2020 KTM 250XC TPI Long Term 100 Hour Review
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2020
- A long term review of the 2020 KTM 250xc tpi. I've got over 100 hours on this bike now and it's performed really well and been relativity trouble free. I share what I like about the bike and a few things that are not so good. I'm still on the original piston and oil pump, planning to replace both around 150 hours. Support PNW Enduro when you shop at Motosport by using this link alnk.to/4fIw6ap
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word of wisdom indeed. thank you for sharing this important tips and ways of a tpi bike. Ride safe buddy
KTM is owning off-road and it shows (GREAT review!!!)
Outstanding and thorough review. Great to hear the bike is holding up well for you.
Thanks! 👍
Nice review and video. One thing I would give much consideration to is a "one tooth' smaller counter sprocket (or 2 tooth larger rear sprocket). In THIS video there was no examples of even needing top gears. Therefore, if most of your serious riding is in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, then the time you actually DO NEED 5th or 6th, the benefits of lower gearing over-all would out weight over-all top speed loses. It would ALSO help with the hardest terrain over-heating and your using mostly 1st gear WITH a lot of clutch action.
Something to consider.
Thank you for the up -dates . I really wanted a KTM 250 xc tpi but with with all of those gremlins i'd rather not take the chance. Yamaha it is !
That's some pretty gnarly single track man.
This is the best review I've seen on the 2020. I got one , im at 50 hours and love it. I do have a buddy with the same bike at 30 hrs and he had issues.
would you recommend this to someone who will mostly hit trails but also hit the track occasionally ?
Definitely! The xc is a great all around bike. I ride single track mountains in the summer and open desert in the winter. Ive got a crf450 but it hardly gets ridden. The 300s are just so fun and controllable!
Good job. thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Glad Suspension Wrex got you sorted out.I just got mine back from them i went with the MX Tech Lucky kit. Just got the sag set ready to ride Sunday hopefully.
Sweet! Mine is so much better now. Let me know what you think of yours after you get some seat time.
Nice review, thank you I'm looking into buying a TPI 250. 👍
great review and thorough info. thanks!
In our area a fan is mandatory!
Perfect tire recommendation!!
@Dale Petersen sounds like my kind of place!
Great bike review , well done. I have the same bike over here on the Island ( Victoria BC ) . As we have the tightest gnarly terrain in the country on this big rock I find that unless you are stuck for a extended period of time on some crazy uphill you do not need a fan for cooling. I find that this bike does just fine for cooling in its factory state. Your dead on with the perfect TPI jetting on the 250. My buddy does have the 300 2020 and it does not run clean . Strange that a huge company like KTM produces new bikes that have this problem.
Thanks. Yeah it's funny how differently these bike can run. Mine runs excellent but the fan will come on (185F) as soon as I get into anything slow and technical. I need to get over and ride on your rock again one of these days.
love the opening trail. Living in Washington that trail is a classic but not for everyone. Can't wait for the borders to open up so I can ride in BC
Yeah, I can’t wait to ride down there again!
That’s good to no for my 2020!thank for the vid👍
Appreciate the bits of wisdom that you shared from your experiences.
Thank you!
Good review- well done
Good info. Thanks mate 👍
Where abouts do you ride? I'm riding an old 250 EXC in the pnw and am on the lookout for awesome spots like the ones in your videos
Have you checked your cylinder compression ?
How does price of fan for tpi compare to price for lectron carb??
What area do you ride! I live on the southern side of Vancouver island, I ride a 2021 xc 250
Was riding chipmunk a few weeks ago. One of the guys had a 2020 husky and his rad hose punctured exactly there way out in the mountains. We couldn't figure out how it happened. luckily there was a fire road and lots of water between us to fill it as we went back.
Yeah it's happened to lots of guys now. I really need to put an extra piece of hose around the stock one at that spot to protect it.
Like see a comparison between your 250XC and your friends 300XC. Thinking about going back to a 250. Wondering how the new 250 compares to a new 300.
Love to hear about this also.
"Never overheated a carbureted engine"? I had to dig mud out of the fins of my 1980 RM250 during a couple harescrambles, back in the day. After cleaning out the mud, I could keep racing, but the newer water cooled bikes that overheated were done for the day. Win for the old air cooled bikes! lol
Love your channel! I have a 2020 xc-w and of course it’s leaking at the PV. What is that 2019 black grommet called? Keep ripping!
"sealing carrier"
Had the same problem as your friend, my 2020 TE300i ran terrible and was frustratingly inconsistent. Sometimes it'd blubber when trying to roll on the throttle like the fuel air ratio was completely lost. Several shops looked at the issue but couldn't ever find or fix it
The dealership even did a full rebuild (I had to pay for it) and if anything it ran worse afterwards. It never ran as good as my friends 19 TE300i with hundreds of hours on the clock. I sold my 2020 300i for a 2020 150i and that bike runs flawless, pulls clean, idles better and sounds crisper. I'm hearing more and more about other tpi bikes that experience hard-to-diagnose air/fuel ratio issues but majority run flawlessly like the 150i I'm on now.
James Koskinen I’m on an 18 TE150 and I’m curious if you’ve ridden the non TPI ones? Mine runs great with an RK Tek insert. I hear the TPI has considerably more torque.
I would highly recommend the 120 size Shinko 525 when you use them. I have used both and find the 120 out performs the 110 noticeably on literally everything. Also the new ones are about 5 durometer softer.
There 120’s last longer too. My mousse fits a 110 though. I’ve got a couple spare irc tires ready to go on now anyway.
@@PNWEnduro I ride virtually the same stuff you do and if you like the IRC that much I may need to try it. hmmm
Nice review! So if you had it to do over again, would you buy the 2020 TPI or 2019 Carb?
2020 tpi.
How many hours do you get out of the nitro mousse's? i have been thinking about switching over for next season. but i heard they one last like 60 hours or so???
I've got 85 hours on the soft rear mousse, it's still fine. Keep them clean and lubed and they will last a while.
Wow 100 hours on a 2020, you been riding!
That's with 2.5 months off for my knee injury and a month or riding the Beta demo bikes in there too.
Great summary of the 2020's. I've got a 2020 300 xc-w with about 150 hours and agree with your assessment. With respect to your buddy's 300 xc "jetting" issue; I had something extremely similar happen. Have him check out the Crankcase Pressure Sensor and the Ambient Air Pressure Sensor. I had no check engine light and after a bit of banging my head against the wall, figured out it was one of those sensors. I ended up replacing both sensors since they're the same and relatively cheap (~$30/ea). Not sure which one was the culprit, but worth the $60 to get it back to normal. This occurred on my bike around the 80 hour mark. PS - Please call the Peace Arch and let them know I'm cool to come up and ride. I'm sure they'll make an exception :)
I think he's tried switching the sensors as they are both the same part number. KTM has a list of stuff for the dealer to try but it takes them forever to do anything (the dealer not KTM). The next step is checking the fuel pressure and volume but the dealer doesn't even own the tool to do it. I'll check with the border lol, sucks for us too paying a lot more for parts/tires right now.
Mine ended up having a bad fuel filter in the tank. Small crack. Ran but horrible.
What are the straps on the front wheel guard and where did you get them?
Enduro straps from @trailbound.co
Your bike's idle sounds a bit low, like my 2020 300 XCW TPI. I have a minor burble on the very low rpm opening of the throttle, that I would like to find a way to get rid of it. How far out do you have your air screw turned out? Mine is out 7 turns, ie max before the screw falls out. I have been considering getting the Slaven's idle screw mod, but they tell me it might not get rid of the burble, so still researching. I'm at 57 hours and have the latest 101 map, hoping for an update that might fix the burble?
Most of the tpi's idle low. I'm fine with it as the bike is not stalling. I have not touched the air screw, it's best to get the idle screw (or make one for a fraction of the price) if you feel like you need to change the idle but I'm not sure it would help with your issue either.
What were your clicker settings before you had the suspension redone? Comfort settings on my 22 250ex seem to work well all around except the real fast stuff.
it's been a while, I think rebound 9 and comp 20. Your 2022 will have different stock valving.
Great video, really appreciate your time and input. I am waiting for delivery of a 21 250xcw and this will be my first tpi. A few years ago I rode a buddy's 18 250xcw and fell in love with the power delivery. I am hoping to tune the new one to match that one, or close to it. I currently ride a 14 300xcw and ride similar trails to you. Do you have any experience the EFI tuners like EJK Dobeck (also sold by JD Jetting under their name) or with RK heads? I went the xcw route because I love the Explorer Fork but will likely need to address low gearing of 1st and 2nd. I milled the head and did carburetor mods on my 300 and was able to drop 3 teeth on the rear and get the gearing to my liking. I hear the tpi's don't like to be messed with so I'm looking for any tips or ideas. Thanks again
I would not want to mess with the tuning on my tpi. Congrats on the new ride!
Second through sixth gear is exactly the same transmission ratio on both the XC and XC-W. Don’t believe me, check KTMs specs on their web site. The XC now comes with a 51 tooth sprocket vs the XC so first gear almost as low as the XC-W, and 2-6 are actually lower.
Thanks for the gearing info
I have both 19 and 20 300 TPI and the 19 is better running bike and NO issues whatsoever. Idles perfectly, runs like a monster and handles beautifully. The 20 is nice but not as good as the 19 and does not handle as good. For anyone out there go for 19 TPI bikes, they are PERFECT!!!!!
Is the rear shock air as well or just the forks?
Just forks.
I wonder if they run hot because they run so clean? No excess oil/fuel to take the heat out.
jmy thoughts when I saw the packing looking a little to clean. Yea I have a 17 carb 250 no heating issues at 50:1. Remember Ktm does this for emissions. I like that I can still control the mix ratio.
Try the fuel filter in the tank, we had problems with our 300tpi an it was a cracked filter in the tank.
Yes, that's what I was thinking it could be. He's still waiting for the dealer to get their act together unfortunately.
@@PNWEnduro How many hours does he have on it? I changed the factory one after the first hour.
Great review. What's the next bike? 21 Beta?
The new Sherco's are looking pretty good...
are you sure this fuel tank is smaller?
Yes, look at the specs online, it’s 1.5 litre less capacity. This is to make room for the oil tank that’s under the fuel tank.
motox mountain hybrid rear tires are good.
How far are you from Everett, WA??? I would love to join in with you up in Canada sometime in the future...not sure how that works with having a WA state license, and offroad registration? My passport is good to go though. Lol Would be awesome if you rode with me down here in the North Cascades too! 🤘💪👊 I currently have no riding buddies up here (Just moved here with my gf), so the more connections the better. Love your channel - subbed a while back...wicked cool content, and stunning views of nature, my man!
@Jonathon Davis if you have current WA registration you are good to ride in BC. It looks like it will be a long time until the borders open up again though. You can also join Washington Single Track Riders Facebook page to find guys to ride with in your area. I am really missing riding in the Cascades this summer.
@@PNWEnduro Well, let's try to link up somewhere between 4-9 months...maybe longer if things get jacked up. I have a new TM EN300ES if you'd like to try too...my wife wants to already get rid of the 2020 Husqvarna TE150i I picked out for her...it's a bummer, but I atleast am blessed enough to have a bike that has been on the top of my wishlist for years. I can't complain too much...it is hers, so she can do what she wants with it, however, I have fell a little too in love with that perfect little, small bore, TPI 2 stroke ripper!!! Lol I'll be perfectly happy if I can score a new 2021 Honda CRF450RX! That's my other dream bike to fill my 4 stroke void! It's gonna be such a powerful machine...don't need the power of it, but I didnt need my modded Hayabusa and GSX-R1000 either. Haha In all seriousness, Honds is coming back for the crown and it'sglory days in the 80s & 90s!!!
Thanks for the advice sbout finding riding buddies!!!! It will be so awesome to ride BC...to be honest, I'd be frightened to go alone due to getting lost and bear populations...and I was a heavyweight kick boxer and MMA practitioner who regularly had bouts all over the place, 8 year US Navy vet etc. and some of the terrain you ride, along with the probabilities of danger from surrounding wildlife (especially bears) scare me deeply. Lol In Alaska I always felt like bears were watching me...sometimes they were! 😯😮😞☹💀lol
Hope to see you later, and I'll be watching every episode you produce! 🤘💪👊✌ Hopefully by the time we meet you could test the TM AND the Honda. :)
would you recommend this to someone who will mostly hit trails but also hit the track occasionally ?
For sure, it's probably the best option for that. A big advantage of the air forks is you can adjust them to different conditions by changing the air pressure. Also the semi-close ratio transmission would be better suited on a tack than other enduro bikes.
@@PNWEnduro awesome! thanks for the reply! also great content. I'm also in the PNW and just went on my first trail ride and loved it
You have to have a spark arrestor but no rego? 🤔. We have to run full rego in Australia, hospital cover.
Rego?
@@PNWEnduro Aussie slang for registration..
Have you experienced completely draining your battery to the point that the bike wont start? These bike dont have kick starters
Never happened in 190 hours with this bike. Same as the last one at 275 hours. Both had zero maintenance to the battery.
What front tire do you recommend?
I've been using the Bridgestone x30, good all around tire. I also like the Michelin Starcross 5 (just not with tubes). Going to try an IRC front next.
PNW Enduro I’m with you I want to try the irc front as well since the irc v33s is so damn good ha
I just can't justify paying 12K for a brand new bike. Then you have to put aftermarket things(fan, guards, etc.) on it and have the suspension worked on. And many people having "issues" with them. I bought a used one that somebody else had to spend the money on to make it the way it should come from the factory, for that kind of money.
Why are spark arrestors required? I've "never" seen sparks shoot out of any dirt bike, ever. Why do I have to pay the Government to ride off road?
Slipping your clutch will do that
I can’t believe people still use tubes/tubeless... i love my nitros
There needs to be an option for us poor folk
There is- work harder, do better.
MusicBox seriously??? I work 60 hours a week providing for my family bud. F off
Yeah you’re right, I’m sorry.
Hilarious I sympathize with bolth of you
KTM needs to remember the ole saying...if it aint broke, don’t try to fix it.
they wish they could have left it but they have got to work around the bloody enviromental issues hence why they went to injection
100 hour long term lol ,let us know when you get 1000 hours on it .
100 engine hours is a good amount of time. Some other "long term" reviews have a bike for 3-4 months but put less than 20 hours on the bikes.
I can tell your left handed @ 7:01...
Lol, GoPro wide angle making left arm look bigger? But yes I'm a southpaw.
10k to buy problems, headaches, an spend more more money...geesh ktm. #no thanks
This bike sucks. I hate tpi worst bike ever ever owned
Buy the 2019 carbed bike you will like it lots lol