and that with a normally aspirated engine without turbo or supercharger.Beat that! The Veyron goes 400+,yes but it has a 8-litreW16 with 4 turbos.The McLaren only has a 635HP V12 of 6,0litres. The Koenigsegg has a supercharged 4,7litre V8.Enzo the only other non-turbo car to go anywhere near that fast.
The Veyron actually handles a lot better since it's got a lot more 'built in' downforce, better tires, and other things. The old McLaren runs on a BMW V12 and has a kit body, while the Veyron was made as a whole car to start with. Trust me when i say that the Veyron will be quite a lot faster than the F1 around any track. Otherwise, there's google for you to confirm this.
@jaymz123456789 The car used was XP5, one of the development cars, and definitely had at least 627bhp. McLaren have always said that the F1 engine produced more power after it had some miles on it. Mario Andretti tested the car and said that it could easily have longer gearing - or even a 7th gear - to give a higher top speed.
and that is not for aesthetic reasons gold is the best heat insulator there is, that's why they used a lot of it on the Lunar Landers to protect the sensitive electronics
The Mclaren just has a BMW V12 6.1L engine, while the Bugatti had a Volkwagen W16 8.0L quad turbo engine. The mclaren does have probably the best engine still out there today.
I didn't say production vehicle, you said it. ;) It is my fault though that I mentioned a non-production vehicle. Just because Audi uses the Auto-Union emblem today doesn't make an Auto-Union officially an Audi... Auto-Union is a group of multiple car companies. DKW, Wanderer, NSU (since 1969), Horch and Audi. Also, Audi didn't exist in WW2 because the Auto-Union factory first was bankrupt and later during the war bombed by Allied bombers. And why is the Type C bs? It DID happen.
Saw an F1 not long after they came out on the road. A race driver was doing a promo shoot in the Goyt Valley and had some of the sponsor's kids in for a blast round the hills! I was one jealous 18yr old, disappeared over the horizon, then changed into 2nd!
very notable thing about the mclaren : It is the only historic fastest production car with an N/A engine since 1970! 2007 ssc aero : twin turbo 2005 bugatti veyron : quad turbo 2005 koenigsegg : supercharged 1994 mclaren : N/a 1993 jaguar xj220 : twin turbo 1992 bugatti eb110 : quad turbo 1987 ruf ctr : twin turbo 1987 ferrari f40 : twin turbo 1986 porsche 959: twin turbo 1984 ferrari gto : twin turbo last N/a record holder is lambo miura in 1970!
not to mention the mclaren is able to reach 397km/h with a 6.1 liters 550hp engine while the veyron needs an 8 liters, quad-turbo 1000hp to reach an extra 10km/h ... that makes the F1 much nimbler than the bulky veyron (the veyron weights 1.8 metric tons while the F1 weigths only 1.1 ton)
sadly for you the FXX isn't street legal the owners can't even take them home, they are kept in garages and rolled out for tests on circuits by Ferrari themselves or didn't you know that??
i think its quite remarkable that even though the veyron is 10 mph faster it took a v16 and 4 turbos to do that while the mclaren only uses a v12 and is only 10 mph slower. that jus goes to show that the mclaren is still an outstanding car
The Veyron might be the "better" car in that it's more comfortable and easier to drive but the F1 is much more efficient. 627 HP and going 391 km/h (without rev limiter), for comparison, the Enzo has 660 HP and tops out at 355-360. The engine is a masterpiece. It also predates the Bugatti by over 10 years. Now imagine this car with modern components like ceramic brakes, a superfast paddle shift gear, traction control and more HP.
dont get me wrong i think the veyron is too flashy and not very pretty but its more confortable to ride in more techy and advanced its an younger car its normal to be more advanced
This legend of a hypercar is not only the most practical 240 mph car ever, but also the most practical hypercar ever with 3 seats and 3 trunks. This is the original first hypercar. Who’s watching in 2,018?
I am, mainly because I favorited it more than 10 years ago. My first favorited on UA-cam.
"391 is quite fast isn't it?"
Best supercar ever made .....it was so ahead of it's time .
Naturally aspirated or not, 391km/h (244mph) is insane for 16 year-old technology! The F1 was undeniably ahead of its time, and given that, it is IMO more impressive than the Veyron or any other Hypercar out there.
28 years old technology
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At 1:35 when he got off the throttle it was literally like a plane landing.
There are various renditions of the car. There is a slightly toned down version that is designed for endurance. But it sacrifices top speed for long distance.
This is the first video I’ve ever favorited on UA-cam. Still awesome so many years later, even though cars can now go 270 mph.
@beankeen456 The track is Ehra-Lessien in Germany, which is owned by Volkswagen, and yes - it's same track used by Top Gear for their Veyron top speed run. The track is much, much larger than Nardo with a main straight 9km long. Total track length is c.20km.
F1 is fast 391 km(240mph), the veyron did 402 km(250 mph), but it used 16 cyl with 4 turbos
one of the most well thought out and accurate statements I've ever read on youtube. well done, sir.
Finally someone else who sees things the way I do. Although I will say that the GT40 is still an amazing car considering it was only a 427ci V8 that could go 240mph at LeMans. And the F1 was built as a road car and a track car. It was built for use everyday and so you could take it to the track and abuse it and take it to work the next day, which is what makes that car so amazing and in my opinion the best car ever built.
@E34BMW535i
Last time I checked the McLaren was designed and built in Woking, England. The designer is Gordon Murray, who was born in South Africa.
The engine is BMW though, but that is merely a bi-product considering how advanced the rest of the car is. To think it did 391km/h with only 635hp shows its aerodynamics are top class.
the best sports car of the 90's by far.even today stays quite competitive
Thanks for posting this, love when he drops the hammer coming off the banking. That V12 is spectacular. Best motor ever built I think.
Until we suspend laws of gravity or physics, this car may never be beat...
@ILive4BB Why? If you are building a super fast car you make the top gear's overall ratio ideal for flat out top speed whether it has 3 gears or 12. An extra gear would make it fractionally heavier. If the sixth gear has the wrong ratio changing that ratio would be better than adding an extra gear.
yes it is the test track in Germany at Volkswagen. The main straight is 5 miles long
It's called Ehra-Lessien - VW owned test track. Info from Wiki...
There is a high speed circuit with an unbroken straight of 9 km in length, on which the top speed of several of the cars developed may be determined. Though this portion of the track is absolutely flat and level, when standing at one end of the straight, the other end cannot be seen due to the curvature of the Earth.
Ok, the Type C wasn't a production vehicle.
But it already broken the McLaren's record for topspeed with a staggering 432 kph (268 mph) on January the 28th, 1938 with Bernd Rosemeyer at the wheel. ;)
Back then it was a streetlegal car like many other Formula 1 cars.
Like the Bugatti Type 57, or Mercedes-Benz W25.
And you told me I had to do my research. How ironic.
what i wanna know is WHERE did they do this test? is it the old Avus track in germany that they used for pre war GPs. Even pre 1939 the 600hp plus GrandPrix Mercs, Auto unions and Alfas (two engined the alfa was and chewed its tyres and fuel in just a few laps) did over 200mph on that track. It had two massively long straights (like MILES long) with one banked corner at each end. Was it avus they used? any ideas?
@DVGTS1
ur right. The GTR is slower than the f1 in terms of top-speed, but in terms of sheer acceleration, it has no par.
Because of its low weight of ~900kg and very short gearing, it goes from 0-300kmh in less than 12s.Thats faster than a veyron.
@LucaBeckenbauer
True. However the mechanical friction and the friction from the road is insignificant compared to the aerodynamic drag. We're talking a few percent or probably less compared to the forces of the drag. This is the main reason they put a lot of work into good aerodynamics.
we had the McLaren Fl LM on display at our regional office and i have to say that it was amazing looking at that car and the details of its design. i wish i could take one for a spin. the car is wider than i thought.
@Iceeeen not including race cars, right?
As Mario Andretti noted in a comparison test, the F1 is fully capable of pulling a seventh gear, thus with a higher gear ratio or a seventh gear the McLaren F1 would probably be able to reach an even greater top speed -- something which can also be observed by noticing that the top speed was reached at 7800 rpm while the peak power is reached at 7400 RPM.
One more thing is that Mario first turned to Honda asked about engine but they said NO, cant be done.
I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS CAR....no matter what is going to lead super sports,this car means a lot to me !
You're definitely right. At that time both companies did a perfect job to build this car which was ahead of the times. The overall package is still impressive even if meanwhile other monsters hit the road (e.g. Bugatti Veyron which by the way has also been developed in Germany by Volkswagen).
Do you know that the windresistance(Drag) is almost 1,4 as much at 405 kph compared to 390kph?
I don't look up too much, but I try to at least know what I'm talking about when I'm trying to make a point to somebody. And you're right the Veyron does have exceptional handling, but then again so does the Mclaren. Gordon Murray built that car to do everything, and what most people still overlook is that he built it so that it could still be used as an everyday road car. They are both exceptional cars, but they do both have their strengths and weaknesses just like every car does.
James May said when he drove the Veyron to top speed on Top Gear that the tyres will only last 15 minutes at top speed but that's okay as the fuel runs out after 12 minutes. He didn't mention temperature as a problem. That video is on UA-cam.
i guess so. what was the jaguar that was worlds fastet production care before mclaren f1 came around?
Mclaren is the king of cars, the greatest engine, F1 doesnt need 16V to get close to 400km/h, it doesnt need 4 turbos. It just needs 627 HP and an amazing build... I never get tired of this car... Made in '95 and hold a record for 10 years...
Good question. Guess none now. When they have reached the top speed. They are actually overreving the engine (rev-limiter removed), witch means they are past the engines power peak.
@Corbon440
not if you know when to change gears.
andy wallace went up to 7800rpm only, not enough to 'destroy the engine', to go 243mph.
so if you have this veyron thingie, you will do 5point u-turn in two lane highway..is that right?
I agree.
What they forget is that the Veyron is electronically LIMITED to 253mph because that was the safe limit for the tires, which might shred if going even faster. De-limit the Veyron and raise the turbo-pressure (Bugatti engineers have seen 1300hp in tests) and it easily takes the record back.
The SSC Aero is a souped-up kit car made by a small company of amateurs. Just look at the interior "quality" of it.
I know which car I'd feel safer in doing 400km/h.
Also the Veyrons of today almost are reaching the 1001WHP.
They tend to upgrade the entire Veyron after one is produced.
If they had included FSI (direct fuel injection) that might have had more then 1001WHP from the start while keeping the car more fuel efficient.
its a beast. It is the best car ever made, not the fastest atm on straight and on corners, but launched in 1994!! its incredible
They're not a total waste of money! They're the kind of car that you simply have to take for track days if you get one! They're not a waste but can be wasted on people who just keep them locked up in their garage or a museum somewhere!
I wouldn't say the McLaren F1 is my favourite supercar but it sure as hell beats everything made after the year 2000 purely on looks let alone the sheer technical genious behind it!
do you see how long it takes to hit 200 in the mclaren? its not easy.the back starts to shift side to side. the bugatti does it effortlessly. and you can actually use it as a daily driver too. yes its big and heavy. but it also has air conditioning, soundsystem, and it fully automatic interior with gorgeous leather. plus, it is the fastest production car in the world.
true, and the veyron is a beautiful car and a technical achievement, but i think i still like the mclaren better. here's why:
the mclaren is naturally aspirated. ie, it has 0 turbo chargers, the veyron has 4. that is pretty impressive.
the mclaren also keeps its weight very low (almost 1600lbs! lighter than the veyron!) by not including a luxury interior, power steering or auto-clutch gearbox. some say this gives a more "pure" driving experience.
Where was it? On the VW high speed track in Ehra-Lessin?
no it doesnt because of the drag to make the F1 stick to the floor an huge wing is mounted on the back the faster you go the more wheight it creates on the case of the bugatti it can be adjusted and to add 300 bhp are able to make the wheight difference
Gordon Murray said in his Veyron review that the F1 "only" needed 740 HP in order to achieve the top speed of the Bugatti (253 mph) because of the much lower drag coefficient and cross sectional area of "his" car. It wouldn't offer the stability of the much heavier Veyron though.
well considering the mclaren f1 came out in 1992 and the veyron came out in 2005. The timeline differnce is huge when you want to think about which car is better.
so what car are you, along with your team of developers coming up with?
Well if it says 840,000Ibs it must be a typo,as in a faulty print.Where's your logic anyway?A car weighing 420tons?How can it pass bridges?It wouldn't be that heavy if made of lead.An Abrams tank weighs 55tons,and a Boeing747 jumbo jet weighs 180tons,and max take-off weight is 412,8tons.So are you saying a Veyron is heavier than a fully loaded 747jumbo-jet?Jeez...
who is the driver, and where is the track?
The Koenigseggs have never had a proper top speed test yet. The Koenigsegg was actually going around a slight curve when broke the record the McLaren set on a straight!
The McLaren F1 gained about 16 km/h in this video at Ehra-Lessien from what it did earlier at Nardo so it'll be interesting to see how much the Koenigseggs gain when they finally get to do the same.
the mclaren is a drivers car, no compromise has been made in terms of the driving experience, the bugatti may be faster but its not faster round corners as illustrated by it being beaten by a koinegseg on topgear
Does anybody know who is the driver, and what is the track?
Isnt it true that the Bughatti(sp?) Will start to overheat after about 10min of top speed?
it can try to go 279, but it wouldnt be pretty..why do you think its restricted?
yeah the great big spoiler on the bak creates drag. i dunno if anything under the bonnet is different tho.
The 4WD was one of the reasons why the Veyron needed four turbos! Increasing spun masses significantly bogs down the engine at higher speeds.
hey wait! at 0:31 mclaren f1 is at 300, at 0:35 mclaren f1 is at 330.That means mclaren f1 takes 4 seconds from 300-330.
I don't know what bugattis veyron 0-300 time is, but the maximum Ive got is 16.2s
bugatti takes 24.2 s from 0-200mph (0-322kmh)
that means bugatti takes 8 seconds 300-322kmh at least.
Which would mean that this mclaren f1 is faster from 300-322kmh than bugatti?!
So, after the ssc tuatara scandal, I wonder if somebody will try to analyze this run, was this really 391 km/h? Even on this bad quality footage there is plenty to scenery to measure distance, do sound alanysis, etc.
Also, the Veyron needs special tires, cpu recalibration and a certified driver to push it to the 250 mph limit. The F1 only needs a gutsy driver and a nice stretch tu run with
that`s twice the HP of the mclaren and 20/30 mph slower, is that good?
which oval track is that,at first i thought it was the monza oval
Dude the Buick Grand national was amazing. On its stock internals and stock turbo it could handle 30+ psi safely. It was and still is an awesome car.
my calculation makes it to be only 7,8percent higher
where did you get your 40percent higher number???
Yeah, I understand your reasoning, Joshello.
But, for example, if you take the GTR FIA Championship, they are all grouped into racing categories depending on their hp.
We know that a Viper GTS-R would be faster than a 911 GT3 Cup but then it does have 300 odd hp more.
Comparing the Murcielago, SLR McLaren, etc to the F1 would be comparing like for like. Unfortunately, the Veyron has 100's of horses more than most cars and so has a big advantage.
What 's car in this film
McLaren F1 GTR?
McLaren F1 ?
McLaren F1 LM?
It's the F1, the others had too much drag from the bodywork.
I totally agree with you!!
McLaren F1 LM edition have more about 50 horsepower ,but car bodywork have too much under pressure made McLaren F1 LM can't run faster than normal McLaren F1.
Turbochargers are one way to actually keep the same fuel economy while increase overall power and torque over the the entire RPM range where the turbocharger kicks in.
there specs are on their website, and the koenigsegg beat the mclaren's top speed in 2005 before the veyron did
they already had that in the 1930's
Rudolf Caracciola did 432km/h in a Mercedes streamliner on the Autobahn in 1938. Using a 730hp engine.
Malcolm Campbell reached 480km/h in his Bluebird car in the Bonneville flats back in 1935.
John Cobb did 592km/h in his Railton Special back in 1939. It was wheel driven and a car.
What technology??
@ILCOSTI
F1 is not a luxury car, its a race car! I don't think racers drink coffee when they are racing ;). And the Veyron is also made 10 years after the Mclaren F1!
I know that. I wasn't referring to the McLaren top speed test, my comment was concerning a discussion about oval racing earlier on. The comment seems to have been misplaced though.
I do, the McLaren F1 was somewhat, "the" car of it's time, the concept was increadible... and I still adore the sound of it :P ( wich you can hear really good in the fifth gear episode )
THIS is THE ultimate supercar/hypercar watever...DA BEST....
The official record set by the Mclaren F1 was 240.1mph so I don't know if this is the actual footage of the run, but it could be. It took car manufacturers 11 years to beat the record, which is the longest held top speed record for any street legal super car. Fucking awesome car.
Which is why both McLaren F1 and Bugatti Veyron solves that with an electronically adjustable wing.
Ferrari Enzo has one too.
This nullifies your whole argument.
My bad - It was the twin-turbo M12 Prototype that reached an unofficial max of ~400 (WX3). The 'retail' M12 was watered down a lot.
Who's the driver in that video? Philippe Alliot?
391 kph (243mph) and that with a normally aspirated engine without turbo or supercharger.Beat that! The Veyron goes 400+,yes but it has a 8-litreW16 with 4 turbos.The McLaren only has a 635HP V12 of 6,0litres. The Koenigsegg has a supercharged 4,7litre V8.Enzo the only other non-turbo car to go anywhere near that fast.
why do you say its N/A ? its a 6.0 liters 627 bhp atmosferic bmw engine... there are no secrets about it...
BTW, oval racing is driven in the opposite direction...
It goes and goes and goes and goes ... just unbelievable.
The Veyron actually handles a lot better since it's got a lot more 'built in' downforce, better tires, and other things. The old McLaren runs on a BMW V12 and has a kit body, while the Veyron was made as a whole car to start with.
Trust me when i say that the Veyron will be quite a lot faster than the F1 around any track. Otherwise, there's google for you to confirm this.
what does 391 km-h compare in mph?
243 not 253 is what 391 kilometers an hour is, or if you want to get technical its 242.956136165058 mph.
@jaymz123456789 The car used was XP5, one of the development cars, and definitely had at least 627bhp. McLaren have always said that the F1 engine produced more power after it had some miles on it. Mario Andretti tested the car and said that it could easily have longer gearing - or even a 7th gear - to give a higher top speed.
i wonder how long the straight is.
and that is not for aesthetic reasons
gold is the best heat insulator there is, that's why they used a lot of it on the Lunar Landers to protect the sensitive electronics
The Mclaren just has a BMW V12 6.1L engine, while the Bugatti had a Volkwagen W16 8.0L quad turbo engine. The mclaren does have probably the best engine still out there today.
@gasteinerboy
dont forget the bugatti veyron is pretty much a luxury car
I didn't say production vehicle, you said it. ;)
It is my fault though that I mentioned a non-production vehicle.
Just because Audi uses the Auto-Union emblem today doesn't make an Auto-Union officially an Audi...
Auto-Union is a group of multiple car companies.
DKW, Wanderer, NSU (since 1969), Horch and Audi.
Also, Audi didn't exist in WW2 because the Auto-Union factory first was bankrupt and later during the war bombed by Allied bombers.
And why is the Type C bs? It DID happen.
what country are mclaren f1s from?
It's in Germany. It belongs to Volkswagen AG and it was built in Cold War. It's a circuit and the straight is long something about 5,5 miles.
Saw an F1 not long after they came out on the road. A race driver was doing a promo shoot in the Goyt Valley and had some of the sponsor's kids in for a blast round the hills! I was one jealous 18yr old, disappeared over the horizon, then changed into 2nd!
very notable thing about the mclaren :
It is the only historic fastest production car with an N/A engine since 1970!
2007 ssc aero : twin turbo
2005 bugatti veyron : quad turbo
2005 koenigsegg : supercharged
1994 mclaren : N/a
1993 jaguar xj220 : twin turbo
1992 bugatti eb110 : quad turbo
1987 ruf ctr : twin turbo
1987 ferrari f40 : twin turbo
1986 porsche 959: twin turbo
1984 ferrari gto : twin turbo
last N/a record holder is lambo miura in 1970!
not to mention the mclaren is able to reach 397km/h with a 6.1 liters 550hp engine while the veyron needs an 8 liters, quad-turbo 1000hp to reach an extra 10km/h ... that makes the F1 much nimbler than the bulky veyron (the veyron weights 1.8 metric tons while the F1 weigths only 1.1 ton)
where ist this track ?
i thought that looks like the Monza Oval? but the banking parts are dilapidated at the oval so it may be in germany.
sadly for you the FXX isn't street legal
the owners can't even take them home, they are kept in garages and rolled out for tests on circuits by Ferrari themselves
or didn't you know that??
i think its quite remarkable that even though the veyron is 10 mph faster it took a v16 and 4 turbos to do that while the mclaren only uses a v12 and is only 10 mph slower. that jus goes to show that the mclaren is still an outstanding car
The Veyron might be the "better" car in that it's more comfortable and easier to drive but the F1 is much more efficient. 627 HP and going 391 km/h (without rev limiter), for comparison, the Enzo has 660 HP and tops out at 355-360. The engine is a masterpiece. It also predates the Bugatti by over 10 years. Now imagine this car with modern components like ceramic brakes, a superfast paddle shift gear, traction control and more HP.
oil temperature at that speed??
@totto210 ese auto es turbo y preparado para lemans ademas lo logro con succion en la sarthe querido...
dont get me wrong i think the veyron is too flashy and not very pretty but its more confortable to ride in more techy and advanced its an younger car its normal to be more advanced