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Pioneer Dj Rev7 vs Rane One vs Hercules T7 overview.
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2023
- Noiz does an overview and comparison on the only motorized platter controllers on the market today.
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To this day the best, most feature rich motorized DJ controller I have ever had was the *Numark NS7II.* I've never understood why inMusic, after purchasing Numark, never made an NS7IV (The NS7III was just the digital Serato display bundled with the NS7II). I was so disappointed when my NS7II hit the Serato compatibility wall because Numark kinda abandoned it for whatever reason so no firmware updates/development. You can still use it with Serato, but your stuck on a deprecated version of Serato and can never update it or else lose connectivity to your NS7II. Like most, I tried to find the NS7 display to turn my NS7II into the NS7III which is still compatible with Serato (as of the typing of this comment) but I could not find it ANYWHERE without buying a second NS7II which I obviously didn't want to do. So I sold my NS7II for the Rane One. While I definitely like my Rane One, I still wish I had a new NS7 controller...
Been waiting for a comparison like this!
It’s funny everyone loved the rane one till pioneer came out with a copy cat and now everyone hates on rane. DJs hop from one device to another every time someone says this is a game changer.
I own the rane one, and it gets the job done almost 30yrs in this business, and i can rock out on anything. I have 1200s and also the rane 12s. I guess it depends on what type of dj you are. I need my tools good enough for me to rock my crowd, and that's it.
I'm from the 80s when I was mixing and scratching on direct drive turntables so as far as moving platters, I can say I been there and done that, so now I'm considering the rev5 or Hercules t7
Excellent Comparison, Much Appreciated!
Very nice review. something i have been looking for.
WoW beautiful, Hope I have THIS controller soon 🙏🙏🙏🙏
After the Rane 1…ideas started to come in play…something has to be made in order for more innovations to kick in…I like all of em. I own a Rane and I’m glad I got it…of course a new developed controller is gonna come out.
The pitch fader in battle mode is non-sensical on a controller. It was all about tone arm clearance in turntables. Take away the tone arm & there's absolutely no reason to do it aside from novelty emulation. When Rane designed the Twelve & One, they had a pool of 100 hardcore turntablists. Early prototypes had the pitch in battle mode & majority of the turntablists they had in the Beta pool voted against it. They also had a mirrored layout on One protypes like the old Numark NS7 series & that was voted down as well. Reaching over the platter up top to pitch a song when you don't have to is stupid. Work flow wise, it makes zero sense either. Build quality wise, The One trumps them all. It feels as solid as a turntable. Rev 7 being the most expensive feels just as plastic as the T7 but I'd expect it from the T7 at it's price point.
The mixer layout on the Rev 7 burns them all which is why they put the pitch battle style...so they can dedicate that real estate to the mixer Not for battle style nostalgia like folks think. If Rane was smart they'd revise the mixer layout on the next version of The One. 12inch Skinz has control discs & spindle adapter for The One which gives you another inch of real estate or 8" discs meant for the SC6000M which fit The One better & also gives you another inch of real estate.
Once upon a time belt drive was a no go for DJ'ing but with the advent of all the portables, you have all the torque you need with no pitch drift. My only gripe with T7 are the faders, especially x-fader which has a horrible cut in time. All 3 soldered together on 1 board so If 1 fails then you need to swap them all. Thank God for Audio Innovate Innofader drop in replacement. $170 for all 3 faders which will last longer than the rest of the controller. Even with the additional fader investment, T7 is a great bang for the buck & I'd recommend it to anyone who prefers moving platters.
In regards to it being silly to make a unit with the pitch control in battle mode, i'm so glad I've come across someone saying that, because I've thought the exact same thing, and I totally agree. It's as if pioneer thought they are doing something dj's want, when I'd of thought no it isn't!
Dj's don't turn the turntable around because that's where they want the pitch, it's a case of that's just where the pitch happens to end up once they have turned it around. (and that as you say, they are actually turning it around to move the tone arm out of the way.)
Because even though given the choice out of wether they want the pitch in its normal place or the tone arm out of the way, that it's the tone arm out of the way that is the primary choice, they probably aren't happy with the pitch being up the top either though, because of the fact they have to carefully reach right over the tone arm to get to it. Which risks the arm getting hit. And for anyone who beatmatches (myself included) it must also feel very un-natural to control the pitch horizontally instead of vertically.
The ideal made vinyl turntable probably would of been a turntable in it's normal position, with the pitch in it's normal vertical position, but having the tone arm placed up the top. (like where it is in battle mode)
Yes! Battle-setup with the pitch horizontal on top is stupid.
Muscle memory and space is the reason. Most "Turntablist" who have the Rev 7 also have regular turntables ... in battle mode. So when they switch between systems they FEEL the same. Plus All turntable DJ set-ups are much wider than controllers so the further away the platter are from each other on a controller the more comfortable it FEELS. The Rev 7 platters are 2-3 inches further apart than the Rane so your right elbow is not sticking in you rib cage while trying to scratch. lol.
Rev 7 to looks like it only suits turntablists . The layout is not the best . NS7 was the best, but now, in my opinion, the Rane 4 is all round the best controller
Rev 1 or Hercules T7? What would you choose out of these two 🤔
You missing the legendary Numark NS7-3
Have got it soon as hit market still using it its a tank
Im still using mines and still love it 🫶🏽
I i had the ns7 and the v7 i loved that things too bad they are not more popular
Numark my go to choice
I'm out here in AZ too, Born n Raised! I still got the old 1st Numark NS7! Might get the Hercules Next.
Just missing the Numark Ns7 . Another
Amazing controller that pre dates all these by far 👌
Must give kudos to Hit Squad Djs for the excellent run down of how all 3 controllers compare. Clear st8 forward information . The Hercules deffo has the superior platter, plus it uses serato stems but no output connections for mics or notepads or USB where as The Rane 1 & T7 have all these options .So if you're going to record mixes then you hit to figure out the minimal options you must contend with .That's only issue that makes me hesitate before buying .
You’re wrong it’s only the Rane one and Rev 7 that has all the options rewatch the video again
@officialdjeddie For me the Rane 4 has all the best features & layout
Great video. I'm trying to get a 4 deck controller with stems, and balanced outputs & that works well with virtual DJ
Rane Four or Pioneer Dj FLX10
DDJ 1000 and Mixon 8
I'm running 2 1200s and a rane 70 so I'm leaning towards the one for a more portable version of what's at home but...I like the 7 as well. Not 100% decided yet. Maybe the next gen rane will do it for me but not sure I can wait. Hmmmm?
Great review.
If I can sell my Numark Mixtrack Platinum DJ Controller I would pick up the Hercules - looks like a great unit for the price.
I'm no professional, it's for my basement.
I'm old school DJ witch I started with turntable back in the 80's.
I worked with Technics SL-1200 whitch has the pitch control on the side.
So the Pioneer Dj Rev7 would not work for me because of the pitch on top. I love the Rane One.
Over all great review.
if you were to choose one mech table on year 2024, rane one vs t7 what would you pick?
small gigs- basement streaming and backyard parties
T7 Premium is just amazing for the price .. love the stems controls that the other 2 don't have and it now has a decent crossfader
Numark started all this with the ns7
These are not the only motorized controllers. I have an ns7 iii that I love. Looking at that t7 as an affordable 2nd
My Numark NS7III is still rocking like some technics 1200
U missed the numark ns7iii
I have it for years it's a beast and tank haul around but 0 issues with it
Traktor S4 MK3, Numark NS7iii (a little older) both motorised
Great video! Do we need to buy serato dvs subscription to use Rane one ?
No
What do any of them really do. That Ns7iii doesn't beside on board effects and you can still midi map for stems
@12:00 the Rane One motor came from the Numark NS7 line. Rane One was the replacement of that line
Rev1 doesn’t have dedicated stems buttons, but outside of that the quality of the rev1 and T7 are the same. T7 is like putting two portable record players on a Rev1 and charging $400 extra for it.
@@dooshmasta T7 is
- larger: 5" wider, 2"5 deeper,
- equipped with with feet
- covered with a metal place on mixer controls (vs plastic cover)
- with longer tempo faders set in standard way (vs battle style short tempo faders)
- with larger pads, RGB backlit located on decks (vs small pads on mixer area)
- with 2 browsers
- with XLR master out, balanced Mic in
- powered by a power adapter (vs USB bus).
@@yashcornwell5712 okay the few things that are pertinent are the RGB performance pads, though the pads themselves are inferior to the Rev1, XLR outs and balanced TRS Mic in. Otherwise basically no better than the Rev1.
U did a better review than digital dj
Rane one rules for real be good to all
What about the ns7 compared to the t7?
Great video. And i actually watched this video to find out which has the "better" sound card. Lol...I have been a Pioneer guy for some time. However, I dont really like the way they sound. After comparing them with Roland and older Rane gear. Would you still be willing to sure your opinion? I have considered moving to Rane for the sound. Thanks
That is th emajor reason I went with the Rane one - the sound quality. I just like it better.
same for me, men and no idea from video what's about sound. If we really are djs sound quality shouldn't be last point
Awesome
Only thing I ever wish for is 10" platters like the stanton 1.D that's what Im waiting for.
The SCS.1d was dope
Remember the Numark NS7
it only may how can you be in nov ?
Why do people forget the still best motorized controller the Ns7iii it came out in 2015 and still hangs with them all
I have all of them as well...The rev7 is all hype with a Bunch of issues . Rane one has major issue as well (had 3 replacements ) The T7 is very underrated, that lil guy is a st8 beast and once you change out 1)slip mats to a blade or a butter rug 2) default fader to the custom T7 inno fader (your working with a true winner 3) its only 11pounds in weight plus..that price point!
What about considering id still be looking/needing to upgrade to DJ Pro?
Este hombre debe ser el hombre mas feliz de la tierra con tantos "juguetes" para jugar....
My gripe with the Rane One they made the mixer section so slim and the platters are not even symmetrical. Total design fail.
I agree 100% that is exactly the problem I have with it as well
Someone need to release a motorized non laptop use controller. USB & SD Card usage. Numark??
You just need to get you a Numark NS7. It's still King. I've played on all 6 controllers. The butterfly style will be exactly what you want. Oh and I still have the T7, NS7, and NS73, aka the King!
I was comparing controllers sold on the market today
Also Rane & Hercules pitch faders care for your back for long mixing, pioneer give me your money and hunch over the deck.
20:30 have they yet?
Love your video. I’m still using an NS7 iii
And two NS7 ii s as spares but I’m thinking of the Rev7. I do have my S9 & 1210s but as a controller at this stage though heavier I still like the NS7.
The Rane 1 still uses the same motors as the NS7 from what I understand.Interesting.
Just my opinion The T7 as good as it is & for value for money I’m still not confident with belt drive regardless.
Thank you sir… from what I understand the motor used on the Rane One is from the Denon SC6000M Prime. The NS7 motors although the predecessor to the Prime hasn’t enough click rate. If you try to slow the platter down on the NS7 the sound breaks up but not on the Rane One if that makes sense. So thinking about it I guess we’re both right. Thanks for watching:)
@@NoizTheDj No problem. I’m always researching equipment myself and a little saddened that InMusic killed off the Numark line. I knew they were utilizing components from the different brands under the InMusic umbrella I’ve repaired a few different controllers & various equipment over the years for clients and have come to recognize certain parts shared.
@@NoizTheDj… And the platters from the denon SC6000M & RANE one are interchangeable I seen pics of a Dj in another country who swapped them it looked dope too I’ve been searching for denon SC6000M platters but can not find them anywhere unfortunately.
I started out with belt driven techniques turntables. Belts eventually wore out and have a solution. I put something sticky between the belt and the platter like jelly or honey and it did the job. 👍🏽
I also started out with belt driven tts from Gerrad. Daayam That was a lifetime ago lol. But they worked. Belts never wore out and I was using them in a club 6 nights a week.Instead of using honey or sticky jelly you can use spray on belt grip used for fan belts in cars if you dont have replacement belts on hand.
@@maskedcriticreviews
Yeah you left out native instruments the tractor controller has motorized which is a very
For general DJ's (EDM) on a tight budget then sure...Hercules. But consider that it's plastic, won't last as long and will depreciate much quicker. If you have extra money get a 2nd hand Rane One IMO. Built like a tank, pro fader and proper case metal platters so good for a more turntablist feel. Plus is will probably hold value better. I vote Rane one because it's more classic and pro feeling. Rev 7 also over impeded and 'hot' signal but Rane One very smooth and warm sound.
What about the rane four #Hitsquaddj? I mean it almost since you're short of One controller
Those aren’t motorized platters
You should of put numark ns7iii on this list!!! Because ns7iii is still Relevant till this day!
Since you’ve used them all….do you think the rev5/rane 1 is worth the price difference over the impulse T7? Really torn….its a pretty big jump in price.
Well now I think about it I’ll add…I want to use serato, but don’t have the pro license….so that’s gonna be an additional $200 ….when it comes with rev 5 ……then the fader upgrade on T7.🤔 decisions
@@JoshStephens24if ur torn on T7 and rev 5…go rev 5. Less work you’ll have to do on ur end. Honestly the moving platters are just an extra to add to the experience however having the full version of Serrato is a MUST to actually DJ. The same could be said about the quality of faders. Even without moving platters I think you’ll have a better out of the box experience with the rev 5 over the t7. Also better inputs/outputs and better control of mics on rev 5. Just something to consider since you’ll already be nearing that 1k price with Serrato pro and Innofader upgrade.
And no, I do not own any of these controllers…BUT I am in a similar decision paralysis situation trying to find out everything I can about these pieces of gear lol
I agree with Sean I would recount the Rev5 over the T7. The Rev5 has more pro features like booth output and XLR outputs. I really do like the T7 but as a backup or a home studio situation. I made this video so yes I’m experienced on all of them. Thanks for watching.
@@NoizTheDj T7 has XLR outputs...
I’m so undecided either a Rane One or Hercules T7 someone help give me feed back which one you recommend and why
Dude, I’m in the same situation. I’ve been going back and forth adding both controllers into my cart and removing them. The Rane One was the original one that caught my attention, but then I saw the price point for the T7…decisions
Where is the Ns7 mk3
Me just waiting for the final piece to the puzzle …. Motorized fully standalone. I refuse to use a laptop ever again. It’s 2024. Enough.
growing up on TT not all of us used them in battle style 🤔 the rev 7 sliders are dumb
Yeah I came up on turntables and I never liked or turned mine the battle style way
I’m smelling a lotta schilling,Rane most definitely there’s no question build quality goes a long way.
Is it really a problem that the t7 is a belt drive platter? And i heard that it doesn't spin back to well. Let me know your opinion on this matter 👍🏽
Np with belts,and yes it doesn’t do back spins ,I guess you can hold and do a manual spin w your hand ,no biggie for me ,it’s all about style and preference.definitely you won’t be disappointed.
on the T7, I quickly learned to spin back the plate and not just the the vinyl platter, then you get a classic spin back.
@@paulhelsby yup I found that out last night…
Lol if it feels like the tech 1200s I'm good ..t7 is the closest ..don't care much about back spin lol
@@514empire works for me
built in scratch sounds should be standard with any scratch controller
You seem to have forgotten about Numark ns7 2/3 motorized and to be honest is way better than these other options
I was comparing controllers sold on the market today
How the hell are these guys even having the T7 in this category
T7 rocks!!!❤ super light and does the same job as the other 2 pricier ones… my opinion.
I ve never tested any of the others but I can say the t7 is a beast . Don’t sleep on the tiny giant!
Man are you blind? Just look and see how the T7 are a piece of plastic crap. Look the conectors, the system specs
@@blackistheword7 I hear that there are factory problems, is it true?
@@Li-Kan I haven’t had any and I haven’t read or heard that until now
@@blackistheword7 Thanks bro!
get these stand alone
numark did it first ns2-ns3
I’ll never spend money on any of these until they no longer need a laptop.
Battle style makes no sense in my opinion, the pitch isn't it the way on the side, and if you want to ride a mix without sync, it makes using the pitch awkward.
115 degrees is bad for your laptop 💻 especially if you don’t have a fan inside
You are correct but sometimes it’s unavoidable
@@NoizTheDj the venue has to accommodate you. I’m not risking my expensive laptop equipment for $150 gig
@@bboymac84 I wouldn’t do a $150 at all
the T7 has the most coherent looking design to my eyes, the other two look like wierd hybrids
T7 Weight 11lbs 5kg
You are correct, sir I don’t know where I got 16 pounds from. I looked up all the specs before I made the video but I always screw something up. It’s an ongoing joke for some reason.
No NS7?!? Video didn’t happen…you mean the only modern controllers with motorized decks…I have 45s on my NS7III…
6:23 November 2023*
Hahaha I always get something wrong in the videos it’s a running joke:)
dan but none are 4 ch
Rane one built like a tank
I was digging the T7 until you said belt driven.
SMH don't disrespect denon like that LOL they dont play CDs so stop with the CDJ reference, that's a stupid pioneer saying and not a denon saying
Who cares
...guess we have consciously chosen to not include the legendary ns7 then?...ur not gonn telll me u been into DJing for 30 years and never heard of that deck dude. I mean come on dude! Lol seriously? Thats like saying ive known pokemon and been heavy into it for 30 years but ive never heard of Pikachu 🤨
For me I dont like the wave form I the middle. Just me
Ns7 3 the best
so you made this video in 2024 ? 😂
I misspoke
Truthfully ibcan't stand battle style. The rev 7 is tooo light handed for me i will stick with my denon sc6000ms with flouresent discs plus custom wheel pressure with the allen wrench. Plus they are like 9 inch wheels. If the rane 12 was not battle style i would have went with them. But denon for the win
A lot of DJs, who started using vinyl prefer the battle style layout… It’s not for everyone
@@NoizTheDj i started on vinyl too never used the battl3 layout
Well as a pro DJ you should be plugged into an external mixer anyways
That’s actually not true. These companies spend a lot of money developing their sound cards. If you’re a dj there is no need using an external mixer unless you’re providing sound for a band or need extra mics.
More of a personal preference but I always use one it just feels better to me & I have plenty more channels to work with in case I needed to plug anything or anyone else in it just works perfectly for me especially for plugging in cordless mics
@@NoizTheDj you can compare a dj controller to a professional mixer
@@bboymac84 actually you CANNOT compare a controller to a professional mixer because there is no comparison. If you use a professional controller you don’t need a sound mixer.
Using a professional DJ mixer plugged into a mid or lower multi channel mixer would make the sound quality worse. It would be the bottle neck.
Need to do your homework fella, traktor kontroll S4 MK3, motorised platters and haptic feedback😂
Is it good?
@@drpoppinoffit's very good for Traktor excellent integration, it's also midi mappable so great for virtual DJ which has the best stems quality. Probably not the best for the locked down serato as pioneer and native instruments don't really share Hid mappings, but I personally think it would sit along side the Rane 1. also native instruments have some of the nicest studio fx around. Traktor pro 3 under £100 that includes dvs unlocked for the software. Serato...time to remortgage. Virtual DJ £299 lifetime pro license everything unlocked. Recordbox isn't mature enough yet to steer me away.
Great breakdown of these units and useful info in this video, I just couldn't let the S4 Mark 3 get ghosted as it's a proper contender👍
@@dtwistrewind7361 Traktor S4 MK3 is not build for vinyl turntables lovers / the 3 other controllers are hybrid made for DJs who like vinyl turntables.
S4 MK3 motorised jog wheels have 4 major differences with the 3 other players
- Build: one-piece jog on S4 MK3/ 3-pieces platters for the 3 other controllers : platter/slipmat/disc, to handle the disc separately from the platter,
- Material: plastic body + metal top on S4 MK3 jog / metal platter + vinyl or acryl disc on the 3 other controllers
- Size: 5"5 diameter on S4 MK3 / 8" diameter for the 3 other controllers to place a 7" disc on top,
- Features: innovative motorised features on S4 MK3 jog as haptic feedback on cue point & loops / same feature as on turntables platters with the 3 other controllers
I did do my homework… The
S4 is not in the same category as these controllers. These controllers were designed to be used by turntablists not button pushers. Thank you.
S4m3 is currently NOT fully mappable/supported in VDJ FYI. There are proprietary things going on in the platters that NI won't open up to other companies.
When you get a DJ controller, you feel the sin of pride smiling at you. If you get nice and rock live, leave em' talking the next day about what records you flipped while screw face competition domes is frozen and eyeballs swell!!!!!
It's funny thinking that everyone is a copy cat when it's just two turn tables a mixer and a bunch of buttons so. Go figure out something new then if you have an issue with design
i hate battle setup been vinyl since 99 so its just your opinion everyone is different
let me get one of those you dont need 3 of them wtf so greedy
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