MAGIC SULFUR! Steel or less Sour Gas Boiler Experiment. Oxygen Not Included
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2020
- We now have a use for Sulfur in the Spaced Out Oxygen Not Included DLC. However, currently, I am limited to steel as my high-temperature material. So just how effective is it to make a Sour Gas Boiler from lower-tier materials? For much more about Sour Gas Boilers and other free energy tricks here is a playlist: • Free Energy Petroleum,...
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Brothgar: Lets make sulfur!
Klei: "Added a new Liquid Sulfur Geyser"
Did they actually?
@@theral056 yep
@@spicybaguette7706 awesome!
Seriously?! i have been racking my brain on how to make sulfur without super-coolant and they just add a sulfur geyser?!
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Here I thought ONI was just another sci-fi sims game with tech advancement, I’ve come to realize it is a full blown industrial engineering deep dive survival course!
The funniest part -- it was designed as sci-fi sims, but the community decided to play it differently.
18:53 "and here we see the wild steam turbine, heatus deletus, in its natural habitat"
I built a system like this that melted drecko plastic and converted it to natural gas and it produced tons of power... but it was BIG. The heat exchanger required to make it efficient was huge.
Brothgar should do a research livestream
The return of the king.
Whenever I hear you say your intro it brings me a little spark of joy
He did the pavlov on us.
Update with terra and liquid sulfur geysers!!!
Yeah, that update dropped right as I was rendering my video. >_> I don't yet know the quantities on that geyser.
@@brothgar sour. Good exercise though.
@@brothgar The Hydrogen cooling was a good experiment as we often skip that piece of equipment in favour of the liquid one.
@@brothgar Well, if it's coming out as a liquid, you need to cool it down to make it usable. So combine the two!
Instead of counter-flowing the sulfur through this system to cool down the gas, build the whole system next to a sulfur volcano and drop the sulfer from this system onto the volcano to help cool that system down and have it all usable.
I love these experiments, something so complicated is made so simple, with the help of some smooth, long-running commentary. Learned something new today with your help, and as always, thank you for that!
Dude the idea of using gas to cool everything down is so cool. and seems a lot cleaner than what i do. i have been using long things of water. But i have if anything too much hydrogen cause my entire base basically just gets its oxygen from the abundance of water i have now.
Hey, Brothgar, at 20:17, you could add pressure pads and a buffer gate to detect sufficient masses of sulfur debris beneath the pump, and use that to automate the auto sweeper. Efficiency!
The problem there is it can drop in one of 2 tiles. You can put pressure plates under both sides, but then when the sweeper activates, you can't control which side it's going to pull from.
@@sybrwookie Put the signal from each tile into an AND gate, activate the sweeper only when BOTH tiles report enough material.
If you are looking for efficiency, you could make a huge counterflow cooler so that the actual cooling only needs to do a fee degrees. In the video, he didn't even get the sour gas below 0c.
keep up the great videos (: your content reinspired my love for ONI
These are my favorite kind of videos from Brothgar. :) I like the deep dive into the details.
Glad you enjoyed!
Nice and thanks. I made some boilers back before steel existed. But that was a long time ago. I need a refresher.
Whoa.. yeah, I need all of that goodness. Awesome video!
I was wondering why no video yesterday: Experiment time!
Great Video! Missed this kind of Inspiration. Curious when it will be combined with the Rockets :P Keep on making FREE ENERGY!
Sweet i still haven't made a boiler like this but i do intend to do this one day!
Great man
I really like your video even though it's not uploud every day
Don't push yourself too much bro, keep it going
I appreciate that
Great episode!
i love this stuff! =D
Glad you enjoy it!
I did this a will back its worked in the end just took a will. Used different materials at different temperatures. My hydrogen loop kept on going. Swapped out liquid in the aqwautuner to the last temp point. Was a cool experiment.
Brilliant !
“Copy of Copy of Copy^30 Oxygen Not Included”
In loving this work
Yay! More science!
Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, A channel where you can ACTUALLY enjoy making a full blown RESEARCH. hahahaha
31:25 A Copy fo A Copy fo A Copy fo A Copy fo A Copy...
You are Home. You remind us, Happy.
Brothgar, a couple of things to mention:
1. You should use the regulators in parallel instead of daisy chained. You can run just fine with 4 regulators per kg of crude. Gearhead gaming made simpler versions a year or so back.
2. If scaled up enough, the sulfur could be used to produce more water and dirt through grubs. I don’t know how much mud is required to run an electrolyzer though.
Have you thought about feeding the CO2 rocket's exhaust to slicksters? Maybe it could make even more oil for your sour gas boiler?
my friend, you should try this again, making it a bit bigger and using aquatuner with ethanol to lower the sour gas to -100 or so and than put it into the hydrogen cooler.
That will help you convert a bigger quantity
Just when they added a Liquid Sulfur geyser XD
Best way to like this video is while the ad is playing :)
i built a rocket silo where i dripped petroleum into a dish under the exhaust to make sour gas. watching it emit this conical plume of purple gas each launch was cool. it would settle between layers of co2 and o2 which naturally build up around a petrol/oxy rocket.
Hello. Great job man. I am loving your work. Can you share this map to explore a bit more. Many of us enjoy watching this complecated builds but also want to understand more.
oof that took sum time thanks 4 uploading i have been clicking the home button 4 quite sum time
same as stairs in petroleum boiler. insulation helps to stop inter exchange in counter-flow and build up gradient.
3 points: first of all, in your energy balance you should factor in the opportunity loss of not burning directly the petroleum. Second, you should give the sulfur only to the plants and to the sweetle, and use the sucrose to feed the grubgrub; third, you had some natural gas loose in the boiler, which hampered the sour gas flow and heat exchange.
I feel like the natural gas loose with the sour gas is inevitable due to ramping up the machine. As the sour gas is cooling some of it heats back up once it converts to liquid. This could be fixed by adding a filter system inside with a steel gas pump to remove the natural gas until the system stabilizes. But otherwise it is what it is.
@@atomicdynamite1937 i think that nat gas was helping the system by adding a choke point for sour gas flow. kept the cold bars cold & gave hotter side more time to bleed heat into top chamber.
that bit would've driven me nuts, suck it out & filter. IF that increases flow too much, put a metal tile in it's place to restrict flow and exchange heat with ceiling.
edit: the amount of nat gas that evaporates & reaches top of chamber during startup could be minimized by restricting sour gas flow @ startup. hot sourgas overwhelmed his coldbars, so they couldn't recondense that nat gas & it rose up past them.
Ha, I got here before the discord notification
Discord?
Are you ok Brothgar? You sound like you are sick. Love the vids tho!
And turns out we're not getting sulphur geysers. Good thing a sour gas boiler is useful for other things too.
New update, there are volcanoes in the barren biome now. You can stick with petrol boiler and eat those slicksters
Run the natural gas through the divider tile to grab more of the heat into the natural gas generators, then the natural gas generators can run hotter. I typically try to gear the natural gas generators to run as close to 180~200 degrees Celsius if possible. This helps avoid the need for cleaning the water (which I think you are doing), but that natural gas can be used to help flash that into steam. (Also, you didn't mention it, but you could get the heat off of a metal refinery... which is cool as well.)
how does he have so many subs but like, no likes or views compared to that, its sad because this content is fantastic
Very nice and simple build, I will steal a lot of it :)
If you add a bit of automation to open the door quicker it will be more efficient. The toggle times of the sensors are to slow for this thermal gradient. Alternativly add more mass to the hot side or make thermal transfer slower.
2 thumbs up if that was possible.
I've missed these mad scientist stream of consciousness videos :)
Love watching these designs take shape. Have you seen Comet Gaming's series where he super-optimizes designs like this?
I have not heard of him. Thanks for letting me know :)
Nice video, but since you are thinking out of the box, why not go all the way? :)
We are just removing heat from something hot, and trying to be as efficient as possible...
Ok, so you want to preheat the petroleum to as close as possible, so:
split it into as many pipes as you want the flow to be, make em radiant and limit them to 1kg each... you can go as far as the phase change, no probs there...
depending on the temp your petroleum is, you are left with Sour gas of 100 - 200°C
counterflow your methane/natural gas to it...but heres the deal, once in that sweet spot of 100 to 0°C, you can use an aquatuner with water in it. So, for extra credits, you split your natural gas counterflow into 200°C to 100°C, use water to cool it from 100°C to 0°C, and then the lower part of natural gas/methane counterflow... and in the end the hydrogen...you want your sour gas to be as close to -180°C as possible just before it hits the hydrogen cooled bit... skip using natural gas counterflow in free flow and use methane in packets of 1Kg in liquid pipes for the whole counterflow perhaps?
The liquid pump produces 2 kDTU/s when running regardless of the packet size. Rather than run continuously consider attaching to the timer sensor.
At 9:30 I got a commercial for “Hello Hydrogen”.
Thanks for the video, The update seems to change the game play style to muti smallish / remote bases, which really changes what a sustainable base is, after all a few dupes worth of food, via sulphur means that other resources ie water can be put to other crops or o2, appears oni will be smaller more compact "worlds" which is a shame as i loved the mega builds, where the industrial sana's are larger then the current starting world, as for sour gas boilers The best compact design for a sour gas boiler i've seen was "@UCk6C1z_ErW4XssWUdDSfV7Q"'s in his Baby Base ep 16, which fit a space of about 6x20 (with a hydrogen geyser in the middle ) and processed about 1kg/s, granted it used top teir mats but made use of the 1 block space to heat and cool effectively, as for the heating the sulphur as the wights are so small even on a timer why not just leave the sulphur for a moment in a pile wait for the boiler to stabilise then find the metal block that hits the right temp range ie say 30ish then simply route the shipping though that the larger block mass would likly not even notice the heat loss due to lack of mass of the sulphur compared to it's self. anyway i look forward to what is next in the dlc, and what madness you get up to with it.
My brain hurts!!! But that was great info.
Ooooh brothgars cuts. Lol
Instead of a timer for the loader, you could just have weight plates for the sulfur. They'll only be activated by the debris not the fluids or gases.
im a podcast editor, and i understand those uncut thingies in the beginning... feel ya
Put the sulfur on top a metal tile that is on top of of a metal automatic door set to be closed if temperature is lower than 20°C. Similar set as lava door, but to heat Up your sulfur to the perfect temperature.
you can obtain niobium from the superconductive asteroid, so not all the late game materials are unobtainable.(but isoresin and fullerene don't exist in spaced-out)
I wonder what Klei has in mind for the sulphur renewability, because I doubt they are going to "lock" it behind condensing sour gas
Also, you should take a look at the new plants. If I am not wrong, the cactus one turns poluted water into clean water and the Saturn critter trap eats critters to produce something
Oh and great video!
Saturn trap makes hydrogen apparently. I'm more interested in the animations.... and meeps unfortunate unavoidable accident
If he made the petroleum counterblow with the sour gas it would be a whole lot more efficient.
Not sure if you have tried it yet but the sugar engine produces over a 1000 degrees. Could use the heat from that maybe. Range is terrible though even with an oxidiser tank.
Last time I looked it was over 3000!
Yay
Seems to me you can just do a 1 gas cooler system with a bypass much like the standard liquid cooler system with a loop. Takes longer to stabilize at the desired temperature I guess.
Well i normally tame volcanoes with perfect control very early game, all i need is plastic and steel. Simply build a transit tube in a room with a air pump then use that to vacume seal a volcanoe, make the floor into metal with -1 block elevation of the volcanoe (so it drips down lava on the metal) and then make use of the vacume door (featured in this video) to control heat transfer, i normally have that heat placed into a steam chamber. But how i measure the temperature of lava hot enough to melt thermometers? I don't, i measure the heat in the steam chamber instead. Anyhow my point is, this can be used to make a sour gas boiler, and a thermo nullifier runs cold enough to turn it into sulfur. Normally i tame volcanoes for resources, but it's possible to run electricity positive while cooling the materials to room temperature. After all the hot matter is 18x hotter than the thermal difference between room temps and steam turbines minimum input and if you use a dual steam chamber turbine to siphon cold steam you can cool down matter to 105 degree instead of 125 with ease, giving you a added 16% cooling efficiency.
hey brothgar.
don´t forgot whit the sulfur that you can feed the sweetle and grub grubs 1 kg per 9 cycle that they dye.
just be sure that the dupe or the automation can´t reach the feeder til the cycle is complete whit a timer and some doors. there are some sample of it for the paccu´s
something that could be done with this is using a conveyor shutoff and a timer or something like that to guarantee the packet size of the sulfur, might give it enough of a buffer for it to not melt
Edit: you went a bit over it, but assaulting it from the wrong side it seems
I just realized super coolant can function at within a couple degrees of absolute zero... neat...
so what you're saying is... you can get rocket fuel from pretty much nothing?
O.O
Yes, but that's not all :D
I guess but sugar is worse fuel than co2
You can get rocket fuel from duplicant waste if I'm not mistaken.
Meep! Buddy, ı am so HUNGRY!
Yeah, a flowchart!
Also, to increase the efficiency, you could replace on the cold side the pimp with a plastic pump and put a weight plate at the bottom instead of a timer for the arm. That way, you could run it only when you have a 20kg package of sulfur to move around. It would also heat up slower on the rails if you carry more at once.
Could probably get a bit more power out if it if your first cooling step was to run the sour gas next to a steam room
first step (while sour gas is hottest) should be to pre-heat the incoming petroleum/oil to reduce heat drawn from magma (no need to use that stockpile of thermal energy so fast)
a steam chamber cooling the sour gas down to about 150-200 would be a good 2nd stage if locations allow
There is niobium in a planet.. you showed it in the preview... 😁
O.o Yeah about that...
I know I'm late to the party and I haven't been able to read all the comments, but when you were playing with the solid sulfur heat exchange, I was wondering, why jump all the way to running it through metal tiles, why not run it through the most reactive stone tile instead? You are mostly just trying to heat the sulfur up and get a little cooling of the gas, but it doesn't have to be a super fast exchange.
21:17 liquid flow tile to let the liquid back in to freeze again?
You could use a thermal coupler to pull heat from the sour gas into the little chamber in the middle and then run sulfur through there to get it to a temperature you want it at
Also would liquid oxygen work better for the cooling since you could use aquatuners and 10kg packets? It would be a bit delicate to get it running at first but it could work
LoX would not work, too close to boiling point, and too low capacity
on the topic of doing science, have you done the "Not 0k, but pretty cool" achieve before?
any particular suggestions for a quick and effective setup, or maybe u might feel like doing a guide for it one day? i am assuming it needs space materials, though maybe not?
idk if it's interesting enough- just a thought :)
use hydrogen gas cooling loop to cool oxygen gas into liquid oxygen. then cool liquid oxygen in aquatuner. space materials (supercoolant) are more power efficient, but steel can do it fine.
@@PyrokineticFire1 i opened up a late game save where i had a liquid hydrogen generator set up, and tried turning the temperature way down, but the aquatuner won't cool supercoolant below 272.1 degrees celcius, which is short of the mark by a few degrees.. like it just flows in a circle back to the aquatuner because it's not cold enough, but the aquatuner doesn't have any further effect
@@PyrokineticFire1 oh i just realised super coolant freezes at that temp so it can't cool anything to 0 kelvin >.<
*edit: reloaded a save and it just gave it to me. good enough! XD
I swear this game's harder than college
I wonder what returns of oil can occur if the slicksters ate that CO2 to loop into a petroleum boiler to make a full circle cycle...
Have you noticed a bug with liquid shutoffs before valves. I had one before a valve in my petroleum boiler in the base game and was noticing it would send through the right flow but every few tiles I'd have a packet that was far less then the requested amount. Like requesting 9500g and getting it mostly. But every 4th packet would be like 3000g
I have not noticed that.
Skipping a tile had a big effect on the top. I wonder what would happen to the sides where you have the hydrogen cooling...
It’s a shame that you can get into situations where you can’t feed your critters until later in the game (like, say, running out of sulfur before you find a renewable source for it like this). And you can’t store eggs indefinitely. I know this would be a lot to ask of the devs, but can you imagine a cryogenic station for critters or eggs? In case you get to the point of the game where The Lean Times Are Upon Us but you’re running out of critters of a species being on the map.
that packet(s) of nature gas bouncing around top of sour gas chamber limits the sour gas flow left to right (depending on it's position).
that might be in issue in recreating this experiment.
choke points tend to limit flow and benefit the cold bars' thermal stability if my understanding is correct.
Mixed gases are usually not something you want. I feel like the gasses in this case self clear, and if not are as easy as turning down the flow for a bit as it will naturally pull a vacuum.
How would you build this in survival though...
Run the cooling for a while without actually putting in heat to liquefy the gases inside for mopping?
I have never actually built a sour gass boiler since i thought that it is too much work and that I did not really need it.
Time to learn how to do it. Are the old videos still good?
Did you know that sulfur gas sinks in sour gas? Could you use this to pull the sour gas through the system faster?
If plant growth speed is increased, does the plant consume the same amount of resources per cycle?
If you melt a natural sulfur deposits and then and freeze it in small packets, would that increase the efficiency(since you don't mine it) and yield meaningful amounts?
Hmmm quite possibly :)
What would happen if you added another mechanized airlock heat exchanger, to heat up the output pile of sulfur to room temp? Would that precise enough to get it close to room temp?
That's a fun idea and it might just work.
0:30 lol
Can you get liquid hydrogen instead to run aqua tuners for higher throughput? You can turn it liquid with the thrrmoregulators I figure, and then you have what, 10x the cooling power?
I think it's too cold.
@@brothgar admittedly I'm not sure I understand the problem, but I'm no engineer ^^ I was just thinking it gets much higher throughput in the same space. Either way, I really loved this video, those in depth machine building is absolutely awesome. Looking forward to the next one ;)
condense oxygen to use it in the aqua tuner.
Why are you boiling petroleum instead of crude oil?
Didn't you say the conversion is one to one?
Feels like a pointless middle step.
A good build regardless.
Try to find the magma asteroid
Can i play mod while in early access?
Yaaaaaa but now their is a molten sulphur volcano
Just wondering why you just use helium because it get even colder than hydrogen because I don’t know which temperature is cold so I look up it turn out the helium is much cold at -270 Celsius on hydrogen temperature is -253 Celsius.
SHC of helium is quite low so you don't get much work out of your 240w
there's helium in the game :o
why play with the timer? just use a weight plate
they have removed it ?
weight plate + buffer
otherwise the arm turns off and drops the sulfur as soon as it's picked up, right?
@@PyrokineticFire1 yes 2 weight plate set as 100kg (even less then that is ok) , a buffer , and you will be sure to send out a full package and be active only when needed
32:11 when i do sandbox mode, i can't instantly dig tiles with my cursor like that. what am i doing wrong? (i've been unable to find an answer through searches, so i'd really appreciate some help.)
I just messed arround in sandbox mode to find the new Sulfur geyser and was litterally asking myself the same question, would love an answer too ^^.
i THINK it's debug mode.
Now infuse meep with sulfer
Funny how your basically eating Sulfur which is highly toxic lol.
Would love to see this setup as an entire colony sized project (fill the entire map) and then you ship everything net positive back to the main base in rockets.
Not sure how you could transport things like power though, unless you do it through heat or something.
can u make this in ur spaced out base
I should be able to.