KTM 2020 Enduro - Better than before?
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Is the KTM 300 EXC TPI faster than the 250 EXC TPI? How does the new 150 XCW TPI feel? Here's my test video of the new 2020 KTM Enduro line.
Featuring 150XCW TPI, 250 EXC TPI, 300 EXC TPI and 250 EXC-F, 450 EXC-F and 500 EXC-F.
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great production, keep it up man!
Best bike review ever
One of the better reviews I've seen. Thanks for the content 👍
Very good and precise video, thumbs up for that Quality 👌🔥
luv the 500 !!! and always pretty video to watch , keep going Aleksi
You have done a great job with this review, honest opinions and good information. A lot of the other reviews especially from the magazines are weak without negatives added. Thanks.
Awesome video Alex! Your cameraman is great too!
Honestly, great review man thank you very much. Every KTM review we find in youtube are really sloppy, thanks!
Great review! Honest and relevant to most of us who are not super stars (for a change) good job!
As always, great video! I own a 2018 250xc, non tpi bike. I intentionally didn't buy a tpi, and I couldn't be happier. I am at 98hrs - zero problems. In 2018, a carbureted 250 and a tpi 250 were not in the same class. The 2018 tpi bikes are soft, and that can be ok and good. I have a new 2019 450sx (12hrs) and yes, that bike demands your full attention in the woods. Awesome, but very demanding. Being able to own more than one bike adapting to the polarity of a 250 2t and a 450 4t is awesome and challenging. 2T for the knarly, 4T for the fast. Own, ride, and try to master both if you can!
Greeting! Thank you every time.
250TPI** sounds vintage. Impossible to have one these years
Great Video! great info on all the bikes,thanks.
Awesome to hear that!
I have the new 2020 te300. I had to take bike back to dealer to upgrade the map so that the new sensor would work. I was charged $30 for doing so, 34 days after buying the bike. Heads up. The bike now, runs better because it can handle big elevation drops.
I had mine done last week, 2.5 months after getting the bike and my dealer did it for free. Another dealer told me $80 for the update. Unfortunately even though this update is to fix an obvious flaw KTM will not pay the dealers to do the update. So they either have to charge the customer for it or be out of pocket by doing it for free.
I just bought the 150 last week. I love this bike, I've taken it to all the parks & trails thought were tough with my old bike and this thing is amazing.
What model were you riding before the 150? I'm about to buy one just because my 350 f feels very heavy to me. Like to hear about your thoughts changing from more power to less power but handyer (if thats the case). Thank you!
@@RolanRock I was riding a DRZ 400. Have you considered a 2 stroke? They’re soo much lighter and more nimble for tight trails. You wouldn’t sacrifice power if you got a 300 or 250.
@@TheStackingNerdH I'm actually riding a KTM 350 F (4 strokes). Feels very heavy to me (I'm very skinny). And yeah, I'm realy intrested in moving to a KTM 150 TPI 2021, but there is not much to read about it yet, that's why I'd like to hear your opinion. People just say that doesn't get to rev till infinite as a 125 with carburetor.
Tell me how do you feel with it!!! Thanks very much.
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@@Wolf-lc6vz You?
Great video Those 500’s are always the cream of the crop
i already have 20 mth on the 2020 250 tpi, flipped it more times that i would like to admit - not a single time i got a drop of oil out :) although the "screw" of the cap starts filling with dirt after each ride, so i do clean it after each ride with care .., i put the fan on it after 10 mth, and had the fan turned on quite some times after not such big hill climbs ( all the ambient temp at those times were 20 C and below - so fan is a must)
I agree with the comment you made about the kick starter.
Brilliant video mate.
Great video Aleksi, You make me really want to try the 250f, hearing really good things about it
I would like to say 'DONT buy it' but I also know that it is so much personal preference. I hate 250f, rode it several times. 350 is so close to 250 with engine, but bike is simply another world.
@@nobody2714 Totally agree with you. Trying the bike before buying it is the best investment you can make prior getting a new bike.
I have the 250 xc-f. It sounds way different than the exc model here. My bike makes most of its power on mid/top so a track like the one your one is perfect for it. I added lights and a plate... ultimate woods bike. 220lbs fun.
Great video I like the honest take. Which brand is the best bang and quality for buck between 125-200cc 2T? Beta which was also mentioned as a good option in the video?
The new design is very clean engineering, there aren't a bunch of things jammed together. The bike looks very good, the husky 300 anyways, and it's easily my favorite bike after having 6 new huskies in 4 yrs.
great video ,thank You , my thought more ride , less thinking about change motocycle , more fun . Im owner of fe 350 2015 .but videos of compare bikes awsome . greatings
Wow your driving skills are so crazy 😮
Good honest review
Quality parts as always KTM
Interesting but mine 500 exc '17 grips very well on stock maxxis tyres...great vid btw.
I loved my ktm’s and husky’s I had, but after picking up a 19’ gasgas I doubt I will be looking back at one for while
really lol
Great review ,d
Beautiful 😍
Great bike tests when you include comparison lap times at the end. Thanks!
(*no planets were hurt in the making of this video) :-)
Nice video ;) Thank you
😉
2 stroke oil cap reminds me the pw50 oil system. sad that a modern bike still can't do that right.
I just bought a 2004 200SX and its fun but unpredictable, im a noob and i hope i learn fast, so i can ride like u :)
Zeppenfeld great bike :)
They made big improvements in the plastics. Much more durable and better design with bolts being easier to access. The color though I'm not a fan of. I like white and orange.
Heavy Breathing ❤️😍
i agree aleksi the 350 is the best model i have a 2019 and it works really well but shame on you said you only ride once a week ive been rding three times a week lately and im 70
One rider’s one day a week might add up to another rider’s 3 days a week.
3:38 - I, as well as many agree with you...
If I compared the 4 strokes to the 2 strokes they seem more twitchy and wobbly. 4T feel like more planted and smoother.
Put 250 EXC-F and 250 TPI videos side by side and look the difference!
06:55 - rebound needs clockwise clicks! But these are tryout bikes so, it makes sense.
a 2 stroke 500 cc cross-omologated such as old Honda cr 500 when will be made?
Top video! Like !
U Can put Kickstarter on bike anytime , there is just plug in there to reduce weight
I dig Portugal SixDays edition. Standard models look wack carrots!!
Ugly - right?
@@TorqueDorque I guess it's one of those things that when you spend some time with those ugly ish' standard bikes, then you will slowly get used to the looks.
Jürgen Rohtmets I know, still great bikes and I had one in the past. They are missing more sales by sticking to one color.
i actually quite like the look of them
You put a great review together 👍 KTM make good products, but they don't interest me at all as a company,.
Your video is well thought out and really well presented.
The best alternative to these bikes would be Sherco who include many extra features for less money. Their company is still family owned rather than a corporate giant that chews up other brands and steamrolls over the top.
sherco don't make a true 500 and sherco is linkage rear, not sure about the 6 speed and service intervals but these were all factors in my decision
@@red303dat Yes, that is true the Sherco '500' is a 488cc engine. It makes slightly more power and slightly less torque than the KTM 500.
On the linkage, that's a great thing on any bike. You have a proper rising rate rear suspension system rather than the PDS that it still harsh in action after all these years. If your concern is about grounding out the linkage, there's any number of sump guards that have linkage protection built in.
I'd far rather buy a Factory model Sherco with KYB suspension than a bike with WP and have to spend thousands to make it ride well.
6 speed transmission is proven on the Finke desert race and Dakar, no failures so. Services as per any other Enduro race bike.
Each to their own, there's no bad bikes on the market these days.
Гарний мотоцикл та і компанія в цілому рівних вам немає ви лідер в світі номер 1. Шкода що я не можу собі дозволити його.
Couldn't imagine a 2 stroke without a kickstart think they do allow for aftermarket kits fortunately
Can the 500 ride a motocross track? To jump? And the 690 enduro?
Is the 500 good for the trails. And sand?
thanks bro :)
Bought the 2020 ktm 500 6 days. Can’t wait to get it. Looks sweet. Can’t say I’ll be good at driving it but it looks cool! Nice riding
2 stroke would be a toss up with the 150 or 250 KTM is #1 in R&D Quality/Engineering!
The new subframe is prone to bending and the new plastics may be fun to install at home. Out in the woods its a PITA and only puzzle fans will like them. No kickstart on a smoker...well at least the starter is reliable.
no kickstart is due to a rule in wess and enduro gp which says only one starting method may be installed on a bike
My 2006 525 exc wants to kill me.....and the next gen.
😂
@@EnduroWithAlex i have an 05' 525 and now i bought the 2020 350 exc-f and it is awesome. I dont need the 525 power now that i lost 100lbs:)
I think the 2020 ktm and beta models are the best looking dirtbikes ever made. Aleksi, you tried both. Could you help me decide between both with a honest comparison?
I haven't tried the new 2020 Beta. Sorry. 😞
The erzberg edition looks very cool but the normal design isn’t my cup of tee 😕
3:39 Slovakia gang 😂
infonesia 💕
Aw, no 350 EXC-F :( I'm leaning away from the 450 for the same reasons you recommended the 500 over it, but I'm hoping the 350 will have more of the same ridabiity as the 250.
450/500 models have always had fans as standard. The last 3 generations have had them at least
So which are the best enduro tyres ?
Pena que eu moro num pais de terceiro mundo e nunca vou poder ter acesso a motos como estas
I ride a 200 t2 and really want to try the 150 😍
200 is better 😜
Yes, 200 is much better. It feels more like a "big bike" compared to 150...
@@EnduroWithAlex haha
But fuel injected. My 200 not even E start lol
Realisticly 250 4t is perfect but who buys bikes with there head, ha
Try it you buy it. I would not trade my 07 200xc for a newer 150.
I also don’t like the desing of the new graphics🤔 too simple or something
Then change it? Its cheap so not really a huge problem?
or because orange is flipping ugly. Aleksi's favorite KTM = white! I will never understand why manufacturers think they need to stick to their home colors.
I like it simple
does the 150 tpi get registered as A1 or A2?
taking out kick starters on dirt bikes is the worst idea in the long sad history of bad ideas. What if your battery goes out and there aren't any hills to push it up for a clutch pop?
How.come the 500exct doesn't have the mp sticker on the forks
I ment wp sticker on the forks
Meu sonho🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Better then before😂😂😂😂😂on the price for sure!!!!
Well lap times are close , but what would they look like in tighter woods, or single track ?
True! I guess we'll never know 😉
Why , you can’t fine any single track ? You said your going to test them more. Good lnfo. Like the video.
@@thomastjg53 I don't have any of these bikes accessible anymore. :/
Aleksi Rinne ok that suck. If you do get to ride them again please post. Thanks
i'm too poor in any case XD
It's becoming more expensive every year...
become american (or swedish) and just take a loan. good for economy they say ;)
@@handendaer hehehe, believe it or not i've factured in a small budget from my upcoming house loan for a new dirtbike :D
That just means buy one now before they get too expensive haha!
@@barsaf9989 Yeeeaaaah. Buy new! Its only new for a day or two. Then its worth less and less and less and less very quickly. Then you sell low and Buy NEW! All over again. Ive done it too much.
Genial
Graphics on the Six Days 2016 are the best. And the 2020 orange looks too redish.
Totally agree with you. Like Honda's 😂
what country is this ? poland or czech republic ?
Finland ?
Completely agree, the 2016 is much more nice looking
Minäkin ostin yli neljänkymmenen vuoden tauon jälkeen enduron, KTM 500:n ja kyllä on mukava nähdä, että joku pääsee silläkin metsässä joutuisasti;)
so 250 over 300? thanks
pekne video! Wo in der Europäischen Union kann man mit einem Enduro-Motorrad noch so gut durch den Wald fahren, dass man nicht als Mörder eingestuft wird.
Ich denke, nur Rumänien geblieben
Гарнюній.
Yeaaaah Slovakia design :D at least one reason to Google my country for enduro guys so You might know where it is :D
přesně :D
Es ist wahr und es ist nicht lange her. Ich komme aus der Slowakei und vor nicht allzu langer Zeit konnten wir hier reiten, aber es ist vorbei
I live in Germany and when you said in the Video Beta is cheaper i looked and on the 2020 Modells Beta is only 300€ cheaper. I ride KTM EXC 300 and in my Opinion KTM is much better than Beta. Beta has also a carburettor. KTM Engines are more modern (new) and i like the WP Suspension more. So buy KTM guys
According to the MSRP prices Beta 2020 250 rr is 8799 USD and KTM 250 TPI is 9799 USD. So the difference is 1000USD.
And KTM doesn't even include a skidplate anymore which is mandatory in any form of offroad riding.
The carburetor is more powerful and reliable than the new the TPI engines. That's why the pro's use carbs in certain races. No need to change cylinder&piston in the middle of a race.
The White Power suspension is much better, I totally agree with that.
Well let me tell you guys that in Sweden the Beta is more expensive than the Ktm 😏
@@myridinglife7873 Well, it's Sweden...😂
I ride Beta rr 300, but I like ktm's suspension much more. Next time I am going Orange😀😀😀
@@andrejskamla9736 good choice😁
😶😍😍😍😍
2017 250 xcw the best
they move the kickstart? whyyy?!?!?
save money, reduce weight. what will be next? the seat ?
Beta Is the top
Meh. Im completely over spending 10K on a new bike and settup. Im a trail rider I dont need all this FI et etc etc etc. I found a cherry used 200 and it likes to go fast.
KTMs are a great bike but they are seriously lacking the bling that they used to have. Sherco Factory have the bling and the best looking dirt bike out there . KTM, take note of what Sherco are doing with their looks because you need to pay some attention to the looks of the bike.
Oho Suomi :0
Every time I wanted to buy a dirt bike and checked with a dealer, they seem to try cheating me so I just never buy one.
Yeeeeah I don't like the new design too! It's too much black in the front, looking not that good in my eyes ✌️
I miss the 125😢
Try the 150 and you won't miss it anymore. 😉
I miss 200 :(
their batteries are just, no other word for it, pure shit. cheers mentioning the kickstart at least as in a negative way. unlike 95% of all the other ktm shills saying anything for a free sticker.
Excatly where is the kick starter ? Can't you still order one on the 300 XC ?
Beta gets oil injection a few years ago and people say..
“You better remove that and start mixing gas before it fails”
KTM gets oil injection..
“Oh wow that’s awesome “
🙄
Yeah... Life ain't fair 😅👌
And actually they were right. Beta did it cheap and unreliable. And after two years now for KTM not so many compliants about reliability
nobody meh.. hysteria causes hysteria. Statistically speaking there were no more fails with the OI than any other warranty issue. Sure the diodes they initially used weren’t up to the environment it was put in but that was quickly rectified. No different than an auto manufacturer offering a recall.
The main bearing fails were a supply chain item.. there was a bad batch of them. Shit happens.
OI has been around for dozens upon dozens of years.. it’s not new technology!
@@PennsylvaniaDualSport But did you see this OI system by yourself? Because I have Beta XTrainer and I had a chance to use this 'system' - it is cheap and unreliable, just like I wrote before. The plastic pipes with oil are not even zip tied, when I noticed that this pipe nearly disconnected I knew it was time to take it all off. Others did not do it and now have bikes (just without engine). Bike discharging/not charging after 10h from new - I know it all. I am still happy I bought this bike, but can say that all thing which happened to other people already happened to me as well, including not working speed etc etc. simple facts, not so much hysteria on my side
nobody agreed that there has been some lack of attention to detail. They have no where near R and D team that KTM outsources. I’m not bashing KTM.. it’s just that OI is still fairly new to the Enduro market yet people got all excited for the TPI which obviously includes OI but Beta.. even in 2019 standards.. still gets bashed for it.
I am thankful that by the time I purchased my 2018 300 that I wasn’t affected by any of the QC issues some have had. At 150 hours of being oil injected and still without a kick starter even.. it has never let me down. Hell Im still on the original computer battery! One can only speak from experience so I’m not discounting yours. I’ll say that my Beta dealer here in Pennsylvania is the oldest in the state.. around 10 years or so.. and hasn’t ever had one failed OI come through his door. I like the convenience of not mixing but rest assured.. if it came down to one issue of not seeing that blue puff of smoke come out of that pipe.. I’d be ripping it out too.
Front fork cartridge is terrible and very cheap design , very unstable fork and a backwards step , bikes 10 years ago were better ! Shock design is good but built again to a cheap price and poor setting , both can be made good but at a cost . TPi 2 stroke is still very average and never performs as good as carb - try a well set up Gas Gas or Sherco motor - you will then understand what is good and predictable power - TPi adds weight , complexity and makes for more potential problems and higher running cost because needs tank filters , oil pump replacement etc - if you need fuel economy buy a smart carb for any carb bike - it will be more reliable and more simple or convert your TPi back to a carb - it will be way better . KTM 4 strokes are the best , only cheap suspension spoils them , but nothing on the market is as reliable or runs as good .
I think they need to keep it simple, maybe all the computers and fuel injection keep for the street bikes, my god we are talking about dirt bikes correct?
The bikes have these for fuel efficiency and to meet emissions standards, there will be no 2 strokes released if these measures are not used. Same as the 4 stroke injected bikes being far superior to the carby bikes
Aren’t the 300 15’s and 16’s all around better? I always read about guys blowing their financial wad on MODs when they buy a new bike.
Con un dt 175 lo destrozo
Man your rite those 2stroke sure were a shaky hand full..$12,000+..thats really a joke..and the oil cap ..c'mon man..
Still faster hah it’s crazy what a motor will do to the exact same bike in stability the constant torque and back pressure keep 4 strokes more planted but I have to much fun riding my 300 but still love a good ol 4 stroke why I have both! Definitely throw my leg over the 2 stroke more often
But that oil cap is a joke at this point you would think they would have fixed it! It’s been leaking since the first tpi
They leave things so u have to spend to upgrade or routinely fix/maintain unnecessarily ..classless..even the yz250 x i own ..uses 3 shift forks in gear box instead of 1..i tore it up. At 150 hrs a yz/2st. trait since early 2000s..why dont they fix?.no reason there is no kx ..rm or cr for real competion..or no one would buy yz's..BULLSHIT MAN BULLSHIT..
Sometimes goes upside down lol
Fuck, I am crying because i dont have money to buy this such beautiful bike.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢