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2020 KTM 300 XC TPI and 250 XC TPI Full Review
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2019
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Today I’m going to cover the 2020 KTM 250 XC and 300 XC TPI bikes. I’ve got about 50 hours on these bikes and a few others and now I’ll share my thoughts with you. While they certainly aren’t perfect, the 250 XC is probably my favorite bike of all time. The 300 XC is right there just a touch behind it. Tons of stuff to get into.
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You’re definitely putting out unique content. I don’t want to see a bike whipping over whoops sections, I want to see all there is to know about living with one. This channel has made up a foundational chunk of my education on dirt bikes. Your hard work on the channel is very apparent, and I hope this continues to bring you joy for a long time to come.
I actually like the longer review videos because you try to cover every aspect of the bike and it helps me understand mostly everything about instead of watching multiple other videos
hey man, this is the first video I've seen of yours. thank you for all the effort you put into this video. I love how you rode the bikes for a good amount of time and didn't sugar coat them and gave your full and true opinion on them. stay safe out there and have fun
I really feel like I get a lot of good info about each bike you review. I think it good that your videos are long. Like you said it's a lot of money to drop. Good to have as much info as possible. Thanks!
Kyle, Thanks for all the great info you provide in your reviews! I hope to be as good of a rider as you some day!!
OK listen , I've been toying around with getting back into the whole Dirt Bike thing after a LONG hiatus from the sport. For me this tutorial on the KTM's by this guy is the the best and will be the reason why i go buy a KTM. It's not because i have the cash to do it but i've watched all kinds videos of this bike and for me The KTM has it all minus the kick starter but maybe it's time to see and listen to someone else's opinions on these newer bikes. I'm coming from a whole list of bikes and i'm showing my age ; Harley Davidson 250 , 2 Suzuki RM 400's , Husky 390 and lastly a CR 250. So Thank You to this guy and T he Dirt Bike Channel for simplifying the process for me . I'm looking to having some fun again !
Great review Kyle. Thanks so much. Have a great Christmas and I look forward to seeing who wins that amazing bike!
Some may disagree with this statement but...
I’m a littler guy about 5’8” but any bike I’ve owned. I instantly move the bars a setting forward. This is so it forces me to move up further on the seat when I corner therefore putting more weight over the front of the bike. It makes the front end not push as much in corners👍🏻
Brother, currently looking at the 300. Wealth of info my man. Thank you!! Great vids!
...the quality of your videos is tremendous and so is the sound...very professional quality.....thank you....
Love your videos. I'm getting a ktm 250 2 stroke in 3 weeks. Been watching your ideas for tips and tricks.😁👍
You said they are not perfect, define perfect? I think from your review they are the best bikes ever created up to now. Things like clutches, brakes, and suspensions are damn near at the height of engineering right now, MX bikes came of age in the 80's and we are right there at Culmination in Engineering Evolution, would love to own one, great channel, you have a great channel, and love that you have sweepstakes.
The lower radiators would easily account for the lighter feel. A lower center of gravity improves handling in general.
Nice synopsis. Thx for sharing.
Great review best on you tube!👍 well done. Also what is the helmet in the background looks cool ?
I kept watching i see now most of those shots are the brand new bike. They look great
Hey just wanna say, your content is insanely good. Well done!
hello Kyle ! man, that steaming head you got ( in minute 15:00 ) - that's the coolest minute here ! :-) it shows you sure been working hard on that riding !!! great footage, you guys sure are brave to ride those slopes, i get dizzy just watching the video ! greetings from Israel and MERRY XMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
This is AWESOME! Great review and thank you.
Picked up 2021 version b/c his recomendation, LOVING IT! It comes alive after just a bit of tweaking though. (If you're a newish KTM TPI rider like me, get somebody to help you out)
Getting one, a 2021 250. I want a kick starter as well
I really like your reviews, because of your channel I bought 2019 KTM 250 xcw-tpi. Great bike.
SAME.
I’m going today!!!
I’ve got a spot all picked out for the 300! But the 250 will fill it just fine!!
Love the videos! Big fan !! Silly question, on your merchandise, can your make you items in other colors? Like KTM orange? Lmao.. I’m sure others would also like the option of the color their of bike. Husky, KTM, Kawasaki, and so forth.. I’m not judging.. much respect Kyle !!
So I am interested in the new 2020 ktm 300 special edition. I know you have done a video on the six days edition. Can you tell me a little more about the erzberg rodeo edition? I am curious if they are coming with the new closed chamber forks. I would just like to hear your opinion on this bike in specific. Just wanted to say thanks for the videos and I have been watching them for awhile. I really like the detail you put into your videos. Thanks for your hard work.
Props, best review i've seen on these bikes anywhere. Do you think the the 250 TPI is too much bike for an amateur/novice? I ride sports bikes and have a little MX experience. Looking to get first bike for trail riding and think i'll outgrow the 150 too quickly. As you said it's a big investment (£8,300 here in the UK!) and i'm looking at keeping it long term. Cheers.
Definitely agree all bikes Should have a Kickstarter even street bikes.
With batterys that small they are bound to fail from time to time and having to try to push start it would just be embarrassing
@@2511jeremy My 17te250 I am still running stock battery with 190hrs. Only time I have used kick starter is if really cold like twice in way below frezzing conditions.
@@chrispederson4157 so with only 200 hours you needed your kick starter twice thank you for agreeing with me it should be on the bike
@@2511jeremy Yes only twice just because of very cold temps and li-po battery and might have started with electric start if I would have tried more but figured easier on stuff to just kick-start it.
......and all cars should have crank start......not. I have over 200,000 street miles over 30 years and never needed a kickstater. 40 hours on my YZ250fx without an issue.
Kyle, your head was steaming at 15:05. Love your channel. I race a 17' 300xc and am looking at the 2020. Is there a huge difference making it worth upgrading?
I'm guessing that you haven't had the idle problem. Mine was too slow and would stall .I ended up putting in the slavens idle screw.
I like the longer format. I get burned when your videos are short lol.
Mine definitely needs the idle screw mod, it stalls and idles way too low. Power valve needed to be turned out too. How do you know if the ambient air sensor is working properly? Love the bike.
Kyle if you had to choose
only one bike to ride,
Which manufacturer, 250-300
& model would you choose for
tight woods trail riding?
Mostly rocks & hard clay.
Great review. Hey if you like the ODI but want more cushion than stock grips, I highly recommend the ODI Rogue. I’ve used them in a number of hard enduros and bunch of harescrambles in every condition imaginable and love them. I’m prone to getting blisters and these have done wonders for me. And incredibly durable for such a cushy grip.
Great video and scenery. Where are you guys riding in the mountains?
Thanks for another great vid
Your bikes are super clean, how about a "wash and talk" segment of your routine.
I think he already has one. Check out his other vids
Look Close, hes got the scratches. Slavens has the trailer Queens
Hey Kyle really like your videos just got the bar pad in i ordered from you love the logo not your fault but i had to do some major trimming on the pad to make it fit because i use cycra wrap around hand gaurds but i made it work looks good maybe I'll win one of those bikes but i like the bar pad looks good on my husqvarna te 300
Lyndon E Wright It barely fit on my yz250x I had to modify for sure
Good info,thks.
3 questions. Does the 2017 KTM 6 day come with counter balanced engine? Do the XC's come wired for a head and tail light? What differences do you find between KTM's linked vs non linked rear suspension ? Which rear suspension is superior?? Thanks.
I always see you talk about moving your levers in to not break them but even so if/when you do why not just get some asv breakaway levers? Won’t ever break them again? Seems like a good investment to me
Excellent work, love to ride single track someday!! Any chance of group riding for biggest fans?
Great stuff thanks for sharing
How about a bike cleaning video? Mine gets covered in mud and everything in between, and even after scrubbing it still looks dirty. Also cleaning under the seat where all the electronics are at, how do you clean there?
So you mentioned that turn the power valve screw could have been a way to void the warranty in 2019, did they mention for 2020 that you can’t touch the power valve still? Or are we good to go on playing it it?
How can you unlock the bike so it will continuously be compensating for altitude? I hate having to stop to turn my bike off on a big climb
What is the reason you like the XC versus XC-W?
Thanks Kyle!
How do they compare to the Honda CR 500, Kawasaki KX500 ? Just curious. I'm sure better handing, but power and long legs to run in the open?
You didn’t really go into why you liked the 250 over the 300. I was looking forward to hearing some of the differences between the two.
Was kinda expecting a more in depth view of the differences (riding and hardware) between the 250 and 300
if my bike is running rich down low can i use the air crew to adjusted it
Any pointers on actually locating a place to pick up a new yz250x or ktm 2 smoker?
Is it as hard to find new bikes in stock as im hearing?
Your right....the Orange rear fender is way nicer!
Great info! tnx
You say you hate that they dropped the kick starter but what good it is? If your battery is dead, you have no fuel pressure, no ecu power, exc. Unless your battery is just too dead to start but still enough charge to run the computer and fuel pump, I see no use. Can anyone shed light on this?
How often do you replace your top ends and the oil pumps on your bikes?
Does anyone know if you can still upgrade to 250 to a 300 with just a piston kit? It's my understanding this is the case with the non TPI models. I imagine this would need software upgrades too for the TPI to function correctly?
Just bought a 2022 KTM 250 xcw TPI. Do you have any reviews on that year/model yet?
Nice review !
On the fence of buying one. How many hours do you guys put on a piston? The lean TPI worries me a bit..
How would you compare the 2020. Ktms to the 2020 betas?
hey just curious...what do you think about Reiju Dirt Bikes...i am planning on getting a dirt bike but the dirt bikes found in my region is all chinese brands...Are Reiju any better than those chinese brands like motorhead and crossfire???thanks
My 2011 came with a 14/50 sprocket combo. Wow! 13/51 is very low.
Just got a 2020 today with 13/51 it is WAY too low. Changing to 14/48 will see how that goes...
if they sold it with the spark arrestor they would not be able to import them. Its imported as a closed course bike. I agree with all of the likes and dislikes. I have a 2020 300 xcw. best bike I have ever owned.
eugrules also I think only in America is the a spark arrestor is required
@@stoffle32 And, Its ridiculous, try and start a fire with a two stroke exhaust, I dare you. But that would require an agency with common sense.
They are good bikes but I prefer the husky bikes they give you some extras for just a little bit more like suspension upgrades and handlebars and just some goodies
Do they come stock with linkage guards?
hello, for a 210 pound rider, mid level, would a ktm 250 TPI 2stroke be ok?
hey love the hat i got from u but were are the entries for contest
Hey Kyle, you mentioned you run the air fork much lower than the stock setting (139psi). Just wondering what your base compression setting is when running the psi lower than what's recommended stock
WP valving has always sucked......the Air psi setting (front end sag) is the same as the spring preload (if it were springs) which keeps one from bottoming out not less than 1 to 1.5" from fork foot (and not for comfort), the compression and rebound control the comfort....if you go lower with your preload psi (you better be riding at a slower speed) you'll blow through through the stroke faster ending in disaster (that the compression and rebound can't react accordingly). Think of it this way, if one is a fat ass and they're sitting on the incorrect (too low) shock spring rating, compression/rebound at the shock becomes basically useless and fatass will still bottom out....ending in disaster.
good info. some nice add ons. I know he's riding out west, but there's still some close trees on the single track. I wouldn't ride without bark busters. Those plastic roost protectors will do jack shit if you hit a tree.
Did you ever try the red power valve spring?
Hi Kyle. Just purchased a 300 XC. The dealer is giving me a large discount 1time purchase on a list of parts and accessories. What would you recommend be on my list?
Can you install a built in light in the 250 or no
Does anyone know if these ktm handguards are runnable on the 2020 husqvarna bikes?
Please explain the difference between the 4 stroke 300 and the 300 TPI bikes. Why don't you ride the 4 stroke ones? Are the TPI bikes better then the 4 strokes in your opinion?
Hey great info👍👍. My question is, Does it have enough low end grunt to get my big 230lb butt into a wheelie for a, no run up log hop? I currently ride a 2019 WR 450 F but, i am looking for a lighter bike. In your opinion, would this be a good upgrade. I am in Texas and don’t really do any super hard riding.
Hey Dave, I’m 230 and just bought 2020 300xc tpi. As long as powervalve screw is flush with cases, yes. Mine was cranked in 3 entire turns upon pickup at dealer. It will easily loft logs. It’s fast and linear but in my opinion doesn’t have super mid range. Bottom and top really strong. Mid smooth. The bike will not do anything to surprise you other than handle all terrain perfectly and well composed.
Kyles loves his kickstart haha. Can’t blame him tho it’s just funny.
Does the back rubber fender still wear out the back fork?
Good video been watching a lot of your videos... I just picked up 2020 kayo k6 250..... if you can get hands on one to do review on be cool... I tried look up and all I found is Russian reviews no English ones lol 😂....
why does a 2 stroke need a spark arrestor? can't say I've ever see a 2 stroke produce a spark
Hey Kyle,
Thanks for the video. I really would like to purchase the 300 exc w. But could I buy an xc 300 and put headlight etc to make it recreation reg??
Also I'm a noob when it comes to off road. But am 29 and 100 kgs. So I would like the power. Your thoughts please.
Mojo_Nesar 8 the XC's come with the wiring harness so the W lights will plug straight in but the tail light needs the W rear guard for mounting the light.
Let’s say the battery dies, can the TPI be pushed start?
What are the differences in thee 19 and 20 frames?
Counter balanced is where it is at - plus KTM is spending R&D on 2 strokes along with other EURO bikes.
Where are those trails you're riding? Would love to ride those trails!
Hi mate is this the same as exc here in Oz
I have a '20 Husky TEi 300. The bike pings and rev's on decelerations from high speed (to full brakes). I turned the bike off and let the ambient air pressure sensor re-adjust. Same thing. Disappointed that I will have to spend close to $1,000 on a GET ECU to have this problem solved...Wish I would have just stuck with a FX 350 or 450.
Check with ur dealer mine can tune the stock ecu with his own tunes for free
The 20s do not need to be shut off and recalibrated with the updated mapping. Something is off it should run almost perfect. Take it to your dealer
What is that helmet behind you I love it so much
It would be nice if they came with skidplate but they would come with plastic ones and not everyone wants that, for example my dad has had plastic skidplates on two different bikes, the first one he put a plastic skidplate on didnt even last one race, he has the half of it that stayed on the bike hanging in his garage, the second bike is a dualsport that he didnt plan to ride as hard but when I got older and started to catch up with him he would be forced to push a bit harde and the skidplate has fallen off and deformed itself a number of times now. And also on the first one, he was reluctant to put an aluminum one on because of the noise and the frame has major dents because of it, but finally he put an aluminum one on and there is a gnarly dent it it, if it wasnt there the frame would be no more. I've seen so many times where plastic ones didnt hold up to hard riding and I just wouldn't want to ride without an aluminum one.
I have a strange question... Do the TPI bikes still smell like a 2 stroke?
Late to the party but does do the 150 come with tpi?
Well done. Excellent
Can you run cam2 - 110 octane on these ktm
Bikes ??
Hey Kyle, i had a 2017 ktm 300 xc, put 200 hours on it, 3 pistons never touched the bottom end, , i am east coast canada, lots of dirt roads and atv trails, not much single track but some steep and rocky stuff, i actually went the other way and ran a 48 sprocket and the bike worked well for me, i am more of a 4th gear up rider on the power, even with the gear change i had no issues doing steep stuff, i am a former 450 rider so a little clutch work is no prob on the steep nasty stuff, just sold it, i want a new one, ad cant decide if the 250 is what i want or to go to the 300 again, do you prefer the 250 in more open faster riding? i like a bile with punch, was debating on the 350 xcf, but i am almost 47, still very fast rider, but the 2 strokes dont wear me out like the 4 strokes, what do you think................should i go for the 250??
i bought the 250, for woops or faster stuff the engine characteristics seem better for that type of riding, 300 for first gear and second all the way just depends on what type of riding you do
So what's faster the xcw or xc
awesome trails awesome views
Would love an exact front end on a kdx220....lol merry Christmas!
Kawasaki/Yamaha/Honda/Suzuki all abandoned 2 strokes (Yamaha is selling YZ125/250 from the 1990's but at 2030 pricing - the YZ250 *VIBRATES and that aluminum frame is HORRID* - and the *Transmission on the YZ's is N O T C H Y no full power shifts same crap from 25 years ago*
great video 👍 that dirt bike looks so beautiful I'm really hoping I'll win it🤞🤞
We are all drooling 😉👊✊💨💨
I don't know if you read the comments, but the reason that bikes don't have spark arrestors is because of EPA regulations on manufactures. The factory has to produce a bike that is "not legal" besides on closed courses, because technically 2-strokes are illegal in the U.S. besides on a closed course. To put spark arrestors on KTM's would imply that people can take them on trails.
That logic is twisted. First, 2 strokes are LEGAL in the US. They are not legal to be used in the US Forest, unless they have a spark arrester. The manufacturer does not use spark arrestors because of two main reasons, 1. they are more expensive and 2. If the spark arrester fails to work, the manufacturer could be liable for any fires caused. There is NO spark arrester that lasts forever. BTW, I love your channel, RacerRed!
@@onthethrottle7104 makes sense but a local dealer explained it a lot differently to me. I’m glad you like my channel!!
So what about husqvarna 250, 300 isn't that better then ktm?
I have 5 hours on mine... awesome bike so far!
Do they sell a headlight and taillight kit for the 2020 KTM 300 XC?
Idk but the xc-w's and xc's are basically the same bike for 2020. Might be able to buy xc-w parts.