Fake: The Gay Buddy Cop Anime | KYOTO VIDEO
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2025
- In honor of Pride Month, we're doing a first for KYOTO VIDEO! We're doing a video on a boy's love anime finally! One of the first boy's love titles to ever come to America as a matter of fact, a buddy cop narrative where the cops are more than just buddies if you catch my drift.
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Hishida, Hitoshi (2015). "Representational Appropriation and the Autonomy of Desire in yaoi / BL". Boys Love Manga and Beyond: History, Culture, and Community in Japan
Leupp, Gary (1997). Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan. University of California Press.
Lunsing, Wim. “Yaoi Ronsō: Discussing Depictions of Male Homosexuality in Japanese Girls’ Comics, Gay Comics and Gay Pornography.” Intersections, intersections.anu.edu.au/issue12/lunsing.html
Williams, Georgie. “Sexuality and Male-Male Love in Historical Japan- Transcript.” /Queer, slashqueer.com/the-queer-media-of-contemporary-japan-transcript. Accessed 18 June 2024.
Welker, James. "Intersections: Review, Boys' Love Manga: Essays on the Sexual Ambiguity and Cross-Cultural Fandom of the Genre". Intersections.
KB is their name and talking about old animation is his game! If you want deep analysis and history on the realm of retro anime and old animation, then you've come to the right place. Be warned though. Being a possum means he loves consuming trash, media-based or otherwise.
I guess it’s “Be Gay Solve Crimes” this time.
NGL, I'm surprised how rare it is to see buddy cop stories where they're more than just buddies.
so as a gay dude who watched the ova as a teen i will say it did have positive aspects that benefitted me, it was one of only a handful of things that validated me, both as someone who is gay but also was a shy kid, i was drawn towards m/m relationships but i was not ready for the levels of physical intimacy and sexual abuse that a lot of these manga and anime relied on(looking at you gravitation) to draw people in. it was nice to have something that was "tame" enough not to scare me off but not so much so that i couldnt be sure there was anything going on outside of my own headcanon
that all being said; thankyou for picking this anime, it was a nice bit of nostalgia ^^
I came looking for an old anime and found the history of homosexuality in Japan
The channel "Linfamy" spends a lot of time talking about Japan's sexual history. It skews a bit sensationalist, but there's still a lot of interesting stuff there.
If you can call it that, the Japanese had the same views of women as the Ancient Greeks.
I was the English voice of "JJ", and it was fun to do as they let me go "over the top", with the character. I thought the storyline was okay but it was funny because I had no idea who JJ was until they sent me the script. I never auditioned for the character, but recorded it, the next day. I would have been nice to get a series from it, but I guess it continued as manga. Thanks for the memories.! ;)
Lol I wasn't expecting a Fake video in the year of our lord. I did watch this back in the day, all I remember is the rough premise and the banger opening though.
Oooh, does this mean we can maybe get Revolutionary Girl Utena for Pride Month someday? 🙂I feel like that one doesn't get talked about nearly enough these days, both on its own merits, and for being probably the queerest (in SO many ways) mainstream anime yet made at the time.
as long as Kaiser wouldn't say that Utena is yuri instead of shoujo ai, I can't wait for it too^^)
11:28 wait omg ALL this time "yaoi" has been the Japanese equivalent of the abbreviation "pwp" / "porn without plot" 😳‼️
Damn, this was a blast from the blast. The VAs i haven't heard in years, the Yaoi Wars, *The Corn*. It was definitely professional fanfiction, but it was pure stress relief during finals.
4:13 Really? REALLY? You dug up that old internet chestnut? I’m furious at you and I wish I could 👍 this video 10 more times!
fake was legitimately one of the first boy's love manga i ever read, i remember stumbling across it in a secondhand bookstore when i was teen and as at the time i was being raised in a very very conservative mega church i was really shocked cause stuff like this was not shown or talked about at all except in super negative contexts. Years later after i got out of that church, its super funny to me to look back and seeing how the romance was presented made me realize years down the line that i was very much not a straight cis person (i identify now as a gay trans man)
but yeah thank you for talking about this! like it's very important for people to know esp in the retro anime spaces that something like this did in fact exist
Great video and great coverage of not only Fake, but a great primer on yaoi/BL/rep in anime.
"It's Pride, time to turn up the Erasure!" is a whole-ass MOOD.
9:12 To be fair Persona seems fairly sympathetic to the plight of gay people. From what I understand some things that seem homophobic, are less so in the cultural context. Eg there is a stereotype in Japan, that anyone male who has any interest in traditionally feminine things must be gay and the same for a female perusing a traditionally masculine profession. And that the characters of Naoto and Kenji were meant to address and challenge this stereotype. Sorry I just watched a video on this recently and it popped into my head.
Ehhhhh... stereotyping cross-dressers as incredibly aggressive about pushing their lifestyle onto others is openly phobic, and hard to defend. (See also: One Piece's Momoiro Island.) That's a pretty gross scene by any measure, especially how it's playing borderline S.A. for laughs.
Like, we're not talking about Kanji and Naoto here. Their portrayal raises eyebrows in the west, but the writers' hearts were clearly in the right place in P4. THAT can be written off as "cultural differences." But the scene referenced here, with Ryuji getting harassed, is just ugly and perpetuating a stereotype that even other Japanese media was beginning to move away from at the time. At least in my observation.
Ngl, I miss old school yaoi. New bl content is very much diluted and I miss when it was more spicy. Same thing with modern shoujo I guess.
I have a suspicion that part of the reason for mainstream BL toning down its more explicit content is in part a consequence of the revised version of Bill 156 (an expansion of the 1964 Tokyo Metropolitan Ordinance Regarding the Healthy Development of Youths) passing in July 2011, as the vast majority of the targets of that specific anti-obscenity ordinance have been more explicit BL material.
Yeah, I can see how hard it would’ve been to find this series through a Google search. Though I got a good chuckle from that bit.
Mori Mari also rejected and/or divorced men fairly quickly, claiming they weren't good enough for her. History has claimed she had a complex for her late father, but considering how many queer women write m/m even today, I doubt we can write her off with the incest excuse so easily. I have to wonder what she'd say if she were alive today.
lesbian Penis envy is the essence of yaoi
My first Yaoi was “Decedents of Darkness”
The Davekat joke was a direct headshot on my 13 y/o self. I CHOKED
Oh well, at least those two helped me work out I was Bi. 20 y/o me is at least greatful for that
Ngl when I was a teen (late 90s, early 00s), I had no idea yaoi was by and for women. It was the first openly, unabashedly gay media I'd ever encountered, and I thought it was basically the coolest thing in the whole world lol. I also had a hilarious belief that Japan was a paradise where it was okay to be gay (not unlike the gaijin character you briefly showed in samurai champloo lmfao). Anyway I would eventually learn the truth about yaoi but I forever will appreciate it for helping me find my identity🏳️🌈 Thanks for giving it a spotlight and Happy Pride🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
I just let out the ugliest laugh/scream when I saw the corn 🌽 I think my brain had completely repressed that clip but it’s come back to me now 😂😂😂
The bliss when you find a new anime UA-camr that is not a neonazi. 😌
We're out there fighting the good fight
The comment of someone who's never seen real racial hatred.
...do I even want to know?
@@lainiwakura1776The comment of someone who sucks on urinal cakes.
@@juliagoodwin9510 Probably not, Julia.
Watched this back in 2007 on Logo. I found it pretty funny and was kinda surprised at how dark it gets in the second half. Coincidenctally, I'm watching your video while I'm on my own vacation in Japan. Great job, as always, KB!🏳️🌈👏
I love Yukio Mishima's work, he is very intense in Confessions of a mask, but very funny in Life for sale, so I highly recommend him. You may not be wild about his politics (I am not) but he was an intense man and a very smart writer. Although me and yaoi had a falling out for some time, I still return to some of it. Ai no kusabi is my favorite, and although I liked it when I was young because of the obvious content, now I love it as a whole. It's just too haunting to forget about it.
@@j.2512 I agree with you. However I was trying to underline how versatile he was. He is a very interesting writer as a whole.
Question: When did BL take over as the preferred term and where? In the US in the 2000s "yaoi" was preferred. In 2020s reddit and Crunchyroll, it's BL. I missed that transition, I guess...
Japan also uses BL.
Probably because of the reputation of the term yaoi. I imagine a rank newbie Googles that and up pops some questionable stuff. I'm gonna guess Boy's Love is more American accessible, and probably has less Google trauma attached.
@@lazchurchyard1229 I think you hit the nail on the head. A lot of fandoms are reeling from similar problems in fact.
"Yaoi" is still used for specifically erotic works, aka porn. "Boys love" is the catch-all for male-male relationship stories that have an actual plot. "Yuri" and "girls love" is still used pretty interchangeably, though.
Yaoi was never the prefered term. It was a derogatory term for BL fanworks and was never used for professional works in Japan. The term BL became popular in the 90's
I own this OAV on DVD, but I've yet to watch it. I've read the entire manga, though, and I absolutely loved it. I was there when BL was making its big strides in the US fandom and yaoi fandom was the biggest thing IN fandom, and FAKE was easily one of the most beloved BL titles of the day.
OOOF at that beheading scene. Guess even a romantic BL OVA needed a little gore, huh. (I'll still watch it though, lol.)
Finally, Ryo/Dee don't come off AS stereotypically in the manga. FAKE still leans into some old BL tropes, but the manga gives a lot more time to develop and even more nuance to Bikky's issues with Dee and his own relationship with Carol.
As someone who's watched the anime and read the manga, I recommend watching the anime subbed if you can (I think the DVD has both, if it's like my copy). Still, using htis particular bit for a pilot to try and start a FAKE series was...a weird choice.
Had to stare not to read as "fake and gay"
I wonder if this anime willed that meme into existence...
too late, he already made that joke in the episode
@@Code7Unltd Doubtful, gay was already used as an insult before the manga made it to the States.
I've seen this movie so many times over the years. It used to be the only BL anything I had access to for a long time.
I was expecting after talking about the prohibition of homosexuality in Japan for you to say "and here he comes, YUKIO MISHIMA WITH A CHAIR!!"
You telling me Vanity Fair plagiarized the photo of Cindy Crawford shaving KD Lang?
Saw the title and automatically thought “Descendants of Darkness” 🤷♂️
Same LOL
I bought this on VHS the moment I could get my hands on it when it was released in the UK back in the 90's, then I got it on DVD... THEN they finally released the manga XD
I also love it, because you have NO idea how hard it is to get my hands on Yaoi that doesnt involve children/school/OMFGthatisNIT18! I like my yaoi to me MEN! just like I like my fanfiction to be men/men, just like I like writing it ^_^ (Though my 1st fanfiction was YYH Hiei/Kurama and Kauwru/Shingi EVA... I was a LOT younger 25 years ago!)
I LOVE this series. But the manga is better >_
As a gay, I honestly don't really know about yaoi and fujoshi. I guess I don't really mind it for the most part, but I've experienced a lot of young women who maybe didn't have the most grounded perspective on us. In rare cases, even somehow trying to claim a kind of ownership over gay representation. Far be it from me to demand what fantasies you like to explore, but I just want people to be able to understand the difference between fantasy and reality.
Facial hair, for example. Actually really popular with guys who like guys, if you'd believe it.
K?. 😐😑😒😑.
I think I would also have to say it's MOSTLY good. I'll always have my little nitpicks about the obnoxious tropes that pop up time and again (say for instance, the "I'm not gay, but I would do anything for him" trope, or being rescued from SA even though the love interest is a walking red flag themselves), but overall I've drawn a lot of inspiration from the genre and it's really influenced my storytelling and art style. It really was prolific during a time when there was like... NO representation, so I'm pretty grateful for that, and it makes it something pretty nostalgic now (the retro stuff).
i'm a trans man and i'm queer and i get told that i'm a fujoshi because there's a huge overlap between "people who know and use the word fujoshi" and "transphobic shitheads" (trans man = assigned female at birth = to those people i am and will always be a girl, a nasty filthy girl who fetishized homosexual men so much that i pretend to be one!).... like literally i have never ever encounted a person who will talk shit about fujoshi and also be accepting of trans people. not one fucking time. not ever. every single person i have ever, ever encountered who says "i hate fujoshi" also hates trans people. weird!
I actually read this in full as the manga localized in Thailand. The mangaka is known for creating many BL manga. As a gay man who read a lot of mangas over the years, I feel ambivalent about this one. Ryu would be classified as "gay awakening" in the M/M romance genre. Or perhaps counted as a demi. One of my mild issue is with how aggressive Dee was in pursuit of Ryo. Dee, in the early part of the manga, forcibly making out with Ryo on many occasions. And the mangaka "soften the blow" by making Ryo mostly has reluctant or shy or retaliate reactions to the advances. It kinda fell into the harmful agressive/predatory gay trope... But this was one of the few gay mangas with actual plot that wasn't just "corn" that I found way back when...
Except demi was made up in 2012 on Tumblr, not something I would take seriously.
@@lainiwakura1776 According to WIkipedia, Asexual Visibility and Education Network coined the terms in 2006. I guess it made sense that the terms would not be known by the general public for sometimes due to niche nature of the study.
7:54 I remember that American dude from Dagashi Kashi 😂
Is it Biphobic if he has a history of “hitting and quitting?”
You got me at 4:51 lmao!
What about Tokyo Babylon? It was released around the same time iirc
persona
If he's gonna cover that, he should cover X as well.
Homestuck reference 10/10 😂
I have mix feelings when it comes to FAKE. I like the manga because it expands more than the ova. I’ve always just questioned why they made the decisions they did in the ova. For one thing, the two girls were added and I felt they were just put there to get killed. Everything happened exactly the same without Cindy trying to nudge Dee and Ryo’s feelings for each other.
I also wonder, why didn’t they just do the ova on the first chapters of the manga. They pulled from volume two, which would confuse anyone on who all the characters they introduced in such a short amount of time. If it was from the first volume, we would get to know, Ryo, Dee, Bikky, and Carol.
Also I think a manga/ova that came out called Kizuna by Kazuma Kodaka would be an interesting topic to talk about because she learned manga techniques from Sanami Matoh herself.
Because the point was to appeal to the fans of FAKE, otherwise, the OVA would just cover first few chapters.
@@lainiwakura1776 I'm a fan of Fake and my thoughts still have lingered since I first watched it. In the flashback they quickly show Ryo' and Dee's first interaction.
It would have been cool to continue on with that scene cause Bikky shows up around that time and you learn more about how Bikky interact with Dee and Ryo. Especially with Ryo who he treats him like a father figure.
omg i literally just watched this the other day
Happy pride to all anime fans! 😊
*FUCK YEAH, IT'S PRIDE MONTH!!! WOO!!!*
Also once again, you put out another banger vid
Kinda funny (and fitting) how two of the earliest BL to be released in North America had two _Gundam_ seiyuu as the leads cuz aside from Seki and Tobita being the leads in Fake
We also had Seki (again) and Kazuhiko Inoue (Jerid Messa from Zeta) as Shuichi and Yuki in _Gravitation_ (but then again, there's a bunch of Gundam seiyuu in that series)
Can you do more vintage Yaoi anime video! 🙏💕PRETTY PLEASE!💕🙏
Never trust mysterious attractive blonde men!!
I LOVE shonen-ai from this era, so if it's possible to find a physical copy of this manga, I'll definitely have to check it out.
I admit my knowledge of LBGT+ topics is limited, but I'm willing to learn. I'm saying this because I'm not sure what to say without stepping on a land mine.
I mean this is yaoi so it'sioverlap with real life queer experiences is minimal. Like harlequin romance and rl straight relationships.
its tough online where tone can be hard to read, but if you're discussing things in good faith, there will be people happy to talk about stuff like LGBT life with you!
@@tape-6 Thanks! Where can I go for that?
If you're not hateful and come by it honestly, you won't. Anger is reserved for real bigotry
I watched Fake almost 20 years ago and didn't really remember it as well as Loveless or Gravitation, so it's nice to be reminded of it and it's great to see a work like this covered so well. It feels like sometimes it can be hard to have a discussion about earlier BL and yaoi works without people getting very hung up on whether yaoi/BL should exist at all (or at least, a few years back it felt that way) so it's really nice to see a focus on "wait... do these guys actually work as a believable romantic couple?". I wrote a lot of essays in university on queer representation in comics, manga, anime, and western animation, and it's a subject I still think about a lot. I must admit... I had to pause at the Dave/Karkat joke from laughing so much, it caught me completely off guard. Great video!
Great video!
What's the song called starting at 25:26? 😂
happy pride kaiser!
To be fair, Japan isn't the only country to fetishize homosexual couples in media made by hetero writers for hetero audiences. It's rampant in porn but even in erotica and art house films; I remember there being a debate about whether the film version of Blue is the Warmest Color, a famed LGBTQ+ graphic novel by Jul Maroh (born Julie Maroh and cited as such on the cover of most of their books, hence the need to include their former name), was geared towards male audiences due to the fact that the director was cis-male and the sex scenes were much more explicit (and extended) than in the GN (as a cis-male, I'm going to plead the fifth on my own experience watching the film). The Scott Pilgrim graphic novel series even hints at this kind of fetishization, with Scott, upon learning that Ramona is bisexual and had a relationship with Roxy, saying, "You had a sexy phase?!" and at another point (though I honestly don't remember if it was in the graphic novel or the movie or both) saying "I'm in lesbian with you," when he meant "love." There's a think piece in there somewhere, and I am nowhere near qualified to write it. I wonder where the Wachowski's Bound fits into this discussion, now that both directors, who at the time they made the film presented as male (at least to the general public), have come out as trans. I remember it being praised at first for representation and then as fetishizing lesbians for a male audience. I'm curious, has the pendulum swung back to the film being accepted by the LGBTQ+ community, especially with the Matrix being reevaluated as a trans allegory?
Why did i read Fake and gay?
Fire! is not the first "shonen ai" manga. It's exceptional for having the first gay kiss scene in manga, but the stories central romance is heterosexual.
Dudes being guys
Now I'm curious if there exists actual yuri anime that exists pre-2000 that is romantic focus, and isnt just porn.
Have you seen Dear Brother?
revolutionary girl utena?
Could have been worse. You could have picked "Stop Hibari-kun!" An older gag-anime where the main character is trans and the main, repeated, recurring joke for the rest of the series is that everyone in the entire town tries to stop Hibari-kun and make them "normal" and thus fit into regular society.
I am not sure what version of SHK you read/watched but that behavior is limited to main character Kousaku, one of her three sisters, and her father. To the town at large she passes as a cis woman with no issue and is beloved by everyone.
most trans/transfem people i know love stop hibari-kun and its portrayal of transness in the 80s. The real problem with the show is the 80s anime insane racism
The bill wurtz reference plsss
Finally, Copaganda I can get behind
😅 Well that was enlightening!
Seriously, I’ve been into anime since the seventies and knew about all of this stuff … heck Motoko was into chicks, big time.
Thx & More, please … history is important.
2:29 Peter Rabbit?
Whether you like it or not!
I absolutely loved fake.
"The next time you see something homophobic in a Persona game, blame colonialism." The psychological concept of people having a "Persona," and the game style of a party of adventurers crawling through a multi-level dungeon came from the West, too, not just the bad stuff.
You should cover "Stop, Hibari!" for this month. The main character is a trans girl.
Can you do seven of seven?
I thought the word "yaoi" was an anagram of "Stop it, my ass hurts"?
That's a meme.
Homestuck'd.
Not a thing I'd likely watch, I'm not the intended audience and that's ok, but just wanted to say this was another good video by yourself.
Deserves a remake that removes the problematic scenes.
it is ironic that Japan has a "conservative" mindset on lgbt considering the actual bisexual nature of the samurai
It's basically America's fault. Perry really screwed everything up.
@@j.2512 Forcing pride or undoing a mistake?
I wouldn't call it bisexual, considering even if they were gay, they still had to have a wife and produce an heir.
@@lainiwakura1776 actually it would be more pansexual like The Metatron says on his channel, I can link if you want
@@lainiwakura1776 more like pansexual like the metatron would describe it on his channel when discuss ancient civilizations and the samurai, i can put a link if you want
Your title could be clearer that this is in fact a real anime. Thanks for an interesting video regardless.
HAPPY PRIDE NERDS!
I can see the pixels.
I'm still not sure how I feel about Fujoshi some are def sus tho
Oh dear lord, the Yaoi Paddles 😅
I'm pretty sure some people will have Vietnam-esqu flashbacks from seeing these.
I remember seeing some of the boths by Hendane ( the company that distributed Yaoi doujinshi and Yaoi paddles in cons) have the LGBT flag with the word Yaoi on it. People's reactions were pretty strong
unfortunately so were some of those paddles
Yaoi =/= Queer.
Two are completely different meanings.
Not really.
Actually, the meaning is the same.
how???
Yaoi is queer. Not all queer is yaoi.
The video actually goes into the "yaoi debate," the divide over BL versus geicomi, and the history and validity of argument you're trying to make, if you watch it.