Yes, especially when I am beat and then I stick my money in to confirm my read and lose LOL ...but I guess I get to brag about how I called the exact two cards as I hand out my money
Yes, definitely use reads. Some days they are right on. Other days - drawing a blank. I know which is the case either way. When I am not getting a good read on my opponents, that's what poker fundamentals are for, i believe.
I cashed in the Milly Maker a couple of years ago because of a live read. I raised with QQ UTG on day 2 before the money, button called, BB called. Flop KJx two clubs. I continuation bet (maybe I shouldn't have), button thought for a minute, made this hand motion like "whatever" and shoved for more than my stack. BB folded. I tanked, but eventually decided mostly on the back of my read that he didn't have a king and I called. I was right, he had A9cc. Nothing like being right and having to fade 12 outs twice! lol. But I did fade them, got a much needed double up, and made the money, eventually losing a race with KJs vs 99 aipf.
Patrik is my all-time favorite poker player. He seems to play EVERY SINGLE HAND with the determination of every fiber of his being to make the right play. He gives away NOTHING! He wades into very difficult situations with NO FEAR. To the extent that I try to model my play on a role model, he is my role model.
I’ve not watched a lot of actual live poker outside of family games and when my grandfather put the bigger games on tv growing up. However after gaining a little more interest in becoming a degenerate gambler as an adult and watching some high stakes hold ‘em, this guy to me sticks out to me as having an all time great poker face. If I had to play him live under any circumstances, I don’t know how I’d get a read. Also have yet to see a clip where he gets totally bombs a hand
Yes, of course, anyhthing that helps. In this hand, how much reading can Carrel actually do? Antonius did a monster read. Carrel just tried to bluff him possibly on a read that Antonius doesn't have a monster hand and that Antonius possibly called with a draw on the flop.
I think the problem with the smiling as a reverse tell is PA is astute enough to maybe pick it up and now has more data than before, ie he thinks “he is trying to look more relaxed.”
Reverse tells are great, except that here you can see he’s trying too hard to look relaxed, his eyes are rolling around uncomfortably and his smile is not genuine, it is a rigid smirk, it’s just his lips contracting up but no relief in his face, you can see he’s uncertain of his decision, plus who is he smiling to? He’s not looking at anyone, more like rolling his eyes around. Very sus, and when you know the guy, he loves to outsmart everyone and he couldn’t resist doing it to Antonius. Still a great call though.
I thought it was funny he started the hand all cocky and confident and by the turn appeared really passive and weak, wonder if Antonio had that read. Seemed ironic the kid is trying to read Antonio, failed completely and gave off reads himself.
Live reads are definitely real. Even when you can't put it into words your instincts can detect BS if you practice enough. I try to balance between live reads and general theory. Sometimes I deviate with my instincts, and other times I call because I know I have to even though I believe them.
I ran a pawnshop for five years and it strengthened my bullshit sensor and also being able to bucket people types and tendencies a little better. Instinct is definitely a huge factor or part of the puzzle. Antonio is a dude I would never wanna have to bluff lol.
@DonTrump-sv1si the point of GTO is you can't exploit live reads so it won't help you. Luckily unless they are cheating no one can play perfect balanced GTO.
Heya Jonathan - awesome channel, great analysis. I have paused right after Carrel shoves the deuce .... and I'm "old-school" as well (lol) .... to me, on that board specifically, with the action as played (especially the weak flop lead) .... that river shove reeks of weakness ("reekness", lol). If a .... just under half-size Patrick-stack bet had been output instead (into Patrick) ... would that not be a lot more difficult for Patrick to make the call? Laying a bet that size into the mix could cause Patrick to change his line back onto "...perhaps he DOES have 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s?" instead of "...hmmm, why would he jam the river with 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, etc" would that different bet sizing not cause Patrick's noodle to screwoodle? edit: reading my own analysis .... it also makes that river shove possible as even something below the 6 (5s, etc). that would also bing pretty loud in Patrick I'm guessing?
I think it was a decent bluff also. With a blocker to 78. But like you said, a small quarter to third size bet on turn then Jam river would have been best most likely
I felt the all-in shove bluff would have been much better if it was done one hand earlier - after the turn card. He could have represented a straight or two pair. It became way too bluffy in the river, especially as the deuce was a nothing card.
@@HughJohn-s1n Hate these people speaking about blockers all the time. These things are so marginal and people are trying to make it look like they're so big deal.
I don’t play a ton these days and never aspired to be more than a profitable amateur, but at $1-2 and $2-5 at new tables I’ve had a ton of luck with reverse tells vs seemingly decent and perceptive players that probably don’t give me credit for that. Not with my words, usually subtle stuff like sitting back in my seat when I’m drawing, blankly staring at the runout when I hit. Sometimes on bluffs when scare cards hit I’ll kinda badly fake think before betting big, maybe a nonchalant “I guess I’m all in” Not expert stuff vs expert competition or anything, but think it’s a nice edge vs decent opponents at a game you’re new to that haven’t caught onto you yet
Playing the social game is absolutely an advantage. I’ve forced fold by acting and talking in nitty manner, and gotten people to call me at other tables by acting like a donkey. As long as you play right for your table game you gain an edge, the level of that edge is higher in the lower level games however
Live reads are iffy. If you pick up a stong tell and have them verified, then use them. Otherwise your better off to do hand analysis and figure out what the bluffs are and use that over some mythical "live read". But these guys are a whole level (or ten) better than I am, if they can do it more power to them.
I think there is merit in doing those types of things but how effective it is will be very dependent on the situation, and one's ability to read a situation/opponent that it's a good time to start trying 'reverse tells' or whatnot to manipulate an opponent. I have literally heard people say at the felt many times 'I wasn't going to do X but then they did this....' So people are affected by their opponent and therefore there must be something to it. However, I think it's +Ev to focus on and practise other aspects foremost, I.e. putting a player on a range of cards or being good with pot odds/bet sizing than all this 'reverse tells' stuff.
Preflop Charlie: “look at him mean to show I’m tough…” Flop Charlie: *does an unconscious check* “nobody noticed, I’ll bet fuk it :p” Antonious : “i see right through you >:)” Turn Charlie: “duuuhhh check” Antonious: “hmmmm” River Charlie: *gulp* “fuk it all in” *proceeds to go on defense with hands to face for soothing comfort* Antonious: “hmmm…I want to snap call but I have to be sure….call” Owned Charlie: “fuk”
I would be much more inclined to call Charlie in Patricks situation because of how he is staring him down and then laughing after going all in after checking the turn.
Was the loosey goosey smiley manner after the bluff not an elementary tell. If Patrick picked it up, perhaps it's not the face melting call that y'all think.
Especially if you are the type who just senses others emotions then why not use it. My grandma has it heavy as do I, I've noticed it in my mom aswell. My dad and sister aren't really like that. Was just talking with my grandma how mentally draining a workday can be when someone is in Very bad passive-agro mood and it just sticks to you instantly and it is so hard to get out of. Especially if you have to come by them frequently. So if you have that it will ofc help in the table because it also helps to just notice very quick from small things stuff because you have associated that atmosphere to whatever emotion. Someone is lying, having a bad day, good day, is proud, is worried or whatever it is. I don't know if that's partly separate but I've noticed I'm good at reading people aswell in general so it's hard for me to say how much they go hand in hand (like it's more so frustrating because usually you notice stuff that does in time become clear you were right, but if you point it out loud too soon people say you read too much into it and later on don't even remember you saying it). I have also noticed that especially on video in mass people are horrible at reading people, atleast based on comments. I don't know if they don't factor in the situation of cameras and what is the videos motivation etc. but people take so much stuff pretty much backwards when they see something in a video and the clear one is not yet the mass opinion. People like attach some info of the video into the emotion to make a totally wrong call. As an example when the Baldwin shooting happened, I said as a first thing that it's 100% the armorers fault and people hardly get how many hats title of producer can mean (I just anyway am a cinephile). So there was the video where his wife was yelling to the cameras to leave him alone and I'm like seems reasonable.. dude just unvoluntarely killed someone.. no matter how much hating Baldwin it is not his fault an armorer brings live bullets into the set.. Even if it was his fault it's pretty standard and protective for a wife to defend propably a scarred in shock husband from people surrounding him. Well the comments didn't think so. Also it seems to me like people have very hard time noticing manipulation thru video, that might also just be a lot about not being able to be objective for being a fan of someone. Still even when spelled out what makes it suspicious they just don't see something not making sense. So yes ofc live-reads can help if you are solid with it and can separate like overall stuff, like the persons base-mood from the hand going on.
Carrel was just looking for a highlight reel clip of successfully bluffing Antonius in a live setting. He had to know it would be hard to get one through after that turn check, but the potential payoff in reputation was pretty huge and made it worth it. If Antonius folded, this would be an even more famous hand than it is already. And since it did end up making Carrel poker famous in the end, it paid off for him too.
It came down to reads . The shove in the river didn’t make sense at all . The only Patrick was probbaly worried about either a set or Jx hand . Set would probably not checked the turn . Good call from Patrick and smelling the bluff
Don't play much anymore but I tended not to follow my live reads much and I was usually wrong... wrong in not using them, because using them sparingly means you are more selective on how strong those reads are.
He might be smiling but it doesn't look confident to me. I think you nailed it when saying he should have bet on the turn if you wants to continue story but after not betting on the turn and now jamming, Patrick is thinking what does he have? Nothing makes sense. If he had a Jack or a 9, he might have kept on betting and if he had two pair or trips he would have been better and like you said, with 4 to the straight he might have continued. But what's so is it up for me is the shit eating look on his face says, he's BS ing and feels he'll get caught.
I’m no fan of Charlie. Even so I think it’s suicide to make this play against Antonius. He’s one of the best ever and STILL at the very top unlike some of the “old school” players.
There are some players with such accurate live tells, you dont need to look at your own cards even. Look at Agassi v Becker, Becker use to think Agassi could read his mind, lol. He just had a live tell on his serve.
Giving off false tells is risky business. Doing it too often is suicide, once a player figures out what you specifically do, to attempt to influence their action in a particular direction. Overbluffing a spot is overbluffing a spot, and playing too loose/aggressive is playing too loose/aggressive. Good luck getting someone to fold with false tells, if you're playing and jamming too many pots. More often than not, you will level them into thinking it's at least a coin flip, and they'll call due to pot odds, even on an overbet. Inducing a call when you have a value hand, is actually easier, at least for me. And when it stops working on a particular opponent, then you can bluff them. My advice is to be really aware of what works on a specific opponent, and to stop doing it for quite a long time (with some carefully chosen exceptions, for balance) after you get caught. Once both you and they know that you have some ability to level them, and they have some ability to know you might be leveling them, it becomes more of a mind game than a GTO issue. It helps to know how they play rock/paper/scissors. It helps to know what they do after black comes up on a roulette wheel 4 times in a row. Are they the sort of person to then bet on black, or on red, or be unaffected by what happened on previous spins? I'm not suggesting you play roulette to find out. Just steer the conversation to that, the next time someone else at the table talks about a gambling strategy against the casino. Sports gamblers give up a lot of info about their thought process also. Will they bet against their favorite team, or stick with their natural tendency to bet on them? Will they bet against them hoping they win but not by the spread? Etc.
I don't go looking for live reads. I use them very infrequently, but sometimes people are silly. The Old man reaching for a pile of chips, then check/staring you down, for example. Can't pass up that one.
My dream hand in poker is not an all-in situation. I make a hero call with the absolute worst hand possible after a huge river bet, knowing my opponent is bluffing and knowing he/she will snap muck their cards and I scoop the pot without needing to showdown against their cards! Now that would be a read on an opponent, don’t you think?!?! It’s just a dream of course
"Patrick has 3rd pair in position, absolutely cannot fold this"..... this is why I'm not a great poker player. I can come up with 30 reasons to fold that 🤣
If I'm the one shoving, I look at the center of the table where the cards are and I don't move until my opponent makes a decision. If I'm the one that has to make the call, I will do some body language to try and get my opponent to react (like reach for chips then count them, or put my hands on my card or pick them up like I'm going to toss them to see if I can see my opponent sigh, etc)
@@PokerCoaching I mean, Antonius made his bones online & Phil was NKOTB when the real old school players (T.J. Cloutier, Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, Chiao Jiang, David Chiu, Barry Greenstein, etc.) were winning absolutely everything.
I think statistically speaking people don’t make closer to optimal decisions with live reads versus without. I think they remember the times their “read” was right and forget the times it didn’t.
If I tried to bluff Antonius I would atleast make it beleivable. If you hit the Jack on the flop out of position after raising pre flop and betting the flop small then you are not checking the turn because any Q, K, or A is a scare card out of position and the turn is the last chance to get any value. If you hit the 9 on the flop in Charlie situation then you are most likely checking the river and hoping to get to showdown after checking the turn or planning to check call. When he goes all in It just isn't really beleivable he has a j or a 9 the way he played it.
Taken from a guy that enjoys peering, deeply into the eyes of a bluffer, I'll make you squirm in your seat, "smile all you want, you know you done eff'd up,,,, I call that bs," with an effortless flip of my chip into the pile,, oh my God he just looked soooo uncomfortable... 😅
am I the only person to who this betting line of carrel doesnt makes too much sense? I mean he reps His nutadvantage, is it a valid line to make this line with an overpair to balance?
Yes and i am pretty sure If he wants to go for a bluff he should fire 3 barrels... the line he took with 84o is bad with this specific holding. He want to leverage his range advantage to the max.
This is an easy call after Carrel checked the turn and shoved the brick. Even 34 would have bet the turn. So literally no hand make sense here apart from a weird hand like 22. If Carrel had bet the turn small and then shoved the river that would have surely made Patrick think a lot and probably fold. But here it is relatively an easy call.
I think the fact he is Asian should of played a role in the decision. The rich Asian players are just multimillionaires who love a gamble. These guys gamble their shops and mothers on poker. I always take the race of a person when playing live poker.
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Do YOU use live reads at the poker table? 🤔
if it takes my opponent x amount of time to use his reverse tells then he probably has it.
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Yes, especially when I am beat and then I stick my money in to confirm my read and lose LOL ...but I guess I get to brag about how I called the exact two cards as I hand out my money
Yes, definitely use reads.
Some days they are right on.
Other days - drawing a blank.
I know which is the case either way.
When I am not getting a good read on my opponents, that's what poker fundamentals are for, i believe.
I cashed in the Milly Maker a couple of years ago because of a live read. I raised with QQ UTG on day 2 before the money, button called, BB called. Flop KJx two clubs. I continuation bet (maybe I shouldn't have), button thought for a minute, made this hand motion like "whatever" and shoved for more than my stack. BB folded. I tanked, but eventually decided mostly on the back of my read that he didn't have a king and I called. I was right, he had A9cc. Nothing like being right and having to fade 12 outs twice! lol. But I did fade them, got a much needed double up, and made the money, eventually losing a race with KJs vs 99 aipf.
Patrik is my all-time favorite poker player. He seems to play EVERY SINGLE HAND with the determination of every fiber of his being to make the right play. He gives away NOTHING! He wades into very difficult situations with NO FEAR. To the extent that I try to model my play on a role model, he is my role model.
Patrik is cold blooded. Always
So I shouldn’t try bluff you when you flop bottom pair.
@@BasedMirror-gv9pr He played well but he was boring for tv poker.
You should strive to be better than him
I’ve not watched a lot of actual live poker outside of family games and when my grandfather put the bigger games on tv growing up. However after gaining a little more interest in becoming a degenerate gambler as an adult and watching some high stakes hold ‘em, this guy to me sticks out to me as having an all time great poker face. If I had to play him live under any circumstances, I don’t know how I’d get a read. Also have yet to see a clip where he gets totally bombs a hand
Carrel trying to make a read staring down Patrik always makes me laugh like you're not getting anything buddy
Antonius is a huge legend!
That "what took you so long" was a pretty good one :)
Gotta love Patrik. Thanks for sharing this one.
Ben with the "What took you so long" xD
Yes, of course, anyhthing that helps. In this hand, how much reading can Carrel actually do? Antonius did a monster read. Carrel just tried to bluff him possibly on a read that Antonius doesn't have a monster hand and that Antonius possibly called with a draw on the flop.
I think live reads, at the very least at low stakes, are probably extremely valuable.
I kno at 1/2 a lot of guys wear their hand right on their face
I have met Patrick at Whole Foods on Charleston in Vegas. He is very polite, gracious, gentleman.
True Finn
@@itsgoodiewoodie yup
I think the problem with the smiling as a reverse tell is PA is astute enough to maybe pick it up and now has more data than before, ie he thinks “he is trying to look more relaxed.”
Reverse tells are great, except that here you can see he’s trying too hard to look relaxed, his eyes are rolling around uncomfortably and his smile is not genuine, it is a rigid smirk, it’s just his lips contracting up but no relief in his face, you can see he’s uncertain of his decision, plus who is he smiling to? He’s not looking at anyone, more like rolling his eyes around. Very sus, and when you know the guy, he loves to outsmart everyone and he couldn’t resist doing it to Antonius. Still a great call though.
You just repeated what he said with more words😂
Charlie has the nervous look of a man who just realized the joke was about him. He's trying to give reverse tells, but is just embarrassing himself.
I thought it was funny he started the hand all cocky and confident and by the turn appeared really passive and weak, wonder if Antonio had that read. Seemed ironic the kid is trying to read Antonio, failed completely and gave off reads himself.
Live reads are definitely real. Even when you can't put it into words your instincts can detect BS if you practice enough.
I try to balance between live reads and general theory. Sometimes I deviate with my instincts, and other times I call because I know I have to even though I believe them.
I ran a pawnshop for five years and it strengthened my bullshit sensor and also being able to bucket people types and tendencies a little better. Instinct is definitely a huge factor or part of the puzzle. Antonio is a dude I would never wanna have to bluff lol.
@DonTrump-sv1si the point of GTO is you can't exploit live reads so it won't help you.
Luckily unless they are cheating no one can play perfect balanced GTO.
@DonTrump-sv1si you can exploit live tells against others who use live tells. But if a guy is playing perfect GTO there are no live tells.
@DonTrump-sv1si if 2 people play perfect gto there is no exploiting. It would come down to who gets dealt better hands.
Live reads work with fish. But against players like Patrick or Dwan, you’re more likely to influence them to do the opposite of what you’d want.
Heya Jonathan - awesome channel, great analysis. I have paused right after Carrel shoves the deuce .... and I'm "old-school" as well (lol) .... to me, on that board specifically, with the action as played (especially the weak flop lead) .... that river shove reeks of weakness ("reekness", lol).
If a .... just under half-size Patrick-stack bet had been output instead (into Patrick) ... would that not be a lot more difficult for Patrick to make the call? Laying a bet that size into the mix could cause Patrick to change his line back onto "...perhaps he DOES have 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s?" instead of "...hmmm, why would he jam the river with 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, etc"
would that different bet sizing not cause Patrick's noodle to screwoodle?
edit: reading my own analysis .... it also makes that river shove possible as even something below the 6 (5s, etc). that would also bing pretty loud in Patrick I'm guessing?
I'm only doing live reads if my opponent is eating oreo cookies.
Pay that man his money
Absolutely!
So many players out there that you can get info from
I think it was a decent bluff also. With a blocker to 78. But like you said, a small quarter to third size bet on turn then Jam river would have been best most likely
I felt the all-in shove bluff would have been much better if it was done one hand earlier - after the turn card. He could have represented a straight or two pair. It became way too bluffy in the river, especially as the deuce was a nothing card.
Blocker wtf 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@HughJohn-s1n Hate these people speaking about blockers all the time. These things are so marginal and people are trying to make it look like they're so big deal.
Very decent bluff because he is blocking 43 and 78 like you said. And for those who think blockers are irrelevant...... 🤪
@@ignaciopiedra1598 no one said blockers are irrelevant. Like here it was just marginal. Why do you lie? If you from the USA, 100% Trump voter
My absolute favorite player. What a stud
The man who never ages!
Patrik always seems to have a great idea of where he stands on every street of every hand he plays. Truly one of the best..
I don’t play a ton these days and never aspired to be more than a profitable amateur, but at $1-2 and $2-5 at new tables I’ve had a ton of luck with reverse tells vs seemingly decent and perceptive players that probably don’t give me credit for that.
Not with my words, usually subtle stuff like sitting back in my seat when I’m drawing, blankly staring at the runout when I hit. Sometimes on bluffs when scare cards hit I’ll kinda badly fake think before betting big, maybe a nonchalant “I guess I’m all in”
Not expert stuff vs expert competition or anything, but think it’s a nice edge vs decent opponents at a game you’re new to that haven’t caught onto you yet
Playing the social game is absolutely an advantage. I’ve forced fold by acting and talking in nitty manner, and gotten people to call me at other tables by acting like a donkey. As long as you play right for your table game you gain an edge, the level of that edge is higher in the lower level games however
Very obvious Charlie is bluffing! Antonius is a legend!
What took you so long?
At 5:22, did Charlie look to check and look for a reaction before going all in?
good catch, looks like angle shoot for sure
I noticed that. Looked like an angle.
Live reads are iffy. If you pick up a stong tell and have them verified, then use them. Otherwise your better off to do hand analysis and figure out what the bluffs are and use that over some mythical "live read". But these guys are a whole level (or ten) better than I am, if they can do it more power to them.
Who are the two commentators?
Some guy and Lex.
Jeff Gross and Lex Veldhuis
Once the Terminator goes that deep in the tank, you can fugettaboutit!!! 😆
Livereads and livetells are a huuuge part of my pokergame. Its one of the things that makes me a winning player live
i think Carrel want to represent Pocket 99s/JJs/55s or 78 suited but unfortunatelly for him Patrik puts him on Q10 or something ...
I think there is merit in doing those types of things but how effective it is will be very dependent on the situation, and one's ability to read a situation/opponent that it's a good time to start trying 'reverse tells' or whatnot to manipulate an opponent. I have literally heard people say at the felt many times 'I wasn't going to do X but then they did this....' So people are affected by their opponent and therefore there must be something to it. However, I think it's +Ev to focus on and practise other aspects foremost, I.e. putting a player on a range of cards or being good with pot odds/bet sizing than all this 'reverse tells' stuff.
There is merit but you have to have a system and on analyzing live reads at the table and it takes time develop.
Preflop Charlie: “look at him mean to show I’m tough…”
Flop Charlie: *does an unconscious check* “nobody noticed, I’ll bet fuk it :p”
Antonious : “i see right through you >:)”
Turn Charlie: “duuuhhh check”
Antonious: “hmmmm”
River Charlie: *gulp* “fuk it all in”
*proceeds to go on defense with hands to face for soothing comfort*
Antonious: “hmmm…I want to snap call but I have to be sure….call”
Owned Charlie: “fuk”
Live reads is an essential part of poker. Reading your opponent and forcing them to make mistakes is real poker.
Most of that move of Carrel 100% is a freaking bluff!
I would be much more inclined to call Charlie in Patricks situation because of how he is staring him down and then laughing after going all in after checking the turn.
It depends on the "level" of your opponent and the how far are you from the math
Was the loosey goosey smiley manner after the bluff not an elementary tell. If Patrick picked it up, perhaps it's not the face melting call that y'all think.
The effect on live reads depends on your opponents.
Especially if you are the type who just senses others emotions then why not use it. My grandma has it heavy as do I, I've noticed it in my mom aswell. My dad and sister aren't really like that. Was just talking with my grandma how mentally draining a workday can be when someone is in Very bad passive-agro mood and it just sticks to you instantly and it is so hard to get out of. Especially if you have to come by them frequently.
So if you have that it will ofc help in the table because it also helps to just notice very quick from small things stuff because you have associated that atmosphere to whatever emotion. Someone is lying, having a bad day, good day, is proud, is worried or whatever it is. I don't know if that's partly separate but I've noticed I'm good at reading people aswell in general so it's hard for me to say how much they go hand in hand (like it's more so frustrating because usually you notice stuff that does in time become clear you were right, but if you point it out loud too soon people say you read too much into it and later on don't even remember you saying it). I have also noticed that especially on video in mass people are horrible at reading people, atleast based on comments. I don't know if they don't factor in the situation of cameras and what is the videos motivation etc. but people take so much stuff pretty much backwards when they see something in a video and the clear one is not yet the mass opinion. People like attach some info of the video into the emotion to make a totally wrong call. As an example when the Baldwin shooting happened, I said as a first thing that it's 100% the armorers fault and people hardly get how many hats title of producer can mean (I just anyway am a cinephile). So there was the video where his wife was yelling to the cameras to leave him alone and I'm like seems reasonable.. dude just unvoluntarely killed someone.. no matter how much hating Baldwin it is not his fault an armorer brings live bullets into the set.. Even if it was his fault it's pretty standard and protective for a wife to defend propably a scarred in shock husband from people surrounding him. Well the comments didn't think so. Also it seems to me like people have very hard time noticing manipulation thru video, that might also just be a lot about not being able to be objective for being a fan of someone. Still even when spelled out what makes it suspicious they just don't see something not making sense.
So yes ofc live-reads can help if you are solid with it and can separate like overall stuff, like the persons base-mood from the hand going on.
Love that Patrick owns that pedo-defender
insane call! What a player!!!
Carrel was just looking for a highlight reel clip of successfully bluffing Antonius in a live setting. He had to know it would be hard to get one through after that turn check, but the potential payoff in reputation was pretty huge and made it worth it. If Antonius folded, this would be an even more famous hand than it is already. And since it did end up making Carrel poker famous in the end, it paid off for him too.
Charlie is clever!
What does fame give you though in the context of poker? More invites? Would that happen because of one hand?
@@nihlify Why do people want fame? I don't know. They want it though. Look around.
Good luck reading it or “manipulating” Patrick. That dude is such an OG stone cold killer. I feel like he’s so intimidating to play against.
Matey was looking for his 5 minutes of fame & was made to look a bit of a twat.
It came down to reads . The shove in the river didn’t make sense at all . The only Patrick was probbaly worried about either a set or Jx hand . Set would probably not checked the turn . Good call from Patrick and smelling the bluff
I think he just picked the wrong dude to f**k with
Don't play much anymore but I tended not to follow my live reads much and I was usually wrong... wrong in not using them, because using them sparingly means you are more selective on how strong those reads are.
TOURNAMENT ON THE LINE
Absolutely reading tells is the super power of Antonius, Ivey, Negreanu, to name a few.
Oh boy, Patrick looks hungry.
Charlie looked creepy and uncomfortable to me.... glad pat saw through his bullshit...
He might be smiling but it doesn't look confident to me. I think you nailed it when saying he should have bet on the turn if you wants to continue story but after not betting on the turn and now jamming, Patrick is thinking what does he have? Nothing makes sense. If he had a Jack or a 9, he might have kept on betting and if he had two pair or trips he would have been better and like you said, with 4 to the straight he might have continued. But what's so is it up for me is the shit eating look on his face says, he's BS ing and feels he'll get caught.
Pocket 22 makes some sense...
Carrel propably learnt from this hand not to battle with psychos 😂 huge respect for both but specially Patrik, greetings from stone faced Finland
Yes , love live reads
Patrick Was Right in The Middle of The Poker Boom Golden Era
Hell yea.. Hellmuth, Daniel, ivy, Antonius, Ferguson, those guys made modern poker what it is today. That era around 02-07
I’m no fan of Charlie. Even so I think it’s suicide to make this play against Antonius. He’s one of the best ever and STILL at the very top unlike some of the “old school” players.
Patrik is the MAN! My favorite player of all time.
There are some players with such accurate live tells, you dont need to look at your own cards even. Look at Agassi v Becker, Becker use to think Agassi could read his mind, lol. He just had a live tell on his serve.
"Has an over-card to the six." lol
Against a top pro like Patrick I believe acting calm and chatting after a big bluff is plus EV. Against your standard $1/$2 player it doesn’t matter.
Tough to get in there and battle and bluff with someone like Antonius or Phil Ivey
Giving off false tells is risky business. Doing it too often is suicide, once a player figures out what you specifically do, to attempt to influence their action in a particular direction. Overbluffing a spot is overbluffing a spot, and playing too loose/aggressive is playing too loose/aggressive. Good luck getting someone to fold with false tells, if you're playing and jamming too many pots.
More often than not, you will level them into thinking it's at least a coin flip, and they'll call due to pot odds, even on an overbet.
Inducing a call when you have a value hand, is actually easier, at least for me. And when it stops working on a particular opponent, then you can bluff them. My advice is to be really aware of what works on a specific opponent, and to stop doing it for quite a long time (with some carefully chosen exceptions, for balance) after you get caught.
Once both you and they know that you have some ability to level them, and they have some ability to know you might be leveling them, it becomes more of a mind game than a GTO issue. It helps to know how they play rock/paper/scissors. It helps to know what they do after black comes up on a roulette wheel 4 times in a row. Are they the sort of person to then bet on black, or on red, or be unaffected by what happened on previous spins? I'm not suggesting you play roulette to find out. Just steer the conversation to that, the next time someone else at the table talks about a gambling strategy against the casino. Sports gamblers give up a lot of info about their thought process also. Will they bet against their favorite team, or stick with their natural tendency to bet on them? Will they bet against them hoping they win but not by the spread? Etc.
I’ve made good use of table talk a few times.
I don't go looking for live reads. I use them very infrequently, but sometimes people are silly. The Old man reaching for a pile of chips, then check/staring you down, for example. Can't pass up that one.
Exactly!!
Wait, so Patrick is playing just a lowly 20bb stack?
My dream hand in poker is not an all-in situation.
I make a hero call with the absolute worst hand possible after a huge river bet, knowing my opponent is bluffing and knowing he/she will snap muck their cards and I scoop the pot without needing to showdown against their cards! Now that would be a read on an opponent, don’t you think?!?! It’s just a dream of course
"Patrick has 3rd pair in position, absolutely cannot fold this"..... this is why I'm not a great poker player. I can come up with 30 reasons to fold that 🤣
If I'm the one shoving, I look at the center of the table where the cards are and I don't move until my opponent makes a decision. If I'm the one that has to make the call, I will do some body language to try and get my opponent to react (like reach for chips then count them, or put my hands on my card or pick them up like I'm going to toss them to see if I can see my opponent sigh, etc)
and a sigh means what?
Old school vs clown school.
... and you know that Carrel won the Triton in 2019? You clown?
Antonius is such a focussed god
I use live tells about %5-10 of hands
One of my favorite people to watch lose hands.
Charlie Carrel always has luscious locks.
Live reads are great, I play online though.
Fun to watch the hand. Just super annoying having this little guy in the top right of the screen come in every now and again interrupting the video
Excuse me, but Antonius does NOT qualify as "old school", neither does Phil Helmuth.
I didn't think they would count as dinosaurs, but maybe you are right. It is 2024 after all.
@@PokerCoaching I mean, Antonius made his bones online & Phil was NKOTB when the real old school players (T.J. Cloutier, Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, Chiao Jiang, David Chiu, Barry Greenstein, etc.) were winning absolutely everything.
Charlie laughing seems more nervous to me, albeit im in a comfortable seat to judge
Charlie looked nervous when he grabbed chips the first time. I know you are saying he was loose but a relaxed player blinks he was wide eyed af
Maybe, but I see a lot of players looking like they have a stick up their arse, regardless if they are relaxed or not.
Live reads are absolutely killer and are completely unavoidable, its just hard to train yiurself looking fkr them
I think statistically speaking people don’t make closer to optimal decisions with live reads versus without. I think they remember the times their “read” was right and forget the times it didn’t.
I disagree. You don't have to be right for a live read to be optimal, you only have to be more right than wrong, which I believe the best is.
I like the hand where Patric calls an all in with just a pair of deuces for his tournament life.
OG poker player Patrik
If I tried to bluff Antonius I would atleast make it beleivable. If you hit the Jack on the flop out of position after raising pre flop and betting the flop small then you are not checking the turn because any Q, K, or A is a scare card out of position and the turn is the last chance to get any value. If you hit the 9 on the flop in Charlie situation then you are most likely checking the river and hoping to get to showdown after checking the turn or planning to check call. When he goes all in It just isn't really beleivable he has a j or a 9 the way he played it.
Durrrrr is a live read master
NOT solver approved (confirmed)
What took you so long ? 😅 what a slow roll by Patrick 😅
So basically you shud always check the turn and then jam all in when you have the nuts against Antonius.
checking the turn and going all in with a blank river -_-
Taken from a guy that enjoys peering, deeply into the eyes of a bluffer, I'll make you squirm in your seat, "smile all you want, you know you done eff'd up,,,, I call that bs," with an effortless flip of my chip into the pile,, oh my God he just looked soooo uncomfortable... 😅
This call was fk’n sick
why shove? Bet a pot or close to it - it hurts Antonius enough to fold a third pair
Live reads is what its all about.
New school was obviously putting on act to try to distant his nervous weak energy and also using the time bank twice was to get that out of him.
Leave those OG'S alone. lol
am I the only person to who this betting line of carrel doesnt makes too much sense? I mean he reps His nutadvantage, is it a valid line to make this line with an overpair to balance?
I mean, did you watch the video?
Yes and i am pretty sure If he wants to go for a bluff he should fire 3 barrels... the line he took with 84o is bad with this specific holding. He want to leverage his range advantage to the max.
This is an easy call after Carrel checked the turn and shoved the brick. Even 34 would have bet the turn. So literally no hand make sense here apart from a weird hand like 22. If Carrel had bet the turn small and then shoved the river that would have surely made Patrick think a lot and probably fold. But here it is relatively an easy call.
I think the fact he is Asian should of played a role in the decision.
The rich Asian players are just multimillionaires who love a gamble. These guys gamble their shops and mothers on poker.
I always take the race of a person when playing live poker.
Jonathan are you the guy who was taking creepy photos of women without their permission?
Use live reads sometimes. Often use my own words and body language to get my opponents to make the wrong play.
Patrik never gets outplayed