MORE EFFICIENT POWER! Steel or less Sour Gas Boiler Experiment Blueprint. Oxygen Not Included
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2020
- An updated and more efficient design of a sour gas boiler that uses lower temperature materials. We now have a use for Sulfur in the Spaced Out Oxygen Not Included DLC. However, currently, I am limited to steel as my high-temperature material. So just how effective is it to make a Sour Gas Boiler from lower-tier materials? For much more about Sour Gas Boilers and other free energy tricks here is a playlist: • Free Energy Petroleum,...
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Brothgar: *makes complex sulfur machine*
Keli: *adds sulfur geyser*
Reminds me of the dirt/sand converters, and then adding the recipe with the rock crusher
at least this thing is producing electricity, and water alongside it, so its not completely useless
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I've done that "one tile off" in survival play. Built a space base, forgot the wash basins in the bathrooms. Sooooo much deconstructing drywall and walls just to place it again, Priority Pleasing to not lose the oxygen.
I really love this idea of making generally late game machines using the cheapest/earliest game materials possible. I wonder what else you could come up with that usually needs materials like thermium and super coolant using only steel and earlier materials?
Do regolith melters need space materials like thermium and steel? That would be interesting to see.
Brothgar, you are the savior of my dupes
Great video as always 😁
Suggestion: cut the video to parts, so you can upload more!
?? But then what would I upload :P
I tried to tame a sulfur geyser by letting the sulfur spill onto diamond tiles cooled by radiant liquid pipes running ethanol (target temperature of -100 degrees) but the single aquatuner I had running the loop didn't seem to be able to remove more heat than the geyser could add, so it eventually went wrong
That's where I'm stuck. I tried taming the sulfur geysers a few different ways, but nothing seems to work. help! lol
Ethanol has pretty terrible SHC. Why did you want to cool it down to -100?
"Copy of Copy of Copy" says the spreadsheet 😂
For someone who works on shared spreadsheets all day, that makes me anxious.
yeah I made him a "copy" emoji for the discord a while back.
Title: Steel or less
Insulated tiles: Insulation
Double up ceramic and you will be fine. The eventual heat death of the universe will kill you before the heat bleed from the system.
Did i miss something? you seem to be upset. 8:24 and on some other points i check after reading your coment. it says ceramic, soo a Kiln and some clay prety erly game stuff and easy to get. I dont get your point.
Now that sulfur is a thing, I wonder how well you could survive in your previous play where dupes have super fart. With let's say, not atomic bomb fart but still some of it. Could be fun to redo that when you have the time :)
would love to see you build huge builds in game now that we can dedicate entire planets to industry.
I love the „copy of copy of copy of copy of copy of Oxygen not Included“ spreadsheets
By the way, Klei patched telescopes in rockets.
They now update their position when the rocket moves.
Copy of Copy of Copy^30
And I thought my files were bad.
Awesome work again!
Could you pump sulphur in liquid form into hydroponic tiles with grub fruits?
Brothgar any chance / value in a waterless oxygen generation plan inspired by your oasis (one boosted with grub grubs). Curious to see how many dupes you can keep on the 3rd asteroid without having to import oxygen.
Instead of putting doors under reservoirs to block incoming piping, could I use a pipe bridge into a shut-off to 'shunt'?
Im just not a fan of the doors under buildings look but love the mechanics of what's happening.
do you have a vid of a dep guide of dbug mode?
\o/ love your videos man o/
I just ran out of sulfer, cycle 300. Meh, I've got bristle blossoms and a room packed full of grub bugs.
Just going to try out the sour boiler idea you showed. Then I'll restart I guess
Why not just delete the unwanted pockets of gas with the sandbox tool? Am I missing something? That aside, very very cool.
Looking at this system with the notches to caprure the natural Gass, What would happen in on the "cooler Side" the bottom half dropped a couple of tile and enlarge the Sour gas channel by one tile. Keep a 3 tile high path at the entry and expand it to 4 tile to allow the gas mechanics to route the Natural gass to a gas Pump. That gas line meets up with the other natural gas lines.
Maybe add 2 thermal regulators to the end. so that the methane stays liquid for the mini pumps
Hey I never really messed with lava. Can you actually collect that much lava and keep it from solidifying?
I remember back before super coolant people would use liquid oxygen through aqua tuners for more cooling. Would that work better than hydrogen in this setup? You would need another transfer section since liquid oxygen would be colder than you need for methane. The heat capacity is only 1.01 but you are moving a lot more though it.
I too have been thinking about this since the last video.
For safety, simplicity and probably also energy efficiency I would go with Regulators and hydrogen.
Pros:
1 aquatuner takes up less space than 4 regulators
Liquid Reservoir takes up less space than a Gas Reservoir and also stores a lot more
1 pipe packet of liquid oxygen can hold 10.1 kDTU/C (1.01 (DTU/g)/C * 10 kg) instead of just 2.4 kDTU (2.4 (DTU/g)/C * 1 kg) for 1 pipe of hydrogen. Haninge a larger capacity for transferring more DTUs per tick.
1 Aquatuner removes more DTUs per tick than 4 Regulators. 141.4 kDTU/tick (14 C * 1.01 (DTU/g)/C * 10 kg) for liquid oxygen compared to 134.4 kDTU/tick (4*14 C * 2.4 (DTU/g)/C * 1 kg) for hydrogen.
Cons:
1 Aquatuner is more expensive to run than 4 Regulators. 1200 W for 141.4 kDTU which is ~8.49 W/kDTU. Regulators remove 134.4 kDTU at the cost of 960 W (4 * 240 W) which is ~7.14 W/kDTU.
Liquid oxygen has a temperature range of ~36 C. The lower 14 you might not be able to use due to risk of pipe damage, leaving 22 C. 1 packet thus has a total capacity of 222.2 kDTU (22 C * 1.01 (DTU/g)/C * 10 kg) before pipe breakage which is enough to transfer 117 C from 1 kg of sour gas ( 222.2 kDTU / 1.898 (DTU/g)/C ). This might be good enough but it’s strictly harder than hydrogen for which you do not have to care about pipes breaking.
You would also need the Regulator setup to create the first batch of liquid oxygen. Thus taking up more space and also forcing you to use more of your own life to create another system apart from the actual system you’re interested in.
I've condensed methane from 1kg/s sour gas with only 3 thermo regulators. There's a video on UA-cam doing it with 4. It gets down to 3 if you also use the sulfur to cool the sour gas. I ended up with 80C sulfur and natural gas.
Hi brothgar. can i ask you? I have a problem with v440000 version. When i add more mod to my current map im working on it, it crash, not force close but "something problem with your mod". When i see the list IM not seeing any mod have auto uncheck with oni system' repair. i solve this problem when i uncheck all my new mod. But when i start new world and activate all mod (including new mod) it work fine. I don't know what happens. Thanks and Merry Christmas..
When we will see self docking rocket?
What if, instead of magma, you used Kilns to provide the input DTU?
I wish mods were still possible so that I could put the sulfur geyser in without it turning off achievements. Do you know if the geyser has a chance of spawning if I haven't been to the planetoid (thinking the third one that needs a rocket)?
I don't thin it will be there.
if you was to be stacking those thermal regulators and then coming in the bottom one and each one above it cools it further that would keep the counter flow thing going in the heat exchange, the bottom ones stay the hottest point of that part of the system which will make it fire up faster and keep that steam at temperature. 3 high by 3 wide should make it as efficient as possible, you was rarely firing up the last one anyway
brothgar, you should build a vertical stack, and run your regulators in parallel, instead of a chain. if used in a gearhead gaming arrangement, you can reduce the regulator use down to 4.
My only question is how cold can Brothgar get an area?
Nice videos Brothgar. I designed a boiler that can process 1000g/s of sour gas with approx 4.5kW power profit. Just a little steel and ceramic is needed to build it, the rest is cheap stuff. It uses very little heat because most of it is recycled infinitely. I call it "Bionic boiler" because I stole the idea from Crane's blood vessel heat exchange system :)
I can send you the save file to show it if you want.
I hate the neutronium tiles to generate underneath volcanoes. The only good thing is allowing us to find them, but it is easy with a location of characteristic pattern of granite and obsidian tiles to find hidden volcanoes. You are in sandbox mode, pause the game and use destroy on those tiles to get rid of them.
Hey Brothgar, nice tune up of the sour gas boiler. But this was tested under 100% heat stress. on a landing pad you would cycle the heat on periodically. will this change your result? no matter how you look at it the machine is more efficient. But how does that work in real game scenario? Looking forward to see you build it!
Only one way to find out :)
you are the best
i set up something close to this in survival but having solar sort of ruins the power generation game, and as you pointed out, one volcano thrashes our tiny boilers
But can you use the thermoregulators to help heat up the crude oil? The machine wouldn't be self powering, true, but it'd probably require less of a heat intake.
There's more than enough heat in the sour gas to preheat the crude oil as the specific heat capacity goes up with the transition.
you could save a little power just turning on the autosweeper for 30 seconds a cycle, that way it does a fair load at once not constantly active, moving the output from the steam generator might make it a little more efficient, you are cooling down the main heat input this way no?
why you dont use the element overlay? makes is much easier to see gases when you have those issues. the 4th item on the overlay menu and click gases to make it way easier..
I'll try to remember that next time.
put a delay timer on the auto sweeper, save some power. have it transport more at once less often
Klei itself watch brotghar to see what crazy things that he has build and fix Bugs
If this the V1 with "Basis" ores
I wonder what V2 is like
Woo!
you should add a door compressor to increase presser
Dumping chill from your natural gas directly into your preheating element is definitely causing inefficiency. You should add a few tiles further into the sour gas chute to heat up that natural gas instead of your preheating element.
Gas cooler was very inefficient comparing to aqua. Something has changed? Why not aqua cooler?
22:25 If you're running the natural gas through the start of the system where crude oil is heated into sour gas, aren't you just stealing heat? Its going to take longer and take more heat to push that oil into sour gas if you're cooling the start like that. I think the natural gas pipe should absorb that heat a little bit higher up. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I've never attempted something like this myself.
Maybe. If I used metal tiles on the other side it might have an effect. Hard to say for sure.
i prefer the sour gas boiler = more power and feels like i accomplished something :D
The natural gas problem would likely go away if your hydrogen cooling on each branch started with one metal tile each under the pumps. The problem is you have a little heating at the pumps that turns some of it back into gas. If the liquid methane landed on a cold plate instead it wouldn't get that chance to reheat. (This would also be one spot where the two hydrogen loops could even out with each other). Hope I explained that well enough. It's hard to do without pictures.
When in sandbox mode type in vacuum and you can just delete the oxygen
Now with extra power
double regulators, double your input pressure, double the amount of sulfur you get. although, i suppose getting sulfur this way is kinda pointless now.
you could daisy chain doors to "push" the gas around. if you didn't want to have insane gas pressures, this would also give a more stable temp gradient.
far more complex though.... =/
I also noticed that my gas pipe is pumping 1kg amount of gas too when I tried to pump CO2 out, weird...
It's weird. It seems to come and go. I don't know what sets it off.
the new policy to don't make a vacuum beforehand, is working so bad XD
Edit : so if you want produce more sulfur you will need take more heat from your source so can lets that vent open for more time , because that is the factor that is slow you down right now
Adding smart batteries will increase efficiency
You wanna add WATER to sulfur?
Ookay, just don't drop any iron into it.
... I mean, you kind of don't absolutely NEED to check the first Regulator if you're cooling Hydrogen... wouldn't you want to check BEFORE the second and onwards, though?
It can be hard to plan a compact design sometimes some things are lost by focusing a little too hard on other things.
8:23
hello fellow pan
I found a geyser of liquid sulfur on the planetoid
shout out to jeb generator
I see you flashed my liquid methane cooler but moved on :D
Thanks for sharing :)
I'm not sure why, but I never expected Sulfur could naturally occur as a liquid
volcanoes produce sulfur irl. i would imagine that it is common.
Isn't it more sulfur compounds than pure sulfur itself? (Honestly no idea. Just not used to the idea of pure sulfur)
@@skybear.1525 i think sulfur is mined on one of the pacific islands in its natural form.
@@skybear.1525 I’m not sure I definitely know sulfur compounds are more common, I think what is found in volcanos is Sulfur crystals
horay
Why didn't you just start in a vacuum??????
This is not at all more efficient. It is like just using some turbines to cool the sour gas and not heat up the oil, see a huge bump on energy generated and say it is more eficient.
To be more efficient you want most of the energy from the sour gas being used to heat the oil.
I think the reason is that the natural gas heat is not being deleted but transfered to the water vapor on the chamber.
The power used (1300 kj) stayed the same, but the power generated increased (250 increased to 600 kj).
I know he likes meep the most . He made a resort for him so he wouldn't stress out❤️😀😂.
:-)
Your in sandbox use fill vacuum in the sandbox options
I think he was trying to sort out how he would do it in his normal game without having to pump down to a vacuum. Its easy to forget about those kind of details when your in sandbox mode and paint yourself in a corner when the time comes to do it for real.
@@Kezat ya but the point is to figure out the process then you build it for real you use pumps to vacuum the whole space before you start the fact he was so far into the process with all the gasses it just would have been faster and your doing it in sandbox to make testing easy use the option it gives.
Dude, I have just been chalking it up to being new to UA-cam, but you need to work on your editing skills. You have a lot of overlaps where you say the same thing over and over. Love your content, just trying to make it better.
personally i like the glimpse into what youtubers do behind the scenes
Not sure what more I can do. I only have time for 1 editing pass and I'm doing that at 1.5x speed. Sometimes things slip through. Just to be clear, you don't see that 100x I do cut out a repeat ;P . I also can't afford to slow down as that ends up costing me more.
Copy of Copy of Copy of ^30
first comment third viewer and first like
And it’s already edited
@@walterg3254 i 4got to say first like
@BrothgarThanks