Why camcorders are shaped that way

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  • @LongLongHoneymoon
    @LongLongHoneymoon 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm glad someone out there is touting the benefits of camcorders. This is a great niche. Many (if not most) people who get interchangeable lens cameras would be better served by a good camcorder.

  • @mK_Dx
    @mK_Dx 11 місяців тому +34

    I can appreciate the integration of 3d renders into the videos, even if its just for few seconds. It kinda goes under the radar the little nuggets of effort that goes into these videos.

  • @RaffyTaphy
    @RaffyTaphy 11 місяців тому +4

    This channel is such a gift. Currently working through your audio videos. Thank you for everything!

  • @xjet
    @xjet 11 місяців тому +3

    Camcorders for the win!

  • @ShinyTechThings
    @ShinyTechThings 11 місяців тому +19

    Very interesting on the lens mechanics. I always wondered this but never looked into this.

  • @ourmundo
    @ourmundo 11 місяців тому +4

    Camcorders are amazing and fun to use. You helped me appreciate it so much more!

  • @chriscutress1702
    @chriscutress1702 11 місяців тому +1

    A great explanation of what happens inside a camcorder and why they're shaped the way they are. As always an education. Thx

  • @MileyonDisney
    @MileyonDisney 11 місяців тому +12

    Thanks for the cool info. I've always preferred a camcorder for video.

  • @ryobiman
    @ryobiman 11 місяців тому +1

    Enjoy your videos they are always informative!

  • @johnsaucerhunter
    @johnsaucerhunter 11 місяців тому +3

    Now if we only knew of a quick and easy DIY fix for us Zoom Lense owners to clean those particulates out Mr. Markus, then that would really be something. Have been enjoying your camcorder series of tips and tricks and I tip my hat to you Sir for all the fine information.

  • @HoundDogMech
    @HoundDogMech 11 місяців тому +1

    The Best CamCorder I ever Owned was my Canon XL-1 and the Lens was all external. too bad there wasn't a Digital Add on to replace the MiniDV Tape.

  • @simonatterbury
    @simonatterbury 11 місяців тому +1

    LOVE Camcorders, for HD B Roll, still have a thousand year old Panasonic SD900. Pretty much the same as the AG-AC8EJ which was more client friendly as was bigger and more external bells and whistles but no different in terms of quality. Filmed the last ever Shuttle launch in Florida on an SD 900. Not only great video (shame about the low cloud base) but flipping awesome on camera audio.

  • @kmoecub
    @kmoecub 11 місяців тому

    I recently came across your Chanel after dusting off a Kodak model 35 and buying a roll of film (I had been searching for a user manual because I had bought it at an estate sale, and hadn't used a film camera in a long time). I switched to digital in the late 90's after my Canon AE-1P was stolen, and have been using a Canon G10 since 2009. I really like how you present, and how straightforward you are about the pluses and minuses of the cameras that you review.

  • @lungsofironofficial
    @lungsofironofficial 11 місяців тому +1

    I love camcorders! I used Panasonic camcorders on the first three Enchanter videos. I also shoot in 1080p! Thank you for what you do.

  • @dennis1954
    @dennis1954 11 місяців тому +2

    I stumbled on another MarkusPix video the other day while searching for iPhone 15 stuff and glad I did. Immediately subscribed and watched a few other MarkusPix info packed creations. I’m definitely rethinking my opinion on buying a camcorder. Many Thanks!

  • @DougFresh
    @DougFresh 11 місяців тому +1

    Never looked at it that way... great!! ..always learning

  • @gabithemagyar
    @gabithemagyar 11 місяців тому +2

    Camcorders also typically do not overheat as easily as ILC-s, have great ergonomics for video, have superior stabilization and are more compact when it comes to the zoom range. They did not used to be great at taking photos but perhaps that has changed in recent years ? Camcorders are great for filming outside events or events in good light.

  • @EKAdventures51
    @EKAdventures51 11 місяців тому +2

    I love my Sony 405, best camcorder for a hike, bike ride, travelling, fast opening, good stabilization

    • @mySeaPrince_
      @mySeaPrince_ 11 місяців тому +1

      Have you found the second battery compartment...
      405 club😻

  • @gordon3988
    @gordon3988 11 місяців тому +1

    “Have you ever wondered why camcorders are shaped the way they are? Of course you have.” Followed by an chuckle and a😊 Not a day goes by without me wondering this! Nicely done!

  • @LikeTV
    @LikeTV 11 місяців тому +5

    Markus, I'm wondering why they don't make camcorders with a full frame sensor?

    • @LikeTV
      @LikeTV 11 місяців тому

      By the way, I record my videos on a Panasonic HC-VXF 990. But it has a 1/2.3'' matrix. I tried to shoot shots with a candle in the dark with it and of course I got a lot of noise.

    • @leifsoederberg
      @leifsoederberg 11 місяців тому +1

      The real answer is probably just a lack of demand for something like that. It would have to be MUCH larger in order to get anywhere near the zoom range that the smaller ones do.
      My guess is companies figure that most people wanting to buy a camera that big, heavy, and expensive would probably also want interchangeable lenses, and would then opt for a cinema camera.
      I’m with you though. I would love a larger sensor camcorder. Even an apsc or Micro 4/3 sensor would be awesome. Unfortunately, camcorders just don’t have the demand they used to. Most prosumers/youtubers are used to using the photo bodies now. Camera companies are already struggling to stay afloat, as people have shifted to using their phones. So, they probably wouldn’t be willing to take the risk. 😢

    • @ebinrock
      @ebinrock 11 місяців тому +1

      Physics and cost. Best compromise is probably going to be your pro or semi-pro 1-inch camcorder, which can still get nice bokeh under the right conditions (distance, zoom, etc.) and some can even shoot 10-bit 4:2:2 and log for cinematic quality (Canon and Panasonic have such models). And you can still get up to 20x zoom ratio in those 1-inch camcorders.

    • @WalkaboutClient
      @WalkaboutClient 11 місяців тому

      Sony did for a while with the NEX VG900

    • @LikeTV
      @LikeTV 11 місяців тому

      @@WalkaboutClient That's interesting! I looked everywhere, but for some reason I didn’t come across it anywhere. Thanks!

  • @TRwalks
    @TRwalks 11 місяців тому +2

    I have a Panasonic vx1 and v180. I use them for travel wildlife. One time I almost had to pay extra for my carry-on bag being overweight with a 150mm - 600mm lens. I also use them as a second camera for my UA-cam. I like to get closeup b-role of cool far away stuff. I appreciate the work you do with your videos. Thanks.

    • @productreviewstv812
      @productreviewstv812 11 місяців тому +1

      Consider adding the JJC remote control so you can zoom without handling the camera.
      I've reviewed it on my channel.

  • @bluenoser1567
    @bluenoser1567 11 місяців тому +1

    Great topic as I look over at my Sony Handicam that I haven't used in about five years and sits collecting that dasterly dust. Well, I guess I should use it without hesitation now that I know it is just a beautiful big sealed lens that is just waiting for me to use. Super video but the audio seemed a little other worldly to me .... Cheers Markus

  • @ModMax69
    @ModMax69 11 місяців тому +1

    I really liked this video, Markus. Thank you for sharing it and I always look forward to the next!

  • @VinaVC
    @VinaVC 11 місяців тому

    Markus, I chanced upon your post researching new mini-broadcast studio equipment for our international team. You are definitely the "go-to PRO" when it comes to the tools we need for anything a/v related. I join the others who appreciate your considerate, valuable and highly informative tutorial. Bravo!

  • @PaulLaTorresPhotography
    @PaulLaTorresPhotography 11 місяців тому +2

    I always learn stuff from you. Thanks.

  • @businessexcellenceeu4631
    @businessexcellenceeu4631 11 місяців тому

    There are also historical reasons for the design. The design of the camera dates back to the days of film cassettes, and later film tapes, and the mechanics were attached to the side. This was the benchmark for the form factor that is now ingrained in the DNA of every filmmaker. Today, the space inside is perfect for monster lenses.

  • @SceneOfAction
    @SceneOfAction 11 місяців тому

    I love you Markus. You really make us all think about the beauty of what we have and how to appreciate it!

  • @SianaGearz
    @SianaGearz 11 місяців тому +1

    There have been also a number of pocket compact cameras which have a zoom lens without external moving parts, arranged as a periscope lens. The front element is a mirror prism and is fixed, sensor is fixed, several moving elements in between. A lot of lens bulk in extending lens cameras is only there to bulk up and secure the mechanism, and they have none of that. The high degree of symmetry in periscope lenses also makes for excellent chromatic compensation. Underwater pocket compacts by Nikon and Pentax use this construction today, and there used to be several more brands with those.
    Some of these similar design principles apply to camcorder lenses, just higher optical power and no folds.

  • @bugsythetwin3022
    @bugsythetwin3022 11 місяців тому +1

    I look up to you so much, I am not raw food or anything, but how you say you build things in master level time and the way you speak about art, thank you for doing this and please don’t stop you have inspired me to stop hiding and show the world my art thank you so much for doing UA-cam when you do not have to. 100% my favorite artist to listen to on UA-cam. Please don’t quit

  • @findJLF
    @findJLF 11 місяців тому +1

    I actually had wondered why!! Love your content Marcus.

  • @DirtyDovi
    @DirtyDovi 11 місяців тому +1

    Great breakdown Markus!
    And thanks for the 'reminder'! . . . [I have a zoom-lens that I have to tear down and rebuild]
    *Maybe I'll finally take that task on this or next week. It'll be nice to get 1 back in action. 👍

  • @Localtraveler2376
    @Localtraveler2376 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video. I had never thought of that.

  • @drglencoleman
    @drglencoleman 11 місяців тому +1

    Helpful. Thank you!

  • @krzysztofg2145
    @krzysztofg2145 11 місяців тому +1

    Whaaaaat ?! :D Nobody ever told me that! I didn't expect camcoders to be such brilliant engineering devices. Thanks for valuable information.

  • @Fotznerwin27
    @Fotznerwin27 11 місяців тому

    My 1999 Sony DCR-PC100 looks quite a bit different I thought. But now that you said it, it's actually round at the lens part. The whole tape compartment takes quite some space below that lens mechanism but it's essentially just like modern camcorders. Just a lens with a tape compartment down there.

  • @craigw.scribner6490
    @craigw.scribner6490 11 місяців тому +1

    Great explanation--thanks, Markus!

  • @davidmac42
    @davidmac42 11 місяців тому +1

    Cool video Markus- never knew that but makes total sense!

  • @astroimagers
    @astroimagers 11 місяців тому

    Markus's wisdom on videography is like Scotty Kilmer of cars. That's a compliment. Subscribed!

    • @MarkusPix
      @MarkusPix  11 місяців тому +1

      He's quite a character! Maybe I'll wave my hands but Im not wearing sunglasses 😄

  • @TheChefBlog
    @TheChefBlog 11 місяців тому +1

    Very cool Markus!!! Just when I think I got it down knowledge wise, I watch one of your videos and I realize I don't know anything. LOL Thanks again.
    🙌🤙

  • @H.pylori
    @H.pylori 11 місяців тому

    Never thought about the reason, but makes sense. I have seen videos on the dust issues with the pocket camera zoom lenses. Thank you. One learns something new everyday.

  • @Thwumpus
    @Thwumpus 11 місяців тому +1

    Cool! I never really thought of it that way. It makes me wonder if i should have gotten internal zooming lenses.

  • @haroon420
    @haroon420 11 місяців тому +2

    Wow!! I really thought you were gonna bring out a vhs camcorder and say design is a legacy of those cameras.
    Learnt something new today 😊😊😊😊

  • @TomuCow
    @TomuCow 11 місяців тому +3

    Hi Markus just wanna say i love whenever you talk about camcorders. I just wish the camara industry shared your passion as we barely get any these days :( And i am scared they are next on the hit list like the compact.

    • @michaelbell75
      @michaelbell75 11 місяців тому

      It's sales based, no one really buys camcorders anymore, why would they? They have tiny 1/2.3" sensors smaller than modern smartphones and they are way overpriced. I like my VX981 but it was $800. For $800, you can get an APS-C camera with a WAY larger sensor that shoots higher quality video, especially if you go used. You can also get a great M43 setup for less than $800 and still get a significantly larger sensor. To get people buying camcorders again, it would take something like one with a 1 inch sensor that shoots 4K60 for like $500, which won't ever happen.

    • @TomuCow
      @TomuCow 11 місяців тому

      @@michaelbell75 sensor size does not always mean better video quality. no apsc camera i have used beats any of my panasonic camcorders for video quality unless it is in lower light situation. not to mention the lack of image stabilisation on most apsc which makes them useless for video imo.

    • @michaelbell75
      @michaelbell75 11 місяців тому

      @@TomuCowtrue but I have a Panasonic VX981, an FZ50 and an FZ200. I’ve also owned several Panasonic M43 cameras, so I am very familiar with their products. The 981 only shoots at 72mbps in 4k30 which is not great quality. Meanwhile, my Canon R50 that was $150 cheaper with a significantly larger sensor shoots 4k30 at 170mbps and the video is significantly better quality. Not to mention the optics on mirrorless lenses is much better than on camcorder lenses. So those are just a few reasons camcorders have died out. Mirrorless cameras are quite superior for video in every way.

    • @TomuCow
      @TomuCow 11 місяців тому +1

      @@michaelbell75 I guess it can be just personal preference for me the wobbly unstable look of mirrorless camaras just instantly kills it for me... If you could recommend a mirroless camara with stabilization of a typical camcorder then i might even consider buying it.

  • @ebinrock
    @ebinrock 11 місяців тому

    I would actually love to see more companies make camcorders like JVC's ProHD line, where it's shoulder-mount and interchangeable tactle lens, but much smaller and easier to handle than an old Betacam.

  • @MikeNovelli
    @MikeNovelli 11 місяців тому +4

    3:19 I don't know if you want to make that hand gesture while talking about such manly extensions.... 🤣

  • @FacesOfLA
    @FacesOfLA 11 місяців тому +2

    Would love to see you do some reviews on hi 8 or DV camcorders. Maybe even using Panasonic HPX 170

    • @cb2000a
      @cb2000a 11 місяців тому +1

      Like the Canon XL-1. Canon made some great Hi-8 and DV camcorders.

  • @OpenAirOutdoors
    @OpenAirOutdoors 11 місяців тому +1

    I love my Panasonic Camcorder, and I have a question! What is the best mic for it? As you know the mic has to supply its own power, I have trouble getting top notch audio! (outdoor content)
    Thanks
    Marc

  • @Weider63
    @Weider63 11 місяців тому

    Great explanation Markus! I really enjoy learning something new from your videos! What do you think about Nikon ZF and Leica cameras?

  • @SMGJohn
    @SMGJohn 11 місяців тому +1

    I think its safe to say a lot of us do miss the camcorder, its just superior to shooting video with.
    I do remember there was so many weird early digital cameras that tried so many weird shapes, the one I liked the most but just cannot remember the name of was shaped like a square box, but the lens was at the long end side, so they stuck the lens on the longest part of the body and had the sensor sit in a L shape allowing for maximum space utilisation in such a tiny camera, why cannot we have compact cameras like that anymore??

  • @MikesManCave
    @MikesManCave 11 місяців тому +1

    Now that makes sense, I have that Sony Camcorder, they are great. Also explains why the battery is hanging off the back, I was wondering why Sony did that.

  • @marianozisa
    @marianozisa 11 місяців тому +1

    semplice ma non lo sapevo, grazie - simple but I didn't know that, thanks

  • @holycrapghosttv
    @holycrapghosttv 11 місяців тому

    I do appreciate your information Iam sticking with camera recorders. Thanks Markus 👍 😉

  • @JimHassey
    @JimHassey 11 місяців тому

    Another great video. Thank you. 👍

  • @DeithW
    @DeithW 11 місяців тому +1

    You're completely right, but I find it strange to illustrate the point with the weather-sealed RX10 IV :)

    • @MarkusPix
      @MarkusPix  11 місяців тому +1

      It still pulls dust in when the lens retracts

  • @BillDubeVariety
    @BillDubeVariety 11 місяців тому +1

    Manly manner... ROFL Great video... Love my Canon Camcorders... Yep dust and hair on my other lenses too... Bought used... Love your lens cleaning video too.... Thank you. Sealed and ready for the world is great. TY

  • @agentbey
    @agentbey 11 місяців тому +3

    Ready to learn something new.

  • @ryobiman
    @ryobiman 11 місяців тому +1

    You should make a camcorder & camera video for private investigators. Low light and night time video is always a challenge.

  • @jeremymolinari6597
    @jeremymolinari6597 11 місяців тому

    I watched this ready to hear the obvious, what a pleasant surprise! Really fascinating, thank you for posting!

  • @draxxicek
    @draxxicek 11 місяців тому +1

    Camcorders have more sensible and modern design, because they were made entirely as a new product. Unlike digital cameras, which are still for some reason mimicking the shape which historically evolved to accomodate for a film reel to go horizontally from one side to another and to have a prism above it. The film reel is long gone and so is the prism with the mirrorless cameras, but they still retain the basic shape, which I find extremely funny.

    • @mySeaPrince_
      @mySeaPrince_ 11 місяців тому +2

      And when being used by the newspaper press make loud electronic click noises...

  • @fiveable
    @fiveable 11 місяців тому +4

    They go "eennnh ennh enh enh enh enh"! 😂

  • @te369amo
    @te369amo 11 місяців тому +1

    And the biggest advantage of the camcorder is a silent zoom, most of the cameras for photos make some noise, when you zoom in or zoom out.😀

  • @Elvis_Pond5
    @Elvis_Pond5 11 місяців тому +1

    Many professional photographers own that Sony RX10M4 📸
    (FUN CAMERA!)
    Sample images from that camera seen at DPReview are some of the best images seen from any other camera made.

  • @Jones5121
    @Jones5121 11 місяців тому

    not to mention all the little gears and guiding slots inside most compact camera lenses

  • @DelCampoProductions.
    @DelCampoProductions. 11 місяців тому +1

    Great quality!

  • @OtakBolong
    @OtakBolong 7 місяців тому

    It's cool markus, to see someone so passionate about something!

  • @rmika9229
    @rmika9229 Місяць тому

    @MarkusPix do you have any recommendations for a camcorder good for music concert? Affordable

  • @davefink2326
    @davefink2326 11 місяців тому +1

    The first consumer video cameras were shaped that way because they used zoom lenses borrowed from 8 mm movie cameras that had been around for a couple decades.

  • @WorldMoneyWins
    @WorldMoneyWins 11 місяців тому +1

    Really interesting Markus! I never really thought about camcorders much as I assumed they were old-technology.
    Maybe I need to look more into them. Right now I make my videos with a Samsung NX-MINI.
    Now I need to go back and re-watch your favorite camcorder video. :-)

  • @Eugene-X.Periman
    @Eugene-X.Periman 11 місяців тому +1

    My Panasonic HC-V260 is not a camcorder, but a tiny telescope with video recording features (50x optic zoom)

  • @ChristopherThomasVillano
    @ChristopherThomasVillano 11 місяців тому +1

    How come it took me 53 years to hear this

  • @Twobarpsi
    @Twobarpsi 11 місяців тому

    Very interesting! I never thought of that before. Makes perfect sense.

  • @borderlands6606
    @borderlands6606 11 місяців тому

    Every fixed lens camera I've ever used including camcorders, gets dust on the sensor sooner or later. The most ergonomic shape IMO, was the Sanyo Xacti.

  • @ShinyTechThings
    @ShinyTechThings 11 місяців тому +2

    Sony made a E-mount camera without a screen thats similar, i don't remember the model number and its still kind of expensive. You use your phone to see the image.🤔

  • @mohammadyasirkhan2709
    @mohammadyasirkhan2709 11 місяців тому +1

    Thts informative

  • @ggeimer
    @ggeimer 11 місяців тому

    Do you know of any camcorders that can be operated with your left hand for someone without a right hand?

  • @isaiahbradwell8942
    @isaiahbradwell8942 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank You!!!😄

  • @davidbethke5701
    @davidbethke5701 11 місяців тому +2

    Dusty Pecker is a Lens Wrecker

  • @VoleShow
    @VoleShow 11 місяців тому

    And camcorder lenses are parfocal, meaning they maintain focus throughout the zoom range. So you can zoom in, focus and then Zoom out to set your shot without the focus changing. This is possible because of the smaller sensor. Most large sensor cameras don’t come with parfocal zoom lenses as these are very expensive, cheapest new zoom lens start at $1500. The better large sensor parfocal zooms are usually over $5000 for 4x, 10x approaches $15,000.

  • @ChristopherThomasVillano
    @ChristopherThomasVillano 11 місяців тому +1

    ❤❤❤❤ I never knew that that is so cool. Thank you for sharing that.❤❤❤❤❤ I love ❤️ ya brother

  • @apeel2008
    @apeel2008 11 місяців тому

    I noticed that you held the camcorder from underneath and held it waist high. I have been holding it wrong. I tend yo hold mine from the top and hold it up a bit higher. Is it fair to say that the way you held it will offer greater stability?

  • @Jwitherow1964
    @Jwitherow1964 11 місяців тому +1

    Yahoo your right I like cam reorder more now,

  • @tonyglasstv2685
    @tonyglasstv2685 11 місяців тому

    HI Markus from the UK lovin your channel. Any chance you could do a review of the wonderful Panasonic SD900 range of camcorders circa 2011, ebay for about $150. I have the Osmo pocket 2 as well as 2 of the SD 900's, with their LEICA Dicomar Lenses and 3 CCd's the picture quality wipes the floor with the Pocket 2. The Panasonic is so much more cinematic and easy on the eye. Image quality? Nothing that some post production sharpening can't solve. Tony G

  • @NickAndTech
    @NickAndTech 11 місяців тому

    Does it make sense to wipe down or clean the extended camera lens periodically?

    • @MarkusPix
      @MarkusPix  11 місяців тому

      Every chance you get.

  • @ReparadorAficionado
    @ReparadorAficionado 11 місяців тому

    And the other thing about those camcorder lenses is that they are optimized for video (focus and zoom are smoother, for example, lenses don´t dance while doing the focusing or zooming), while on photo cams the lenses are optimized for photo, (they don´t care much about the video stable zoom or focus).

  • @d4fredffw
    @d4fredffw 11 місяців тому

    Markus you are the man

  • @spudwas
    @spudwas 11 місяців тому

    Wow.....I never thought about that!

  • @HeresMo
    @HeresMo 11 місяців тому

    I literally just pulled my old camcorders and wanted to start using them again, then I saw this video, don't know if it has anything to do with me searching for batteries or if it was just your channel that came up in my feed, either way this was an interesting lesson. Thanks Markus!

    • @MarkusPix
      @MarkusPix  11 місяців тому +1

      Alexa is watching you 😉

  • @michaelbell75
    @michaelbell75 11 місяців тому

    Yep. This is one reason I really like my Panasonic FZ50. It has a lens that doesnt extend and it has a real zoom and focus ring. I really that the power zoom toggles because zooming is never smooth and its just a terrible experience. They need to bring back those designs with the non extending lenses and zoom rings. It just feels much more organic and its smoother. I'll gladly sacrifice the 150mm on the tele end if need be.

  • @360.O.A.Videos
    @360.O.A.Videos 11 місяців тому

    Inlove camcorders too dear friend ! ☀️☀️

  • @kaenocator
    @kaenocator 10 місяців тому

    Love your doings

  • @ROBOTRIX_eu
    @ROBOTRIX_eu 11 місяців тому +1

  • @ADAtrips
    @ADAtrips 11 місяців тому

    Good teacher , Thanks 🌴🌴Aloha

  • @LEARNINGCHORDS
    @LEARNINGCHORDS 11 місяців тому +1

    I love my 6 year old camcorders from panasonic....

    • @sdrtcacgnrjrc
      @sdrtcacgnrjrc 11 місяців тому +1

      What model/s are they?

    • @LEARNINGCHORDS
      @LEARNINGCHORDS 11 місяців тому

      he just posted a video on camcorders...@@sdrtcacgnrjrc

  • @taqx
    @taqx 11 місяців тому

    Thank you!!you are the best!!sir!!!

  • @radiozelaza
    @radiozelaza 11 місяців тому

    dust became the death of my LX10, when the dust spots became too apparent on photos and videos with no way of removing them even at fully opened aperture :/

  • @GB-AK
    @GB-AK 11 місяців тому +1

    Good to know.

  • @photobyTaps
    @photobyTaps 11 місяців тому

    Thank you. I'm planning to get the 8 oz 720p Samsung F90

  • @johnserious706
    @johnserious706 11 місяців тому

    I like the new mic, sounds great and you don't have to tape it to your chest.

  • @juhaaavalaakso455
    @juhaaavalaakso455 11 місяців тому +1

    And you can put protector in front of the camcorder.

  • @AbDaniel21
    @AbDaniel21 11 місяців тому

    super cool !