Modern Star Wars Replacing X-wings with E-Wings!? Tactical Analysis and Explanation!!
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- Can the venerable Income T-65b Xwing actually be replaced by the New Republic Freitek E-wing actually be replaced. Lets use seom CG graphics and lore to analyze this! Support the channel with superthanks below or...
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Hi, how about a SW version of the Renault FT, A7V, Saint-Chamond, and T-35 tanks? Or a ST take on the Heinkel He 162, de Havilland Vampire, Saab 29 Tunnan, and Republic F-84F Thunderstreak fighters?
I think your comparison is good. If we were to use a 2023 example, I think the situation may be akin to why the USAF expanded its orders and upgrades for the F-15Es to F-15EXs over simply producing more F-35s.
Rather than sticking with the old explanation that the E-Wing is a replacement for the X-Wing, I think it would make more sense that it was a replacement for the Y-Wing. When you look at the stats, most of its capabilities are similar to the Y-Wing (two large engines, two heavy laser cannons and a larger load of torpedo's than you would see on an X-Wing) with the trade off that it doesn't have ion cannons but is able to keep up with more modern fighter craft like the X-Wing both in terms of straight line speed and maneuverability. Add to the fact that the Y-Wing had been out of manufacture for many years by the time of Ashoka with the Rebel fleet having got theirs by 'liberating' old Clone Wars stocks from salvage yards it makes a lot of sense that the New Republic would seek to replace these venerable fighters. Yes, there is the B-Wing but it is more expensive to produce, larger, just as slow as a Y-Wing in flight and again lacks maneuverability.
That E wing looks like it could contain a second person in the cockpit (note the windows behind the canopy. This could possibly be for the Star Wars version of a RIO.
This ship overall feels to me like someone wanted the advantages of an X wing and the firepower and tankiness of a Y wing in one ship. It works.. and i absolutely LOVE the design of it.
I just was having that thought, it seems more like a modern Y-wing replacement which fits better since it's tougher and could pack more of a punch for the cost in maneuverability.
Seems like a great use for the E-Wing is in the ground attack role or attacking large capital ships and stations.
Corron Horn with his double attack was a terror on the table top game.
"Would you intercept me?"
I'd imagine this is what E-Wings would ask if they could.
Ha! That damn 22.
Being both called 'medium' laser cannons, I always imagined that the IX-9 had simply a better range over the KX-9, which would couple well with the high power sensor package of the E-Wing. The E-Wing would thus employ a further refined version of the 3:15 tactic: Charge head-on and fire from greater range, destroying the enemy before they get a chance to respond.
Interesting. My understanding is that the Legends E-Wing was as maneuverable as a Tie Interceptor. Presumably there were advancements in the control system that made it more nimble than the original X-Wing. In both Legends and Canon, the E-Wing was eclipsed by newer versions of the X-Wing. The XJ series in Legends and the T-70 & T-85 in Canon.
In real life, my guess is that Legends writers wanted the E-Wing to replace the X-Wing, but the fans didn't want to give up one of Star Wars' most iconic ships, so the XJ series was developed.
I still want to see an official big screen version of both the XJ and the stealthX, dammit.
(And the stealthX needs to be more than a black speckled version lol)
If I designed the E-Wing I would have put two canons on either side of the main fuselage on top of the wings and incorporated an engine into the rear of the main fuselage
I think that a combination of both x-wing and e-wings makes more sense in the long run. As each has it's own strengths and weaknesses. So a mix of both makes more tactical sense. For more strategic targets the addition of a pure bomber defended by a mix of x-wing's and e-wing's works. In my opinion. Kind regards from Daniel Harman.
Personally, I would prefer if the 3rd Gun, that is dorsally mounted, be oriented to facing backwards & on a swivel mount with a Droid to help auto-target anybody/thing that is targeting the pilots craft.
Given that Star Wars is heavy on the Dog Fighting in Space aspect of WW2, having a Auto-Turret covering your back sides would be a game changer.
People just cannot easily get behind you if you have a single turret firing back, it changes the entire Dog Fighting Dynamics
Turreted fighters were proven ineffective during WW2.
@@pepperedash4424 They didn't have advanced computer targeting in WW2.
Something Star Wars has in droids and more than enough computing power to make a difference.
@@kamenriderblade2099 WW2 had vacuum tubes and Radar guided guns for the allies.
Regardless; aerodynamics was what doomed turreted fighters not accuracy. Why add the additional weight and cost of a computer guided turret when turretless planes turn faster and cost less?
@@pepperedash4424 Nanotubes? As in Carbon Nano-Tubes?
Yeah, that concept was in a scientists glimmery eyes & dreams at that time.
RADAR was literally in it's infancy.
Turreted Fighters were also pretty frigging huge & heavy compared to regular fighters of their day.
@@pepperedash4424 Vacuum Tubes was a literal brand new concept and secret in WW2
I think the e-wing is mostly good at taking down medium sized vessels since it has double the proton torpedoes. I would add them to a mix if there was an engagement that called for having more proton torpedoes then add the x-wing for the defensive requirements in dogfighting.
I feel like the biggest issue with the E-wing is that its likely a better ARC-170, it would probably excel in the roles those ships excel at but even better, but to truly replace the X-wing it needs to be a generalist like the X-wing overall is which it isnt
This version would benefit greatly from rear facing turret, it got space for it. Second pilot also sounds like a good idea, so maybe there is an ontion to make one into a scout, giving it same doctrinal role as ARC-170. Seriously, look at the astromech dome as size indicator, E-wing is massive! The thing might be a replacement for Y-wing instead of X-wing.
The EWing came about with the new republics fleet modernization program in the old EU, that same program saw multiple new capitol ship and fighter designs.
In the old lore, the Ewing held 16 proton torpedoes with a single launcher, two laser cannons, and one light turbolaser, but production was limited due to tibana gas supply issues for the turbolasers, however later versions dropped the turbolaser for a laser cannon.
Probably not replacing x-wings considering x-wings all being used by everyone in Episode 7 onward, which takes place after Ahsoka.
I was under the impression that the Resistance used second hand or privately donated X-wings, but the main New Republic Military used the top-of-the-line E-wings. I could be entirely wrong, though.
@SWATreject I think we're in some grey territory regarding "official" Canon versus the filoniverse SW.
If I had to split the difference, maybe it turned out that despite the E being a strong ship, it was more maintenance heavy than the older Xs. (Hanger queen?)
So when incom came out w the new series Xs, maybe with similar stats, they stuck w incom due to familiarity, established supply and maintenance, and lower cost.
The E could have become more of a status ship for PDFs to prove they were in the big leagues.
Although you are thinking of BNZ as the only tactic other tactics are involved when doing BNZ. One has two fighters, one is the bait, the other is not, and one engages from the sides of an enemy aircraft. Or in this case Starfighter.
This was a maneuver we used to engage the Japanese A6M zeros. Since the TIE/LN is similar to that of a Zero, hitting from the sides, above or rear would effectively knock it out. Then it is rinse and repeat. But if there are more hostile Starfighters than allied Starfighters BNZ would be effective within loops, spiral loops, and cross loops.
There are many reasons why pilots would enjoy playing the E-Wing over the X-Wing since it requires more experience and skill to result in better-trained pilots who are also more flexible and can often read one another's actions or what the enemy might pull off similarly to that of a chessboard.
However, the X-Wing is a lot easier to learn and master. The E-Wing was not. It's a similar case of BF-109's and A6M's. A6M's were very easy to learn but incredibly difficult to master while BF-109's were incredibly difficult to learn but easy to master.
Im kinda looking at it as the relationship between the f14 (Ewing) and the f18.
Speed, size and long range punch to the E, agility, versatility and ultimately flexibility to the X.
Something I liked from Star Fox Zero was the idea of the Laser Cannons being mounted on a gimble system instead of being fixed in place.
This means that the Arwing did not not have to position the entire craft perfectly to hit enemy targets but instead just had to be facing the general direction of said enemy.
Though it took more shots in Zero to bring down an enemy craft vs the fewer shots it took to shoot down the same craft in Star Fox 64. I guess using a Gimble System requires more maintenance resulting in lower fire power.
I'd love to see Star Wars or other sci-fi flicks toy around with this concept. Though I guess you can say Star Trek kind of does this already with their various Phaser Systems.
There are a few in SW, like iirc the A wing was able to shoot off axis by a limited bit, but you never really see a small enough ball turret to fit on a snubfighter. For the weapon to be small enough, it wouldn't have enough punch for a dogfight.
The only exception I can think of would be the K-wing (all hail the A10 of SW🫡) which had a turret, but was in no way a dogfighter.
That was a pretty useful feature. Having your guns being able to move on to other targets in a way you don't have to completely reorient your fighter to get a shot.
Eckharts was right when he said that fighter would ruin SW fighters.
@@blackc1479 Lol, I use entire flights of K-Wings in Awakening of the Rebellion and watch the lamentations of Thrawn before me🤣
@@generaljimmies3429 (Hudson voice) "fuckin' A"
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"Mean, chip on the shoulder, lookin for trouble, space kitty"
Still irritated noone has made a model kit of one. Preferably with fully loaded hardpoints.
@@blackc1479 I can only imagine the meeting that went down during the K-Wing's design...
Design Lead: Okay gentleman, how much ordinance do we want to put the K-Wing?
Literally everyone: ALL OF IT!!!
The wider engine placement of the E-Wing would mean that using thrust differential then it would be more maneuverable. But I don't think either fighter uses that method of steering. Instead, the X-Wing probably uses some kind of RCS in the nose. That explains why the X-Wing has such a long nose (for more torque when maneuvering). The E-Wing probably uses vernier exhaust in the ion engines themselves given different nozzle than one the X-Wing.
Gotta admit, when you were talking about X-wing vs E-wing, my brain went "So, P-51 vs P-38?" and then you compared the E-wing to the P-38. :D
Given the speed and acceleration... you could argue that the two fill different roles. Fighter vs Heavy fighter, or perhaps Fighter vs Interceptor. E-wing is an interceptor in the same vein as the F-4 (as designed), F-14, F-104, etc. Take off, get out to the targets as fast as possible, splash as many targets as possible at long range before they can engage their targets. X-wing is a fighter(-bomber) like the F8U, P-47, F-86.... So in theory, you'd want a squad of each - E-wings intercept at range and break up the formation while thinning it out, then X-wings get mixed in closer with E-wings slashing through (or E-wings strike the enemy ships while X-wings handle the defense, given the large Legends payload of torpedoes).
Of course, you could have some fun and say that the E-wing is actually a Y-wing replacement, intended to get in and out fast. F-105, F-111 style, maybe. ;)
Great video. I always click on your vids! However, you should know that in WWII, fighter escorts were the *least* effective when they stuck close to the bombers. This was experienced by both Allied and German fighter pilots. Fighter escorts were most effective when they could "galavant" about the sky a bit. In a way, the WWII allied bombers acted as bait for the German interceptor fighters, and the US Air Force deliberately exploited this, in order to attrit German fighter strength in preparation for D-Day. Also, the P-38 could also turn competitively in a dogfight, if the pilot knew how to apply the flaps.
I see the E-Wing as fulfilling a slightly different role than the X-Wing. I see the X-Wing as a multirole superiority fighter, where the E-Wing is more of a multirole intercepter. The X-Wing is better at tangling with fighters, where the E-Wing is better at intercepting bombers before they get into weapons range. Both are pretty effective against harder targets with their torpedoes. The E-Wing might have been marketed as a replacement for the X-Wing, but it doesn't seem to be actually designed to do the same job.
Plus the E can hit harder, on multiple targets, with fast slashes.
I like the more streamline look of the E-Wing in canon vs the legends. I have never liked the weird designs of the E-wing in legends and how inconsistent it was
That was great, makes a lot of sense to me.
To me, it seems like the E-wing is a cross between the X-wing and Y-wing. It's got a heavier profile of armaments, shields and size to the X-wing, along with more powerful twin engines.
I think a better design would be a big engine in the back of the fuselage, two more streamined manuvering thrusters in the wings; have anhedral and dihedral wingtips to prevent vortices in atmosphere, mount the laser in the under the nose for accuracy, under mounted missiles in the wings easier to reload and maintain, have a turret operated by the astromech to shoot down enemies on their tail (AI tail gunner). Maybe a more flat and broad cockpit / front section (Maybe more akin to a Y wing cockpit or a merging) So looking from the back you would see something like this:
\ /
\ /
\ (Astromech Slot & Shield Generator) /
(Manuvering Engine)--------------------(Main Engines)-------------------(Manuvering Engine)
/ (Wing Mounted Missiles) ^ (Wing Mounted Missiles) \
/ I \
/ (Laser Cannons Mounted Under Nose) \
(Rear Tail Turret)
In my head the E-wings role is to be sent out in hunter pack to less secured zone not to dog fit but more so hit and run (so like a modern strike fighter); refit x wings can still fit the escort role and heavy bombers can still be used but outside a regular war. The strike fighter is very useful.
p.s. I would really love if you made a render for this I can't draw for crap and have a hard time describing my idea to my friends.
I would mention things like build costs, build times, maintenance or logistics could be a factor, but then this is Star Wars. The Rebels managed to get all of their ships down to their fighters equipped with individual shield generators and hyperdrives, so its pretty clear that the Rebels have all the fuel and resources they could want.
Hey just asking if you can make the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit stealth bomber in star wars
I don't mind the thrid gun being removed, but what gets me is NOW THE EXPOSED ASTROMECH!!! Like seriously this was ONE of the most LOGICAL things that not enough starfighters do that the E wing did. The Astromech is seriously like one of the most important things in a starfighter in my opinion. It calculates hyperspace routes faster then a pilot can even put them in, repair damaged systems mid combat, reroute power much quicker than a human, and essentially a copilot to the fighter. SO WHY THE FUDGE WOULD YOU HAVE IT EXPOSED?! We have seen in starwars multiple times where the astromech gets destroyed and leaves the starfighter in a MUCH MORE VULNERABLE POSITION! Meanwhile with the old E wing you don't have that happen unless the ENTIRE ship was destroyed which at that point it won't have mattered if the astromech was exposed or not.
Interesting thoughts.
And lovely graphics! 😁👍
i see the E-Wing as a new stablemate to the Y-Wing and B-Wings... more of a fighter/bomber (or F/A) than a fighter that has some ground attack capabilities.
To me, the E-Wing serves a very similar purpose to the ARC's of the Clone Wars or the P-47 or F-15: a heavy fighter meant to hunt down bombers, damage & destroy warships, break corvette & gunboat screens, and provide ground support. Their durability and heavy firepower make them a heavy puncher against anything they target and can run from trouble faster than a bomber, but their lack of maneuverability makes them the prey of choice to the faster and more maneuverable interceptors who can keep the heavy fighters' big guns away.
Huh neat.... though now I can't help but ask have you ever considered doing more of your RL inspired aircraft as star wars starfighters videos?
It sounds like the E-Wing is more of a multi-role strike fighter while the X-Wing is a multi-role superiority fighter.
For a real world equivalence, The X-Wing fills the role that the F-16 filled and the E-Wing fills the role that the F-15E fills.
I didn't know this version of the E-wing. The best known for me remains the E-wing with three laser cannons. It's been talked about for some time as the successor to the X-wing, but Disney introduced the T-70... since then I haven't followed Star Wars anymore, so I'm not up to date.
If we assume that the Canon E-Wing is less maneuverable than the T-65, is faster and more rugged, it might be more of an attack starfighter, kind of a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt to the T-65's P-51 Mustang. The Thunderbolt was a decent escort fighter, but it excelled at ground attack, and was able to absorb a lot of damage. The E-Wing would be a better choice for attack runs against Imperial capital ships where they could out run the supporting Ties and deliver their payload. The T-65s would then be assigned to an escort role. Just a thought.
Probably more of an interceptor or heavy reconnaissance application. A sturdy A-Wing replacement with single pilot arc-170 capability. If you have to counter pirates with small transports they will be less manueverable and require heavier weapons to counter - plus would want to engage from longer distance.
I think you've got it pretty close to spot on. The E-Wing is a better Atmospheric fighter and decent enough in space to take on most opponents without being drastically outmatched. I do think that the X-wing is still going to take it in space however, and add to that the x-wings lower cost, wider astromech droid selection, I don't think the Starfighter Corps will be changing any time soon. Planetary governments would be a different story though as in atmospheric battles are going to be a frequent thing.
I dunno, maybe in canon, the E-wing is a planetary patrol craft, where the x-wings are still deployed to fleet squadrons.
We need the Q-Wings like they showed in Robot Chicken
I figured that Twitter's name change to "X" caused a Disney backlash.
I could see it replacing the Y-wing, as well as being a solid patrol fighter. The bulk of the E-wing probably allows it to do longer range missions than the T-65B, and defend itself better than a Longprobe Y-wing. The E-wing is probably cheaper, easier to pilot and more flexible than an A-wing or a B-wing, so it can be fielded in greater quantity than them and do more missions. The X-wing would still continue to be a better escort fighter, the A-wing a better interceptor, and the B-wing and K-wing are better bombers, but the E-wing can do all these roles reasonably well and ease logistical headaches as well (at least, that is the plan). It is easier to source parts for two advanced starfighters (E-wing and K-wing) than for one ancient fighter (Y-wing), a good dogfighter (X-wing), and two hard to fly maintenance hogs (A-wing and B-wing). Didn't work out like that, but they did try, like many real nations, to build a solid multirole fighter platform in the E-wing.
The E-wing is an escort fighter. It's job is to guard ships/bases. And with it's slow 2x hyperdive it will take forever to attack targets. Where's the A/B/X/Y wings all have 1x hyperdrives. So a 2 hours jump for them is now a 4 hours jump for the E-wing.
The B-Wing actually has a 2x hyperdrive, but the U-Wing has 1x.
Should have modeled the EU version instead / as well.
The e-wing isn't really a replacement for the x-wing. The e-wing replaced the A-wing, and is 100% an improvement in this case. While yes slightly slower, it is heavier, better armed, and protected, while still able to counter the faster ties. Both the A and the E have technical issues and are garage fighters (always in the shop fixing those engines).
The X-wing was very reliable, good in a dogfight, and had better firepower against fighters. It was also just so symbolic of the new republic / rebellion.
In the new republic fleet, the X was the fighter role. The A (replaced by E) was the interceptor. The Y the bomber (later replaced by the B, and later still the K). Besides the random other craft they still used because budget / production issues (cloakshape fighters, ties, etc) to fill the gaps.
I know they say that the e-wing was supposed to replace the X wing, but that is just like people saying the f 35 is going to replace everything. It's not the truth, it's just the company making the things marketing.
what about rates of fire? and control of said fire? here i am notesing that the X wing is fireing = to its wings where in EP 4 in the cock pit it looks like its fireing to the center having both as an option is usful in a dog fight. also with a slow rate of fire it might be easyer to control the timing of the shots ,where a faster fire rate can make it harder to dodge but harder to control or run of power faster. there other issues with both and positives for both but those are my 2 Cents
I think I get where you're coming from with the maneuverability of the X-Wing compared to the E-Wing, but I might draw a different conclusion. I believe the E-Wing would be an excellent dog fighter. And I'd draw from Star Citizen for my reasoning. Now you take an E-wing, and put it up against say, a Tie fighter, and it's overwhelming speed advantage, shielding, armor, AND weapons, and it would make it really good for Lancing, that is, as you said, charging toward the target, tanking shots, and delivering your own, and then speeding past them to wheel back around. But it is also more than that. Now you take this speed, and lean into it. If you somehow lose the advantage, or maybe you're overwhelmed and have to disengage, then you can. Shunt weapon power into engines, create distance, allow your shields the chance to recover, and also reposition, pick your target, maybe get a lock with torpedos, or use them to scatter a group of closing opponents.
And on convoy or escort duty, your job isn't just to destroy other fighters, but to draw their fire away from your larger, more vulnerable (relatively speaking) destroyers, corvettes, etc. Speed and durability go a long way for that. And you can also blap some fools, of course. But more than that, an E-wing seems like bomber kryptonite, given it's more powerful laser weaponry and heavier armor and shields. A good E-wing pilot/squadron might even give Tie Defenders a right run for their money.
you know I just notice the E-Wing a trap as a perfect hidden Imperial manipulation in the NR due to design issues
Mind examining the old U-wing? From the X-wing games.
Uh, what exactly is that old u-wing called? I've never heard of it before?
I will offer a slight modification to this. If the e-wing is faster but not as maneuverable, Then perhaps just like modern day fighters, And world war two fighters, The e-wing probably relies more on boom and zoom tactics, While the x wing would prefer turn fighting
I'm guessing the canon version of the E-wing was a bust because we don't see any in the shows or movies set latter in the timeline.
Movable S-foils would have required far more maintenance and would have been an inherently less stable weapons platform than the e-wing's fixed S-foils. The e-wing is just a more robust design overall (blaster fragility not withstanding). The ability to have 16 torpedoes gives it dogfighting firepower nearly on par with the deadly missile boats from "Tie Fighter" and would be devastating in hit and run maneuvers on fighters and capitol ships alike.
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Based on the stats given I would designate the E more as a replacement for the B
If the stats are the same between Legenda and Canon the E-Wing would be a better A-Wing replacement. IMO. It has similar speed to the A-Wing, acceleration between the X-Wing and A-Wing, and much greater firepower then an A-Wing..
Maybe the e-wing would be better at a bomber role like in Hiroshima ... they quickly get in do heavy damage to a Target and get out as quickly as they can, this version of the e-wing might simply be a better b-wing that is capable of protecting itself without needing escort Fighters so you could use your x-wings to protect your Capital ships and use the Ewings to unload everything they got on enemy Capital ships and just get out of there
Also the R-7's batteries would run out of power
where's the third blaster cannon above the cockpit?!
#notmyewing
I think you pair two pairs of E-wings with either a full squadron of x-wings or two squadrons, You use the E-wings to charge in from another angle when the ties first reach weapons range of the x-wings breaking up the formations just before that merge, perhaps breaking up the formations targeting the heavier ships like bombers making the empire pull off fighters to deal with a pair of ships.
X-wings stay close to their carriers, the E-wings go deeper into hit and run strike formations of ties as they launch create chaos with the speed, escape back past the line of x-wings when taking heavy fire.
If X-wings are attacking a target they can also go in first soften up the target with torpedos before the x-wings reach the target and have swung around by time the X-wings are almost finished ready to clean up any hard targets on the SD the x-wings missed about the time any bombers would be reaching the target.
Clearly you could just use a wing of these alone but i think you could have some trouble protecting them if enemies that could match speed got behind them and they couldn't shake them, the X-wings would be able to come to the rescue and force any klingons outta their behinds!
X-Wings just plain look cooler :)
So the xwing is the Toyota of the star wars world
I love the xwing it's an iconic sci-fi space fighter
Ok, assuming the same bulk, for the E-Wing to be faster those two engines would have to be more powerful than the X-Wing's four, which judging by their size I'm kinda skeptical of that claim as they're actually not that much bigger as the X-Wing's - and seeing as the E-Wing is actually heavier, that definitely means the claim that it's faster is BS. And as for firepower, the X-Wing had four laser cannons vs the E-Wing's two (or three for the Legends version), so I'd have to assume they're only talking about ordinance, not primary weapons.
I don't think quantity of weapons or number or size of engines really is a good qualifier for... anything. The TIE series carries the tiniest, most adorable little baby thrusters, yet they haul ass like an X-wing without trouble.
Now, the X-wing is a design from before the death star was first destroyed, that places it before 0 ABY. The E-wing is therefore at least 9-10 years younger than the T-65, and the T-65 is probably in fact older than that.
So. Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, from 1995. Combat weight, 21 320 kg. It has two turbofans. Then, Lockheed Martin F-22, from 2005, exactly ten years separation. Combat weight, 29 410 kg. It too, has two turbofans.
And yet, despite this, the F-22, while being heavier and larger, not only is more tolerant to high G stresses, thus being more able to handle rough manoeuvring, but it is also significantly faster, at mach 2.25 versus the F/A-18's mach 1.6. In fact, the F-22's engines, with only ten years of separation, produces 116 kNs of dry thrust, exactly double the thrust of the F/A-18, on the same number of turbojets.
If the E-wing has a more advanced and/or efficient power plant, and a more recent series of thruster, it could easily in ten years produce enough force with two engines to match the power of the X-wing's four. In fact, if the X-wing is a few years old by episode IV, this power gap could be even wider. If so, not only could the E-wing potentially match the X-wing in speed, but reasonably also surpass it.
Now, onto weapons-power. The fighters of WW2 carried multiple machine guns on their wings, but modern fighters quickly reduced the number of guns they carry. This isn't just because it is increasingly irrelevant in combat, no, because the A-20, the plane that will not die, still only carries one gun. The primary difference is that modern guns are *so much more powerful*. The machine guns carried by a WW2 monoplane do not even close to hold up against, say, a 20mm Vulcan, and those have been used on aircraft for the last 60-ish years.
Now, in Star Wars, the size of a laser cannon assembly is also not indicative of its power. The TIE/LN carries relatively small, yet very powerful laser cannons that tore through X-wings and Y-wings over Yavin, despite both of those being shielded fighters. If you want a very clear example of this, compare the size of L-s9.3 laser cannons on the TIE Striker, to the size of the H-s1 heavy laser cannon located directly beneath them. It is certainly not unreasonable that a new galactic government could develop a more powerful laser cannon than the rebels were using. After all, the rebels were *literally a guerrilla movement.*
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"The TIE series carries the tiniest, most adorable little baby thrusters, yet they haul ass like an X-wing without trouble."
You're missing the other part of the equation here. Yes, the TIE has very small thrusters. It also weighs almost nothing compared to other fighters. But the E-Wing is as heavy or heavier than the X-Wing, so it would need significantly more thrust than an X-Wing to achieve higher speeds. That means either bigger/more engines or a completely different propulsion system.
As for laser cannons, no, the TIEs weren't just shredding shielded rebel fighters, it took several direct hits for a TIE to down an X-Wing or Y-Wing, whereas only the X-Wing's cannons could down a TIE in only a couple well-placed shots. Time to kill was similar because the TIE's cannons had a higher rate of fire to compensate.
Your WWII vs Modern fighter comparison doesn't actually work that well. Yes, modern aircraft cannons are _technically_ more powerful _to an extent,_ but they also take up more internal space because the larger caliber, longer rotary-barreled designs are PHYSICALLY LARGER. That's not the case with either the X-Wing or E-Wing's exposed cannons which are around the same size. Granted, they're energy weapons so the amount of input power has an effect as well, but beyond a certain point you'd need larger components to handle more power.
We've also not been shown any evidence that technology has progressed significantly since the Imperial era. In fact, technology seems to have regressed slightly since the prequels and has, for the most part, not recovered. The only exception is the First Order which managed to cram very basic shields into a standard TIE, but even then it's only a slight improvement and the FO TIE's performance is actually slightly hampered by it.
@@VestedUTuber In episode IV, let's break down the times an X-wing is attacked by a TIE fighter. In the first X-wing vs TIE engagement where an X-wing is destroyed, going frame by frame, the X-wing survives *one* shot against the wing where only half of the TIE's two guns actually hit, then a shot to the centre back of the hull where both shots from the TIE hit is shown as the killing shot. So, that means an X-wing can at most survive one and a half direct hits from a TIE.
Next, we have a Y-wing which gets hit *once* in the left engine pod, all other shots miss, and the Y-wing instantly disintegrates as its engine falls off and the craft combusts.
Next, another X-wing is targeted by Vader in the trench run. Previously in this sequence of events, they have stated this is when the X-wing's shields are stabilised towards the rear. And yet, the exact second you see the shots actually connect, the X-wing combusts instantly the next frame. That is categorical on-screen proof that even single or double hits from a TIE is powerful enough to shred an X-wing and Y-wing to pieces. Even in the Clone Wars, Y-wings with full armour are frequently downed in single shots from other fighters of that time, too, despite supposedly being shielded.
As for modern aircraft cannons, multiple WW2 aircraft carried very large cannons with high calibers, often to their detriment. The Vulcan physically is not much larger than 40mm cannons that were in fact on occasion mounted on aircraft of that time. Hell, there's even WW2 aircraft that mounted 75mm tank guns, though that was rare (and exceptionally stupid). This, however, did not make those guns more effective because they were larger. The modern 20mm is lightweight (in comparison to other guns like the GAU-8 for example), decently powerful and fires significantly faster, which is significantly more important than the force of an individual round.
As for tech regression, I, frankly, disagree. While in expanded universe sources there were indeed large ships of that time, the ISD and Executor both far surpass their predecessors in the Venator (which had a habit of violently exploding) or Mandator.
The T-70 X-wing is stated in numerous sources to have sensor-scattering paint on it, a thing that is rarely if ever attested before or during the galactic civil war. The T-70 is also 10 MGLT faster than the T-65. It is even stated directly in source books about the T-70 that several components on the T-65 model have been miniaturised due to technological advancement, leading to increased performance.
You can of course bring up the cloaking ship from Clone Wars, except that's a one-off prototype, one which also was technology already known to a select niche, and in the empire, a random imperial captain appears well aware cloaking devices exist and their limitations, "No ship that small has a cloaking device".
Sure, a lot of *civilian* craft of the galactic republic were indeed much more sophisticated, such as Nubian yachts being absolutely beautiful pieces of engineering, but for that, I present the Thompson machine gun. The second war broke out, the Thompson's components were simplified as much as possible to cut costs wherever they could when selling to the military, but it was still largely replaced by the Grease Gun, a cheaper alternative that certainly looks primitive in comparison to the civilian Thompson. Things produced for the civilian sector before war time will of course look significantly nicer than what is produced under an oppressive empire that has just emerged from war and is still in the process of draining resources for military production.
@@manny022 It certainly is possible, though I would say the Z-95 I would not believe to be in military service by the point the E-wing itself is rolled out. The Z-95 was old even by republic standards and was only used by the rebel alliance because they had no option but to use what they could get their hands on. I think the exact second the T-65 was produced out on industrial instead of individual scale for a fledgling rebellion, the Z-95 would quickly have faded from use, either due to their destruction in combat or simply because their pilots moved on to the much better platform that is the T-65, which boasts greater characteristics in virtually every category.
I personally *do* think the E-wing would replace the X-wing in New Republic service, but it's not necessarily because it is a direct improvement, more because it has a more general mission profile. If you are no longer at war, a less specialised, heavy-weight platform with a lighter focus on fleet combat makes a lot of sense. A faster craft can more adequately respond to pirate activity, a higher ordnance load means a greater ability to respond to a wider range of threats when acting without a carrier and no S-foils means your design is likely less technically complex and therefore cheaper per unit. It doesn't necessarily have to be *better* than the X-wing, it just has to do more things well enough for less money.
I do agree with the video's assessment of its tactical application in space, that yes it probably isn't as agile as the X-wing, but it also won't be facing the same threats its predecessor did.
@TheHazelnoot To be fair, any fighter in the films and TV shows could be downed in one or two hits, so I'm not sure if they are the best references for showcasing a ship's durability, not to mention that many of the starfighters and bombers (save for the MG-100 Starfortress) appear to move at similar speeds and possess similar maneuvering characteristics as well. Y-Wings are said to be ungainly and yet we see a CW Y-Wings rolling 360 degrees in a literal second. There are just some things that can't be referenced 1:1. Also, in TLJ, the Resistance ships are said to be faster and lighter, and yet they seem to be going at the same speed as the FO ships pursuing them.
Let´s be honest, the X-Wing is the better ship, because it´s the old hero ship class, that´s why the E-Wing is "bad".
So well, can´t really argue you are wrong..or right for any matter, just have fun with different aspect of fan discussions (and the E-Wing Model looks soooo nice).
Maybe the X-Wing Engine are so small, but many, due the secret production, which could be spread out, and hidden better from imperial eyes and maybe also produced as a legal civilian class engine which later could easily modified and using 4 of them, making them viable.
An E-Wing would not have the problem, so i think it´s mostly fair to think, that the best engine design within reason (cost, planned usage etc.) was chosen.
Which leads to, if Speed is the better option, and the E-Wing is faster, then the faster speed is superior to X-Wing mabye superior maneuverability.
This could also be true for escorting, we do not know the visibility range really, but an escort does not need to fly directly besides the escortee (right word?) but could, speaking in Air Combat Term, high and above, circle the perimeter, finding targets before they come to close.
Or my favourite: Replacing X-Wing take time, how about mix them up! Close Range Escort from X-Wing, binding the enemy, and then E-Wing (and maybe some A-wing if no E-Wing is available) comes hammering down, The Bothan Hammer it will be called.
To weaponary in general, in a gun/laser heavy scenario, Y-Wing, Tie Fighter Ln, Missile Boat where the best...at or near center for the win!
I wonder if it would be possible, housing 3 Laser cannons in the nose of a starfighter, aesthetically with the star wars design language and going from there, how to deal with heat generated. If you ever run out of design challenge ideas, here is one.
Cheers!
X-Wing looks way cooler and that is the best reason it is and always will be better.
Something "looking cooler" is subjective, and subjectivity is the worst reason as to why something is better.
Looks like the Xwong is a superior fighter and the Ewing would be better ground attack.
The E-wing just isn’t as cool looking as the X-wing. Also, the E-wing makes me think of fighters from Battlestar Galactica. But even then, not as cool as those too.
It’s pronounced shasey not chasey even though it’s spelled chassis…
😂 star wars techno babble is complete nonsense, total gibberish lmfao at least star trek techno babble makes sense, not the fake weird new star trek tho