Eric, been playing golf with a fade all my 30 years. I'm off 5 and get it around quite nicely - but - after trying this today, bloody hell, draws have come out of nowhere & I never hit draws!! In all my time playing not one pro/teacher has ever explained this twist away principle. Bravo sir & many tks. Great vids and great instruction. Best wishes, Russell, a Brit :-)
Got this from an online lesson with Rob Cheney, transformed my ball striking. The hanger training aid is the best instant feedback on the amount of twisting required. The added bonus is that twisting early prevents a cupped wrist at the top.
This is excellent, I was doing it at set up to stop pulling to the right, which is the wrong way. This is working better. Thank you , this is way more gooder!!
Been playing golf for over 40 year's and had lessons over the years as well, not many if any talk about wrist angles, it's all about grip posture and alignment and pretty swings that aren't functional. Why do I say this it's to get you to have more lessons. Keep up the great work very informative just wish I could visit. From the UK.
This tip along with Saguto’s hands in club around basically revamped my whole approach.. and now I play stress free 80’s golf with every lost shot a result of short game
Excellent detail for the linkage. One of those, nothing else matters if you get this point wrong in the swing. BTW this is a Mike Austin spoke of this fundamental.
This is probably my favorite drill from you Eric. I've gotten much better ball contact with my hybrid and fairway woods hinging my right wrist back a bit. Hence closing the club face more. But I still tense up sometimes on the course and shank, lol go figure. I'm just more comfortable with my long irons.
Great video, I’ve found if I’m going to “twist” on the the backswing (which I also don’t like), I have to hinge the wrist more to stop me getting too flat behind me. I like going back with the club head neutral but outside the hands, then I’ll twist away during transition 👍
Great video and I agree with Dougie about taking the club back neutral, then twisting. I watched one of your earlier "twist-away" videos, experimented with it, and it has helped me immeasurably. An added benefit that I have noticed is that when I twist the grip at the top of my swing, my right elbow tucks nicely against my rib cage... preventing "chicken wing." I don't think about it... it just sort of happens as a result of twisting the handle at the top of my swing. If golfers are trying to incorporate this move into their swing, they need to make certain to rotate their hips through their swing (clear the left/lead hip).
EC, this is terrific information and you get into it in great detail, and I've been looking for a in-depth discussion of face angle at top, and its impact on the swing. Do you think it's fair to say that, with an open clubface, higher handicappers mostly come over the shot to hit pull slices, where low handicappers hang back, no turn and flip/throw loft to square the face? So we all respond to the face I guess is the moral of the video.
100% agree with that statement yes. Good players FIGURE OUT how to make it work (because their good) with stalling the body, standing up, no turn, lots of late arm rotation. Not as good players swing over the top and slice :)
Yeah, good video and was surprised not many videos on this topic. I also like how you have given different options to allow students pick the one that works feels best for them. Would be good to link this in with how the arms should be moving in transition ie I’m working on this twist motion with arm extension/lowering (my feel is arms are moving in direction of my right pocket ie behind me - reality is it helps me get on plane when you factor in hip rotation with a good ie not open clubface) 🙂
What I do is set the club down on the ground with the face closed 30 to 45 degrees. When I address the ball I square the club by rotating it to the right with my wrists. Hitting the ball with my hands ahead of the clubhead, the clubhead is square when it hits the ball. This works most of the time. You need to experiment with how much you close the club face initially so it is square at impact.
wow it just seemed like The twist while trying to keep your lag would be difficult On the downswing. and I've been trying all sorts of things lately and these are great lessons Eric, But it's hard to adjust in the rotation at some point And try to not get fixated on that, until it becomes part of the swing Through lots of practice. but yeah when I do it right it absolutely crushes it sweet as can be. It's weird how you gotta completely retrain the body when you haven't done things right years ago and you pick the game up again. but you've got a lot of great videos out there I have to watch, thanks much
Hey thank you Eric, that sounds a great way to examine my problem of power loss and grip pressure perhaps , club seems like it doesn't even load , in any event I wanna take this to the range and try it so may I ask does the toe ever get behind the heel and if so when so I can examine my timing or release
Hi Eric: Great video. I also enjoyed your videos with Tom Saguto. The twisting of the wrist is to help us have a bowed lead wrist at impact (as I understand it). Can you clarify at what point in the backswing you prefer the lead wrist to get to at least being flat or slightly in flexion? Thanks again for all your videos and for sharing the knowledge. Very helpful.
Swinging dynamically will lead to an open club face at impact unless you twist the grip. Eric... would playing with a strong grip solve this problem as well instead of twisting the grip?
As a right handed golfer with semi strong grip and left hand dominate, I twist the face coming into impact and roll the arms and hit a hook starting at target and turning left so much that the shot is unplayable. I can not hit a fade/slice on demand. Also, I have taken online lessons with Eric and still can not fix my club face/path. Eric you are the best instructor, period. Please help
Sounds like you already know the answer to your question/solution "and roll the arms and hit a hook starting at target and turning left so much that the shot is unplayable." So why have you not fixed it?
So when I do this I hit more hooks..this feels powerful and contact feels amazing so do I just need to release the club less then?? Kinda hold it off feeling?
If I start my warm up/ practice session with a strong grip, close the clubface at address, take the club away retaining this position, then follow the SnT swing slightly in to out pathway my shot should be producing a draw? Worst case could be needing to go from 80% - 70-60 depending on ball movement?
Hi Peter! If it does, then that's great! You don't need to feel this as much or at all then :) But some golfers twist it the opposite way/open, and this helps to get them to neutral👍 Thanks for watching the channel!
@@CogornoGolf sorry false alarm lol. Went to the range last night n it was fine. Didn't hit the ball as flawlessly tho. Going to watch the video again n do some mirror work. This is THE BEST move of all time Eric! Thank you so much! ⛳
That can be a good feel! If you were to twist right away in the takeaway phase, just make sure your lead wrist is going into flexion (palm up) while your trail wrist is going into extension (palm down).
So I started to do this to get my club face square and it feels way closed even though it is technically square. The problem I'm having now is I'm too laid off and my hands get behind me. Any videos to help with keeping the hands in front of heel line?
Hey Ryan! Are you saying you are too laid off in backswing? And hands too far behind you in backswing? Where is your lead arm relative to shoulder plane...on, above or below?
@@CogornoGolf Um my lead arm is usually more across my chest which causes my body to over rotate and my hands get behind me. I think my lead forearm rotates too much which causes me to get laid off. I can practice the feel of keeping that elbow down but everytime I add any speed I revert to my usual swing. My trail elbow is always lower than my lead elbow. I've tried two different coaches online and while they have fixed other things, this is still plaguing my game. I've never felt what it is like to be open at impact. It's frustrating. If you weren't on the other side of the state I'd come for lessons.
Eric, you keep pushing LiveView golf, but their camera seems very outdated. 60 FPS at 640 x 480 res is unacceptable in 2021, especially at $350 USD. Does it even clearly show the clubface on playback? I don't doubt it is extremely useful to see your swing immediately after recording, but they need to drastically update their hardware. Most smartphone cameras these days will do 120, 240, and even 960 FPS at higher resolutions. I think with a little research, most golfers would rather take the time to walk over to their camera, and analyze it with V1 golf or other similar apps rather than spend that kind of money on early 2000s tech. Love your videos! Thanks for all the tips!
Hey! Appreciate the kind words and thoughts. I keep pushing it because it's still the only thing I have seen where you can see yourself live as you are hitting and have the camera right down by the ball do you can actually swing in posture (compared to mirror). Of course you can walk back and check (and there is nothing wrong with that). But many people (myself included) will happily pay $350 to see myself AS IM SWINGING not after. Even just the rehearsals to me makes such a huge difference. Seeing myself AS I practice, not after. World of difference. I find with 98% of the golfers I work with the frame rate is plenty good to see the big picture things we are looking at but I agree ideally it improves more over time!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric! I fully agree. It seems incredibly handy, similar to the instant replays they have set up at GolfTecs. Keep up the great work! I'm looking at your online lessons soon.
Well, I'll agree with you on the takeaway. But if you have to "twist" it closed on the way down something is terribly wrong and you'll never be any good. Malaska just did a video on this where he got it dead right. Lead with the heel both up and down. That's the way to greatness. Anything else and you'll be working on your golf swing for the rest of eternity.
Ben Hogan twisted it open on the backswing and twisted it to close it on the downswing. Demaret, Trevino, Nick Price, Moe Norman, Peter Thomson, Mac O'Grady, George Knudson and many more twisted it. In fact, Mickey Wright, probably the greatest ever LPGA player, said that 'curling her knuckles under at transition' was her main/core swing thought, and that if she did it, she hit it best. Curling knuckles under was her way of saying to twist the shaft.
@@555Trout Well, instead of ad hominem attacks, I would think you would debate the point... where am I wrong? And I am indeed certain that what I said is true, as the twisting of the shaft is an external focus which then creates the internal result of left hand supination and right pronation, which all the great ballstrikers did, and do. No one, no great ballstriker ever "lead with the heel"... you hit the ball with the face. If you lead with the heel, you stop the body, stand up, throw loft at the ball, and flip through impact. And to you point on ability, I've played and studied golf for 40 years, was good enough to play Div 1 college golf, played in US and US Mid Ams, and won statewide tournaments.
Eric, been playing golf with a fade all my 30 years. I'm off 5 and get it around quite nicely - but - after trying this today, bloody hell, draws have come out of nowhere & I never hit draws!! In all my time playing not one pro/teacher has ever explained this twist away principle. Bravo sir & many tks. Great vids and great instruction. Best wishes, Russell, a Brit :-)
Love it Russell! Thanks for the kind words!
Got this from an online lesson with Rob Cheney, transformed my ball striking. The hanger training aid is the best instant feedback on the amount of twisting required. The added bonus is that twisting early prevents a cupped wrist at the top.
100%---love it
This is excellent, I was doing it at set up to stop pulling to the right, which is the wrong way. This is working better. Thank you , this is way more gooder!!
:)
Been playing golf for over 40 year's and had lessons over the years as well, not many if any talk about wrist angles, it's all about grip posture and alignment and pretty swings that aren't functional. Why do I say this it's to get you to have more lessons. Keep up the great work very informative just wish I could visit. From the UK.
Appreciate it, Aaron!
This tip along with Saguto’s hands in club around basically revamped my whole approach.. and now I play stress free 80’s golf with every lost shot a result of short game
Love it!
This is great because short game is much easier to fix....just practice. I also like to watch Golf Sidekick for some great short game reinforcement
Thank you Eric! Vey helpful. I can play if I can get my face closed and this really helped.
👊Our pleasure, Jim!
This saved my golf game. Thanks Eric!
Love it Aaron!!
Excellent detail for the linkage. One of those, nothing else matters if you get this point wrong in the swing. BTW this is a Mike Austin spoke of this fundamental.
:)
Hi Eric, I believe there's one thing that benefits an early twist and that's when you are chipping from off the green.
Hey Alan! Chipping would be only time open face is beneficial, yes!
This is probably my favorite drill from you Eric. I've gotten much better ball contact with my hybrid and fairway woods hinging my right wrist back a bit. Hence closing the club face more. But I still tense up sometimes on the course and shank, lol go figure. I'm just more comfortable with my long irons.
Awesome! Thanks!
I like flat going back twist CC coming down
I like that as well Tim! Depends some on your grip but thats a good place to start
Great video, I’ve found if I’m going to “twist” on the the backswing (which I also don’t like), I have to hinge the wrist more to stop me getting too flat behind me. I like going back with the club head neutral but outside the hands, then I’ll twist away during transition 👍
Great video and I agree with Dougie about taking the club back neutral, then twisting. I watched one of your earlier "twist-away" videos, experimented with it, and it has helped me immeasurably. An added benefit that I have noticed is that when I twist the grip at the top of my swing, my right elbow tucks nicely against my rib cage... preventing "chicken wing." I don't think about it... it just sort of happens as a result of twisting the handle at the top of my swing. If golfers are trying to incorporate this move into their swing, they need to make certain to rotate their hips through their swing (clear the left/lead hip).
Yes!
Great tips. Thanks.
Appreciate it!
Thankyou. Perfect advise
Hope it helps!
EC, this is terrific information and you get into it in great detail, and I've been looking for a in-depth discussion of face angle at top, and its impact on the swing. Do you think it's fair to say that, with an open clubface, higher handicappers mostly come over the shot to hit pull slices, where low handicappers hang back, no turn and flip/throw loft to square the face? So we all respond to the face I guess is the moral of the video.
100% agree with that statement yes.
Good players FIGURE OUT how to make it work (because their good) with stalling the body, standing up, no turn, lots of late arm rotation.
Not as good players swing over the top and slice :)
Thanks, great lesson!
Thanks Doug!
“Nothing good ever came from an open club face” - last twist away video and maybe the best golf advice ever.
:)
I didn't like the idea when your first twist-away video came out, but now I'm a convert.
:)
Yeah, good video and was surprised not many videos on this topic. I also like how you have given different options to allow students pick the one that works feels best for them. Would be good to link this in with how the arms should be moving in transition ie I’m working on this twist motion with arm extension/lowering (my feel is arms are moving in direction of my right pocket ie behind me - reality is it helps me get on plane when you factor in hip rotation with a good ie not open clubface) 🙂
Appreciate the kind words the feedback!
What I do is set the club down on the ground with the face closed 30 to 45 degrees. When I address the ball I square the club by rotating it to the right with my wrists. Hitting the ball with my hands ahead of the clubhead, the clubhead is square when it hits the ball. This works most of the time. You need to experiment with how much you close the club face initially so it is square at impact.
That can work!
Thanks.
wow it just seemed like The twist while trying to keep your lag would be difficult On the downswing. and I've been trying all sorts of things lately and these are great lessons Eric, But it's hard to adjust in the rotation at some point And try to not get fixated on that, until it becomes part of the swing Through lots of practice. but yeah when I do it right it absolutely crushes it sweet as can be. It's weird how you gotta completely retrain the body when you haven't done things right years ago and you pick the game up again. but you've got a lot of great videos out there I have to watch, thanks much
Hope the videos serve you well, Jerry! Thanks for being here with us!
Hey thank you Eric, that sounds a great way to examine my problem of power loss and grip pressure perhaps , club seems like it doesn't even load , in any event I wanna take this to the range and try it so may I ask does the toe ever get behind the heel and if so when so I can examine my timing or release
Love it---our pleasure!
Very good, Eric!! Cliff
Thank you Cliff!
Hi Eric: Great video. I also enjoyed your videos with Tom Saguto. The twisting of the wrist is to help us have a bowed lead wrist at impact (as I understand it). Can you clarify at what point in the backswing you prefer the lead wrist to get to at least being flat or slightly in flexion? Thanks again for all your videos and for sharing the knowledge. Very helpful.
Thanks, John! By left arm parallel roughly
Swinging dynamically will lead to an open club face at impact unless you twist the grip. Eric... would playing with a strong grip solve this problem as well instead of twisting the grip?
Hey Chris!
Yes-the stronger the grip the less you need to twist (all else equal). But still need some on way down no matter what
As a right handed golfer with semi strong grip and left hand dominate, I twist the face coming into impact and roll the arms and hit a hook starting at target and turning left so much that the shot is unplayable. I can not hit a fade/slice on demand. Also, I have taken online lessons with Eric and still can not fix my club face/path. Eric you are the best instructor, period. Please help
Sounds like you already know the answer to your question/solution
"and roll the arms and hit a hook starting at target and turning left so much that the shot is unplayable."
So why have you not fixed it?
So when I do this I hit more hooks..this feels powerful and contact feels amazing so do I just need to release the club less then?? Kinda hold it off feeling?
Yep----watch the second part of this one: ua-cam.com/video/Wi4cLSUDzbU/v-deo.html
If I start my warm up/ practice session with a strong grip, close the clubface at address, take the club away retaining this position, then follow the SnT swing slightly in to out pathway my shot should be producing a draw? Worst case could be needing to go from 80% - 70-60 depending on ball movement?
100%
I'll ask the question Eric!
Does this work with driver albeit I know an upward strike is required
Hey Brian!
Yes.
great video Eric! Just a question: Can a stronger grip will make the same effect as twisting?
Hey! Thanks! Yes, the stronger the grip the less you need to twist.
If you feel the weight of the club in the backswing, doesn't that twist occur naturally?
Hi Peter!
If it does, then that's great! You don't need to feel this as much or at all then :)
But some golfers twist it the opposite way/open, and this helps to get them to neutral👍
Thanks for watching the channel!
No other tip has helped me more to hit it longer n straighter. However--my right wrist hurt for 3 days! Any tips to avoid this?
Hey Rob! Sorry to hear that----no tips on that one....not sure why would need to see. I would consult a doc on that one!
@@CogornoGolf sorry false alarm lol. Went to the range last night n it was fine. Didn't hit the ball as flawlessly tho. Going to watch the video again n do some mirror work. This is THE BEST move of all time Eric! Thank you so much! ⛳
It seems like pre setting the hands and club forward at address is way easier than twisting in the actual swing... Similar to Sam Goulden teaching
Lots of ways to get it done!
Like twisting the accelerator on a motorcycle, but with your left hand?
That can be a good feel! If you were to twist right away in the takeaway phase, just make sure your lead wrist is going into flexion (palm up) while your trail wrist is going into extension (palm down).
So I started to do this to get my club face square and it feels way closed even though it is technically square. The problem I'm having now is I'm too laid off and my hands get behind me. Any videos to help with keeping the hands in front of heel line?
Probably too focused on hand action and forgetting to rotate away from the ball
Hey Ryan!
Are you saying you are too laid off in backswing?
And hands too far behind you in backswing?
Where is your lead arm relative to shoulder plane...on, above or below?
@@CogornoGolf Um my lead arm is usually more across my chest which causes my body to over rotate and my hands get behind me. I think my lead forearm rotates too much which causes me to get laid off. I can practice the feel of keeping that elbow down but everytime I add any speed I revert to my usual swing.
My trail elbow is always lower than my lead elbow. I've tried two different coaches online and while they have fixed other things, this is still plaguing my game. I've never felt what it is like to be open at impact. It's frustrating. If you weren't on the other side of the state I'd come for lessons.
Understood! Consider www.cogornogolf.com you can send in videos there and we can help! Dont need to be in person to get the job done.
Is that John Daley back there down the line???? :)
Does this hold true for every club?
Yes
Snuff box?
It's the little depression that forms under your thumb when you lift/extend your thumb up :)
did I hear correctly? snuff box?
Google “Anatomic snuffbox”. A medical term.
Thats right! More on that coming soon!
@@CogornoGolf anatomical snuff box. Shawn Clement talks a lot about it. More good stuff Eric!
Eric, you keep pushing LiveView golf, but their camera seems very outdated. 60 FPS at 640 x 480 res is unacceptable in 2021, especially at $350 USD. Does it even clearly show the clubface on playback? I don't doubt it is extremely useful to see your swing immediately after recording, but they need to drastically update their hardware. Most smartphone cameras these days will do 120, 240, and even 960 FPS at higher resolutions. I think with a little research, most golfers would rather take the time to walk over to their camera, and analyze it with V1 golf or other similar apps rather than spend that kind of money on early 2000s tech. Love your videos! Thanks for all the tips!
Hey!
Appreciate the kind words and thoughts.
I keep pushing it because it's still the only thing I have seen where you can see yourself live as you are hitting and have the camera right down by the ball do you can actually swing in posture (compared to mirror).
Of course you can walk back and check (and there is nothing wrong with that). But many people (myself included) will happily pay $350 to see myself AS IM SWINGING not after.
Even just the rehearsals to me makes such a huge difference. Seeing myself AS I practice, not after.
World of difference.
I find with 98% of the golfers I work with the frame rate is plenty good to see the big picture things we are looking at but I agree ideally it improves more over time!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric! I fully agree. It seems incredibly handy, similar to the instant replays they have set up at GolfTecs. Keep up the great work! I'm looking at your online lessons soon.
Yes exactly! Golftec has the best indoor golf learning environment I've ever seen.
Well, I'll agree with you on the takeaway.
But if you have to "twist" it closed on the way down something is terribly wrong and you'll never be any good.
Malaska just did a video on this where he got it dead right.
Lead with the heel both up and down. That's the way to greatness.
Anything else and you'll be working on your golf swing for the rest of eternity.
Appreciate your feedback as always man!
Ben Hogan twisted it open on the backswing and twisted it to close it on the downswing. Demaret, Trevino, Nick Price, Moe Norman, Peter Thomson, Mac O'Grady, George Knudson and many more twisted it. In fact, Mickey Wright, probably the greatest ever LPGA player, said that 'curling her knuckles under at transition' was her main/core swing thought, and that if she did it, she hit it best. Curling knuckles under was her way of saying to twist the shaft.
@@sandwah9901 Have at it. You'll never be any good and you don't know what you're talking about. But I fully support your certitude and commitment. 👍
@@555Trout Well, instead of ad hominem attacks, I would think you would debate the point... where am I wrong? And I am indeed certain that what I said is true, as the twisting of the shaft is an external focus which then creates the internal result of left hand supination and right pronation, which all the great ballstrikers did, and do. No one, no great ballstriker ever "lead with the heel"... you hit the ball with the face. If you lead with the heel, you stop the body, stand up, throw loft at the ball, and flip through impact. And to you point on ability, I've played and studied golf for 40 years, was good enough to play Div 1 college golf, played in US and US Mid Ams, and won statewide tournaments.
@@sandwah9901 Fantastic! You definitely know what you know. I wish you the best with it.
First!