One interesting note about Grand Admiral status of Thrawn - when New Republic have received information that Empire is led by Grand Admiral, their reaction was: "A Grand Admiral? Didn't we kill them all?"
They only knew there were twelve when they learned about Thrawn because Plapatine said there could only be twelve serving at a time. But since we know how deceptive Palpatine can be, he had secretly promoted Thrawn making him the thirteenth Grand Admiral and knowledge of this were known only to a few like Mara Jade. Later on, Thrawn defeated Grand Admiral Zaarin attempted a coup against Palpatine and after that, Thrawn spent most of his time mapping the Unknown Regions. As for the fates of the Grand Admirals, the New Republic did account for all 12 of them. 11 of the twelve died at different points and one named Octavian Grant defected to the New Republic, providing key Imperial secrets in exchange for immunity from charges of war crimes. Gilad Pellaeon would later be promoted to Grand Admiral by the Moffs and would be the last Imperial to have the rank.
@@Sigma0283 Pellaeon is never named grand admiral in the the Thrawn duology. Although I guess he would have to have been at the Orinda campaign, and before the empire shrinks down to the size where it is limited to a singular admiral.
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof you’re correct, Pellaeon never became a Grand Admiral in the Thrawn Trilogy. His promotion by the Moffs happened many years after the end of the Galactic Civil War. I think he was a Grand Admiral around the time of the Yuuzan Vong invasion.
One correction. There were no survivors from the Elomin Task Force. It was specifically mentioned as "lost a whole task force out near Obroa Skai" by one of the Smugglers Han was trying to recruit and later Han and Leia refer to it as "That missing Elomin Task Force." Both of those statements imply that no one from the task force escaped.
Weeks of work for about 10 minutes! lol Well at least I learned a few things. I better get some of these models up on CG trader since making them was the bulk of the work.
Awesome work. Except... there were no survivors. Han specifically mentions a missing Elom taskforce as he and his team were leaving Tatooine. No ships returned to base and no one had found the remnants of the taskforce yet. Thrawn mentions the possibility of survivors as a reason not to bring in more ships, but as they're missing later... there were no survivors.
The channel Eckharts Ladder released a video yesterday about the TIE fighter and pointed out something that I hadn't noticed in the Original Trilogy, which is that TIEs have a pretty high rate of fire, firing 1 shot every frame in the films while X-wings fire 1 shot every two frames. Since A New Hope runs at 24 frames per second, the TIE fighter has a rate of fire of 1,440 blasts per minute while the X-Wing has a rate of fire of 720 blasts per minute. On the subject of shielding, the films don't indicate that shields are particularly effective for starfighters, with no fighter surviving more than a few direct hits before being destroyed. So a TIE fighter could kill an X-wing with less than 1 second of fire (something that the positioning of its guns would make more possible, while the more dispersed X-wing armament would find itself with a minimum engagement range to put any blasts on target. Given the TIE fighters speed, maneuverability, and firepower, as a dogfighter it is a superior craft and only exceptionally skilled X-wing pilots would be a reasonable match for it. Pilots like Luke Skywalker or Wedge Antilles. But the X-wings multi-role nature and hyperdrive make it far more attractive to the resource strapped Rebellion and New Republic, who can't afford the legions of TIE fighters that the Empire could.
Now it comes down to just how much raw damage per shot a TIE Fighter has when they shred shields like that. Also would be nice to figure out the same statistics for other TIEs.
@@NareshSinghOctagon well the color of the bolts will tell us something. Red lasers are lower powered and longer wavelengths than green ones, so that probably indicates greater power in a green weapon. But beyond that, there's very little information in cannon or legends about how powerful the weapons are.
If I remember correctly, in the book Pellaeon knows the Marg Sable a bit different, where that manoeuvre is a starfighter manoeuvre, not the ship's, as in, Thrawn added the rotation on top of the Marg Sable
Yes I think Corey's Datapad made a video on this battle mentioning that. This was the original first appearance of the maneuver and it's possible Timothy Zahn intended the ship rotation to be Thrawn's own innovative modification of the tactic. Definitely prefer it that way over Ahsoka inventing it decades earlier. Dave Filoni likely misremembered it.
Yep, the Marg Sable is an irregular and apparent chaotic turn around out of a false retreat, meant to surprise and ambush any pursuer. Probably in conjunction with a second force in the style of a Scythian ambush. The ship's realignment is wholly independent of the Marg Sable itself.
@@rcbmmines4579 Dave Filoni never cared about the EU beyond incorporating a handful of ideas that he liked. Which is more likely than not the case for having his OC invent the Marg Sable.
This chapter is one of the best parts in Star Wars overall. Pellaeon's internal monologue describing the empire in decay, the navy's opinion on the emperor, how he is an old school traditionalist. Disciplined, competent but inflexible. And then we meet Thrawn, ominous, alien, intellectual. And we get our first space battle, depicted as a puzzle. The empire is outgunned for once, the New Republic has a new ship design, and it is built to kill star destroyers. And the empire wins, because Thrawn understands art. It is a perfect retrospection, a perfect set up for the stakes and the power balance.
Resurrected Starships fans might like the Heir to the Empire animated versions by DarthAngelus. Excellent 3D quality and well voiced! For more Thrawn goodness!
Talk about timing, I've been listening to the Heir to the Empire 20th anniversary audiobook over the past week or so. Your Thrawn impression reminds me of Marc Thompson's superb narration from that particular version. Your extrapolation of how the battle probably played out helps flesh out details that the book glosses over. I like how you incorporated Assault Gunboats from the X-Wing games, and the Tie Reaper from Disney canon fits in surprisingly well. Your analysis of the X-Wing's strengths versus standard Tie Fighters is accurate, though it's worth noting that Tie Interceptors were being outfitted with shields at this point, as the Empire could no longer treat such ships as expendable.
Somehow I can't believe Ahsoka Tano of all people first created that manoeuvre of such simplicity but effective, No more likely it was a old trick from the old republic's wars thousands of years ago at least.
I don't think she created it, but she was probably one of the first people to use it as effectively as she did, since the tactic is actually very simple and is usually easily countered.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Well, it is a very simple maneuver, and the galaxy has been flying starships for thousands of years. I think we can assume that she's not the first person to come up with this idea.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if she invented it. Simply based on ship designs and the reaction to Tano's original use of it it's pretty obvious that naval doctrines in the setting were based on the idea of fighting on a plain, only changing elevation and attitude when necessary. A maneuver off the plain would likely have been unprecedented, even one as simple as this. It's also a very easy one to counter just by maneuvering off-plain as well, you can actually encircle a target very easily when they do this. If it was a commonly used maneuver beforehand, it wouldn't have worked when Tano did it.
IMHO, Heir To The Empire series should have been the sequels, not the 7,8 and 9 crap show we ended with. This series was amazing to read and really displayed Leia's training by Luke.
This was the best explanation I’ve ever heard for that classic battle. I understood what a Marg Sabl was but didn’t understand how that would change things until it was laid out here. Very nice work.
Brilliant video! I do hope we eventually get to see Thrawn in action like this in live-action, hoping adapting this very battle complete with Thrawn's analysis, tactics and a tease of his overall plan with Pellaeon by his side.
I hope we get a faithful adaptation on the trilogy in animated form. Live action would require recasting too many characters. An animated series would skirt that issue.
@@owlsayssouth Oh for sure. As a DC fan, something like the DCAMU (a series of animated movies set in the same continuity) could be perfect for adapting the old EU in general. They can even call it "Star Wars Legends". They could take inspiration from DC animated originals by making standalone ones tooor make interconnected shows like the original DCAU. Like those, they won't be affected by the other projects like films and live-action shows (and in SW cases, New canon animated ones) .
I love that scene, and I like how the Marg Sabl maneuvre was introduced into the new Canon in Star Wars: Rebels (used by the protagonists' Venator Star Destroyer to destroy a Separatist task force).
Wasn't it three wings of x-wings and not three squadrons? That would amount to around 100 starfighters for the New Republic side. Otherwise, not bad. I've been looking at the Thrawn Trilogy closely lately.
One thing I’ve always loved about the Heir to the Empire trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn duology is who calls the Alliance what. Thrawn almost exclusively calls it “The Rebellion.” He doesn’t give them the dignity of being identified as a rival nation, but a dissident movement he intends to remove. Pelleon though: he calls it the New Republic many times, as he has learned to respect them.
Thrawn had a knack for spotting and exploiting the weaknesses in various species psychology. He tailored his tactics in each engagement to target his fleets strengths against those weaknesses - so sometimes his attacks had less purely material impact but were devastating to the enemies willingness to continue to engage.
@@davebignell773 And the "weaknesses" in this case was the utter incompetence of the enemy commander and the unfounded panic by the X-wing pilot when they inevitably engaged TIEs. Literally, that specific rebel group did everything wrong themselves, and Thrawn was just lucky picking on inferior opponents.
Truth is most of the greatest commanders in history have gained many victories through opposition incompetence, It a lot more common tan people like to think. Don't worry though Thrawn does have many victories through his own skill alone and not just incompetent opponents. Most militaries have a huge chunk of their forces staffed by officers like the republic one shown here, Good at their job but very limited to just copying the book tactics and doctrines. Good officers but not very flexible, It's what makes the exceptional and out of the box thinkers even more noticeable and amazing. Not everyone can be a Thrawn, Caesar or Admiral Akbar.
Might I suggest animating the battle between the Chimera and grand admiral Saviit's fleet? It is a beautiful dance of escalations, provocations, outmanoeuvring and double bluffing.
I love how the Hand of Thrawn duology is wholly and entirely about Thrawn, the New Republic's terror at the possibility of his return, the Empire's insurrection as the supreme commander is wholly circumvented, how he actually had a whole another grand strategy in place, with a completely unexpected contingency plan. And Thrawn isn't even in the bloody books!
Thrawn is great because he’s not a mustache-twirling villain. He thought the Death Star was an obscene show of force as well as a waste of resources, lol. Also, his Command Cruiser is just an Imperial-II SD, as opposed to an SSD. Why? Maneuverability. I’m just gonna say it - the Thrawn Trilogy is better than the OT. This is because Zahn is an actual author, Lucas is an idea man (with his EP and Story By credits). Zahn took the elements of the OT and improved on everything.
Not much StarWars knowledge here sadly but my impression of him was considering that this Imperium also had a certain level of human supremacy to it, him being basically of the highest attainable ranks while not being human... he must be awesome.
One piece of information that you got incorrect about the Marg Sable Maneuver, Thrawn ordered a 20 degree port yaw rotation, which is not what you animated. What you showed was a 90 degree starboard roll rotation, like what was shown in the Clone Wars animated series. Also, I don't think Ahsoka was the person who created the Marg Sable Maneuver, but she was probably one of the first people to use it as effectively as she did, since the tactic is actually very simple and is usually easily countered.
Also, one of the biggest mistakes was the X-Wing squadron not dropping the first volley of Proton Torpedoes, either before or when their scanners picked up the Marg TIES. ISDs have poor point defense, and 72 Proton Torpedoes, even hastily fired at the triangle, would do massive damage to the shields- as well as give the TIEs a reasonable question... do they try and pick off the PTs or focus on the X-Wings?
I must say I enjoyed your Analysis of the Battle. Usually it makes the elomin Just Look dumb but your Video makes it seem Like the were using the X-wing to their Advantage (attackruns) and thrawn countered by forcing them to dogfight which is the TIE Strongpoint. Are there any Canon counters to the marg sabl? I would assume that you could Switch from attacking the Capital Ship to attacking one Side of the incomming TIEs still using the X-wing Superior shields and fire Power.
If I remember correctly, Thrawn sent out 3 TIE fighters, and when one was destroyed, he pulled the other two back and wrecked the entire enemy task force.
In Heir to the Empire, Chimera was an Imperial-II class, not an Imperial-I - you're confusing it with Disney's new canon. The origins of the Marg Sable too - it would be nice if you would clarify which elements are from the original novel and which you've brought in from the new canon.
Correction: heir to the empire takes place five years after return of the Jedi. It does take place nine years after the battle of Yavin. Also There were 3 wings ( 216 fighters) of x-wings,not three squadrons (36 fighters), that accompanied the assault frigates
@@emptyhad2571 well du they couldn't kill him off then, they need to milk the EU that was totally not canon all the characters and stories suck we want freedom to write but will just rip off legends every chance we get
Learn what? Two different ways of how not to do literally anything? None of Thrawn's tactics would actually work. Ever. But every response to them also wouldn't work. The terrible writing just railroads the events so it seems like it all shakes out in the end. It's really just an extremely subtle kind of deus ex machina. The writer makes it appear almost as if it's fated to go a certain way, and builds up Thrawn to seem like someone who can do these things, and then just does the most sloppy and stupid nonsense and forcing it to work because reasons.
One interesting note about Grand Admiral status of Thrawn - when New Republic have received information that Empire is led by Grand Admiral, their reaction was: "A Grand Admiral? Didn't we kill them all?"
They only knew there were twelve when they learned about Thrawn because Plapatine said there could only be twelve serving at a time. But since we know how deceptive Palpatine can be, he had secretly promoted Thrawn making him the thirteenth Grand Admiral and knowledge of this were known only to a few like Mara Jade. Later on, Thrawn defeated Grand Admiral Zaarin attempted a coup against Palpatine and after that, Thrawn spent most of his time mapping the Unknown Regions. As for the fates of the Grand Admirals, the New Republic did account for all 12 of them. 11 of the twelve died at different points and one named Octavian Grant defected to the New Republic, providing key Imperial secrets in exchange for immunity from charges of war crimes. Gilad Pellaeon would later be promoted to Grand Admiral by the Moffs and would be the last Imperial to have the rank.
@@Sigma0283 Pellaeon is never named grand admiral in the the Thrawn duology. Although I guess he would have to have been at the Orinda campaign, and before the empire shrinks down to the size where it is limited to a singular admiral.
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof you’re correct, Pellaeon never became a Grand Admiral in the Thrawn Trilogy. His promotion by the Moffs happened many years after the end of the Galactic Civil War. I think he was a Grand Admiral around the time of the Yuuzan Vong invasion.
One correction. There were no survivors from the Elomin Task Force. It was specifically mentioned as "lost a whole task force out near Obroa Skai" by one of the Smugglers Han was trying to recruit and later Han and Leia refer to it as "That missing Elomin Task Force."
Both of those statements imply that no one from the task force escaped.
MMhm Thank you admiral Zaarin. I hope your starfigther research is progressing on schedule.
@@resurrectedstarships the project is advancing. I'll have the beam weapon installed on all my fighters.
Zaarin for ressurected starships appearance confirmed!
"On the contrary, Captain. Not only will they fall for it, they will be *utterly* destroyed by it!"
Weeks of work for about 10 minutes! lol Well at least I learned a few things. I better get some of these models up on CG trader since making them was the bulk of the work.
Awesome work. Except... there were no survivors. Han specifically mentions a missing Elom taskforce as he and his team were leaving Tatooine. No ships returned to base and no one had found the remnants of the taskforce yet. Thrawn mentions the possibility of survivors as a reason not to bring in more ships, but as they're missing later... there were no survivors.
Yes, came here to mention the no survivors thing.
Huh for some reason I totally don't remember that - I do remember them mentioning the destroyed Elomin task force. TY for the polite correction.
Thrawn probably used his fighter superiority to disrupt the shielding fallowed by targeting the engines
The channel Eckharts Ladder released a video yesterday about the TIE fighter and pointed out something that I hadn't noticed in the Original Trilogy, which is that TIEs have a pretty high rate of fire, firing 1 shot every frame in the films while X-wings fire 1 shot every two frames. Since A New Hope runs at 24 frames per second, the TIE fighter has a rate of fire of 1,440 blasts per minute while the X-Wing has a rate of fire of 720 blasts per minute.
On the subject of shielding, the films don't indicate that shields are particularly effective for starfighters, with no fighter surviving more than a few direct hits before being destroyed. So a TIE fighter could kill an X-wing with less than 1 second of fire (something that the positioning of its guns would make more possible, while the more dispersed X-wing armament would find itself with a minimum engagement range to put any blasts on target.
Given the TIE fighters speed, maneuverability, and firepower, as a dogfighter it is a superior craft and only exceptionally skilled X-wing pilots would be a reasonable match for it. Pilots like Luke Skywalker or Wedge Antilles. But the X-wings multi-role nature and hyperdrive make it far more attractive to the resource strapped Rebellion and New Republic, who can't afford the legions of TIE fighters that the Empire could.
Now it comes down to just how much raw damage per shot a TIE Fighter has when they shred shields like that.
Also would be nice to figure out the same statistics for other TIEs.
@@NareshSinghOctagon well the color of the bolts will tell us something. Red lasers are lower powered and longer wavelengths than green ones, so that probably indicates greater power in a green weapon. But beyond that, there's very little information in cannon or legends about how powerful the weapons are.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 ,I see.
If I remember correctly, in the book Pellaeon knows the Marg Sable a bit different, where that manoeuvre is a starfighter manoeuvre, not the ship's, as in, Thrawn added the rotation on top of the Marg Sable
Yes I think Corey's Datapad made a video on this battle mentioning that. This was the original first appearance of the maneuver and it's possible Timothy Zahn intended the ship rotation to be Thrawn's own innovative modification of the tactic. Definitely prefer it that way over Ahsoka inventing it decades earlier. Dave Filoni likely misremembered it.
Yep, the Marg Sable is an irregular and apparent chaotic turn around out of a false retreat, meant to surprise and ambush any pursuer. Probably in conjunction with a second force in the style of a Scythian ambush. The ship's realignment is wholly independent of the Marg Sable itself.
@@rcbmmines4579 Dave Filoni never cared about the EU beyond incorporating a handful of ideas that he liked. Which is more likely than not the case for having his OC invent the Marg Sable.
This chapter is one of the best parts in Star Wars overall. Pellaeon's internal monologue describing the empire in decay, the navy's opinion on the emperor, how he is an old school traditionalist. Disciplined, competent but inflexible. And then we meet Thrawn, ominous, alien, intellectual. And we get our first space battle, depicted as a puzzle. The empire is outgunned for once, the New Republic has a new ship design, and it is built to kill star destroyers. And the empire wins, because Thrawn understands art.
It is a perfect retrospection, a perfect set up for the stakes and the power balance.
Resurrected Starships fans might like the Heir to the Empire animated versions by DarthAngelus. Excellent 3D quality and well voiced! For more Thrawn goodness!
Talk about timing, I've been listening to the Heir to the Empire 20th anniversary audiobook over the past week or so. Your Thrawn impression reminds me of Marc Thompson's superb narration from that particular version. Your extrapolation of how the battle probably played out helps flesh out details that the book glosses over.
I like how you incorporated Assault Gunboats from the X-Wing games, and the Tie Reaper from Disney canon fits in surprisingly well. Your analysis of the X-Wing's strengths versus standard Tie Fighters is accurate, though it's worth noting that Tie Interceptors were being outfitted with shields at this point, as the Empire could no longer treat such ships as expendable.
Marc Thompson is the voice of Thrawn and Pellaeon for me, glad to hear others are appreciating his work.
Somehow I can't believe Ahsoka Tano of all people first created that manoeuvre of such simplicity but effective, No more likely it was a old trick from the old republic's wars thousands of years ago at least.
I don't think she created it, but she was probably one of the first people to use it as effectively as she did, since the tactic is actually very simple and is usually easily countered.
@@isaac3702 Maybe.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Well, it is a very simple maneuver, and the galaxy has been flying starships for thousands of years. I think we can assume that she's not the first person to come up with this idea.
@@isaac3702 I put it down to clone wars episode writer know fully understanding what he just wrote I guess. your idea is very likely true.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if she invented it. Simply based on ship designs and the reaction to Tano's original use of it it's pretty obvious that naval doctrines in the setting were based on the idea of fighting on a plain, only changing elevation and attitude when necessary. A maneuver off the plain would likely have been unprecedented, even one as simple as this. It's also a very easy one to counter just by maneuvering off-plain as well, you can actually encircle a target very easily when they do this. If it was a commonly used maneuver beforehand, it wouldn't have worked when Tano did it.
Dude your model of the Assult Frigate is the first time I've thought that ship looked cool-
IMHO, Heir To The Empire series should have been the sequels, not the 7,8 and 9 crap show we ended with. This series was amazing to read and really displayed Leia's training by Luke.
I love that you are using the sound effects from Star Wars Rebellion. 😄
I read this book the summer it came out and I have forgotten much of it. This is rekindling my interest in it!
They are a great reread. A bit bittersweet in a meta context. But a great trilogy of books. The foundation of the EU.
@@owlsayssouth yeah I wondered if I would read them then really be bothered as to why they didn't even seem to inspire the current Disney efforts.
very artistically done, I enjoyed the mix of ships on a grid and the character illustrations
This was the best explanation I’ve ever heard for that classic battle. I understood what a Marg Sabl was but didn’t understand how that would change things until it was laid out here.
Very nice work.
great job your work is always amazing!
Love it! Heir to the Empire was my first dive into the EU as a kid and since then I reread it every year
Brilliant video! I do hope we eventually get to see Thrawn in action like this in live-action, hoping adapting this very battle complete with Thrawn's analysis, tactics and a tease of his overall plan with Pellaeon by his side.
I hope we get a faithful adaptation on the trilogy in animated form. Live action would require recasting too many characters. An animated series would skirt that issue.
@@owlsayssouth Oh for sure. As a DC fan, something like the DCAMU (a series of animated movies set in the same continuity) could be perfect for adapting the old EU in general. They can even call it "Star Wars Legends". They could take inspiration from DC animated originals by making standalone ones tooor make interconnected shows like the original DCAU. Like those, they won't be affected by the other projects like films and live-action shows (and in SW cases, New canon animated ones) .
Great analysis and visuals, nice work
I love that scene, and I like how the Marg Sabl maneuvre was introduced into the new Canon in Star Wars: Rebels (used by the protagonists' Venator Star Destroyer to destroy a Separatist task force).
So cool seeing someone actually break this down and analyze it
If the next one is like this, will certainly watch. Good job.
Grand Admiral thrawn. a very deadly and amazing Commander. I hope you do more soon!!
Ah, Heir to the Empire!
That book was a fantastic set-up for the entire trilogy of novels.
Another awesome Star Wars segment from you sir. Thanks for continuing to produce things that are this high quality
Good job. Great video as always.
Decades after its release, I can finally now understand just what Thrawn did in this maneuver. Thank you!
What a fantastic video! 😁 Always great seeing Heir to the Empire getting some love. Can't wait for more battle breakdowns!
GJ. Well animated. You do these so well.
Wasn't it three wings of x-wings and not three squadrons? That would amount to around 100 starfighters for the New Republic side. Otherwise, not bad. I've been looking at the Thrawn Trilogy closely lately.
Awesome animations, very clean. Super informative video keep it up!
Another great video! Thanks for the hard work!
One thing I’ve always loved about the Heir to the Empire trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn duology is who calls the Alliance what.
Thrawn almost exclusively calls it “The Rebellion.” He doesn’t give them the dignity of being identified as a rival nation, but a dissident movement he intends to remove. Pelleon though: he calls it the New Republic many times, as he has learned to respect them.
I love this, it's like the old Enterprise or Patton 360 tv shows.
This was awesome!
I'm new to this channel, but I would love to see more of these tactical videos of yours.
we need more videos like this
excellent work man, well done.
Thrawn the legend
Great work! This look awesome
loved it. Need more videos like this
I love this channel it is the channel for my want for spaceships and sci-fi and narration
Like these battle breakdowns like you used to do!
That was some great work definitely worth the wait. I shall wait with great anticipation of the next part good luck and may the force be with you.
So Thrawn's brilliance relied on his opponents being utterly incompetent.
Thrawn had a knack for spotting and exploiting the weaknesses in various species psychology.
He tailored his tactics in each engagement to target his fleets strengths against those weaknesses - so sometimes his attacks had less purely material impact but were devastating to the enemies willingness to continue to engage.
@@davebignell773 And the "weaknesses" in this case was the utter incompetence of the enemy commander and the unfounded panic by the X-wing pilot when they inevitably engaged TIEs. Literally, that specific rebel group did everything wrong themselves, and Thrawn was just lucky picking on inferior opponents.
@@suzumiyaharuhi3438 "weakness" in this case is psychological vulnerability when encountered with something unexpected.
Truth is most of the greatest commanders in history have gained many victories through opposition incompetence, It a lot more common tan people like to think. Don't worry though Thrawn does have many victories through his own skill alone and not just incompetent opponents.
Most militaries have a huge chunk of their forces staffed by officers like the republic one shown here, Good at their job but very limited to just copying the book tactics and doctrines. Good officers but not very flexible, It's what makes the exceptional and out of the box thinkers even more noticeable and amazing. Not everyone can be a Thrawn, Caesar or Admiral Akbar.
Very well done
can you do grand admiral zaarin as well?
Zaarin was one of the few who could match thrawn and he won a few battle against thrawn.
Wow, that was awesome
Thank you for this loved those books
I really enjoyed this video
Fantastic video definitely earned a sub
Might I suggest animating the battle between the Chimera and grand admiral Saviit's fleet? It is a beautiful dance of escalations, provocations, outmanoeuvring and double bluffing.
I love how the Hand of Thrawn duology is wholly and entirely about Thrawn, the New Republic's terror at the possibility of his return, the Empire's insurrection as the supreme commander is wholly circumvented, how he actually had a whole another grand strategy in place, with a completely unexpected contingency plan. And Thrawn isn't even in the bloody books!
I liked the Ace Combat Sort of inteo
Thrawn is great because he’s not a mustache-twirling villain. He thought the Death Star was an obscene show of force as well as a waste of resources, lol. Also, his Command Cruiser is just an Imperial-II SD, as opposed to an SSD. Why? Maneuverability.
I’m just gonna say it - the Thrawn Trilogy is better than the OT. This is because Zahn is an actual author, Lucas is an idea man (with his EP and Story By credits). Zahn took the elements of the OT and improved on everything.
love it.
That is a great trilogy.
Very nice
Not much StarWars knowledge here sadly but my impression of him was considering that this Imperium also had a certain level of human supremacy to it, him being basically of the highest attainable ranks while not being human... he must be awesome.
One piece of information that you got incorrect about the Marg Sable Maneuver, Thrawn ordered a 20 degree port yaw rotation, which is not what you animated. What you showed was a 90 degree starboard roll rotation, like what was shown in the Clone Wars animated series.
Also, I don't think Ahsoka was the person who created the Marg Sable Maneuver, but she was probably one of the first people to use it as effectively as she did, since the tactic is actually very simple and is usually easily countered.
Also, one of the biggest mistakes was the X-Wing squadron not dropping the first volley of Proton Torpedoes, either before or when their scanners picked up the Marg TIES. ISDs have poor point defense, and 72 Proton Torpedoes, even hastily fired at the triangle, would do massive damage to the shields- as well as give the TIEs a reasonable question... do they try and pick off the PTs or focus on the X-Wings?
I must say I enjoyed your Analysis of the Battle. Usually it makes the elomin Just Look dumb but your Video makes it seem Like the were using the X-wing to their Advantage (attackruns) and thrawn countered by forcing them to dogfight which is the TIE Strongpoint. Are there any Canon counters to the marg sabl? I would assume that you could Switch from attacking the Capital Ship to attacking one Side of the incomming TIEs still using the X-wing Superior shields and fire Power.
If I remember correctly, Thrawn sent out 3 TIE fighters, and when one was destroyed, he pulled the other two back and wrecked the entire enemy task force.
"when you understand that species art, you understand that species"
> hypothetical sci fi earth with near peer tech, and thrawn in a room of r34
Thrawn was a tactical genius. Just imagine if he had sided with the Rebel Alliance.
More importantly he was a strategic genius. He was a complete leader.
A shame we didn't get more of tyber Zann who seem to a challenge to Thrawn if not an equal.
In Heir to the Empire, Chimera was an Imperial-II class, not an Imperial-I - you're confusing it with Disney's new canon. The origins of the Marg Sable too - it would be nice if you would clarify which elements are from the original novel and which you've brought in from the new canon.
Correction: heir to the empire takes place five years after return of the Jedi. It does take place nine years after the battle of Yavin.
Also There were 3 wings (
216 fighters) of x-wings,not three squadrons (36 fighters), that accompanied the assault frigates
One thing it was 3 wings of x wings, meaning it was probably in the 100s
X wings are slower than ties. Not less maneuverable
The comic book version might have helped although I think they used a wings instead of X wings
I was gonna say that was ashokas technique
It was multiple "wings" btw not squadrons xo
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why not the first incounter from the new better canon :D
his fight in the new books are even better
That's a matter of opinion.
Timothy the Tooth. “Zahn” means “tooth” in German.
EU is so much more in-depth. Disney needs to stop trampling on Star Wars.
sad his character was reduced to being killed off by space whales
They were intelligent and he didn’t die
Dave Filoni confirm that he didn’t die a long time ago.
@@emptyhad2571 well du they couldn't kill him off then, they need to milk the EU that was totally not canon all the characters and stories suck we want freedom to write but will just rip off legends every chance we get
Learn what? Two different ways of how not to do literally anything? None of Thrawn's tactics would actually work. Ever. But every response to them also wouldn't work. The terrible writing just railroads the events so it seems like it all shakes out in the end. It's really just an extremely subtle kind of deus ex machina. The writer makes it appear almost as if it's fated to go a certain way, and builds up Thrawn to seem like someone who can do these things, and then just does the most sloppy and stupid nonsense and forcing it to work because reasons.