Everything Women Can and Can't Do According to the Bible: Women in Ministry part 13
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0:00:00 Intro
0:02:16 Why I refused to talk about this for years
0:06:38 What are Egalitarian, Complementarian, and Patriarchal?
0:15:00 I have over 40 hours of teaching on this debate
0:16:57 What you can expect today
0:18:46 What surprised me the most about this research project
0:22:33 The growing tide of egalitarianism
0:26:05 Egalitarians are right but still wrong
0:26:55 Comps and Pats are wrong but still right
0:28:07 This is a secondary/family issue but it’s worth arguing over
0:30:03 We bypass the Bible
0:33:49 Three things you need to believe when you study this issue
0:34:49 THE THREE PILLARS: Solid truths that should not be debated
0:35:26 Pillar #1: Male headship and female submission in marriage
0:47:26 Pillar #2: Elders positions and functions are for men only
1:01:03 Pillar #3: Women’s status as image bearers and sons of God is inviolable
1:26:00 The 3 pillars summarized
1:27:24 The big question: How far should we draw out the application beyond marriage and eldership?
1:35:49 MY INTERPRETIVE METHODOLOGY of “rules and examples” explained
1:40:12 An example of a good wife rebelling against her husband.
1:44:15 Quick summary of the impact of letting biblical examples help us apply gender rules.
1:47:12 Women in government: Deborah breaks the strongest patriarchal view.
1:52:37 Are women in government some lofty ideal?
1:53:32 Women bosses/employers.
1:56:56 Queens had some authority that men were told to yield to.
1:58:39 Should men have a resistant attitude toward women in positions of authority?
1:59:20 Should women vote?
2:01:28 The Bible is not limiting all women from all authority over all men
2:01:59 Women being “homemakers”
2:11:08 Am I saying there is no application outside marriage and church?
2:12:09 Scripture refutes modern gender values.
2:15:23 We should embrace these gender stereotypes.
2:19:17 Negative stereotypes to reject.
2:21:20 What do we do in our society that kicks against God’s design?
2:23:18 What would I say to a young woman who is looking at family and career options?
2:23:53 SUMMARY of how to apply biblical principles in society, outside of ministry and marriage
2:29:09 What detailed guidelines do we have for women in ministry?
2:29:44 What is an elder/pastor?
2:37:50 What’s wrong with using “pastor” for people who aren’t biblical elders?
2:43:32 What is a deacon?
2:53:22 The two simple principles guiding us regarding women in ministry.
2:55:01 Can women be church ushers?
2:56:23 What about serving in tech and media ministry?
2:56:47 What about being a children’s ministry teacher?
2:57:13 What about food ministry?
2:57:22 What about unofficial teaching moments?
2:59:15 What about women evangelizing men?
3:00:28 What about “stage evangelism” like Greg Laurie?
3:01:46 What about women theologians?
3:06:08 What about being in seminary classes?
3:07:53 A woman theologian who writes a book on theology that men read?
3:12:19 Running a podcast or UA-cam channel?
3:17:00 Women’s ministries and weak women
3:18:07 Women prophesying in mixed gathering?
3:22:17 Doing church announcements?
3:22:47 Leading in prayer congregationally?
3:23:48 Any ministry that isn’t to adult men?
3:24:43 When does a boy become a man?
3:30:03 Being a leader and teacher in youth ministry?
3:32:16 Women teaching men and women outside of the church setting?
3:37:09 Teaching in church apart from the Sunday pulpit?
3:41:00 Teaching in church from the Sunday morning pulpit?
3:48:01 Women worship leaders?
3:51:41 Leading ministries to children with men under their authority?
3:53:03 A word for those who want to err on the side of safety
3:54:38 Things I didn’t want to forget to mention
3:54:51 Husbands are not “the priests of their wives”
3:57:11 Are we supposed to restrict women being “influential”?
3:58:01 Women do possess gifts of leadership and teaching
3:58:41 Women don’t need to show an attitude of submission to all men
4:00:47 These rules are NOT based on women being less capable.
4:04:54 Your sense of calling and skills are not enough.
4:05:17 This will protect against woke ideology
4:06:25 CONCLUSIONS: In the end, how far do we extend the boundaries?
4:08:58 If you disagree with me please do this
4:09:54 About that thing I left out that proves me wrong
4:10:22 A warning about egalitarians
4:13:18 It is NOT enough to just believe in biblical gender roles
4:14:36 Our secular culture needs these truths
4:15:28 What would I say to a woman pastor who just realized the truth?
4:18:08 I’m finally done.
Links:
All 13 videos (over 40 hours of teaching) are in this playlist • Women In Ministry - EV...
Notes from this video biblethinker.org/wp-content/u...
How to be a husband • "How To Be A Husband" ...
On Isaiah 3:12 and whether women leaders are judgment from God ua-cam.com/users/liveWzB7Qy4a...
My site BibleThinker.org
TIMESTAMPS AND LINKS
0:00:00 Intro
0:02:16 Why I refused to talk about this for years
0:06:38 What are Egalitarian, Complementarian, and Patriarchal?
0:15:00 I have over 40 hours of teaching on this debate
0:16:57 What you can expect today
0:18:46 What surprised me the most about this research project
0:22:33 The growing tide of egalitarianism
0:26:05 Egalitarians are right but still wrong
0:26:55 Comps and Pats are wrong but still right
0:28:07 This is a secondary/family issue but it’s worth arguing over
0:30:03 We bypass the Bible
0:33:49 Three things you need to believe when you study this issue.
0:34:49 THE THREE PILLARS: Solid truths that should not be debated
0:35:26 Pillar #1: Male headship and female submission in marriage
0:47:26 Pillar #2: Elders positions and functions are for men only
1:01:03 Pillar #3: Women’s status as image bearers and sons of God is inviolable.
1:26:00 The 3 pillars summarized.
1:27:24 The big question: How far should we draw out the application beyond marriage and eldership?
1:35:49 My interpretive methodology of “rules and examples” explained
1:40:12 An example of a good wife rebelling against her husband.
1:44:15 Quick summary of the impact of letting biblical examples help us apply gender rules.
1:47:12 Women in government: Deborah breaks the strongest patriarchal view.
1:52:37 Are women in government some lofty ideal?
1:53:32 Women bosses/employers.
1:56:56 Queens had some authority that men were told to yield to.
1:58:39 Should men have a resistant attitude toward women in positions of authority?
1:59:20 Should women vote?
2:01:28 The Bible is not limiting all women from all authority over all men.
2:01:59 Women being “homemakers”
2:11:08 Am I saying there is no application outside marriage and church?
2:12:09 Scripture refutes modern gender values.
2:15:23 We should embrace these gender stereotypes.
2:19:17 Negative stereotypes to reject.
2:21:20 What do we do in our society that kicks against God’s design?
2:23:18 What would I say to a young woman who is looking at family and career options?
2:23:53 SUMMARY of how to apply biblical principles in society, outside of ministry and marriage
2:29:09 What detailed guidelines do we have for women in ministry?
2:29:44 what is an elder/pastor?
2:37:50 What’s wrong with using “pastor” for people who aren’t biblical elders?
2:43:32 What is a deacon?
2:53:22 The two simple principles guiding us regarding women in ministry.
2:55:01 Can women be church ushers?
2:56:23 What about serving in tech and media ministry?
2:56:47 What about being a children’s ministry teacher?
2:57:13 What about food ministry?
2:57:22 What about unofficial teaching moments?
2:59:15 What about women evangelizing men?
3:00:28 What about “stage evangelism” like Greg Laurie?
3:01:46 What about women theologians?
3:06:08 What about being in seminary classes?
3:07:53 A woman theologian who writes a book on theology that men read?
3:12:19 Running a podcast or UA-cam channel?
3:17:00 Women’s ministries and weak women
3:18:07 Women prophesying in mixed gathering?
3:22:17 Doing church announcements?
3:22:47 Leading in prayer congregationally?
3:23:48 Any ministry that isn’t to adult men?
3:24:43 When does a boy become a man?
3:30:03 Being a leader and teacher in youth ministry?
3:32:16 Women teaching men and women outside of the church setting?
3:37:09 Teaching in church apart from the Sunday pulpit?
3:41:00 Teaching in church from the Sunday morning pulpit?
3:48:01 Women worship leaders?
3:51:41 Leading ministries to children with men under their authority?
3:53:03 A word for those who want to err on the side of safety
3:54:38 Things I didn’t want to forget to mention
3:54:51 Husbands are not “the priests of their wives”
3:57:11 Are we supposed to restrict women being “influential”?
3:58:01 Women do possess gifts of leadership and teaching
3:58:41 Women don’t need to show an attitude of submission to all men
4:00:47 These rules are NOT based on women being less capable.
4:04:54 Your sense of calling and skills are not enough.
4:05:17 This will protect against woke ideology
4:06:25 CONCLUSIONS: In the end, how far do we extend the boundaries?
4:08:58 If you disagree with me please do this
4:09:54 About that thing I left out that proves me wrong
4:10:22 A warning about egalitarians
4:13:18 It is NOT enough to just believe in biblical gender roles
4:14:36 Our secular culture needs these truths
4:15:28 What would I say to a woman pastor who just realized the truth?
4:18:08 I’m finally done.
Links:
All 13 videos (over 40 hours of teaching) are in this playlist ua-cam.com/play/PLZ3iRMLYFlHuBtpJlwi7F5JYw3N5pKyLC.html&si=8hcvz7VSQsQsCPbw
Notes from this video biblethinker.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/WIM-13-FINAL-NOTES.docx
How to be a husband ua-cam.com/video/65eMggo_xKQ/v-deo.html
On Isaiah 3:12 and whether women leaders are judgment from God ua-cam.com/users/liveWzB7Qy4azew?si=8b0qucIHZEzN06oC&t=5106
My site BibleThinker.org
This is fantastic Mike! I’m excited for this! It’s like the end of an era!
Are we on to Hebrews next?!!!
Love ya bro. Keep up the Lord’s work!
Do you answer questions in the comments? I noticed something reading 1 colossians. To me it appears as though Paul is referencing the book of John? Is he, and if that's the case, would that mean that John was written prior to AD 60?
Mike! Nearly 4.5 hours! Bro, you are killing me!.... just kidding.... this is great. Even where I might differ with you on various points. Thank you for being so thorough with this series. Cheers! Carry on!
I’m so grateful for this series, but…I ALSO CAN’T WAIT FOR HEBREWS!!!!!!! Woohoooooooo!!!!
Thank you very much! Awesome study! :)
There's also the point "leading in small groups" at 3:50:00 :)
I am still a bit confused on how to differentiate and drawing the line, for example when making a podcast or teach people outside the church. You said, we can say that people should go to their local church, but I don't quit understand what is too much. You explained it in general, you also used I think Mike Heiser as an example. But there are people who watch everything they say and don't have a local church. Doesn't this make him kind of like an online pastor? I still just can't quite understand the difference. Can someone please explain? 😊
Babe wake up, Women in Ministry series finale just dropped
"Babe, remain silent, Women in Ministry series finale just dropped!"
@@turkeybobjrthat’s gold lol
Exactly
@@turkeybobjr😂😂
Love this❤
Since you dropped the first Women in Ministry video I graduated university, got married, moved states, and had a baby 😂 Thank you for your dedicated, careful, and thorough teaching on this essential topic.
This made me laugh, realizing how long he's been working on this series. 😄🥰 Congratulations to you - a few times over!
Man, that is awesome! Congrats!
I'm jealous. I only graduated from university. Still need to check off the marriage and parenting boxes
lol!
😂😂😂 congratulations
I remember when I was a kid my sister would complain about being a son of God, so my dad would tell her if your brother is the bride of Christ you are a son of God…fair is fair
Thank you for all your effort with this teaching. I was a feminist and it ruined my life completely and my marriage. In short, I got tired of being in control, because it made everybody miserable. Only after becoming a Christian, I understood my role and now I love that my husband is the head of our family and I life daily to be his helper, all to the glory of God. If you read the scripture, you can not confuse it. It is extremely straight forward. Woman trying to to argue these basic points, are still trying to defend the self... the flesh. You will never find peace and joy with this attitude. Trust and believe the Word of God and crucify your flesh daily.
If you are both believers, there is a 3rd way berween either husband or wife trying to run everything alone! Christ is the leader, and husband and wife seek Him together and make decisions together! You are ONE, the Bible says. It is wonderful to act as one flesh with your spouse, with God in control of both of you!
Maybe that had less to do with your gender and more to do with you as a person.
In egalitarianism, neither spouse is "in control" unless the two of them mutually agree that they prefer one to have primary leadership responsibility.
@erinhuffman8713 I personally believe in discussion, prayer, and then the husband decides. If women can always overrule their husband, it's not egalitarian, it's feminism and she's in charge. We have lived with a rule of 2 yeses and 1 no. It sounds nice, but it was sin. All I had to do was dissent (complain, argue, whine) and I'd get my way.
@@RCGWho When both spouses have an attitude of deference to the other and the desire to seek unity, neither one will be pitching a fit just to get their way. They will be working together to make the best decision. None of us are perfect at this, especially in the beginning! But it does get better with lots of practice!
Mike "I actually have a video on that" Winger has leveled up to Mike "I actually have a 40 hour playlist on that" Winger.
Hahaha! True story
😂 Well put!
Imagine when we get to eternity and Mike finally has time to work on his Hebrews series!
Mike, I've said it before, you should turn this entire teaching series into a book/audiobook.
That would be super helpful, even if he got someone else to transcribe the videos
1000 times this
No idea how he is doing financially, but if he needed the help, I'm sure his audience would donate money towards this fund!
If in book form, I would totally donate!
Let some trusty volunteer do that and allow Mike to move on to Hebrews ❤
I second this
I've got some sincere questions.
I've listened to the entire series. All of it. I am very impressed with Mike's logic, knowledge, scholarship, humility, honesty. Everything. I think there are a lot of good arguments for complementarianism in these videos. I think I agree with most or all of it. In addition, I am a huge Mike Winger fan of several years. I am also a life long complementarian according to my personally held beliefs. However, I fail to truly understand how complementarianism should actually manifest in a marriage differently than egalitarianism. I am 60 years old and have been a conservative, Christian since age 19. I have been married to a Godly man for 40 years. Verbally, we say we are in a complementarian marriage. But I've been challenged to figure out how that could be proven observationally. My husband is humble, kind, loving, generous. All the good things. He loves and respects me deeply, as I do him.
First Question: We make our decisions together. He has never trumped me with his complementarian authority. Why would he? Under what circumstances would we quit on our discussion and he make a decision I don't agree with? If the answer is any circumstance in which we just can not come to an agreement, my reply would be twofold. 1. That hasn't happened in 40 years. 2. My husband would not carry it out. He would simply keep praying and keep the discussion going. At some point, he knows we will agree and we always do. There is no bullying. No one sidedness. There is mutual respect and love, and a deep desire to put our precious relationship before our individual wants or needs and an even higher desire to follow the Holy Spirit. Why is the "tie breaker" idea in a Christian marriage even a thing? I do not understand it.
Second Question: Even complementarians as harsh (I'll go so far as to say unbiblically oppressively to women) as John Piper agree that the trump card is to be used only rarely, so lets set that aside. In what other actual ways, on a daily basis, in a marriage, does the wife's obligation to submit manifest in the relationship? Everything I've heard complementarian teachers teach to either the husband or the wife are things BOTH spouses should do! A husband should make sure the family prays and studies the Bible. Well, so should a wife, right? And don't they just do this together? A wife should treat her husband with respect, and so should the husband treat his wife with respect. Can someone tell me actual ways in which a loving, healthy, complementarian marriage is supposed to be different from an egalitarian marriage?
It sounds like you have a beautiful marriage! You and your husband recognize that marriage is not about one of you exercising authority over the other, but about both of you submitting to God as the Head of your home. I hope you both share this wisdom with younger couples around you about what makes your marriage great!
Great question.
+1
I really hope Mike sees and responds to this.
Hopefully more people LIKE AND COMMENT on this so that he does....
Good question.
Mike, I watched every minute of the whole series. It was so timely for my wife and I as we re-enter ministry after a long break recovering from the disabilities that hit our life like a wrecking ball when I survived a brain surgery that left me severely impaired. The church we planted from has gone full egalitarian, while we have discovered biblical complementarianism on our journey back to mental health and functioning. It has been particularly precious to us as my wife became a full-time caretaker and essentially single mom for YEARS and lost me as the head of our home. By God's grace and a real miracle (intentionally using that word) I'm back to being me, and have resumed my role in the family. As we enter the church, I needed Biblical clarity on how this should look in the structure and practice of the church. Grateful for your ministry, brother 👊🏼
I am in a local church with all male elders. All sermons are given by men. Most congregants and outsiders don't understand. It is sometimes tough for the pastor.
Two weeks ago, I sent him the link to your women in ministry-series. He was very excited and thankful for your work. As am I!
THANĶ YOU SO MUCH!
Greetings from Switzerland 🐄
No!!! Not Switzerland! Stay neutral !
@@davidfayfield6594 Lol
Keep living holy like your cheese ❤
@Window4503 good one lol! 😂
Beautiful country! I adore Switzerland! Some of the kindest men and women I’ve ever met live there.
MIKE - we all LOVE your long content. I know it’s a lot of work but PLEASE keep giving us long content!!
Yessss 🎉🙏🏼
I would love to know how long the longest UA-cam video is and see Mike win that award. 🥰 Didn't he say one of them is 11 hours?
@@evansjessicae the women in ministry one before this, yes.
All he has to do is a compilation video of this series. 😊🏆 Love it all, thank you for your dedication to the Word.
@@evansjessicaethe longest UA-cam vid made was nearly 600 hours lol. Now the max length is capped at 12 hours, so Mike's video still had a few mins to spare lol. There's another guy Michael Weisner or something, I mighta got the name wrong but he does some long videos, I listened to some of his stuff on finding all the old testament passages in the book of revelation
As someone who has been accused of not studying deeply before concluding that I fall on the complementarian side, I have really appreciated this series. In fact, I DID study deeply, reading several books, many articles, and of course Bible passages to figure out God's will for men and women in marriage and ministry. That said, I continue to study and am always open to fresh information and thoughtful commentary in hopes that I will continue to grow in this area.
But while I come down close to where you are (not the same spot on the spectrum, but...), I have been somewhat bothered that you are harsher with egalitarians than with patriarchists. A lot more damage has been done by the latter group than the former. I wonder if your reactions are shaped somewhat by being in California among far more egals than pats, whereas in the Bible belt (where I live), it's far more common to come across hard-core comps and pats who denigrate or dismiss women with their rhetoric and actions.
Also, not being a woman, perhaps you haven't encountered that as much. As a woman in ministry (a teacher, not a pastor!), believe me, I've had plenty of negative feedback through the years from men who consider women less capable or worthy of consideration. And I've read so many messages from wives whose strong-comp/patriarchal husbands have treated them in a manner unworthy of Ephesians 5:23. I know you called out men on that, but it just doesn't feel strong enough. I'm praying that you'll use this wonderful platform to speak more boldly to such men and remind them that this isn't simply a peripheral matter but a core issue for many women. No, it's not about salvation, but it is about something God clearly cares about deeply: oppression. That needs to end. Yesterday. And forever.
Thanks.
Underrated comment.
Thank you.
Extremely well considered comment, W
Good point! While he did address patriarchy, you are right that it’s much less than egals.
Your pointing out that he lives in California does seem relevant to his lack of meaningful critique for the harms of patriarchy. I see this issue much differently than Mike, having been raised in the homeschooling community in Texas. I have personally witnessed the bad fruits of this theology over and over again.
If there were an award for biblical teaching, I would nominate Mike. The relief this video brings in light of the damage of so many recent public figures is immense. Thank you a million times to Mike and his team 🎉
Hello from Germany 🇩🇪 !
Listened to all the 43+ hours of this series, enjoyed it tremendously! 🎉
Thanks for putting these crazy hours of research into the topic.
As a Christian woman, wife of an teacher-elder and mom of four I am very interested in all of this (yes, even the bizarre details😅) but there would have been no way to go and do the research all by myself. I appreciate this, brother!
And thanks for clearing up that churches where deacons are in a position of leadership, women should not be appointed as such. Our church is led by a plurality of elders, and deacons are in a position of assistants to the elders.
And as I assume that your wife supported you in many, many ways (and maybe not every day doing so was fun for her😅), please tell her that we are also thankful for her role in making this ministry possible ❤!!! 💐
Thank you! I’ll pass that on to my wife. :)
There are Christian Pastors giving Their Wife: Pastor Title
For: Authority / Leadership
@ Equal
Heirs in The Kingdom
of God.
For The Wife to Half
Equal Pay, or as
Two Working Parents,
Two Income Household
Two Making Kids
College Funds,
Her S.S. # at Work
And Earn her Own
Vacation Days, not
Limited to his Income.
It's Not Always Enough:
Pastor's Wife Title,
Pastor's Wife Parking Lot
And Not
That's more hours than I've watched!
God bless from Ohio, USA.
@guadalupecompean3734 n that Pastor was the most unhealthy and judgemental and he basically worshipped his wife who was cold hearted and extremely unloving, unkind, and they were the worse neighbors I've ever had😢😅🎉
Huhu, ich hau hier mal kurz eine deutsche Empfehlung raus 🇩🇪
Der Podcast „Wahn & Sinn“ von der Fokus Kirche haut gerade Folgen zu diesem Thema raus, die ich sehr empfehlen kann und die zu einem etwas anderem Schluss kommen als Mike, aber auch sehr biblisch orientiert sind - wer noch nach einer biblisch orientierten Gegenmeinung sucht 🤗
Do you realize this video dropped at like 9pm on the east coast.
I can’t stay up for 4 hrs. watching a video!
Yet I can’t sleep knowing it’s here!
Oh the conundrum!
JK Thank you for all the hours of study, preparation, work, and prayer.
Looking forward to finishing this series…tomorrow. 😂
Thankfully there’s 2x speed lol
The spirit is willing but the body is weak (and needs proper rest)
I have fallen asleep listening to Mike more than once.
It's amazing to me the amount of scoffing and anger there is to this teaching, especially to people who probably don't know Winger's heart, hours of deep study, or never even listened to the arguments laid out throughout this series. I think back to the first video and my eyes have been opened to how often I and others have bypassed the Bible for whatever reason, I'm thankful that I now always use that as a check on myself.
Thanks so much for your study Mr winger? Brother Mike? (after the elder/pastor talk I'm not sure how to address you hahaha)
Thanks again!
I was here for every minute! Love this. Thank you. I have a PhD in medical science and am considered highly intelligent. I don’t struggle at all understanding my husband is the head of our household. A 3-pillar biblical marriage is wonderful.
Riveting! From a female(now a senior) as a pagan unbeliever, to an Episcopal religious believer, to a SoBaptist believer. Grateful for your hard, well fought labor, brother in Christ. 🎉
I had a similar track: female atheist to Episcopalian (during the renewal movement in 1980s) to Calvary Chapel and sometimes Baptist. 😀
That's a long road to travel, sister ! Much love to you for following your calling ❤
So not a believer in Christ
I had to shake the dust from off of my feet when I left the ECUSA. Too many atheists and non-believers and Bible rejecters (i.e. the late bishops James Pike and John Shelby Spong to name two examples) for my liking. And Episcopalians do liturgy so well too. Alas
@@monica5379 Yes, to clarify, I am a Believer and a Follower of Jesus, the Christ, my personal Saviour, which has been taught throughout SBC for many decades.
Mike Winger is truly a gem in this world of misinformation 💎
How so? Just wondering
@@user-yb3vf5xt2fbc he condenses a bunch of information and explains multiple angles and the arguments for them. He's also helped break a lot of myths and lies taught by both Christians and nonChristians.
Winger is essentially an egalitarian, because he doesn't understand the created order. Yes, Deborah was appointed as a judgement for the failure and abdication of men. Can a wrench be used as a hammer in a pinch? Yes it can. Is that the intended purpose of a wrench? No it's not. Does God sometimes appoint women to rule over men? Yes he does. Would this have ever happened if Adam never fell? No it wouldn't. It's not a woman's creational function or duty. God makes allowance for women to rule like God made allowance for divorce; "because of the hardness of your hearts."
"My people-infants are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, your guides mislead you and they have swallowed up the course of your paths."
@@matthewdyer2926 did you watch all of the series? He’s certainly not egalitarian.
@@matthewdyer2926nice copy and paste job you have there. Verbose nonsense that is demonstrably false.
Grew up in a patriarchal messed up/abusive household. It breaks families apart- one certainly reaps what they sow in familial relationships.
Thank you for your time and walking us through these 3 views. I am immensly fearful and stay away from patriarchal teachings bc of how easily twisted it becomes. Complementarian sounds based in more Biblical truth. Thank you for a part of God teaching me and calming my spirit over this topic.
May God continue to bless you immensely!
Too bad the bible creates these problems. Great job, God.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
Not the Bible. People. People create these problems because we are sinful and fallen.
@@isaiahmumaw Not just the people that have the holy spirit inside of them who have died to themselves to live out his identity rather than their own. Not just the people that have been supernaturally made into new creatures for Christ. Not just them. The bible. Yes, the bible. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You try to live like the bible, and you get the bible. People just have special pleading for the bible and this God. If a person ever did what God does, they would be seen as one of the worst humans alive. So it's really no surprise.
@@isaiahmumaw The bible teaches you that being an abuse victim is how you can be godly. People are trapped because of the bible. It's an unhealthy philosophy. The problem is certainly the bible. You think if you teach self-respect and equality that you'll get abusive systems that use God as an excuse?
"Complementarian" is patriarchal and just as prone to abuse. It's a sad attempt to rename what it is and make it socially acceptable
I have watched the whole series on women in ministry. Member of the no skip club 😊. I have been watching from the beginning; it is hard to believe it has been two years. I am so thankful to have found a teacher who points to God's word instead of emotional heart strings.
This teaching has helped me when I was leading a Bible study through 1st Timothy and helped me to work through my responsibilities as a pastor in training (I do meet the requirements of an elder).
I have been working through what the authority of an elder is and what it is not. Church hurt is a big issue that deserves its own series, but I'm really excited for Hebrews.
I pray that you and your family are blessed in every way, Thank you.
I can't believe how long it's been since this series began, but we appreciate your hard work on this subject, Mike!
Soft complimentarian is just an egalitarian who wants to call themselves orthodox and avoid the label of progressive. If you truly want to “think biblically” on this issue, it doesn’t require hundreds of hours of research, as scripture is plain, clear, and understandable on this issue; if you want to “think biblically” on this issue, you’ll quickly end up patriarchal.
To God be the glory as we follow His Word. 🙌📖
Thank you so much for all that you do to get The Message out. I’ve listened to your first video on women in ministry and I was hooked! A few years ago, I was asked by my pastor to give a message for Mother’s Day at my church. I asked a family relative to pray, because I felt uneasy about it. She then begins to tell me that she could not pray for me because she didn’t believe that women should be speaking. This fired up a burn inside of me to understand that. I have seen women preach a message and I just felt that I wasn’t equipped to speak. I started googling women in ministry, and listening to different people give their opinion or biblical point of view. I started to see the light. Then I come across one of your videos. I loved how in depth you would study God’s Word and speak of it. I wanted more truth even if it was correcting the sin I was living in. I started searching your page for women in ministry and then I realized you were starting your journey in studying it. I am so thankful for you and your online ministry. I now want to know truth and follow God‘s Word.
I watched it all, over and over to make sure nothing was missed! Thank you for the time, energy, effort, and love you put into all these teachings!
Waiting for these videos has been good practice for waiting for the second coming. You know it’s coming… soon. You must always be ready, because the coming of the next women in ministry video will come at an hour when you do not expect! Then it comes! Yay! Really exciting.
Funny 🤣
Jesus said he would be back soon (before his disciples had gone through Israel) but... nah. He lied.
Hi @lil-al , I believe you refer to Matthew Ch 16. We see it fulfilled in the next 7 verses! How? See here:
Jesus said the Son of Man would come in His Kingdom before they died. Essentially, come in glory as King. He had not yet died when He said this. One would assume He needs to first. Yet...we see different. We see Jesus glorified before God, in a glorified state, with Moses and Elijah before Him. The disciples then ask why the messiah came before Elijah (or so they thought)
So.. does this matter with the topic? It does: Jesus shows Peter James and John a glimpse into the Son of Man (messiah) coming into His Kingdom. A glorified King.
The disciples, seeing scripture, understood Eljiaj comes before the messiah. And so Jesus confirms they are correct - John the Baptist, in the spirit of Elijah.
To summarize, a few of those standing before Jesus saw Jesus in a glorified state as King (Messiah figure), entering His Kingdom seen in the world (those that believe and follow Him). In the end, when Jesus returns in judgement as King, that will be seen by everyone. Not just a few
“It just means what it looks like it means.” Amen. As a woman who grew up secular and with feminist encouragement from my mother, I got saved in my late 20s. God has given me a faith and a worship of His Word and His Goodness to trust that what His Word says is true and good, no matter what that means for my role in marriage or my limitations in serving in ministry. But on top of that, the Biblical worldview of complimentary marriage and male eldership is a unique and powerful edict we all should be passionate to embrace and model for the world because it is a beautiful alternative to man made ideas of egalitarian and patriarchal type systems. Living biblically, submitted to Gods Word is God glorifying and self blessing.
The whole series summed up in one sentence.
I’ve watched or listened since the beginning most videos I’ve actually gone through more than once. This series has been a huge blessing in my life. Thank you for all you . Please never stop the long format.
Love you, brother Mike. This was such an excellent series. I can't tell you how much love I have for you and your team, and your family who share their time with you so that others can be blessed by this hard work.
Clicked on it just to see how long it is 😅 …4 hours, totally doable! Cant wait to dig in. Over several days, of course. Thank you for all your faithful study and putting this all in one place!
After the last 12 hour video, everything seems doable 😂
FOUR HOURS?! Wow, you deserve a medal or something!
Nobody tell em about the last one
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New here, eh?
well 4 hours with some obvious edits (I'm assuming in places where he started "re-teaching" and could refer back to the video #...) so it would be interesting to hear what the whole sit thru time was...
Hello Pastor Mike, I'm commenting because you asked us to comment if we've been with you the whole time. It's a resounding yes from me! I have listened, and read my Bible, and listened again, and reread my Bible, and jumped around in your videos to listen yet again, and am so grateful for the way you love scripture but not at the expense of kindness! I appreciate you and this labor of love. Thank you for your endurance and dedication to end strong. Also, a massive thank you for supplying your notes of each video for us visual learners. I'm praying for your continued growth in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
-Victoria
We've watched them all and discussed a lot between my husband and I and our friends as well. Thank you so much for putting in the work, the humilty, and graciousness.
Pastor Mike, Thank you for your dedication to this teaching and the hard work you have put into it. As an Elder of a local church with a wife who has strong gifts in teaching and desire for ministry - I have always felt uneasy with where to draw lines and what to encourage. By no means do I want to limit unnecessarily but I also want to encourage and support her gifts biblically. Having such a clear boundary on the limits has actually expanded what I am able to support. The clear limits have increased the freedom. Thank you so much!
Now I know why my toddler woke me up at 5am. I'll be able to listen to this for the next 4h straight before I have to get out of the house. 🙃
Thank you brother Mike. I watched the whole episode. Thank you for summarizing everything so well, this is something that I didn’t understand myself. Now I have clarity and biblical understanding to know how to be respectful to the word into the Lord, and how to teach others without overstepping the word. I teach children’s ministry and have a love for discussing the scriptures with others, teaching, and learning like iron sharpens iron. This topic has been so confused by many in leadership, and I was raised with egalitarian as well. When I read the scriptures, I didn’t understand about many different topics, especially this one, the word has been interpreted so loosely in the churches I had attended. I never even thought to question it until I started really digging in a few years ago and and seeing such contentions and the culture just made me dig all the deeper to the word. When I would question those leadership around me did not have clear understanding with how to interpret the word. You have given such in-depth in the word, careful section by section teaching, and given me a rock on which to stand on. Thank you. I am very grateful for your brother and all of your teachings have been such a blessing to me. May God bless you and continue to give you spiritual wisdom and help guide us all in a dark world.
Been here the whole time!!! I have really enjoyed this video series and recommended it to many others and even roped my roommates into watching some with me!
I usually say something like, “even if you disagree, I think you’ll feel respected and trust that he has done significant work with a reverence for the Word.” That’s a huge plus for me in regards to this series.
As a woman who wants to obey the Lord while operating in the gifts he has given, this has been tremendously helpful in guiding my own study of scripture relating to this topic. You’ve truly helped me to be a “bible thinker” 😏😉 Thank You and glory to God for his good creation and creation order ✨
I WATCHED IT ALL🤩 you have no idea how much of a blessing this series have been to me personally, as so many churches in Norway gave up on these biblical truths long ago… it is such a blessing to be able to serve God in ministry (as a woman) with that much more confidence in knowing it’s after his design!
do know you make a tremendous difference with what you do, and may the LORD bless you and your ministry Mike🙏🏼
Thank you so much Mike. I've watched the whole series (most videos multiple times).
I was at seminary during most of this time myself - came as an egalitarian from the Church of the Nazarene, met my husband there, a Complementarian. Honestly thought he was a discriminating a*hole at first because I had never met a complementarian before. And then I got to know him and realized he's actually a very respectful and kind man towards all women. Then I was reading a lot about it, watching your videos as soon as they came out and wrote two big essays/exegesis about Genesis 1-3 and 1Tim 2.
Now we are at a Church of the Nazarene because apart from this topic and a couple other things we agree with them on most things. My husband wants to become ordained as an "pastor-elder" but they might actually not do that because he wouldn't try and get young women motivated and mentor them towards becoming elders. It's really disheartening and we often feel very alone so your series was almost like a comfort for us to know that we're not alone, crazy or discriminating.
Thank you so much!
I suppose they're concerned your husband would make the women feel discouraged and disheartened.
My husband and I have been listening from the beginning of this series. Your ministry is a treasure and I so appreciate the care you take with every teaching and opinion you share.
I think overall this series made me realize that I probably had a “patriarchal” bend to my heart though I would’ve thought I had an Egalitarian bend. It also identified I probably have a lot of prideful thoughts and I hope to take some of these thoughts to positively encourage women in ministry more! ❤
I know this was hard work especially to do it properly. I believe we all appreciate it. I know I do. I really look forward to your Hebrews series! One of my favorite books of the Bible
Hey Mike, I watched the entirety of your women in ministry series. Well done.
I've watched all of this series. Thank you Mike, Sarah and team for all your labor in this effort. It has been a tremendous, encouraging blessing to me. I have sat under several godly pastors who teach the Word diligently. Anytime this topic came up I was always left wanting...wanting more insight and understanding. I often felt like I was getting dismissed or apologized to from the pulpit. I do not begrudge my pastors for this...there is only so much that can be said in a 1-1.5 hour service. But this series has equipped me with understanding and appreciation for the absolute beauty of God's plan for men and women. Thank you again.
Brother, I, my mother, sister and girlfriend have been here since the inception of this series and have eagerly awaited each video and have watched (or at least done our best to) nearly every hour of it! It has been instrumental in how we think about women’s roles/women in ministry!! Your research and dedication to biblical accuracy is invaluable to the body, thank you for obeying the call God has for you!
It's here! Ahh! I can just picture Mike being like, "I just wanna get this edited and out into the world before the next Friday Q&A, before my brain completely fries..." 😅
This is an IMMENSLEY important series, and I'm excited to work through this video. Your approach to the issue makes it really easy for me to recommend your videos. You're clear and thorough, and as a midwestern conservative Presbyterian, I really appreciate your perspective as a Calvary Chapel guy from Southern California. I'll be praying for you and your ministry. You're doing so much great work!
Appreciate your hard work on this whole project. It was a huge blessing and helpful to have thoughtful and detailed commentary on each passage. I listened all the way through and will likely go back and listen again through the years.
I watched the whole series!! Thank you SO much for your commitment to this. My husband and I have thoroughly loved hearing the whole thing. And will continue to recommend to others ♥️
Thank you Mike. I cannot even fathom the amount of work you did in order to provide the other 12 videos and this summary video. God bless your efforts and use this information to at a minimum provoke deeper thinking and study for any who have questions or maybe even disagree. My church (Christian Missionary Alliance) now has a female Associate Pastor and are putting Women as Elders to a congregational vote soon. I feel so sad about the path the church is taking. This video is very helpful to me personally, based on the aforementioned.
I grew up C&MA (now attend a non-denom with historical conservative Baptist roots) and share in your sadness about the current trajectory of the Alliance; I recognize that it's historically faithful to how A.B. Simpson (the founder of the Alliance) was about women serving, but I still pray that God would renew His church through things like this substantive series, as deeply rooted as it is in His Word.
Thank you for sharing your gift of teaching to the Body of Christ!
Great summary of all the hours of work. Thank you. I’ve watched all of them and am so thankful for the hours and hours of study you have put into this. Looking forward to the next study!
So glad you stuck it out to the finish. Thanks for your hard work.
Hey Mike, I watched every minute of this series. You did great and we greatly appreciate all the long hours of study and your willingness to present it all to us without compromise!
God bless your continued work for the LORD! 😊
This has been a marvelous work. I have watched it all and believe it to be very well balanced and thorough series which no one else has even come close to accomplishing. Thank you, Mike! You have untied several tight knots with care, humor, and clarity. You are a gift God is using.
After a thousand, thousand ages, the final women in ministry video has dropped, and I have finally finished watching it! But truly, this has been a blessing for clarity, thanks to all of the hard work that you put into it, and may God bless you even further for it. I have been following this series ever since you announced it, awaiting every video in anticipation. Thank you Mike Winger.
Oh my goodness, I’m so excited!!! Congratulations! I truly appreciate you putting in so much time, study, and work to share this series. What a blessing! May God bless you and keep you. ❤
55:10 Thank you, Mike, for the clean wrap-up! I have been SO looking forward to your teaching through the Book of Hebrews, I already immediately went: "YEAH, AMEN! Soon soon soon, finally!" the very moment at the opening when you mentioned this was going to be your final video of the Women in Ministry series. So now, one hour into the video, I just had to pause and comment and to celebrate again with you. Can't wait, hooray, let"s go!
Thank you for putting in all the hard and tedious work into this humongous, messy battlefield. Thank you for taking your time, digging deep, cutting no corners and mapping it all out and providing all the resources. You have ithoroughly, ntensively and extensively broken the ground for a fruitful research and discussion by anyone who will follow.
The allotment has been tllled for all it's worth, it's done. The faithful gopher may move on to where the grass is greener and the worms are plenty and more delicious than gummy bears. Looking forward to watching you frolick in the meadow.
I watched every minute of the series, just finished at midnight tonight! Thank you so much pastor Mike! So empowering, challenging, and deeply encouraging for me to be bolder in cooperating with my husband and within the church without fear of diminishing the calling and gifting the Lord has placed on my and my sisters' lives.
Thank you for blessing us with all your hard work here. I can't wait for your series on Hebrews, it's one of my favorite NT books and I really want to understand it better!
Wow! Listened to you at the recommendation of Natasha Crain and Alisha Childers, both of whom I greatly respect. I am a Children's Ministry Director and a complementarian. It can work. I am thankful for a church that walks that line well. Thank you for your hard work and in depth explanation.
I just want to say how very grateful I am for all of your teaching. I always learn so much from you both in terms of the content and in how to apply Biblical study and principles to other areas. I know you put in so much work on this series, and i truly think it is a desperately needed resource for the church right now. God bless you for doing it. I also wanted to let you know that I really appreciate you making all of your notes available. I’m blind, and so I appreciate that you read almost everything you are putting on screen, but anytime you don’t, I know I can find it in your notes. They’ve been really helpful to me. I pray God continues to bless you and your ministry. Please continue to boldly proclaim God’s truths. The world so very desperately needs God and his guidance right now.
Only 4 hours? I'm disappointed 🤣
Watched it all (the whole playlist). Incredibly helpful. Love the transparency and “showing your work” style. Thank you for this. I definitely needed the teaching and all of the detail. I appreciate the hard work.
Thank you! What an incredible amount of work has gone into this. I do like your shorter questions and answers, but I love your longer teaching that I can really dig into.
Mike : thanks for tackling the hard stuff that makes my wonderful husband , the Baptist pastor , squirm . You are a blessing to us all ! God Bless your ministry and ou family ❤❤❤
This type of in depth study is so beneficial to the world, you encourage me to think, and teach me how to study scripture properly in order to hear God’s voice through his word. Thank you Mike! Seriously
Hello from Germany! I've been able to watch the entire "Women in ministry" series, and been blessed to learn a lot of stuff I didn't knew about what it means to be a biblical woman and how to put it in to practice. My husband and I are really grateful for your ministry and your humble way of presenting biblical truths in a loving and understandable manner. May the Lord bless you and your family greatly! ❤
I watched it all! Thank you so much for this. The work that has gone into this is immense and I am so grateful!
Mike, this video made me grateful and excited to be a woman.
Thank you for all your hard work!
Funny how people are different, it had the complete opposite effect on me.
I'd genuinely love to hear you articulate how this resonated with you (no snark, I promise). To me this was filled with only limits, only "listen ladies, God just doesn't want your voice to matter as much as men's in the 'important' institutions like matriage and the church, and thats good!" and no vision casting about what good, necessary, and unique qualities women bring to the church. Please help me see a different perspective 🙏
I watched it all and am extremely grateful for all the work you've put into this. ❤
Hi from New Zealand, Mike! What a wonderful job you have done. I've watched the whole series. Today my husband and I watched this final one.
Thank you so much for your work.
I watched it all!! And I'm so incredibly glad I did. Thank you for all the time and energy you spent digging into and teaching on this issue. My husband and I both have learned so much through you and your ministry.
Thank you so much for this whole series!
I have a person in my church (youth pastor, kind of) who thinks the "women be silent" verse is to be applied to the whole duration of service (I hope I'm using the correct term, english is not my first language).
When I asked him how he thinks a woman should share a testimony or prayer request, he said that after sunday service is over, someone says "service is over, now xy has something to share with you all", and then a woman can share that. This confused me greatly, because why would the exact same setting with just a different name make a difference? I kind of knew his view couldn't be right, but had no idea on how to respond to him. Your videos cleared so much up for me!
Now this person is not someone who makes the rules in my church, so no enforcing of something like that, but I have the feeling more people are turning into a similar direction... I hope I can share your videos with some of them
In our culture of insane egalitarianism bordering on matriarchy I can feel myself having to restrain myself from going the complete opposite direction.
A lot of what Mike says about the scripture makes sense, even as I grid my teeth nodding along.
I see Mike as a natural egalitarian that ended up in Complementarianism, and myself a reactionary patriarch moved into Complementarianism by scripture.
If Mike bows to scripture so shall I.
Also respect for having a nuanced view of scripture that will make both extremes dislike you lol, God bless you Mike for what it's worth I think you did well trying to walk the narrow path.
To be honest watching this Mike comes across as a raging feminist who reluctantly conceded a few steps for pragmatism- but is still severely overplaying the egalitarian hand. If women are always looking for the “exception” so they can step up over the men we have a society and church of Jezebels and that’s pretty much where we’re at.
EXCEPTIONAL!! Thank you SO much for this series and for your dedication to researching these hard topics.
I’ve been here for the entire WIM journey! I watched it all. Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication. Your ministry is a tremendous blessing to the Body of Christ!
Book lover here - All these videos and time stamps are awesome, but I would LOVE to have this in book form. I'd buy several copies to hand out! Keep up the great work!!
This is great 😃 Thanks Mike! Baptized in 2022 here!
Thank you for this series! I have watched all of it and even rewatched certain parts. It has given me deeper understanding of the topic and more nuanced avenues of study.
I pray that God blesses many people through this series and that He will bless you and your next study also!
Hey Pastor Mike, I've watched the whole series. Thank you for your dedication not just in this series but in all your other series'.
May God richly bless you and grant you good health.
Pastor Mike, I've watched it all. I"m SO grateful for your hard work and labour for the Gospel, and I believe God is honoured by your faithful stewardship. Your series has helped to clarify questions I've held in tension for years. I have gone back to the Scriptures and reviewed them as you've taught through them and have been so encouraged to see the loving truths left in the creation order and design God has established. It makes me love The Lord more as I see God's heart is for women. I assume my place and role in submission to Christ and my husband with joy and relief. YES, this should be a seminar! VERY valuable.
Watched from the beginning of the series. Thank you for putting so much time into this.
When men and women are viewed as representations of the loving relationship between Christ and the church, the strangeness that a person might feel from this teaching kinda just melts away.
I watched it all. Downloaded all your notes and am working through those as well. Thank you so much for this amazing resource. God bless you, your family, and your ministry
Just finished this final video, and now I’ve watched the entire series. Thanks so much for all the hard work and perseverance, Mike! A job well done!
Mike, Suggestion: You often use the word “rules,” but I think you mean “norms.” Norms set the standard, but can always have exceptions, but exceptions don’t change the norm, that’s why you should use the word “normative.” When rules have exceptions, you have to create a new rule. Your explanations of Biblical standards that are flexible, but nevertheless instructive, but also adaptive would benefit from this usage of “norms” and “normative” instead of saying “rules” all the time. Because you frequently and awkwardly have to back away from the word “rules” because of exceptions. Just say “norms” and “normative” for Biblical standards that are instructive, and have an ideal, but yet are flexible and can be adaptive.
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I'm must admit I'm confused as to why it is ok for a woman to correct a man and teach him theology in private (with authority, if he listens to her, believes & changes because of what she says), she just can't do this in a publicly official capacity? Why not? Why does privacy matter? Why does unofficialness matter? Doesn't God see all?
Hey. From my understanding so far that there is a difference between informal personal Godly relationships and official church authority and title.
1st Corinthians and Timothy was specifically in a church setting. That is what Mike is saying
Mike, thank you so much for your perseverance in making this entire series. I have been greatly blessed by each video and have been encouraged by your desire to remain faithful to Scripture above all else. Keep up the good work! May God continue to bless your ministry and make it fruitful.
Watched it all!!! Can’t thank God and you enough for clarity!!! Thank you for your investment, hard and thorough work and courage! Blessings!
I still have one question that I didn't get answered after this series. Maybe I missed it but I was challenged by a friend when discussing this stuff and he asked me: "what is the fruit of not having women in these positions ?" Thank you Mike! Your work has really blessed me.
There is none
I'll share some initial thoughts reading your comment:
I would say that some of the important fruit of not having women in the eldership role (and having male headship in marriage as well) is the fruit of trust, obedience and having the Bible in it's rightful place of authority in the church (which has an impact on our fruitfulness in general). We would probably also be surprised to see what other fruit can come out of it when God blesses our functioning within His designs. Because if this is true and this is how He has designed and willed these roles - then that is the best way for them to function according to His wisdom.
The issue of allowing women in certain roles of ministry might seem unimportant or "petty", but it's like a thread you start to pull and then realize that the effects and implications may reach wide - to marriages/families, gender in society, the feminization & functioning of the church, and in the end, it also seems like it comes down to the way we view, present and use the Word... is it God's inspired and authoritative Word to people, or is it just the words of people about God?
Just a few thoughts, but I'm interested to hear how others respond to you as well😊
@@lizaridippenaar244 Thanks! I will dwell on these things you've pointed out.
First off, it maintains a division in masculine and feminine roles. Feminism pushes people into masculine roles and, ironically, guts feminine roles of importance. Maintaining the division forces the church to retain its feminine roles which shouldn't be burdened by leadership decisions
Second, you have practical concerns like women not being able to command respect from men. There's a biological order in the world where men are geared towards authority and decisiveness and women aren't. Messing with the natural order only creates problems. And we've seen this with so many female-led churches falling prey to LGBTQ indoctrination
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant,
with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would
strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant,
makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul.
Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications
of elder that he himself put forward.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
If one supports the qualifications of elder, as put forward by Paul, one
MUST also accept that the title/position of 'father' is valid and proper in
Christianity. Since this is also one of Paul's teachings.
But the title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus.
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
A full post on this is available. Paul regarded his position
as 'father' as valid and significant. This was one of his false
teachings.
I really appreciate all you’ve done, but I disagree on the tie breaker. I’ve been happily married for almost 30 years and we make our decisions equally. We’ve never needed a tie breaker. We decided how we would solve disagreements before we got married. We decided if we don’t agree, I pick the house, he picks the car, and we stayed near the grandparents, so no surprise moves and jobs to another state like has happened to my friends. We also decided that whoever got a job with the most money , then a move might be on the table, if the other spouse could stay home on the new salary. Since I made more a few years into our marriage, we were able to stay near family. When my husband wanted apply for a higher salary job farther away, I was in support. So it can work. You don’t need a tie breaker , if you take turns with final decisions. I had a friend whose husband joined the military as a surprise, no discussion. She had to keep moving every few years. This was not because he was out of a job. He just basically made all the decisions. I would have ended up divorced if I had ended up with a chauvinist.🤦🏻♀️
I completely agree with you on the tiebreaker, and also commented on it earlier! Tiebreakers are a completely unhealthy way of solving a problem, and couples that give one person this power over the other are more likely to end in divorce (one stat I heard was 7x more likely!) Why would anybody want to do this to your marriage when you don't have to? Been married 20 years myself, and it's not necessary.
Thank you for your kind comments.
I would have preferred being single if I couldn’t have found such a godly husband who treats me as a total equal. I find it heartbreaking when women feel trapped in patriarchal marriages and wait for the husband to abuse them for years before divorcing.
@@tammywilliams-ankcorn9533 Me too! I'm SO thankful for my husband and the equal partnership we have!
It's still complimentary. The authority thing is like the last straw and you'll only get to that point in extreme cases.
Your husband will be held accountable by God for every activity and idea that sent through your family. Both authority and submissions design is to protect the family. Authority is the one that will be held most accountable for that work.
The only time a godly husband would have a foot down situation is the wife brought in an ungodly or destructive idea, which no highly woman would do, so it's very rare.
For example Adam should have been like heck no, that's why he got cursed more. It wasn't bad that eve brought an idea, it was bad that it was s sin.
I watched it all! Every minute. And I'm so, so grateful for this work! It clarified the beauty of Scripture: it means what it seems to mean, as long as we're reading it responsibly. We don't have to be scholars or history experts to understand how God is telling us to live. We don't have to worry that God said things He didn't mean. It's not all easy to understand, but it's *possible* to understand, to the extent we need to in order to live the way God wants us to, with the Holy Spirit and a willingness to submit to Him. This series confirmed the plain reading of Scripture (and affirmed that God doesn't hide the truth from people just because they don't know enough about ancient cultures or languages), and it answered questions I didn't know I should have asked about my own ministry. Thank you, Mike, and thanks to our good God for His guidance and provision for you to do this so well and to serve us all in this way. Truly a gift.
On getting married, I very much like the Dutch saying of 'hopping in the boat together.' I have always seen it like this. Every boat has a captain, which is the main authority. But any captain that does not accept advise or correction from his first officer/chief engineer/boatswain, will risk never reaching his goal, face a mutiny or even sinking the ship. He will have to take good care of his crew (family) if he wishes a smooth trip and will be able to face storms. No problem if my husband is the captain, as long as he is willing to take advise, especially on matters that others know more about.
That's pretty much what it is. Godly authority is the person that will be held accountable for the group. Everyone is to do their part in keeping the group safe and authority has been given to one person for the work to keep watch over the group (Hebrews 13:17).
It's like a seal of their approval on the idea/activities going through the family, that is been analysed for safety, benefits, major Risks have been solved. Ideas and analysis can come from anyone because you're cooperating with the work of leadership when you bring in ideas Or warnings that could safeguard the group.
So in that sense authority not listening or taking advice from anyone is most likely not aware what their job is, and that it is an assignment they'll be held accountable for. And yes I'll be very afraid of a ship captain who doesn't realise he's accountable for the lives on his ship and their safety is the point of his authority, not how awesome of a ship captain God thinks he is.😅
Dropping this late at night should be a crime!
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No, that was a courtesy to his European listeners, for whom the Friday live is way to late … 😂 … Thanks from Germany 🇩🇪 🎉
And Africa as well.. too late, i am barely able to watch him live on Friday....which means i can't send my question as well😭..from Kenya 🇰🇪 ...@@svytps1299
Thank you for this series! I listened to every one of them be it on UA-cam or Spotify. Keep up your great work in ministry.
Thanks Mike- I’ve finally finished this series of videos. Thank you for your diligence in bringing this series together and for your clear biblical thinking throughout. My wife and I have both really appreciated it 👍🏻
Hi @MikeWinger. I have watched your series on women in ministry and have found 3 questions which remain unanswered and still rather puzzling to me. I'm interested in your responses to them:
a) The WHY. The reasoning behind it... If God designed it this way from creation...Why do wives need to have men as an authority over them? If Jesus is an adequate authority over men (and the whole church), why do wives need an extra layer of authority over them?
b) Why does God place limits on the types of service women can do in the church but not have any limitations for men? How can it be said that men and women have 'different roles', if men can serve in every way women can in ministry (just more)? That doesn't sound like different service, it sounds like limited service (based on gender).
C) Women deacons are mentioned in 1 Tim 3:11 and you conclude that only the one verse relates to women. Why are the deaconesses not expected to have all the qualities that are required of male deacons? Why do male deacons have to be faithful to their wife but deaconesses not?
This seems very strange considering in 1 Tim 5v9 - Paul expects enlisted widows to be a "one-man woman" (the female equivalent of a one-woman man). Why require it of widows but not deaconesses?
Great questions! And re: your 1st question, why do women need extra authority over them if they marry, but if they remain single or are widowed they don't?
Perhaps what is below will answer your questions:
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
@@user-iz8np3vv4iwhat does that have to do with OP’s questions
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Part 10
PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER
THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL
(post not included, obviously)
Conclusion:
Paul referred to himself as a 'father' several times in the New Testament. He
was NOT a 'father' since this position/title was strictly forbidden by Jesus. This
false teaching of Paul calls into question some of his other teachings. Especially,
I believe, all teachings about eldership/pastorship.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i “part 10?” Hate to break it to you but if that was your 10th comment, the first 9 didn’t show up
Only 4 hours? Unsubscribing.
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Your loss...Mike is very thorough in his teaching. His heart is always behind his teachings and God is always his focus...and that's something we don't see much in this world today.
@@illgetitforyou its a joke :)
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I've watched this entire series and have been very blessed by it! Thank you SO much for studying this and sharing your findings in such incredible depth. WOW. Blessings to you!
This was great! I’ve watched every minute and truly appreciate all the work you put into this!
I would rather talk about ,What Men Cant Do. And let a woman present it.
Men can do everything except give birth and sleep with men.