The Hawken was more handsome as a showpiece but the Renegade was a better workhorse. We need both available again with traditional sights in both caplock and flintlock. Made in the U.S.A. is mandatory as a real Hawken is not made in Spain or Italy.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 Hmm, ok. But I would never let that make my choice. Deer are aware of us for a lot more reasons other than that. Just need to be downwind at the time, and sitting still.
@@nathanlambshead4778 The Hawken was a fine rifle as well. I think we should buy one of each to settle the matter, after they are available again of course.👍
Still have my Hawken, built with my dad(RIP) back in the 70’s, about near 50 years ago. Still shoots great! Have my Renegade .54 flintlock! And my Omega, guns my daughters will inherit, lol. Love to see Seneca and Cherokee come back, even in kits, maybe even full stock? 🙏🏻
50 years ago, in 1974, shortly after I returned from the better part of 3 years with the Army in Germany I bought one (.50 cal) at Leslie Edelman's sporting good store store in Wayne, NJ...used to shoot it at the Cherry Ridge range up near Stockholm, NJ...moved to FL in Aug 1979 and was in need of quick cash one month - pawned it for $50 (f8ggeringing I'd get it back within that time, but totally forgot about it and lost it...would love t see this brought back some day, my friend...
My wife gifted me a TC Hawken back in the mid 80's. Back then it cost about $200 and she had it on lay-away all summer to pay for it. I harvested my biggest buck with a musket using that gun and just recently introduced my 9 year old grandson to it. He loved the set trigger and can shoot it off a rest like a pro. It's a great gun and mine has such great memories attached to it
PLEASE, PLEASE bring these back! I had the old Hawken and Renegade models, sold them when I moved to a state with no muzzleloader season, kick myself to this day, huge regrets. 1-48 twist was great for conicals patched round balls, no other factory produced muzzleloaders were on par with T/C! Not even close, Greg you’ll sell everyone you can produce!!
After watching the video I noticed a couple things and want to point this out for any beginners. First, pay attention and don't forget to ram the ball all the way down to the powder charge. About shot number 3 he used the ball starter but never used the ramrod. Also once the barrel started getting fouled he was not seated the bullet all the way down. Never bounce the ramrod. That does nothing but deform the soft lead. The very first time he loaded he seated the ball properly. That's when you mark the ramrod so that you know each additional shot is fully seated. Once the barrel is fouled you can see how hard it is to seat the projectile. The ramrod then becomes painful in the palm. Use something in the palm to reduce the pain. This is probably why his first, second and last shot were the most accurate. Because the projectile was fully seated. If this is new to you, it is a lot of fun. Just educate yourself before you start.
Yeah, I was taught never to stand there banging the ramrod down several times like that. And that ram rod does need some sort of wooden flat ball sort of thing to help push it down with. Like the metal ones they use at competitions.
Watching this in the UK we advise to NEVER ram with the palm of your hand, because if the charge goes off your ramrod exits the barrel vie the palm of your hand ,put anything on end of rod ensures the whole hand goes on holiday. SAFTEY FIRST
Greg/@TC Arms, I hope you bring back sidelocks! If you even made just replacement barrels, that would be a start. There's many TCs out there with neglected bores.
Back in the late 80's my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas, I said I want a .50 Cal. Hawken kit gun. Christmas I opened my present and it was a .50 Cal Renegade kit gun, I told her wanted the Hawken kit gun. She then told me when she saw the Renegade she thought it more appropriate because it reflected my personality. I still love my Renegade, and I think she was right. And I'm really glad T/C is Back.
At the 5:40 mark you short started the Maxi-Ball but did not ram it down on the powder. I can only hope that part of the restart of T/C is the return on the Hawken series (15/16 across the flats please) and the Patriot pistol.
Did you notice the cut and change in camera angle between 6:32 as he was aiming after only short starting the conical, and 6:33 when he fires? I wonder if that had something to do with that.
I love my Hawken! It was given to me many years ago by a dear friend. He said his sister tried to fire it 20 years before and it just wouldn't fire for her. Since I had previously had a black powder rifle, I started to check it out and found it was still loaded! I pulled what was left of the ball, managed to get most of the powder out just by dumping it and then had to wire brush the barrel to get the rest and get through all of the rust. No lie, I scrubbed and swabbed that barrel for 6 hours before I saw a clean patch! A new nipple, a load of 70 grains of Goex, and a 54 cal ball, it was on the paper at 50 yards! I know we can't date our early Hawkens because of a fire that happened, but I'm sure this one is from the early 70's. That chamber is worn somewhat from sitting loaded for over 20 years and I had to drill and retap for a larger nipple (I went with tophat style) This rifle is retired, she gets wiped down 2-3 times a year. She ain't much of a hunter anymore. She lives her live proudly displayed in a glass case, ready to come out and play with the rest of my black powder firearms, when someone wants to learn how it used to be.
@@timothymcknight9485 When I first got my 50 cal Hawken in the late 70's I didn't know the barrel was for conical bullets. I shot round balls which it shot great. After being schooled on this I now shoot conical bullets which it also shots great!
I love our TC Hawken's in .50. I bought my father one as a kit for his Christmas Present in 1978 or 79 I believe. He put it together & we shot it literally thousands of times. We used 90 grains of powder as well however we moved over from FF black powder to Pyrodex and we could get a lot more shots before we had to clean it thoroughly. I remember back in those days we both could cut a paper plate all to pieces at 100 yards shooting offhand. A great gun. Dad passed away in 2006 & I gave the rifle to my son in law a few years back. He certainly treasures it.
A cal12 or better a cal10 with 160 grains or FFG. A barrel like a baby railway tunnel, a fairly heavy gun 10 to 12 lbs with an adjustable gostring sight, that kicks like a mule, and a patched ball that hits like a charging bull elephant. The drool is running out of my mouth...
Love your idea of returning "primitive" muzzleloader seasons to traditional sidelock guns. I wish I could hunt the PA flintlock season, but I'm across the country. My first elk was taken with a TC Hawken 54 cal percussion - one shot - devastating results from a conical. I'll never forget it!
I appreciate that Montana's Muzzle Loader season is traditional only. No inlines. Matchlock, flint lock or cap lock, no sabots or gas checks, and cast bullets or round balls only. I built a Kentucky rifle two years ago and used it to take my first deer with a traditional black powder rifle.
The gunsmith told me the load and the bullet which is anywhere from 90 to 100 grains of 2f powder goex, and the Hornady 240 grain, PA conical lead bullet, and that's what most people in my area of North Central Pennsylvania use out of their flintlocks. Or they're using round balls. They're not using the bullets with a sabbat, and I can usually hold a 2-in group at 50 yd
Great video. brought back a lot of memories. I started hunting with a T/C Hawkin in mid 80's and I acquired a .50 and .45 caliber guns. I had problems with ignition every now and then and I solved this issue by using a musket nipple instead of the N0.11 nipple. I also mounted scopes on the guns. I still have both of them and I probably killed more than 50 deer with them.
The White Mt carbine and Renegade were fantastic woods guns. They cut weight and just handle better in the brush. Like Frankenstein rising TC is moving off the table and into the village. A 45cal muzzle loader is the best way to slow down a young hunter and make them think about the process of the hunt. You can make adjustments in powder charges with a youth to keep the gun tame.
With the return of T/C, I really hope you will release the T/C Patriot reloading stand. Either as a finished unit, or a kit. I have seen many T/C Patriots with cracked or broken wrists due to lack of support with a regular reloading stand.
There was something special about the Gray Hawk Stainless steel models. The Stainless Steel barrel and the finish you guys used on them didn't foul as quickly and cleaned with half the amount of effort. Ive shot both my 50 and 54 well over 20 rounds using everything from patched round balls to the Sabots using Hornady 45 caliber 240 grain XTP bullets. And they just dont seem to foul like the Blued Steel barreled rifles do. Same goes for my 50 Caliber Inline Stainless steel Encore barrel. If im at turkey shoot,And in the inline class. The Encore is the rifle i use. If im in the side lock class. The 54 Gray Hawk is the rifle. Because the shoot we run doesn't allow barrel cleaning in between shots. You start with a clean barrel and shoot till you miss,And if your accuracy due to a fouled barrel takes you out. Then thats just part of the game.
My grandfather built a Hawkins kit back in the 1970's. Upon his passing 30+ years ago it came into my possession. My grandpa taught me to shoot this black powder rifle when I was a kid and I still take it to the range a few times per year.
I love traditional muzzleloaders. I would love to see TC make a .32 cal cap or flintlock. That’s next on my list. I would also like to see a black powder shotgun.
I built two Hawken's from kits, have a Firestorm and an Encore 50 caliber. I also shot IMSA production with a Contender in 7mm TCU. What a great little handgun that was. I'm so glad to hear that you're getting back to making guns. Thanks for being willing to put in the hard work. I'm really enjoying your new videos.
Started shooting muzzleloaders in the mid-60s, after that I've been hunting with them all my life, I have shot just about every brand there is. In the mid-70s bought a CVA 1 and 48 twiss Hawkins, the CVS Will outperform Thompson Center hands down. Cast and shoot 375 grain Maxi ball, 105 grains of triple F black powder, it will shoot one hole after another 100 yd. My dad for years free-handed 100 yd at Turkey shoots, first shot cut a turkey head off iron sights only. He did this until he was 73 years old. Hands down the CVA Hawkins style rifle will out perform Thompson Center any day. Word of advice quit beating on your projectile with your ramrod, especially if you're using soft lead projectiles, you can seat your projectiles with firm push or just bump your ramrod with a palm of your hand if you have a good rifle boar. Also when loading your rifle quit standing over the muzzle.
I've been collecting Thompson Center Muzzleloaders because I thought they were a part of our past. Have six so far. Still glad to see them coming back. Anyone that doubts how accurate these Thompson Centers are watch the Idaho Lewis channel here on you tube. Incredibly accurate rifles. One shot is all it takes if you do your part.
My dad wore out a catolog in 1975 he wanted a renegade so bad. Years later i bought a .54 cal. With lyman sights Renegade for 150 bucks .love it! They were top quality muzzleloaders.
The first gun I ever bought was a TC Hawken in 50 cal. I later bought a TC Thunderhawk inline in 50 cal. I still have both and they've both taken deer. Great guns!
I've been collecting new englanders for several years. I have the wood stock and the synthetic stock, 50cal SS barrel and 50cal and 12ga blued barrels amung a few other T/C models. Good luck on your hunt they're great guns.
I only hope you bring back the side hammer black powder rifles, nothing wrong with modern BP rifles, but I'm an old school side hammer guy, an would rather hunt with those. Thx for the vid
Damit.... You're going to make me drag out my collection of TC Cap locks and get them all dirty again. Out of all of them (Gray Hawk 50,and 54,White Mountain Carbine 50, New Englander 50,Tree Hawk 50, Hawken 50 Flintlock for back when Pa was Flint only, And my baby the 58 Big Bore cap lock Carbine) The Big Bore 58 is my favorite to hunt with. The Gray Hawk 54 is the easiest to clean. For some reason that Stainless Steel finish you guys put on it makes that barrel the easiest to swab and clean. And its probably when those two get shot the most.
I bought a Hawkin kit in the late 70's and enjoyed the process of preparation and assembly. Shot two deer over the years. Have not shot it for a few years due to poor vision. I am now inspired to get it out and fire it. A friend boasted about having a gunsmith "custom build" a Hawkin . When he got it out of the closet it was from a TC kit just like mine. I did not have the heart to tell him but I thought I did a better job building mine and I am not a gunsmith.
I would love for Thompson Center to bring back the Hawken and the other side locks. I have an original Big Boar, and it is awesome. I always wanted a Hawken, but never got one. I am hoping to get a second chance.
Excellent informative video. I’ve been hunting with a muzzle loader for 40 years. T/C White Mountain Carbine 50 Cal. Pedersoli TnT 12 Gauge double and my Favorite side arm a Ruger Old Army S/S.
What I've always loved about single-shot platforms, is that they DEMAND the Operator respect, know, and USE every Marksmanship skill. One shot. One hit. Or not! ;-)
I've given a thumbs up, but really would've liked to see a greased patch and round ball instead. At least you used real black powder. Every rifle is different, the one my dad handed down to me is an easy 200 yrd gun. Mine has a tight bore and shoots a slightly smaller ".54" caliber. My sweet spot is 90 grains but can still consistently hit a gong at 300 yrds with 110 grains ffg It would be nice to be able to customize a German silver front blade and a case color hardened parts. Or get this, a matching rifle and pistol set from T/C with matching numbers ending in A and B.
Sadly finding real black powder today is getting extremely hard to find. When Gorex stopped production its really become extremely difficult to source any true Black Powder today. Perhaps TC Bringing Back some of the traditional side lock rifles might re-spur the Traditional Muzzle Loader fan fair. And maybe that might get one of the powder Manufacturers to start at least making a small amount of BP again for us.
With your enthusiasm in every video. I am so excited to see this company's future. Keep it up. I currently own 3 Thompson products, and I hope to own more once you guys get rolling.
I bought my .45 Hawken in 1971. Bought a Lee lead pot & Lee bullet molds. Learned to cast my own musket balls. Currently I have a superbly accurate.54 Renegade. Won a couple of trail walks with it.
Great video. Thank you. If anyone is wondering why hot-soapy-water is used … soap and detergent are alkaline products which counteract the corrosive acid in the blackpowder residue.
I have several of TC Hawkins in different calibers, great rifles and extremely dependable. There is one thing that I ask of you when showing these videos, which are great in content. Please, for the new Black Powder shooters who are learning, set your trigger while in half cock, I know there are some other manufactures that you can't do this to, but with the TC's you can, I can't tell you how many people have pulled the firing trigger thinking it was the set trigger and BOOM ! , scares the hell out of them and sometimes others who may have caught it, thank God the rifle was pointed down range but some were pointed up in the air and that's scary. So thanks again for your videos and keeping the tradition of Black powder shooting alive, keep your powder dry & balls warm & keep em in the X Ring.
I just bought myself a Renegade in fiftycal today. Absolut mint except a tiny little mark on the butt- never fired... Price? 2000 Swedish crowns = about 200 Usd I think that I made a really good deal for once. Yea I"ll have to wait for the permit but that's ok. The longing is half the pleasure 😅 Greetings from Sweden good folks ! 🇸🇪
I built one of those guns, from a kit, way back in the late 70's. Shot quite a few deer with it. Mine is .50 caliber, with a 1 in 48 twist. So for round ball I use 60 grains of 2F, an over powder wad and a patched .490 spruless round ball. For the Thompson Center Maxie ball or Maxie Hunter. I use 80 grains, an over powder wad. Pretty much all the powder burns in the barrel. Its a nice gun. I'm pretty sure the Hawken gun Johnson found was a .45 caliber. I will have to go watch that movie again. I wish I'd picked up the .54 caliber Hawken gun. I'm pretty accurate out to 100 yards. Beyond that, not so much :) I had to replace the wooden ramrod with an all brass one. I kept pulling the cleaning jags off. And people like Jim Bridger, would carry his Hawken gun, at least one smooth bore trade gun. Good as a shot gun, maybe two, and perhaps a pistol. Then it was knife and Hawk time :)
Great tip also for 1st time Hawkins shooters is mark your ram rod where it sticks out the barrel when it's loaded use marker to go in a circle it tells you where to push down on the rod to seat bullet also lets you know when you've already loaded gun to avoid double loading it
If an Indian would have found it, would he have been guilty of cultural appropriation? Or is it possible things in the past cannot be accurately viewed through today's lens?
We have flintlock season in PA. It's a great time with the basic tools. Using a Hawken .50 flintlock here. It adds another level of what can go wrong. Using the same mini ball as you have there, I got 3 in max at 100 yds. 90 grains of almost anything.
Yes! Bring back the Hawkin rifle. And the Contender. And the Renegade. And the wonderful .32 caliber Seneca. And the the TC accessories. And the . . . As soon as you financially can. THANK YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL VIDEO.
Please please 🙏. Make those rifles again!!! Kits too!!
Please bring back the excellent TC line of traditional muzzle loaders.
I second the his motion!!!
I third it
I could use another.
I fourth this motion
Bring back the Hawkins. 🙏
Hawken. They were the Hawken brothers. Not the Hawkins brothers.
Hawken
And the Senecas too.
@@11bravo_outdoors91 Do you think the brothers care?
@@11bravo_outdoors91 If a rifle of this style is known a a Hawken, then what would the plural be??
Please don't forget the Seneca and Cherokee models too!
I second that!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
At least the sights. Used market sight sets apparently cost more than the rest of the rifle.
The Cherokee actually replaced the Seneca but yeah I agree with you. Great guns.
Come on buddy, please bring back your black powder rifles and pistols. Im not to proud to beg !!!
Yes!! The GOAT! BRING BACK THE TC HAWKEN! The best modern version ever made, bar none.
Yeah...no. They're pretty mid-range, at best.
The Hawken was more handsome as a showpiece but the Renegade was a better workhorse. We need both available again with traditional sights in both caplock and flintlock. Made in the U.S.A. is mandatory as a real Hawken is not made in Spain or Italy.
Agree, but my I miss the New Englander.
Why do you think the renegade was a better workhorse?
@@nathanlambshead4778 Brass has a reflective quality if it is kept free of oxidation. Renegade has no brass.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 Hmm, ok. But I would never let that make my choice. Deer are aware of us for a lot more reasons other than that. Just need to be downwind at the time, and sitting still.
@@nathanlambshead4778 The Hawken was a fine rifle as well. I think we should buy one of each to settle the matter, after they are available again of course.👍
We need the T/C Hawken back! I want an American made Hawken instead of one from out of country.
Yes please bring back the Hawken and Renegade. Along with Maxi ball and Hunter
I hope you bring back side locks. Also there is a hole in the market for caps and powders you could possibly find a nitch.
Please bring back the wood stocked Muzzle Loaders
Still have my Hawken, built with my dad(RIP) back in the 70’s, about near 50 years ago. Still shoots great! Have my Renegade .54 flintlock! And my Omega, guns my daughters will inherit, lol. Love to see Seneca and Cherokee come back, even in kits, maybe even full stock? 🙏🏻
It's the same for me. I posted a comment a few minutes ago that is really close to your experience also. Wonderful memories.
50 years ago, in 1974, shortly after I returned from the better part of 3 years with the Army in Germany I bought one (.50 cal) at Leslie Edelman's sporting good store store in Wayne, NJ...used to shoot it at the Cherry Ridge range up near Stockholm, NJ...moved to FL in Aug 1979 and was in need of quick cash one month - pawned it for $50 (f8ggeringing I'd get it back within that time, but totally forgot about it and lost it...would love t see this brought back some day, my friend...
Very nice! I worked for Edelman's in the mid 1990's at the Montgomeryville, PA location. Cool to see that name again!
My wife gifted me a TC Hawken back in the mid 80's. Back then it cost about $200 and she had it on lay-away all summer to pay for it. I harvested my biggest buck with a musket using that gun and just recently introduced my 9 year old grandson to it. He loved the set trigger and can shoot it off a rest like a pro. It's a great gun and mine has such great memories attached to it
It's not a musket.
T/C needs to bring these back on to market again.
PLEASE, PLEASE bring these back! I had the old Hawken and Renegade models, sold them when I moved to a state with no muzzleloader season, kick myself to this day, huge regrets. 1-48 twist was great for conicals patched round balls, no other factory produced muzzleloaders were on par with T/C! Not even close, Greg you’ll sell everyone you can produce!!
After watching the video I noticed a couple things and want to point this out for any beginners. First, pay attention and don't forget to ram the ball all the way down to the powder charge. About shot number 3 he used the ball starter but never used the ramrod. Also once the barrel started getting fouled he was not seated the bullet all the way down. Never bounce the ramrod. That does nothing but deform the soft lead. The very first time he loaded he seated the ball properly. That's when you mark the ramrod so that you know each additional shot is fully seated. Once the barrel is fouled you can see how hard it is to seat the projectile. The ramrod then becomes painful in the palm. Use something in the palm to reduce the pain. This is probably why his first, second and last shot were the most accurate. Because the projectile was fully seated. If this is new to you, it is a lot of fun. Just educate yourself before you start.
Yeah, I was taught never to stand there banging the ramrod down several times like that. And that ram rod does need some sort of wooden flat ball sort of thing to help push it down with. Like the metal ones they use at competitions.
Watching this in the UK we advise to NEVER ram with the palm of your hand, because if the charge goes off your ramrod exits the barrel vie the palm of your hand ,put anything on end of rod ensures the whole hand goes on holiday. SAFTEY FIRST
Greg/@TC Arms, I hope you bring back sidelocks! If you even made just replacement barrels, that would be a start. There's many TCs out there with neglected bores.
Words can't express how happy I am to see TC back up and running.
Back in the late 80's my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas, I said I want a .50 Cal. Hawken kit gun.
Christmas I opened my present and it was a .50 Cal Renegade kit gun, I told her wanted the Hawken kit gun.
She then told me when she saw the Renegade she thought it more appropriate because it reflected my personality.
I still love my Renegade, and I think she was right. And I'm really glad T/C is Back.
At the 5:40 mark you short started the Maxi-Ball but did not ram it down on the powder.
I can only hope that part of the restart of T/C is the return on the Hawken series (15/16 across the flats please) and the Patriot pistol.
Yep me too. The Hawken and the Patriot. I'm ready!
That's the way I was shown how to load a black powder firearm.
Lol. I caught that too! I came to the comments to see who else did. 😂
@@bonesspursllc9029 yep, like shooting a BP blow gun. No telling where that shot landed.
Did you notice the cut and change in camera angle between 6:32 as he was aiming after only short starting the conical, and 6:33 when he fires? I wonder if that had something to do with that.
I love my Hawken! It was given to me many years ago by a dear friend. He said his sister tried to fire it 20 years before and it just wouldn't fire for her. Since I had previously had a black powder rifle, I started to check it out and found it was still loaded! I pulled what was left of the ball, managed to get most of the powder out just by dumping it and then had to wire brush the barrel to get the rest and get through all of the rust. No lie, I scrubbed and swabbed that barrel for 6 hours before I saw a clean patch! A new nipple, a load of 70 grains of Goex, and a 54 cal ball, it was on the paper at 50 yards! I know we can't date our early Hawkens because of a fire that happened, but I'm sure this one is from the early 70's. That chamber is worn somewhat from sitting loaded for over 20 years and I had to drill and retap for a larger nipple (I went with tophat style)
This rifle is retired, she gets wiped down 2-3 times a year. She ain't much of a hunter anymore. She lives her live proudly displayed in a glass case, ready to come out and play with the rest of my black powder firearms, when someone wants to learn how it used to be.
Picture this, it's the mid 2020s and TC arms brings back the Hawken rifles in ready to go and kit varieties in percussion and flintlock....😊
The last "Hawken" you had was a Renegade! Glad to see you found a real Hawken this time. T/C fan since 1986
God willing we will see production again. Mines 44 years young. Shoots like the first time. Year's of deer taken.
I have a T/C Renegade in .54 caliber, that I bought in 1980, too! Had to replace the barrel, with T/C roundball 1-66 inch twist. Shoots wonderfully.
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@@timothymcknight9485 When I first got my 50 cal Hawken in the late 70's I didn't know the barrel was for conical bullets. I shot round balls which it shot great. After being schooled on this I now shoot conical bullets which it also shots great!
I love our TC Hawken's in .50. I bought my father one as a kit for his Christmas Present in 1978 or 79 I believe. He put it together & we shot it literally thousands of times. We used 90 grains of powder as well however we moved over from FF black powder to Pyrodex and we could get a lot more shots before we had to clean it thoroughly.
I remember back in those days we both could cut a paper plate all to pieces at 100 yards shooting offhand. A great gun. Dad passed away in 2006 & I gave the rifle to my son in law a few years back. He certainly treasures it.
Whoever is filming/editing is killing it. Seriously great job.
Make a 58cal, 1 1/8 or 1 1/4. All iron, no brass, 2 barrel wedges, flint and percussion models
BIG BOAR!!
Yeah or 1” and 42” in length
A cal12 or better a cal10 with 160 grains or FFG. A barrel like a baby railway tunnel, a fairly heavy gun 10 to 12 lbs with an adjustable gostring sight, that kicks like a mule, and a patched ball that hits like a charging bull elephant. The drool is running out of my mouth...
Love your idea of returning "primitive" muzzleloader seasons to traditional sidelock guns. I wish I could hunt the PA flintlock season, but I'm across the country. My first elk was taken with a TC Hawken 54 cal percussion - one shot - devastating results from a conical. I'll never forget it!
I appreciate that Montana's Muzzle Loader season is traditional only. No inlines. Matchlock, flint lock or cap lock, no sabots or gas checks, and cast bullets or round balls only. I built a Kentucky rifle two years ago and used it to take my first deer with a traditional black powder rifle.
Built my 50 cal kit Renegade in 1980. Love that rifle 😊. It inspired me to build a 45 totally from scratch! Love that rifle too
My TC Hawken is 50 years old this month and still used to hunt whitetails. Have taken quite a few with it.
Bought it in October 1974.
I was born in October of 1973! I bought my first TC Hawken percussion .50 in 1993 at Walmart for $300!
Ive got a 50 cal Renegade I made from a TC kit in '84. It still shoots great. Bring back those kits and I'll be first in line to buy two.
Please bring them back and all the accessories for them!! We need an American made one so bad!
I have two TC Hawkins, love the quality.
Ive had a can of GOEX FF powder since 1990. Still half full. Still works beautifully in my TC Hawken 50. TC Seneca, and TC Renegade.
TC is coming back, hopefully they bring back the side lock.
The gunsmith told me the load and the bullet which is anywhere from 90 to 100 grains of 2f powder goex, and the Hornady 240 grain, PA conical lead bullet, and that's what most people in my area of North Central Pennsylvania use out of their flintlocks. Or they're using round balls. They're not using the bullets with a sabbat, and I can usually hold a 2-in group at 50 yd
Love my 54cal Hawkins I built with my son over 25 years ago. It’s not a TC but a Pedersoli kit I got from Cabelas . One rifle I’ll never sell
Great video. brought back a lot of memories. I started hunting with a T/C Hawkin in mid 80's and I acquired a .50 and .45 caliber guns. I had problems with ignition every now and then and I solved this issue by using a musket nipple instead of the N0.11 nipple. I also mounted scopes on the guns. I still have both of them and I probably killed more than 50 deer with them.
By far the most traditional rifle that a modern company thats been made. Now I think its time to see TC line up!
I would buy a Renegade. My New Englander took a lot of deer, and an elk in 1999. I bought it in 1990. My brother had the Hawkins. It was sweet.
Hawken, not "Hawkins."
The White Mt carbine and Renegade were fantastic woods guns. They cut weight and just handle better in the brush. Like Frankenstein rising TC is moving off the table and into the village. A 45cal muzzle loader is the best way to slow down a young hunter and make them think about the process of the hunt. You can make adjustments in powder charges with a youth to keep the gun tame.
45 Hawken, 54 Renegade, 54 Thunderhawk, 45 Encore, love them all!!!!!
With the return of T/C, I really hope you will release the T/C Patriot reloading stand. Either as a finished unit, or a kit. I have seen many T/C Patriots with cracked or broken wrists due to lack of support with a regular reloading stand.
6:45 .54 cal Hawken Renegade carbine.
Owned it for close to 50 years.
No brass hardware with double set trigger.
I had a TC Hawken 50 back in the 80s made from a kit. The 175 gr round balls were fun, but the 385 gr Buffaloe bullets would cross your eyeballs.
I really hope you do bring it back!
There was something special about the Gray Hawk Stainless steel models. The Stainless Steel barrel and the finish you guys used on them didn't foul as quickly and cleaned with half the amount of effort. Ive shot both my 50 and 54 well over 20 rounds using everything from patched round balls to the Sabots using Hornady 45 caliber 240 grain XTP bullets. And they just dont seem to foul like the Blued Steel barreled rifles do. Same goes for my 50 Caliber Inline Stainless steel Encore barrel. If im at turkey shoot,And in the inline class. The Encore is the rifle i use. If im in the side lock class. The 54 Gray Hawk is the rifle. Because the shoot we run doesn't allow barrel cleaning in between shots. You start with a clean barrel and shoot till you miss,And if your accuracy due to a fouled barrel takes you out. Then thats just part of the game.
Sure would like to see the Hawken available also a 36 caliber, thank you for bringing back TCA.
My grandfather built a Hawkins kit back in the 1970's. Upon his passing 30+ years ago it came into my possession. My grandpa taught me to shoot this black powder rifle when I was a kid and I still take it to the range a few times per year.
I love traditional muzzleloaders. I would love to see TC make a .32 cal cap or flintlock. That’s next on my list. I would also like to see a black powder shotgun.
I built two Hawken's from kits, have a Firestorm and an Encore 50 caliber. I also shot IMSA production with a Contender in 7mm TCU. What a great little handgun that was. I'm so glad to hear that you're getting back to making guns. Thanks for being willing to put in the hard work. I'm really enjoying your new videos.
Would love to see the .32 cal Hawkins again!
I don't know if that was ever a thing. I know that TC made the Hawken .45 and .50. TC also made some .36 guns but they weren't Hawkens.
You are right! The TC .32 cal was a cheorkee. Would love to see more small game BP rifles
@@timmatherly5080 .32 cal Cherokees and Senecas were factory options. .36 cal was only available through the custom shop.
Started shooting muzzleloaders in the mid-60s, after that I've been hunting with them all my life, I have shot just about every brand there is.
In the mid-70s bought a CVA 1 and 48 twiss Hawkins, the CVS Will outperform Thompson Center hands down.
Cast and shoot 375 grain Maxi ball, 105 grains of triple F black powder, it will shoot one hole after another 100 yd.
My dad for years free-handed 100 yd at Turkey shoots, first shot cut a turkey head off iron sights only.
He did this until he was 73 years old.
Hands down the CVA Hawkins style rifle will out perform Thompson Center any day.
Word of advice quit beating on your projectile with your ramrod, especially if you're using soft lead projectiles, you can seat your projectiles with firm push or just bump your ramrod with a palm of your hand if you have a good rifle boar.
Also when loading your rifle quit standing over the muzzle.
The kits are a must item, and make sure you have a 58 caliber!
True story 😎 A couple years ago I picked up a never fired T/C Hawkin .50 for $40 at a thrift store.
I've been collecting Thompson Center Muzzleloaders because I thought they were a part of our past. Have six so far. Still glad to see them coming back. Anyone that doubts how accurate these Thompson Centers are watch the Idaho Lewis channel here on you tube. Incredibly accurate rifles. One shot is all it takes if you do your part.
My dad wore out a catolog in 1975 he wanted a renegade so bad. Years later i bought a .54 cal. With lyman sights Renegade for 150 bucks .love it! They were top quality muzzleloaders.
Bless you my Thompson center Brother. 🤙
The first gun I ever bought was a TC Hawken in 50 cal. I later bought a TC Thunderhawk inline in 50 cal. I still have both and they've both taken deer. Great guns!
You gotta bring these rifles back
This is it Greg Ritz! We we want them traditional muzzleloaders!!!
I’m hunting with dad’s T/C New Englander this season. Really enjoying these videos and glad to see things back up and running.
I've been collecting new englanders for several years. I have the wood stock and the synthetic stock, 50cal SS barrel and 50cal and 12ga blued barrels amung a few other T/C models. Good luck on your hunt they're great guns.
I only hope you bring back the side hammer black powder rifles, nothing wrong with modern BP rifles, but I'm an old school side hammer guy, an would rather hunt with those. Thx for the vid
Damit.... You're going to make me drag out my collection of TC Cap locks and get them all dirty again. Out of all of them (Gray Hawk 50,and 54,White Mountain Carbine 50, New Englander 50,Tree Hawk 50, Hawken 50 Flintlock for back when Pa was Flint only, And my baby the 58 Big Bore cap lock Carbine) The Big Bore 58 is my favorite to hunt with. The Gray Hawk 54 is the easiest to clean. For some reason that Stainless Steel finish you guys put on it makes that barrel the easiest to swab and clean. And its probably when those two get shot the most.
Thanks for your post. The Hawken is without a doubt my favorite muzzle loading firearm.
I bought a Hawkin kit in the late 70's and enjoyed the process of preparation and assembly. Shot two deer over the years. Have not shot it for a few years due to poor vision. I am now inspired to get it out and fire it. A friend boasted about having a gunsmith "custom build" a Hawkin . When he got it out of the closet it was from a TC kit just like mine. I did not have the heart to tell him but I thought I did a better job building mine and I am not a gunsmith.
Ah, the smell of black powder in the morning!
Love my Hawkin!
I would love for Thompson Center to bring back the Hawken and the other side locks. I have an original Big Boar, and it is awesome. I always wanted a Hawken, but never got one. I am hoping to get a second chance.
The hawks was nice.had a lot of TC's Loved that Texas Scout . Sn. 470 Of 500 got stolen.
Excellent informative video. I’ve been hunting with a muzzle loader for 40 years. T/C White Mountain Carbine 50 Cal. Pedersoli TnT 12 Gauge double and my Favorite side arm a Ruger Old Army S/S.
I had a .45 cal. T/C Hawkin in 1978. It was my favorite rifle.
I took my biggest deer to date with a first gen T/C Hawkins. I actually have a video of it on my channel from a self filmed hunt.
Not late 1800's 1840 ish with cap and 1820's with flint
What I've always loved about single-shot platforms, is that they DEMAND the Operator respect, know, and USE every Marksmanship skill. One shot. One hit. Or not! ;-)
I've given a thumbs up, but really would've liked to see a greased patch and round ball instead. At least you used real black powder. Every rifle is different, the one my dad handed down to me is an easy 200 yrd gun. Mine has a tight bore and shoots a slightly smaller ".54" caliber. My sweet spot is 90 grains but can still consistently hit a gong at 300 yrds with 110 grains ffg It would be nice to be able to customize a German silver front blade and a case color hardened parts. Or get this, a matching rifle and pistol set from T/C with matching numbers ending in A and B.
Sadly finding real black powder today is getting extremely hard to find. When Gorex stopped production its really become extremely difficult to source any true Black Powder today. Perhaps TC Bringing Back some of the traditional side lock rifles might re-spur the Traditional Muzzle Loader fan fair. And maybe that might get one of the powder Manufacturers to start at least making a small amount of BP again for us.
@@Pyle81 I thought Goex started up again a year or so ago?
With your enthusiasm in every video. I am so excited to see this company's future. Keep it up. I currently own 3 Thompson products, and I hope to own more once you guys get rolling.
I bought my .45 Hawken in 1971. Bought a Lee lead pot & Lee bullet molds. Learned to cast my own musket balls. Currently I have a superbly accurate.54 Renegade. Won a couple of trail walks with it.
Great video. Thank you. If anyone is wondering why hot-soapy-water is used … soap and detergent are alkaline products which counteract the corrosive acid in the blackpowder residue.
Awesome I am waiting for one of the new ones I have a t/c flintlock Hawken I got around 1976
I have 4 of your rifles and pistols. Can’t wait to have a few more. TC barrels too
I have several of TC Hawkins in different calibers, great rifles and extremely dependable. There is one thing that I ask of you when showing these videos, which are great in content. Please, for the new Black Powder shooters who are learning, set your trigger while in half cock, I know there are some other manufactures that you can't do this to, but with the TC's you can, I can't tell you how many people have pulled the firing trigger thinking it was the set trigger and BOOM ! , scares the hell out of them and sometimes others who may have caught it, thank God the rifle was pointed down range but some were pointed up in the air and that's scary.
So thanks again for your videos and keeping the tradition of Black powder shooting alive, keep your powder dry & balls warm & keep em in the X Ring.
I just bought myself a Renegade in fiftycal today. Absolut mint except a tiny little mark on the butt- never fired...
Price? 2000 Swedish crowns = about 200 Usd
I think that I made a really good deal for once.
Yea
I"ll have to wait for the permit but that's ok. The longing is half the pleasure 😅
Greetings from Sweden good folks !
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I have one that I have converted to use .209. I absolutely love it!!
I built one of those guns, from a kit, way back in the late 70's. Shot quite a few deer with it. Mine is .50 caliber, with a 1 in 48 twist. So for round ball I use 60 grains of 2F, an over powder wad and a patched .490 spruless round ball. For the Thompson Center Maxie ball or Maxie Hunter. I use 80 grains, an over powder wad. Pretty much all the powder burns in the barrel. Its a nice gun. I'm pretty sure the Hawken gun Johnson found was a .45 caliber. I will have to go watch that movie again. I wish I'd picked up the .54 caliber Hawken gun. I'm pretty accurate out to 100 yards. Beyond that, not so much :) I had to replace the wooden ramrod with an all brass one. I kept pulling the cleaning jags off. And people like Jim Bridger, would carry his Hawken gun, at least one smooth bore trade gun. Good as a shot gun, maybe two, and perhaps a pistol. Then it was knife and Hawk time :)
Great tip also for 1st time Hawkins shooters is mark your ram rod where it sticks out the barrel when it's loaded use marker to go in a circle it tells you where to push down on the rod to seat bullet also lets you know when you've already loaded gun to avoid double loading it
Thank you for a great Video. I haven't done muzzle loading in about 30 years. This reminded me how much I need to get back in to it.
I have SEVERAL TC sidelocks.
You left out the part where Hatchet Jack wrote "Lord hope it be a white man." That part didn't age so well, lol.
It's a good gun. It kilt the bear that kilt me
If an Indian would have found it, would he have been guilty of cultural appropriation? Or is it possible things in the past cannot be accurately viewed through today's lens?
We have flintlock season in PA. It's a great time with the basic tools. Using a Hawken .50 flintlock here. It adds another level of what can go wrong. Using the same mini ball as you have there, I got 3 in max at 100 yds. 90 grains of almost anything.
At least this time he's shooting real blackpowder..
A classic. In PA we started out with flintlocks. Now there’s a week in October where you can take a cap & ball Hawkin after doe. So much fun!
When you get an old gun that shoots beautifully, it's the most awesome feeling ever!
Agreed. My dad has a Hawkins kit gun and I would like to build my own. I agree you need to make a Pennsylvania flintlock version
I'd love to see them brought back by TC!
Yes! Bring back the Hawkin rifle. And the Contender. And the Renegade. And the wonderful .32 caliber Seneca. And the the TC accessories. And the . . . As soon as you financially can. THANK YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL VIDEO.
TC Hawken Seneca Cherokee simply the Best. Bring’em Back ! And the accessories 🫡
Excellent video. Time to start practicing. Also have the Black Diamond .50. Sure do miss my old .22 Classic rifle. Wish they had a fix for that rifle.
Bro, this guy gets me so fucking jazzed up for T/Cs return!
Please make the falling block!