How F1 Sound Is Made
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- How F1 Sound is made. Formula One cars do sound very special (the V8's, V10's and V12's). But there is some 'trick' behind that screaming Formula 1 exhaust sound, that nobody seems to know about.
But thanks to the supporters of www.maisteers-exhaust-sound-resear.ch - You will find out about it too. - Авто та транспорт
Hello mr maisteer. I was wondering, everyone always says how an 8 to 1 or 12 to 1 or whatever to 1 is the best way to sound good. But you have talked about how the collector creates a change in area and a sudden change in pressure and therefore a scavenging pressure wave back to the cylinder. If im not wrong this is pretty much how the step in the primary works. So would it be better to have a 12 to 6 to 3 to 1 or a 8 to 4 to 2 to 1 to create more pressure waves like the step? Would multiple steps make the tone more "harmonious" how does the size of the step affect the sound...
These videos are great. I come hoping for answers and just end up with more questions ❤
Best question ever. I think nobody really understood that concept until now. I think most still don't.
Stepped headers are nothing new. I've read in Graham Bell's book "Four-stroke Performance Tuning" (page 288) about stepped headers almost 20 years ago - he described how big they should be and where to place them - for power.
In Honda's "Technical Review 2009 - F1 Special" - they also mention the benefits of stepped headers: "At 17500 rpm, a gain of 4 - 8 kW was realized as compared to an exhaust without steps." They are not shy explaining the power benefits of stepped headers.
But in no book or paper did I ever read : "Oh, by the way - stepped headers really change the sound." - engineers just don't care, and nobody else did seem to notice.
Without understanding that - it's impossible to come up with a logical theory that could explain the sound of cars like the Zonda and the "all-into-1" headers at the same time. They seemingly have not much in common. On top of that, the "all-into-one" headers seemed to be a bit of a hit and a miss if they get to sound like that.
It was also a bit of a stretch to come up with an explanation why F1 cars did sound the way they did. That the rpm is the "main reason" sounds logical at first, but when you hear that a V8 powered F1 car from before 1998 revving to 14,000rpm doesn't "scream" at all, while a later V8 powered F1 car at low rpm casually rolling by sounds way more savage - the rpm explanation becomes very questionable.
"So would it be better to have a 12-to-6-to-3-to-1 or a 8-to-4-to-2-to-1 to create more pressure waves like the step?" - The next logical questions I have are: What happens when you combine these headers with the steps? How will more steps influence the sound? How big should the steps be? What role does the pipe length in between the steps/collectors play? (From my observation this seems to be critical - but not in the way I expected. It's more like: it works or not - without much nuance - like a on/off switch).
But I can't answer them yet. That's what I need the support from "maisteers-exhaust-sound-resear.ch" for. So maybe next time I can...
I think you are a genius for coming up with that. I have no idea if it would improve the sound but it seems logical to me👍
@@maisteer I find it fascinating that this info is not as common as one would think, after all these decades and all the people that enjoy engine noise, I'm definitely getting the best sounding motorcycle exhaust one could make on a future bike
Wonder if you could sleeve the pipes to vary the internal diameter without changing the external diameter
@@nbtmx1 Unnecessarily difficult to do. Just cut the pipe, and weld in a section with a slightly larger diameter. ez.
Well, guess my miata is getting stepped headers
Now that you have promised, you have to make a Video on it for youtube...
Right on .. imma try a idea of it on my turbo miata , so we shall hopefully share beautiful harmonious exhaust sounds with each other my miata brother .. peace and love fam , keep it rad , stay safe , and build on
@@fabiom7078 seconded lol
@@mastercricket7626 A turbo throws around the pressure waves and changes the sound completely. I'm guessing it won't work at all
It may work, but I would expect it to be limited in sound. Both Miata and Maisteer use a 4 cylinder engine, but the engine Maisteer uses is a motorcycle engine and the exhaust pipe is short compared to the standard length found in the Miata.
Dude really came and cracked the code, then shared it. Absolute G
He is a god damned legend 🫡
it only took a few years but he didnt hesitate to try
@@CaptainRedBeardarrr Nah, you are a C# at most.
The code was always around if you're mechanically inclined.
My v12 single turbo miata is gonna sound sick now.
I am joking, but this is cool to know❤
Car guys: “I’m not ready yet to share the paint code I used…”
Maisteer: “I’ll tell you everything!”
Exactly 😂😂
Thanks for the clickbait thumbnail, if not for it I would've missed this legendary video.
Same xD
Me three😅
Me🗣️Tuah💦
Haha, yes!
What a man, spends years trying to figure it out and just shares it
@@Professor-Scientist so you are a shit proffesor :)))
Legit, what a champ
A true Renaissance man
Maisteer should've came to me 9 years ago. I would've told him the secret. My banshee with DMC 916 exhausts sounds the same as an F1 because of the shape 😂
ua-cam.com/video/40b79b6ltkY/v-deo.htmlsi=u37eA7pWgh63KnUY
you are bout to begin a revolution in NA custom headers. Thank you maisteer
Is that a freaking 4 cylinder at the end of the video?! Good lord this changes everthing, miata track days are about to sound glorious
yeah a suzuki gsxr moto engine, crotch rockets bout to be even louder 😆
Yep but a miata dont rev at 15000 rpm blud💀
@@Future-king-of-the-pirates engine swap blud
@@rozi5129Just in the research part of building a motorbike powered drag car/kart, Probably a CBR600rr and this video just sorted the exhaust part of the planning!
Bro is just open source. Sending big hug for that
search for the pdf named F1-SP2e_all , a lot of stuff from that era of F1 is kinda open source now.
I JUST NOTICED THAT EVEN NASCAR USES STEPS TO THIS DAY! It's not the boom tubes that so many truck guys love to put on their vehicles, ITS THE STEPS! NOT THE BOOM TUBES, ITS THE STEPS! SOMEONE TELL THE BOOM TUBE GUYS THIS
the boom tubes definitely have a part in it
@@tiagobelo4965 Ok, I was wrong, but STILL, they clearly aren't going to get anywhere near the same sound without the steps. That's how I always felt whenever I saw boom tube truck videos, It felt like it simply didn't sound right at all.
WHAT?
@@SoylentGamertrucks shouldn’t sound at all like an F1, it’s just not right.
@@Vanilla_Smoke_ But these guys are trying to get the authentic NASCAR sound, and the authentic NASCAR sound means stepped headers, because that's what they use.
Edit: 05.07.2024 - Because the concept was explained only very briefly in the video - I wrote up a more detailed explanation of my current understanding of the topic and send it out to all the supporters of www.maisteers-exhaust-sound-resear.ch . There are quite a few things I don't fully understand yet. And a few more I'm curious about if they work. That's what the research fund is for - to answer these questions. But I can't do it without your support. Thank you.
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In 7 minutes you've probably learned more about exhausts than in the last couple of years combined. I'd like to keep it that way.
If you'd like that too, consider supporting maisteers-exhaust-sound-resear.ch
Endless gratitude for @trackdayclassics and his 8-into-1 Mustang ua-cam.com/video/dKVRBFLDwsU/v-deo.htmlsi=ODcYQFwC4j3Lj60c
and especially for the fabricator of his 8-into-1 header (he wanted to remain unnamed) - without talking to him, I might not have figured that out. I hope I can pay him back someday for all of his support.
And many thanks for all the supporters of the exhaust research. Without you I wouldn't be able to test the theories I'm thinking of - so no progress would be made. Thanks again.
How come the garage sasaki or ferrari f1 or 812 headers achieve the sound without the steps? Are you sure its not just a powerband thing?
Thank you. Your search for the music of exhaust notes and my quest to make my dad's lawnmower less abusive when I cut the grass have just crossed paths.
@maisteer You need to look into Brilliant Exhaust and Sasaki-san's fabrication of the Mercedes M120 V12's exhausts he does. You probably are aware of it but seems like someone who shares your passion
Never mind; I see you're well aware of it looking at your other videos. I'll watch your other videos... looking for the right setup for my V10 M6 6-speed
Bravo Maisteer! Such an interesting subject, glad you found the secret.
You have just unleashed what will probably make some of the best YT screaming exhaust project cars ever 😂 Massive props for this! Hopefully some amazing machines come from this.
that four cylinder sounds absolutely bonkers, and i cant wait for when your v12 recieves the same treatment with stepped headers. all your research is paying off, thank you for your incredible work and best of luck! us engine lovers are here for you maisteer, every step of the way. godspeed!
the madlad did it
Someone needs to get this info to Bugatti.
V16 Bugatti?
This sort of sound a V16 would be wiild
They already know... if a random guy can figure it out in his backyard the best engineers in the world at VW can figure it out too.
@@theairaccumulator7144 You have too much faith in corporate awareness.
That would be mad hearing the W16 with those...
Gigachad casually revealing the secret sauce behind the screaming sounds that he worked on for years
The Honda CBX 1000 6 in 1 is so simple and sounds so good. Must be magic.
bro got a whole setup to show us exhaust stuff i love it 😩
Having such a legendary video be only 7 minutes instead of 30 minutes of off-topic yapping is insane. You are amazing!
This gentleman is a connoisseur of sound. He wants to hear "the perfect pitch" regularly in the distance, as he tends his garden in old age.
the secret gave me a electronic delay line and impedance matching flashback 💀
sine waves bouncing everywhere
I'm excited I've been waiting for this video 😅
I'm so glad I got first comment lol
Can they make the turbo v6 of 2026 sound like this???
F1 engines just like diesel engines are very efficient - they send very little energy out of the exhaust. I don't see how splitting up weak pressure wave into even weaker pressure waves can result in a greater sound than what we know already. The engines I'm curious to hear with stepped headers are the rotaries. They send A LOT of energy out of the exhaust. They might set a new standard.
With enough sound detaining and speakers, yes.
@@maisteer replica 787B's incoming!
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@@maisteer you should try and get in touch with Rob Dahm and see if you can convince him to make an NA build with this kind of stepped header.
You're an absolute legend for choosing to share this knowledge rather than becoming another gate keeper!
OH FINALLY, NEW VIDEO!!! Man, I love your videos! It’s absolutely ridiculous combination of phsysics lessons, great cold Geman humor and absolutely over-the-top edits!
That mustang sounds so sweet in person. Its unreal. I watched it race HSR a few seasons ago. Sounds glorious!
They use stepped headers on motorcycles with V twin facing the road.
One cylinder having a longer pipe than the other ,so to keep equal exhaust pulse travel time,the step up on cylinder pipe,so gases take longer to travel this bigger pipe,and both cylinders have equal duration exhaust pulses.
Generally you step up piping on bends,so the gases gain pressure and reduce speed,so travel easier in bends.
so glad that YT algorythm brought me here, love F1 and never coped on that between 1997 and 1998 engine sound changed that much. Good job figuring this out and sharing with world.
That's incredible. Been a while since I learned a REAL piece of valuable information on exhausts. Thank you sir for your work.
Thank you for going on this journey. I literally clapped during the video!!!
I've got stepped headers on my engine and they sound great. It's a four cylinder and non-sequential collector so doesn't have that F1 spund but it definitely sounds special compared to a normal one.
The steps also help extract exhaus gasses quicker and properly tuned length, means you get a greater scavenging effect at whatever RPM you tune them for.
I haven’t gotten sucked into someone’s genuine passion so quickly in a long time. Glad I watched this video and glad you uncovered this technique and made the automotive world much better for it
Maisteer... I think after all the hard work and research to get your biggest goal which was finding all the things needed to get a real F1 sound out of your V12 and could be any other car, I think we can say you finally got it man... Now I CAN'T wait to see your adjusting the V12 or in the hardest way, redesign the header style to finally hear that beast not roar... but SCREAM simphonys of pure good old engine glory. You're THE man Sir, waiting anxious for your next video. Keep the passion up!
Mr Maisteer... take a look at the Celeritech "8-4-1" header for the C6 Corvette. There's only one video showing the sound on youtube. But it sounds quite nutty. I hope it sparks your curiosity a little bit
July 4 2024 is when I learned the sacred knowledge of the screaming exhaust. Your perseverance has been an amazing journey to watch.. I can’t wait to hear the next chapter.
You are magic. Spend 10 years cracking the code for us all, and open source the sauce. Legendary
Hope this video blows up dude! Amazing work! Thank you so much!
Goddammit this guy he has snuck into the algo and as a gearhead I fucking love it lol
Wake up boys, the exhaust gas king has posted
This video packed a lot of punch, incredible work!
Man!!
That was really something!!👏👏👏
Something Special,really aprecciate you sharing this!!
By far the best car/ engineering content. Always funny too. Love every video
1st minute from just your format alone gained a new sub. Glad im here
a few years back I did a V10 F1 header copy design in Grabcad complete with stepped headers. just grabbed a picture off the internet and put it into CAD using a lot of creativity. I read somewhere why they were stepped but forgot why now. a few days back I attended the F1 exhibit in Toronto and both Haas (Ferrari) and Mercedes engines were featured. Of course they are turbo V6 engines so entirely different from days past. As they both had heat shielding on the primaries it was hard to tell on any detail construction.
Cant beleive you finally got it, and you best believe that once i have the cash saved up im going to an exhaust builder and asking for em to build me a nice stepped exhaust!
This, in combination with a small liter size (that helps as the shorter stroke allows for higher revs) is a deadly combination
This was amazing and very insightful. I hope to hear more cars sounding like this soon!
And its amazing how much induction noise adds to the flavour.
This video really describes my feeling for the last few years! Now's the time to look at the difference in the headers between a Murcielago and a Aventador to confirm this theory.
I've been watching videos like this for years... this is the ONLY one that had the answer.
I don’t often ever thumbs up any videos but you sir deserve that and a donation. Kudos to you for all your hard work and dedication!
You’re s legend bro. Thank you because some of us have just genuinely wanted to know how to do this and implement it into our own projects. I watched and waited and you did not disappoint. Thank you for the time and effort you put in for all of us. ⭐️
Notice how his facial expression changes when he smashes the throttle, similar to a guitarist immersed in their music. He loves it!
Holy shit new maisteer video
This man shared Mr. Sasaki's secrets
I found myself applauding you during this video... obviously you never heard it, but it blew me away that I was so impressed by your tenacity and determination that I cheered and applauded out loud. I will do what I can to support!
What a Legend! Not only did he cracked the code, but also made it hilarious 😂 GOAT
Never, ever get tired of listening to sweet sweet exhaust melodies
That sweet sound! Was happy to see a new video!
awe, I really hope the fia uses your exhaust
thats literally amazing
you spent ten years making the little engines sound like the big ones
bravo sir!
it really isn't that simple they've used already in a 18k rpm engine. but the v6 is designed to have most power with pressure wave lowed to a point where even if they did use it on a v6 turbo it wouldn't change the sound
You deserve more credit for this work!
wonder how it would sound like if u doubled or even tripled the steps 🧐
Omg, what have i found here, instant subbed and genuine appreciation. Outsanding editing and humour and knowledge.
Since I've seen one of your videos probably a year ago I've been hooked. Such quality like I've never seen. Trying to answer the question i myself have also wondered!
brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo found the cheat code now its our time bois, thanks ma(i)steer
So, will the 2026 regulation engines will sound good?
This is the greatest work I've seen in years. It also aligns with the research I'm doing to make my V12 7 Series make beautiful noise. Thank you for your diligent efforts
How in the world does this channel has only 38k Subscriber? It deserves at least two zeros more at the end!
Thank you for creating videos!
If you spend that amount of pain and the effort in the medicine, we would probably have HIV already cured. Great vid!
HIV has been cured according to google: "Three people are confirmed to have been cured of HIV after stem cell transplants replaced all the cells of their immune systems"
@@maisteer appreciate that corection, now I know even more thanks to you!
That is some absolutely amazingly dedicated work. Tip of the hat to you, Sir!
The video we all been waiting for you - thank you!!!
Absolutely brilliant channel. The humour, the edits, the brilliance
I really enjoyed every part of this video. Thank you
awesome video as always..looking forward to the next update
This put a huge smile on my face. Please keep making videos.
Incredible work at making those music notes!
Huge props ❤ Instantly clicked as soon as I saw you uploaded
What an amazing video!
The Peter Thiel quotes totally cracked me up!
Thank you for the video, I have been trying to figure out how to make certain sound out of my engine for a long time and theres not that much info online. Fun to see my buddys car in the background too!
Propa to this guy for working on a project for so long, almost by himself, and then not gatekeeping the results
Wieder mal ein absoluter Banger! Ich hoffe dir geht es gut und wir sehen uns bald mal wieder ✌️😊
You’re a legend!
I definitely will be doing this in the future, thank you!
Dude what an awsome video. very well done. Thank You!
Just epic! Love this channel so much
Damn this is amazing, looking forward to following this project
What a Legend. Keep doing what you doing, inspiring
Hey man, great video, love your passion and the way you explain all your secrets. I have an idea for a next video "HOW DOES THE LEXUS LFA SOUNDS SO GOOD?"
Im super impressed with Maisteer. This is the youtube channel we didnt know we needed.
Hands down one of the funniest videos on UA-cam. I love it !
This is legendary and you are a legend!
Just epic bro. People like you make a world that the rest of us can enjoy. Kudos to you brother!
Your channel is catered for me. I have subbed a while back and continue to wait for and watch all your videos. When I build my car, I will be using your information with HIGH regard. Such a wealth of knowledge but more importantly.. my niche!
Keep up the great work and thank you for your work. Guaranteed watch and share for me every time.
I can’t wait to support you monetarily but for now have a like
That ending was beautiful, you are a legend
YES!! Finally the secret is unlocked! i remember the first time i watched your v12 video i though awesome your tireless effort was. so happy for you
I hope you get millions of subs. The work you did with your engines and the editing deserves it. Thanks for the great videos.
Absolute brilliance. My respects to your dedication.
You answered a question I have been wondering about for years! Thank you!
Respect man! This is really a BIG work!
Thank you for sharing this!! Instant subscription