Just remember that patrick and ilari were good friends in high school and that they learned each other poker so must be quite a bit of history between those two :D
I'm always amazed how a move that would be considered donkish by an amateur suddenly becomes a well thought out play when a top pro does it (even if it is against Sahamies).
does anyone have any videos of that other finland guy - the internet player?? alli seem to find are clips off e.g. full tilt - does anyone have more videos like this? i wanna see hwo good he is!! thanks
On the flop Antonius had 12 outs (don't forget someone had K8) for roughly 48% chance to hit one of his outs which he did (the 6). When the turn came, he now had 8 outs for roughly 16% chance but he didn't hit. I don't think he was that far behind and from what we can see, I think he was very short-stacked (compared to Sahamies at least) and he probably just gambled it.
Watching it again 2 months later, I think this is a bad play. Ilari re-re-raised, would he really do that with a flush draw? Especially because Ilari must know that Patrik would have odds against a flush draw and call. I think Patrik just made a mistake.
You don't get it, do you. Patrik puts Zig on a flushdraw, i.e. Jc6c, Ac7c. Even if Zig has two live overs (KcTc) Patrik is still about even money. He doesn't give Zigmund an 8 or a set = he's drawing live in any other scenario. Finally -and probably most important- he has 15K+ in already and he wants to protect it. If Antonius does anything wrong in this hand, it is the initial raise to 15K imo. I may be wrong, of course.
He has 4 outs after flop, not 12. 5 outs, if you don't count the folded 8. After turn he has 11 outs and 23 percent, not 8 outs and 16 percent. However, on the turn he has many cards that will give him new draws, so he will still have about 26 percent to win after flop.
I don't know the exact order but with Antonius betting and the other guy still in, I don't like 98 in that position. Maybe Antonius was going with his odds or something of that nature. I'm sure there's something he saw. Anyway...I want to watch more of this table. Very raw footage...everyone looks pissed and unshaven. Down and dirty Euro poker baby!
@ 3:15 he says "I played it like a set" and he points at Tony G, had me in fucking hysterics hope i'm not the only one who noticed/understood that. Zigmund is the man :D.
Lol, do you know who his opponent is? Antonius has known (and played against) Ilari for almost 10 years. They know each other's game really well. "Ziigmund" might've been pushing with a straight draw or a flush draw there. He's a pretty wild player.
Ilari said "lol" at 5:34? ... Lol :D and what else was he mumbling? All nations have their "accents" when speaking English but even being Finnish myself, I find it hard to understand wha these two are saying.
I give a lot of credit to Sweden. There is no Finnish pokershow featuring top Finnish players! But anyway professional poker isn't so hot here and I like it that way. Gotta love Patrik. He did nice job at HSP season 4 too.
@cardcoursecom that strenght could be, in zigmunds case, also straight/flush draw and agianst them was PA favour, he knows that zig doesn't have a set so he can be drawing pretty death against 8/5 8/3 but he assumed, zig wouldnt play pf like that, so after little speech he "whatever" shoves.. zigmund is pretty sick to play any draw like that PA knows that
@ReallGeizzzzt Phil Hellmuth said that on WSOP 2008 :P. What's wrong with northern europe (I am from sweden) I think we got really good players from here :)
Zigmund and PA have played together for years. This is not a $25nl game online. Zigmund would make this play with nothing and with a flush draw. Yes its a high variance play but PA knows that Zigmunds knows that this is a decent flop to make a play if he has nothing, so his rage isnt just flush draws and sets, ohh and 2 pairs :-)
Yes you don't fold a coin flip.But my point is Pat's hand really isn't that strong,top pair with a mediocre kicker,you saw the guy with 9,K fold his hand.Chances are he's beat or it's a coin flip at best.He won't be making that move with air.I think the deciding factor may be he's kinda low on chips..might started off with 100k and hes with less than 50 when the hand started
@shhhhhhQQ Lol. No you're not. First I thought how dare he steal a man's line right in front of him. But then he points to Tony and says "you know it". Great Stuff.
Can we please stop debating the meaning of "vafanculo" ? It means "Fuck you", end of story. This doesn't mean that Patrick directed that at anyone at the table, because nothing was said to cause that. He probably mumbled this to exclaim his frustration. Does Antonius look like someone who'd be afraid to say it loudly and to the face of the other guy?
i calculated the odds of winning with 2 pair here against any given hand: Hand 0: 82.752% Hand 1: 17.248% as you can see it obvious who will win most cases here.
Patrick Antonius could wipe his ass with $100 bills if he wanted to. I agree he certainly played this hand poorly, but I don't think he is going to miss 47k.
patrik comitted himself not a bad call in the end, just bad 15 raise. he knew ilari didn't have a set. so he had outs and had just to put in 30 more in a 52 k pot.
I'd love to be a dealer for one of these big cash games, Antonius gave her a $50 dollar tip lol.. i wonder if they gotta split it with the other dealers cuz im assuming that the room they're playing in is a hotel room lol
btw whats hilarious about this hand is they attempt to table talk in English lol and they have a hard time understanding each other.I mean wtf they are both Finnish!!! Just speak that.And Ziigmund looks absolute devilish,he should be the next Bond villian.
"thanks buddy" HAHAHAHA Ziigmund is the nuts
+Jackson Lenhart They are buddies, they started their poker careers playing with each other a lot.
antonius is such a great and respected player :) he doesnt talk bad or anything at all, respect :)
Just remember that patrick and ilari were good friends in high school and that they learned each other poker so must be quite a bit of history between those two :D
Yes but ilari is broke, patrik is not 😂
The power of the top pair! 🤣
Bring us one more patrik…
'i thought u had a flush draw, but just doesnt feel like it' - what a legend.
Lol, anyone else get the joke "I played it like a set" at 3:25 when he points to Tony G and says "you know it." classic :D
This is the European version of exciting poker. That was the longest 7 minutes of my life.
on your bike son!
I'm always amazed how a move that would be considered donkish by an amateur suddenly becomes a well thought out play when a top pro does it (even if it is against Sahamies).
"On your bike son... a few laps"
Tony G is god.
does anyone have any videos of that other finland guy - the internet player?? alli seem to find are clips off e.g. full tilt - does anyone have more videos like this? i wanna see hwo good he is!! thanks
"Whatever happens, I played it like a set."
do you know wut a min-raise is? because there wasn't one in this hand.
is there a full video of this episode on youtube?
wierd seeing these 2 talk during a hand
what kinda strategy is that limping 35o from the cutoff?^^
On the flop Antonius had 12 outs (don't forget someone had K8) for roughly 48% chance to hit one of his outs which he did (the 6). When the turn came, he now had 8 outs for roughly 16% chance but he didn't hit. I don't think he was that far behind and from what we can see, I think he was very short-stacked (compared to Sahamies at least) and he probably just gambled it.
Don’t forget…he was getting very good odds?
Huh…?!?!
I’m getting very good odds!!!
What cash game is this?
It's unbelievable, it's a very live hand, this hand. Ya know, "The Power of the Top Pair."
Who tf names their kid "PokerZen87"?
Is the whole game on youtube??
was that a 15k min raise?
what is yurr kiiickerr?
Why is that?
This is one of the first videos on poker i have ever seen
ok
wtf was zigmund doing with 35 anyways from the beginning :D??? He is a huge super donk imo
classic tony g. 'on your bike, son'. so classy.
I agree with you. Ilari's like, "Watch me, I'm so fucking cool". He's funny actually!
Watching it again 2 months later, I think this is a bad play. Ilari re-re-raised, would he really do that with a flush draw? Especially because Ilari must know that Patrik would have odds against a flush draw and call. I think Patrik just made a mistake.
btw why do they speak english i thought they were both from finland
You don't get it, do you. Patrik puts Zig on a flushdraw, i.e. Jc6c, Ac7c. Even if Zig has two live overs (KcTc) Patrik is still about even money.
He doesn't give Zigmund an 8 or a set = he's drawing live in any other scenario. Finally -and probably most important- he has 15K+ in already and he wants to protect it.
If Antonius does anything wrong in this hand, it is the initial raise to 15K imo. I may be wrong, of course.
are those dollarbilla fake?
He has 4 outs after flop, not 12. 5 outs, if you don't count the folded 8. After turn he has 11 outs and 23 percent, not 8 outs and 16 percent. However, on the turn he has many cards that will give him new draws, so he will still have about 26 percent to win after flop.
so who won?... The best cash game player of the world or the best online player of the world? please PM me
love zigg's knod to Tony G "I played it like a set!!"
Easy fold. What is Antonius thinking?
I bet they hated that situation... they are both Finnish but they had to speak English because they were on tv. :D :D
Im sorry, have you not seen Antonius? He never folds.
I don't know the exact order but with Antonius betting and the other guy still in, I don't like 98 in that position. Maybe Antonius was going with his odds or something of that nature. I'm sure there's something he saw.
Anyway...I want to watch more of this table. Very raw footage...everyone looks pissed and unshaven. Down and dirty Euro poker baby!
All these players surely buy their clothes from Tom of Finland . . .
This is more talk then I've EVER heard out of Antonius
@ 3:15 he says "I played it like a set" and he points at Tony G, had me in fucking hysterics hope i'm not the only one who noticed/understood that. Zigmund is the man :D.
@sternumagnum Agree on that too, it's even commonly said when you need to release part of stress about a situation, not for the person.
Well done.
I know I can see the cards but the guy with 2 pair was behaving beyond strong.
I think, what u ment, was, that you have some other players in mind?
Lol, do you know who his opponent is? Antonius has known (and played against) Ilari for almost 10 years. They know each other's game really well. "Ziigmund" might've been pushing with a straight draw or a flush draw there. He's a pretty wild player.
your right, plus there good friends, and they like to bluff each other
i believe patricks final thought before deciding to go all in was "fuck it!".....*moves allin*
Ilari said "lol" at 5:34? ... Lol :D and what else was he mumbling?
All nations have their "accents" when speaking English but even being Finnish myself, I find it hard to understand wha these two are saying.
I give a lot of credit to Sweden. There is no Finnish pokershow featuring top Finnish players! But anyway professional poker isn't so hot here and I like it that way.
Gotta love Patrik. He did nice job at HSP season 4 too.
he should have add "even i thought i had a set" lol
ziggi and tony at one table! nice...
funny to see Zigmund here and then at the Hansen vs Johanssen vs Sahamies
people often dont understand patrick he allways have to say the things twice- like me. he is a shy talker but he got the nuts in the pokergame
I like how he turns to tony g "I played it like a set", nice comment
Black is popular color in Finland. :)
Barry Greenstien is the best cash game player of the last 10 years, it's a fact he has been voted by his peer's
@cardcoursecom that strenght could be, in zigmunds case, also straight/flush draw and agianst them was PA favour, he knows that zig doesn't have a set so he can be drawing pretty death against 8/5 8/3 but he assumed, zig wouldnt play pf like that, so after little speech he "whatever" shoves.. zigmund is pretty sick to play any draw like that PA knows that
any card now??? he could win with a 9 or a 8 or a 6 that is not a club.
"The best cash game player of the world is up against the best online player of the world"
Got me laughing right there.
seeeeeeeeegt. Fan va tråkigt. Ett klipp här och där skulle nog dra upp tempot. Poor mans highstakes poker.
i approve of this video, it contains win
@ReallGeizzzzt Phil Hellmuth said that on WSOP 2008 :P. What's wrong with northern europe (I am from sweden) I think we got really good players from here :)
4:26 antonius say "vaffanculo" hahahahaha
did he said "lol" at 5:34 ??? ;)
Yes, he did
Zigmund and PA have played together for years. This is not a $25nl game online. Zigmund would make this play with nothing and with a flush draw. Yes its a high variance play but PA knows that Zigmunds knows that this is a decent flop to make a play if he has nothing, so his rage isnt just flush draws and sets, ohh and 2 pairs :-)
you "taughed" ?
Little bit surprised Patrik called. But I think he can afford it. There is always a rebuy.
thx buddy
Oh and I mean that all in. It basically was a call from Patrik. At that point money was going in the middle anyway.
"i played it like a set" looool ziggy is definetly refering to tony g's classic line ;)
101,150 of what?
@jacosan antonious explains pretty much everyting about his tought proces in this video.. it makes sence against zigmund
Theres no way he actually thought his 98 was good there, he must have been semi bluffing.
"lol, meet patrick antonius"
lol
Yes you don't fold a coin flip.But my point is Pat's hand really isn't that strong,top pair with a mediocre kicker,you saw the guy with 9,K fold his hand.Chances are he's beat or it's a coin flip at best.He won't be making that move with air.I think the deciding factor may be he's kinda low on chips..might started off with 100k and hes with less than 50 when the hand started
and tony g is quiet?? great
the power of the top pair!!! LMAO tony G so classic.
HE PLAYED IT LIKE A SET!!!!!!
@shhhhhhQQ Lol. No you're not. First I thought how dare he steal a man's line right in front of him. But then he points to Tony and says "you know it". Great Stuff.
wtf at antonius obviously the guy had A8 two pair or a set...
Can we please stop debating the meaning of "vafanculo" ? It means "Fuck you", end of story.
This doesn't mean that Patrick directed that at anyone at the table, because nothing was said to cause that. He probably mumbled this to exclaim his frustration. Does Antonius look like someone who'd be afraid to say it loudly and to the face of the other guy?
i calculated the odds of winning with 2 pair here against any given hand:
Hand 0: 82.752%
Hand 1: 17.248%
as you can see it obvious who will win most cases here.
Patrick Antonius could wipe his ass with $100 bills if he wanted to. I agree he certainly played this hand poorly, but I don't think he is going to miss 47k.
Tony G is the scourge of Poker
Does any1 else wonder why Tony G is randomly there?
Really don't get that call...
He played it like a set!
at 4:26 he said "oh vaffanculo" mean oh shit in italian ahhaha
@HDMGDH Yes, and he spoke Finland language.
Look at the guy in the upper right hand corner at 7:28 . What the hell is wrong with him?
they are playing with dollars if you ridint notice
Hehe, Sahamies seems like a tricky player. Making Patrik Antonious think you would bet and min reraise when u get raised with a flushdraw.
I was thinking the same thing. Lets get him!
@pawppy Agree fully.
I re-listened it 3 or 4 times and says that lol
fourfives89, PunaniLicker69, congratulations! nice conversation. have nothing better to do? lol
so THATS ZIIGMUND !!!! i always wondered who he was!!!
HE PLAYED IT LIKE A SET, EVEN I THOUGHT HE HAD A SET
patrik comitted himself not a bad call in the end, just bad 15 raise. he knew ilari didn't have a set. so he had outs and had just to put in 30 more in a 52 k pot.
fair talking from IIari.
I'd love to be a dealer for one of these big cash games, Antonius gave her a $50 dollar tip lol.. i wonder if they gotta split it with the other dealers cuz im assuming that the room they're playing in is a hotel room lol
btw whats hilarious about this hand is they attempt to table talk in English lol and they have a hard time understanding each other.I mean wtf they are both Finnish!!! Just speak that.And Ziigmund looks absolute devilish,he should be the next Bond villian.