Resetting my wonky tailstock.
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- This video is about how I re-set and modified my Tailstock using a combination of lathe processes. I’ve tried to describe the process in an interesting way without going overboard on technicalities. Some sections of the video have been sped up to achieve a reasonable viewing time.
In my videos, I show you what I went through while making items, I never tell any one how to do things, because no two people have the same equipment, materials or time.
Not very many videos on UA-cam as complete as this one. You have shown how difficult it is to fix a tail stock that is not aligned with the headstock. Well done and thank you for taking the time to show all the steps. I am sure that many lathes fresh out of the factory just don’t have as good an alignment as you have now achieved on your machine. Every job that you will use the tail stock for now will be so much more accurate and easier.
Metalmogul46 Hi, thanks for you feedback. It's great. Can't say much for the rest of it though.
in my opinion, the best learning exercise to fix the own tailstock I have ever seen. Thumbs up!
Hi, glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching.
Great idea using the engraver for the graduation markings. It's hard enough to get through a complex project, but to layer on the added time and work of filming it as well. Thanks for making this
Absolutely fantastic design and planning, not to mention perfect execution. Well done!
Charlie Myres Hi, thanks for your comments.
Excellent!
Glad to see you back on the channel here in Charleston SC.
Hi, thanks for watching, regards.
What a superb project and result, very much enjoyed watching your workings. The only suggestion would be to have roller burnished the new quill, it very much improves the surface finish and work hardens it too for improved life.
Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you.
Hi, thank you for your feedback.
Sow's ear alright. A chicom pig for sure. It will never make it that long but I wounder how bad it will be in 50 years.
Perfect! This man knows what to do. Fine craftsman!
Hi, thank you for your kind comments.
Well done on the new quill and great vid
Wow. Several great ideas. Especially love the way you did the index markings
Hi, thanks for watching. I’ve got more... when I get time.
Enjoyed this project very much, Great problem solutions and great perseverance through the whole ordeal, I was especially impressed at your method for graduating the cylinder. Also my compliments on flattening the mating surfaces, scraping metal is very daunting until you get your hands dirty and find out how "doable" it actually is. Subbed and enjoyed, cheers!
Hi, thanks for your feedback. It’s all daunting even now, it never gets any easier. I suppose it’s the challenge.
Wow, that’s a great undertaking. That is very impressive. Turned out really, really nice 👍
Talk about nerves of steel, that’s nerves of Iron and some Aluminum too.. 🫡
Hi, thanks, it was well worth it. cheers
Fantastic work, love your perseverance with such a tricky and complicated process.
Hi, thanks for watching, thanks for your comments.
Bloody brilliant! I'm having a "Duh" moment since that is a great way to fix the cheap bench top lathe tail stock!
Hi, glad you enjoyed the video.
I have the same lathe and also the same wobly tailstock witch I allready changed. Your idea however is
going further and I like it very much and will adopt it. Thank you very much for this idea!
Hi, glad you enjoyed, regards.
Good old Banggood. You ordered a tap, that was pretty much holding you up until it arrived, you waited a month, then got the wrong tap. This is why I cannot bring myself to order from them. Maybe European experiences are better, but I'm in the US and have heard many similar stories. Thank you for sharing your tailstock woes with us. Very well done sir.
Hi, thanks for your comments.
Just a suggestion on the quill for holding morse tapers, put 2 set screws on either side of the quill to tighten down on the end of the morse taper. The Monarch lathes have this feature and it prevents the taper from spinning under heavy load.
Yeah, I believe a couple of other lathe manufacturers used to do that. I could have done that but I haven't that much torque in my little lathe. regards
one year ago, more stuff please please. Wet newspaper l will never forget. im a novice w/lil red 7x10 mini lathe. Had their mill 4 years.
Hi, Thanks for watching, thanks for your comment.
Very well thought out and executed! Well done good sir. Very impressive
Once again, impressive craftsmanship! Shock and Aw!
Excellent strategy and work, quite a project, but we'll worth it.
Thanks for sharing.
Superb. I've just found you. It's great to find another UK based machining channel. I've subscribed.
Hi.. glad you dropped by. Thanks for watching..
@@Thesheddweller My pleasure. I really enjoyed how you corrected your tailstock. Especially the method of supporting the boring bar with the angle plate and bearing.
Just discovered your channel. Love this video. I was thinking about just getting a new lathe; but I've decided instead to try to fixup my current lathe (looks similar to yours; they're probably cousins). My tailstock isn't that bad off, but will definitely borrow some ideas here. Thanks for sharing.
Hi, you’re welcome, thanks for watching.
I wish I could like a video more than once!
Cheers.
Yikes sounds like a boat anchor! You’re a brave man! Ok after watching the video you did a great job. Have you seen the tailstock speeder handle that Stephane Gotteswinter put on his import lathe! I think he put an extension on the tailstock like you and cut a rack into the quill, then he put a handle with a pinion at 90 deg to the spindle axis. Much nicer for drilling with the tail stock. The newer schaublin lathes have that design.
I haven’t seen that episode on Stephans site i’ll go and look though. regards
@@Thesheddweller ua-cam.com/video/n1ytS1lhVFg/v-deo.html go to 23:50 but the whole video is great - he is a very clever fellow.
@@sblack48 I’ve watched that episode now and yes its very good what he’s done with his machine. I wished I could afford to do things like that.
Wow! Impressive, thank you. Les
Hi, thanks for watching. glad you enjoyed the video.
That is really nice. You are good at this.
Hi. thank you, I do try. Cheers
Wow for what looks like a nice lathe Im amazed the tail stock is so bad, well done sorting that, impressive!
Hi, thanks for watchching. I’ve now heard of a few people having the same problem with the same type of lathe.
They're a kit. The manufacturers will build to what ever price point the vendor wants. Adding a decimal place adds cost.
Excellent video, thanks for taking the time!
Fred Genius Hi, thanks for your comments,
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Nicely done! Very well thought out.
MisterG Hi, thanks for watching.
amazing skills you are displaying .. thanks for sharing!
Hi, thanks for your kind comments.
Thanks, your skill is invaluable
Hi, thanks for watching.
A very good solution to a poxy Friday afternoon tailstock Sir! Is that a WORCO lathe by any chance? I have a wMT 300 with the milling head attached to the headstock and the tailstock is pitiful to say the least. I'd like at least 60 to70 mm of usable travel and at present only have 45 mm. I'm going to carefully watch his video again several times to see if I have the guts to make a new quill and nut and leadscrew for it. Thanks for making this video and sharing it with us.
SAMRODIAN Hi, thanks for watching. Yes it is a Warco its a wm250v. The most important thing to remember is the line boring bar needs to be plenty long enough, it also needs to be as large a diameter as you can get, but it must be able to freely pass down the chuck tube. Make sure you have all the the items to hand before you strip the tail stock. I would also do my best to get the temporary centre made of brass then when it's used that plenty of anti series oil is used. Have fun.
Very Done You did a superb job .
Hi, thanks for your feedback.
Wow, congratulations on a superb engineering feat. Enjoy the results. Is that chuck an upgrade to the one that came with the machine? If so details please as I have an older WM 250. I improved the toolpost mount and created a carriage lock on mine so far. The electronics in my model also leave a lot to be desired.
loved this video
Hi, thanks for watching.
Great video, nice work
Hi, thank you.
Good job! I'm actually in the same process on my lathe, a boxford sts which prior to my attention probably never had oil given to it. A cheeky question is, would you be so kind as to lend me you line boring bar for a short while? It's the last thing in my list of required tools to finish the job.
Hi, Do you live near burton on Trent?
Regards
@@Thesheddweller Unfortunately not, about a hundred miles away in Hertfordshire. Thanks for you reply, all the best for now.
I was watching the beginning, and listening to the list of 'Items to check/fix'... Is THAT all?? ;-) Nice evaluation!
I kind of wondered, if you broke something, and had to get a new tailstock, would the new one be just as bad??
Now, back to watching.
Hi Lohi Karhu, thank you for your comments, there were 11 items that had to be done before stripping the tailstock, all mentioned in the video. No, I didn't break anything the tailstock was so bad from new it was not doing the job it was designed to do. I believe that buying another one would have been as bad as the old one. Regards.
I enjoyed the video more than you enjoyed making it, so job well done!
Hi, thanks for your feedback.
I have the same lathe and my carriage wheel seem to bind every other turn. I am wondering if you could make a video showing the Apron and saddle taken apart, cleaned, adjusted and put back together
Hi, Elias Akel, funny you should say that, I was thinking of making a very special hand wheel attachment to correct the 18.8mm(indicated 19mm) per revolution and perhaps make a reducer and gear to 10mm per revolution of the hand wheel to increase the accuracy. If I can, perhaps sort a solution to rapid traverse the slide to 40 or 50mm per hand wheel revolution. now wouldn't that be a nice alteration. it won't happen just yet because I'm busy with another topic. regards.
Great work! Were you tempted to do a starwheel/rack and pinion type arrangement?
Well done!
Hi, thanks for watching, cheers.
Have just discovered your channel, you have a wide range of skills including analysis and metrology (and video)
Greetings from Australia
Hi Stan. Ah, but you have to remember 'jack of all trades Master of none’. Thanks for watching.
Great video. I'd like to see your Clarkson tool cutter/grinder as I get one delivered today
HI, Thanks for your comments. I have a clarkson mk1. There were no accessories and a burned out 1phase to 3phase capacitor convertor.
the rest I’ve made. I hope yours has arrive safely. regards.
Nice Job
Hi. thank you , thanks for watching.
nice execution great explanation of your intent and method I noticed a measuring device on your lathe could you tell me something about it and the brand
jim taylor Hi, thanks for watching. I think the item you are talking of is a 'button' it's home made, it is basically a similar shape to a button mushroom, where the stalk is bored to fit the end of a DTI. It is held in place with a small screw. The top of the button is a gentle curve and the sides roll off. It enables a DTI to read poor surfaces without damaging the instrument.
Im looking at blue device that is on your lathe bedway the attached to the apron by the look of it
@@jimtaylor6979 Hi, yes… it is a depth gauge that has been modified to work in either direction. the modification consists of supergluing 3 rare earth magnets to it. two on its back and one in the end of the probe.all you have to do is lay it on any slide and make sure the probe connects to a metal surface...
@@Thesheddweller Hi Nice very clever
thank you for that
nice job ,,, looks good
cheers
Job well done. Very neeeice!
Genius idea!
Hi, thank you, thanks for watching.
....but, other than that, it's a pretty good piece.......lmao....good on you ...you've got more patience than I.
Hi, thank you for you comments,
Excellent work !. I recently bought a very similar lathe (chester db10), I clearly need to.go and examine my tailstock carefully tomorrow!
Dave Smith Hi, I hope that it's in good working order.
Great Video
Hi thanks.
This video needs WAY more press. The tailstocks on these machines are terrible and for months, i've been trying to figure a way to add some adjustability and consistency without doing a scratch build. i think this is the midway point for sure.
Nice job!
Shirosake Hi, thanks for watching.
"Machined with a chisel " It seems the off-shore machines need to be treated as a kit which must be first disassembled, cleaned, then fitted/repaired as required. The price we pay for saving some cash. I really enjoy finding old equipment, built by folks that had care and integrity in their methods. Cheers
Rick Palechuk if you think the tailstock was bad, you should see the lead screw gearing... Here's a taster - the hand wheel is an odd number on the index ring it shows 7.6 per revolution it is supposed to equate to 19mm but is in fact 18.8mm per revolution yet the lead screw is a 2mm pitch... Bonkers.
@@Thesheddweller I've got a Warco 290v new in 2019 & it makes me weep to see some of the crap quality, it look good but the detail finishing is appalling! After nearly 50 years as a Toolroom machinist I struggle to see how some of it was machined, by hand, shaper, chisel, angle grinder?
@@tonypratt1989 Hi, thanks for your comments, so far on my machine I have found the tailstock (now working fine), the main saddle hand wheel is supposed to be 19mm per full revolution (its actually 18.8mm), and today I’ve discovered that while trepaning from the back of the chuck to make the swarf drop down, I noticed the compound slide and the cross slide lifting even though they were clamped…! more work.
@@Thesheddweller I have a DRO [useful but the scale keeps the tail stock a long way from the chuck], I have thrown all the change gears away & fitted an electronic lead screw, magic bit of kit, re-machined the top slide all over & fitted a decent gib. Also have you noticed the inverted vee way on the bed is anything but 90 degrees, why, why, would you do that?
@@tonypratt1989 did you change the lead screw to a ball screw, or did you keep the original screw with your electronic feed. I would agree that the top slide being reset is a good thing. I know that my top slide needs a bit of a going over on my lathe too. I have a fear of the electronics having a wobbler halfway through a vital cut. I know I could make a mistake at anytime giving pretty much the same outcome but I like the mechanical link. Its an age thing. ;-)
Anther way to skin cat is Hard Crome the quill and OD grind the quill to fit the tail stock and etch the marks and numbers .
Hi, fantastic idea, but the bore was also crooked.
Veri nice Work
Hi, thanks for watching
Brilliant !!
Hi Alan, you're going to embarrass me if you carry on draping all that praise on me like that..... second thoughts... thanks... I know. 😀👍
How is the extension piece assured to be true with the bore of the line bored tail stock? Another line bore operation?
Hi, thanks for watching, the extension has no bearing on the quill, it was drilled through with clearance in mind.
Are you from Nottingham by any chance?
Hi, Burton on trent.
@@Thesheddweller the land of Marston's pedigree 👍My uncle worked at RR Derby back in the day. I was brought up nextdoor to RR Hucknall as it was then.
@@chrislee7817 I’ve flown in and out of Hucknall a few times.
I live just up the road from the marston’s brewery.
@@Thesheddweller by chance do you ever do machining jobs for people? I'm building a ducati Supermono (Chech it out) I need to make a rocker box for it.
@@chrislee7817 I do make, one off, items for cars or bikes, mainly vintage or classic and usually parts that can't be obtained anymore. www.thesheddweller.com has a direct connection to my email address.
Could you not send off for a new tailstock from the manufacturers?
Hi, It was new, it just wasn’t very good. Another one was likely to be as bad because it would not have been true to my lathe slides or head. These items are supposed to be married components.
What type of lathe is it?
Hi, the lathe I have is a generic chinese lathe from Warco wm250v model
@@Thesheddweller I've got a small Chester lathe but I think it needs a lot of tlc to put it right. Looks just like yours hence the question.
Thanks for all the content 👍
nice!
Hi, thanks for watching.
Wow.
Hi, thanks for watching. glad you enjoyed
mine god cuz, above my pay grade but thanks mister.
you’re welcome
Bad ass
Hi, thank you. cheers
36:34 Proost! 🍺
Hallo, bedankt voor het kijken .. Cheers.
You covered 10 items to address the problems now number 11 purchase a new decent Lathe.
the lathe I have is good enough for anything I need. but watch this space. regards
@10:00 FOCUS YOU @#%&!
Hi, thanks for watching. I agree, the focus is a bit manky at times, but I can’t see what is happening in the camera monitor very well because it’s so small and it,s the only camera I had. When the shot is done, it’s done, I can’t go back and reshoot.
@@Thesheddweller Have you tried yelling at the camera? it seems to work for that crazy Canadian guy
Superb workmanship btw.
@@axeman2638 Camera will probably fall off its stand if I do its only a cheep chinese made camera (I know I shouldn’t say “cheap Chinese” because it mostly does what I want and it owes me nowt).
First problem is that toy lathe is junk
Hi, thanks for your comment👍 see my FAQ’s on my web site www.thesheddweller.com about junk lathes
@@Thesheddweller sorry, that was a bit harsh
@@quickturn66 I do understand, i have been promised a Colchester student but I can’t move it.
@@Thesheddweller what's the issue of moving it I've moved my 1440 lathe and a few Bridgeport's. We even moved my friends Bridgeport down a flight of stairs to the basement. We take off what we can and use a long pry bar to get some 1 inch stock under the machine (several pieces) and can push the machine along as the bars come out we pick them up and feed them back in front, like the Egyptians. We use ramps and the same rollers and a winch to get it on the trailer. Two winches working against each other to get it back on the ground. If you're clever enough to fix that tail stock you should be able to move a lathe, I'd like to help. If I lived close I'd help you get it done. I'm spoiled with my prototrak Bridgeport, 1440 lathe, hardinge 5c collet lathe ect. but I had to fight for them and move them myself actually twice because we moved.
@@quickturn66 Hi, err, it’s my fault really, because I can't be bothered to Hire a drop tail truck, I have a gravel drive from the garage to the workshop, 50m long then I’ve got to take the side off the the shed to get it in there, aaand I’ve got to cut the floor up and reinforce the foundations… thats a lot of work, for a ‘rather nice lathe’. oh, and I’m a pensioner with limited funds.
You need a better lathe something like a small colchester or harrison or maybe a boxford
Hi, Thanks for your comment. you're so right trouble is, I’m a pensioner and I only have limited funds available. :-)
I happen to have a Harrison M250. I got it used and it's in remarkably good shape. I use it almost every day and it has served me well. However, I live in the middle of nowhere and there's no 3 phase electric available here so I had to build my own rotary 3 phase conveter. That one made me think a lot, and do a ton of research, but I nailed it and has been serving me well for over 2 years now. Cheers.
@@onestopfabshop3224 Hi, both of my grinders are 3Phase and I bought a 3phase converter from Machine mart for about £350 thats proven to be quite good too.
One look at that casting is the reason to NEVER buy an import machine. If you have to scrape something in it might as well be taking the wear out of a 50 year old QUALITY machine. Bloody awful sure describes chicom machinery. - Nice paint but not worth more then they weigh at the scrap yard.
Hi, Agreed.. but being cash strapped doesn’t help.
Sounds like that lathe is made in CHINA.
It is made in china, its a bit hit and miss in places but overall it does its job.
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Hi David, there’s a few very good reasons why my first few machines were Warco machines.
I’m a Pensioner and can't afford to buy better known brands, after I had purchased the first three machines Lathe, mill and band saw, I decided this was false economy and purchased used machinery, Shaper, grinder and some work holding devices. Yes, you are right, but there are many people out there that are less fortunate than me.
It's the never ending argument British/European used [abused?] vs new Chinese machines
Short version: don't waste your money on a chinese lathe.
Hi, thanks for watching. Please see FAQ’s at www.thesheddweller.com
@@Thesheddweller I was in Axminster Powers Tools several years ago, when a customer came in to complain about the £1400 chinese lathe he had bought there. He produced the tailstock, and showed everyone the underside. It was a rough casting, completely unmachined!
@@trialen Hi, yes they do miss a a thing or two.