Pausing at 8:50 to say that the SD card interface on the Pi 4 is of a newer design and handles data much faster than the 3B+. At least twice as fast. This is an important point that seemingly was missed in this review at least up until 8:50.
I have a pi Zero, pi2, and pi3. The last two are hooked up to old monitors and keyboards with Rasbian for my kids to web surf with. It looks like the Pi4 will eventually be a nice upgrade for watching UA-cam once things are optimized.
Perfect timing! Thanks Lon for talking about these. I've just bought my first Pi as a way to help build Linux and Python skills, and am very interested in learning more about use cases.
I would love an update on Plex support after you get a heatsink or fan on that thing. Is there any hope the pi4 hardware video decode logic will be supported (and help) plex server a(or player)? How hard is it get plex player up in pi4? Same question on plex server. How about HDHR dvr?
The little board is nice but really needs to be run with a heat sink and a little fan, I just got one about 6 hours ago, and even after updating the firmware with the fix that's supposed to help lower temperatures, and after adding heat sinks, I was still idling at about 70 degrees C, while in a decently vented case. though after adding a little 5v fan that's been attached to one of my pi3bs It idles at around 37 degrees C. Without fan It would ramp up to 80 degrees just by launching chromium and downloading a small file, but now loading youtube and watching a 1080p video in full screen only pushes the temp up to around 45 to 50 degrees. For reference I just have the 2gb model with the cana kit clear case and cana kit power supply. that came with 3 small aluminum heat sinks. The small fan is the a real game changer for it, and for anything processor heavy is a necessity. Not terribly needed if all your doing is driving a couple screens to display data, but definitely something to think about if actually using it for a project. Need to get a portable battery that can push 3 amps now though so I can Make this more portable.
I bet the reason they swapped the USB and Ethernet is because this processor generates more heat and most of the current cases won't cut it. I bet this pi will be much more popular with cases like the Flirc and the Argon One, where the case itself is a heat sink. Everyone is saying that they'll need fans for this but on tests on other channels with a solid block case the temps are fine.
Nice review, I have really been enjoying my PI4, it is much faster than the 3. I picked up a few new things from you that I didn't know from you so thanks for that.
For a future video can you do it about booting from micro sd vs usb 3.0 stick vs ssd. Like boot time, speed and performance test for the smoothest experience. Which one is the best boot drive for the best experience close to a regular pc.
I am now using an Intel Atom Z3735F mini PC and looking for a replacement desktop. The lack of full 1080p HD video streaming is almost a deal breaker for me on the RPi 4. Can it at least do 720p smoothly? Do you see this as an improvement over the Atom mini PC?
@Mister Donkey Thanks for the info and giving me optimism about the fix. Can you confirm if tearing happens on 1080p? I am not a techie, can you advise if the double buffer is a fixable thing in Raspbian? Thanks
This seems to be a chromium issue not actually the hardware. Downloading the same video from UA-cam and playing it locally with VLC show that the Pi can absolutely play HD and 4K videos no problem.
@@pieterrossouw8596 So would using another browser like Chrome instead of Chromium solve this UA-cam stream problem? I would have thought that many RPi4 users would be streaming UA-cam videos and this lack of double buffering issue would be one of the things that gets fixed first?
Lon, at 15:40, could you explain how you were able to get the physics engine out of minecraft? I tried running that same code in python on my raspberry pi zero and it simply created a still group of blocks. They did not fall into place the way yours did! Are you simply connected to a separate minecraft server on PC with mods installed? I would love to teach my kids to code someday using minecraft.
Hmm that's strange - I just ran the code as you see it there. I think what happened is that I had the blocks appear high in the sky so they would fall. I did have my character up in the air so perhaps that had something to do with it?
@@LonSeidman maybe it's because i ran it on the pi zero. I will try on my pi 3b+ later and see if that makes a difference! I wonder if the processor is not powerful enough to render the physics.
Watching UA-cam in a web browser is miserably inefficient. Just install VLC, find the video you want to watch on UA-cam.com, right click and copy the link, the go to VLC, hit control-shift-o and paste in the UA-cam url. It will play much nicer than in the web browser. Smart TVs also bypass the ridiculous slowness of the web interface.
There is a misconception. It is not a case of throttling because of imprudent or incorrect heat-sinking. CPUs, all of them today (including Intel, AMD, ARM), with a normal sink, normally throttle. That's because present CPUs have a lot more computing resources than could possible operate constantly, all at the same time, and get rid of the heat to not overheat. They passed that point a long time ago. Even though CPUs are under-utilizing their resources, they squeeze out more performance by making use of opportunities when they are available. Sure a bigger heat sink will do better, but computers don't come with a giant Noctura heat sink in a normal one you get ready-built at Amazon. Your usual ARM processor in an SBC was meant to be put in a phone that has no heat sink. It is designed to throttle under its normal use. If you keep it pegged at its rated clock speed, it won't take long before it throttles to keep the temp safe. ARM, of course, will do a chip design any way you want (as they are in genuine supercomputers), but it won't come cheap, like re-purposed phone chips. ARM chips aren't slower because they are somehow pathetic compared to Intel. They are designed for a certain purpose while hitting a certain price point, where they dominate. Consider this: AMD has a CPU with 6 cores (and 12 threads) that has a design power the same as the 12 core (24 thread) version. But if they were both running flat out, wouldn't the 12 core logically be using twice as much power?
It is not a misconception that adding a fan makes a big difference to the performance of the Pi 4, much more so than previous models. You also left out the difference the chip manufacturing process size makes to the performance / heat ratio. Some of those "phone chips" use much smaller process sizes than the Pi, but they are much more expensive too.
Id love to see how it does with steams in home streaning / steam link. Im still using the original link and it will only output 1080p. If this can do that at 4k then im sold.
It can, I'm using my new Pi 4 as a Kodi box and it works fine for me. I used to have buffering issues and general slowness with the previous versions but I am quite happy with my new one.
I recommend the Flirc Case for the Rasberry Pi 4. This thing gets very hot and the all aluminum case does a great job if you want a solution that does not include a fan. I really wish they can get the video playback figured out. This chipset is supposed to support HEVC, but I get very poor results with Raspian and Libreelec.
Overall a good review of the Pi 4. I would add two things here in the comments that may help someone. 1. The Pi has no power switch. None of them ever have. And this makes for a worn power port over time. To fix that pick up a PiSwitch from Canakit. It’s about $7.00 US direct from Canakit and is a life saver. 2. The Pi 4 cannot at this time boot from USB or over a network like the 3 series can. This will be remedied with an update in the coming weeks or a months. Unless you have a specific requirement for booting USB or network I would suggest getting the Pi 4 anyway. It is leaps and bounds better than the aging 3 series.
Power strips with a switch are common. I have a bunch. I thought everybody had one. Powered USB hubs, even switched, with power sockets do exist. I have one. There are sockets with a remote which plug into a wall socket (meant to turn off a lamp that is not right by the bed) so you could plug your PI into a socket that is not easily accessible. I have one. There are sockets like this which just have a long cord with a switch instead of a remote.
Kenneth Florek - to each their own I suppose. I have used a surge protector before as a power switch but found out later that is actually not a great method because it doesn’t cut power from the Pi but the power brick which isn’t healthy for the Pi over time. Again, I read that and it made sense so stopped using power bar. I am happy with the Canakit gadget and am quite surprised the official Pi power supply doesn’t have a switch inline.
@@markconger8049 So there was more theory to this. Maybe you will like my theory too, because I do. Power supplies under no load (a charger not connect to the rp4) are usually a much higher voltage than when they are under load (the charger connected to the rp4), so to avoid over-volting the rp4 and damaging it, you would always want to have it already connected to the charger and then plug in the charger at the AC socket. That makes a switch on the output of a charger bad, and a switch at the AC input good. The opposite theory may be that disconnecting or connecting the charger at the AC side creates a huge transient spike, because chargers use inductors, which will be passed to the rp4. But disconnecting at the output has the same effect on inductors. But the way these power supplies actually work, they smooth the output with capacitors at the output (and maybe the input) which gets rid of voltage spikes. And I am pretty sure USB allows for voltage variations, so you don't have to worry about over-volting when you plug the charger into a device.
Pausing at 18:40 regarding cooling, I have the iUniker case with built in fan that is for the Pi 4 ($9.99 on Amazon) and I have found that the temperature with the fan and without the heatsinks is actually very good. Does this suggest that heat sinks, the ones with sticky pads, are not very effective? Perhaps.
Yeah I seen a bunch of different heat sinks but one problem that comes to mind is what about the ability to add hats to the Pi 4. like the Ice fan/heatsink sick about 40 mm . So I'm trying to design a case with fans on the side to blow across the pi with just a heat sink in order to be able to get hats to work with the pi limit size. Any ideas?
Support officially? Only Win 10 IoT. Unofficially, yes with a large overhead that doesn't exist on Linux. As for h265 @4k and HDR, yes. It has hardware decoding.
Usb C power port isn't wired to spec, similar to the Nintendo Switch. Fast charging may make the smoke genie escape. :( Looking forward to seeing if it gets fixed in the future, definately getting a 4 gig model if they do.
@Mister Donkey Because, like the switch, I want to buy a product that follows an industry standard, and know that it won't blow up. As it stands, we are guaranteed safety by buying a supported power supply offered by the manufacturer, when we could use cables and chargers we already have, without issue.
@Mister Donkey as for more power. Many people ha e laptops that charge via usb c. If you were traveling, it would be convenient to only need one cable for all your devices.
True, I forgot that. Lol. FydeOS does run on arm, tho but that’s Chinese. I had a look on their github and it looks like maybe it doesn’t support the pi4. So that’s saddening
You betcha! So fed up with ROCK Pi 4B issues. Now, it only collects dust. I'm moving its Samsung 970 1TB NVMe SSD to a Khadas EDGE-V, instead. The RPi 4 will have a SATA SSD connected to USB 3.
I think it's the Logitech K830. He reviewed that one once. It's a bit expensive, there's also a K820 for slightly less (although it's going up, just like the k830 it seems to be discontinued) and there's the K400 for way less. Might also be discontinued, but recently I've seen them on sale for normal prices again.
A heatsink is more or less mandatory for this pi. sure it will work but it runs averagely.. I cant believe you did a review of it without one.. its hiding alot of performance
I've yet to see any evidence that these dinky little stick-on heatsinks everybody wants to sell you make a significant difference. It's clear that the Official Pi 4 case should never be used since it blocks even convection cooling never mind lacking a place for a fan.
@@paulperkins1615 Those dinky little heatsinks will make some difference being they have more surface area, but I agree with you, they're not big enough. Bigger heatsinks, some active, are just as cheap on ebay though, have a look for "chipset cooler".
Whenever I see a Lon video on a product, I know it is going to better than any one else. Lon knows a lot more about a lot more products of similar design, so he knows what to check out. Since I converted to a 4K monitor 3 years ago, and 4K TV's are now typical, I have been wondering how substantially the Raspberry PI 4 does 4K. It might do a still desktop at 4K. Does 4K include keeping up with encoded 4K videos (or even 1080p)? Raspberry PI 4 claims 4K. Lon checks it out!
Where have you been? Unix is a family of similar operating systems, Linux (also called Gnu/Linux) is the most popular of those, and nearly all the software loads used on Raspberry Pi systems have Linux at their core. Originally Unix was the name of an OS developed by Bell Labs in the 1970s, but that's ancient history.
@@paulperkins1615 I use GNU/Linux myself and I know Linux is "based" on Unix, but Unix is licensed software as far as I know and that's why Linux was created and GNU after that because Linux is only the kernel.
@@StenIsaksson You are talking about Linux and Unix as if this were still 1999. The world has moved on, and the Unix licensed software is no longer important.
@@paulperkins1615 Some of the Linux stuff is still like 1999. Especially when it comes some of the Linux users. Especially some of the old farts who used Linux since then. They are like reactionist.
Still can't officially buy it in Korea due to the stupid certification law. You can bring one from the US, but that is limited to one per person, and you cannot resell it for ever.
You seem to imply amount of RAM has to do with performance. It doesn't. Swapping aside, either you have enough RAM for your application or you don't. Computation performance is equal regardless of amount of RAM, as long as SDRAM channels, clock speed and bus width is same.
windows is garbage for RAM, just takes 2GB idle. whereas rpi4 has only 114mb as idle, so you can say that rpi4 is equivalent to about 6GB of windows RAM
@Mister Donkey Did you not watch the video? The developers of all the major software that doesn't work. HD video playback in a browser, so that would be Chrome and Firefox developers. Local 4K video decoding doesn't work, so that would be the VLC and Kodi developers. Emulation needs work, so that would be all the emulator devs. The hardware is capable of all these things. It's Standard Operating Procedure for hardware makers to send development boards to major software developers so that the software ecosystem is in place when the hardware is released.
Depends what you're doing, if you're running games, streaming video, other cpu intensive tasks, yup definitely get a fan or at least a big heatsink. If you're just browsing and using Office you aren't stressing the CPU 98% of the time and you should be fine.
@@OttosTheName i think the term browsing here is subjective towards the layman, the idle heat dissipation is 60 and above, specifically chrome with adverts and multiple tabs, will trigger that easily, office libre slowed down the 4gb version here temporarily on startup, i think more analysis is required but from what i have seen, a heatsink and fan is a must
@Mister Donkey Oh that's pretty awesome. I'm still happy with my 2B for PS1 emulation, but I kind of want one now as a second PC for in my little electronics workplace.
There is a misconception. CPUs, all of them today (including Intel, AMD, ARM), with a normal sink, normally throttle. That's because present CPUs have a lot more computing resources than could possible operate constantly, all at the same time, and get rid of the heat so they wouldn't overheat. They passed that point a long time ago. Even though CPUs are under-utilizing their resources, they squeeze out more performance by making use of opportunities when they are available. Sure a bigger heat sink will do better, but they don't come with a giant Noctura heat sink in a normal computer you get ready-built at Amazon. Your usual ARM processor in an SBC was meant to be put in a phone that has no heat sink. It is designed to throttle under its normal use. If you keep it pegged at its rated clock speed, it won't take long before it throttles to keep the temp safe. ARM, of course, will do a chip design anyway you want, but it won't come cheap, like re-purposed phone chips. ARM chips aren't slow because they are somehow pathetic compared to Intel. They are designed for a certain purpose while hitting a certain price point, where they dominate. Consider this: AMD has a CPU with 6 cores (and 12 threads) that has a design power the same as the 12 core (24 thread) version. But if they were both running flat out, wouldn't the 12 core be using twice as much power?
I almost laughed when I compared the Pi you are holding and the 2 old Macs behind you. The Pi probably beats both together and uses SIGNIFICANTLY less power!!! Let's ignore storage that is the size of a ~stamp.
All the add on if like me you start out need cooling fan case keyboard charger hard drive or SDD micro SD card memory monitor speakers maybe best to just buy a laptop .
I found the opening a little bit humorous: 'The new raspberry pi'. Yeah it was new over 2 months ago. 'I paid with this with my own money.' Congratulations Lon, you can afford what amounts to the cost of a case of beer.
John Smith Well new meaning the latest iteration and every UA-camr should say who paid for what they are reviewing and if anyone is reviewing what they say. It's actually FCC rules I believe.
Specs for the 4 include the phrase "networked AI core" - Can anyone explain to me exactly what that is? I've been a software engineer for 35 years, I like to think I'm not a moron and I have a fair bit of experience with the Pi 3B. And I thought I knew what "AI" meant. Can someone enlighten me?
I own 5 Pi-3's, but because of the interface changes, (usb-c, mini hdmi) I will never buy one. Thanks for nothing Raspberry pi foundation! I'm absolutely sure I'm not the only one pissed off by this!
@Mister Donkey It can barely do anything, so many years later and it cant even play 1080p youtube, if its software related why release so useless? My orange pi can has far more performance at the moment.
A G / 👍 your right/ just checked my Pi. So soon we forgot. I have Pi. 4X4 on order. Can't wait for it to arrive. This will be my 2nd unit gave it to a family member for a Birthday gift 🎉
Pausing at 8:50 to say that the SD card interface on the Pi 4 is of a newer design and handles data much faster than the 3B+. At least twice as fast. This is an important point that seemingly was missed in this review at least up until 8:50.
For youtube videos, I think it is the 60 fps that is the problem. Even at 720p @ 60fps is a problem. But at 30 fps, 1080p works fine.
I have a pi Zero, pi2, and pi3. The last two are hooked up to old monitors and keyboards with Rasbian for my kids to web surf with. It looks like the Pi4 will eventually be a nice upgrade for watching UA-cam once things are optimized.
Perfect timing! Thanks Lon for talking about these. I've just bought my first Pi as a way to help build Linux and Python skills, and am very interested in learning more about use cases.
I would love an update on Plex support after you get a heatsink or fan on that thing. Is there any hope the pi4 hardware video decode logic will be supported (and help) plex server a(or player)? How hard is it get plex player up in pi4? Same question on plex server. How about HDHR dvr?
The little board is nice but really needs to be run with a heat sink and a little fan, I just got one about 6 hours ago, and even after updating the firmware with the fix that's supposed to help lower temperatures, and after adding heat sinks, I was still idling at about 70 degrees C, while in a decently vented case. though after adding a little 5v fan that's been attached to one of my pi3bs It idles at around 37 degrees C. Without fan It would ramp up to 80 degrees just by launching chromium and downloading a small file, but now loading youtube and watching a 1080p video in full screen only pushes the temp up to around 45 to 50 degrees. For reference I just have the 2gb model with the cana kit clear case and cana kit power supply. that came with 3 small aluminum heat sinks. The small fan is the a real game changer for it, and for anything processor heavy is a necessity. Not terribly needed if all your doing is driving a couple screens to display data, but definitely something to think about if actually using it for a project. Need to get a portable battery that can push 3 amps now though so I can Make this more portable.
I bet the reason they swapped the USB and Ethernet is because this processor generates more heat and most of the current cases won't cut it. I bet this pi will be much more popular with cases like the Flirc and the Argon One, where the case itself is a heat sink. Everyone is saying that they'll need fans for this but on tests on other channels with a solid block case the temps are fine.
I'm using mine as an OSMC media center / streaming stick for my TV along with a google drive account with movies mounted as FUSE for storage.
Perfect timing, Lon! Mine is due to arrive tomorrow. Good to see someone finally show UA-cam playback stats. Thanks!
in the old PI u had to allocate more ram for the video card, via raspi-config... does this improve the youtube video playback?
Nice review, I have really been enjoying my PI4, it is much faster than the 3. I picked up a few new things from you that I didn't know from you so thanks for that.
Will you review the Echo Auto? My early access is arriving in a few days if you want to borrow it for a review.
For a future video can you do it about booting from micro sd vs usb 3.0 stick vs ssd. Like boot time, speed and performance test for the smoothest experience. Which one is the best boot drive for the best experience close to a regular pc.
I am now using an Intel Atom Z3735F mini PC and looking for a replacement desktop. The lack of full 1080p HD video streaming is almost a deal breaker for me on the RPi 4. Can it at least do 720p smoothly? Do you see this as an improvement over the Atom mini PC?
@Mister Donkey Thanks for the info and giving me optimism about the fix. Can you confirm if tearing happens on 1080p? I am not a techie, can you advise if the double buffer is a fixable thing in Raspbian? Thanks
This seems to be a chromium issue not actually the hardware. Downloading the same video from UA-cam and playing it locally with VLC show that the Pi can absolutely play HD and 4K videos no problem.
@@pieterrossouw8596 So would using another browser like Chrome instead of Chromium solve this UA-cam stream problem? I would have thought that many RPi4 users would be streaming UA-cam videos and this lack of double buffering issue would be one of the things that gets fixed first?
Lon, at 15:40, could you explain how you were able to get the physics engine out of minecraft? I tried running that same code in python on my raspberry pi zero and it simply created a still group of blocks. They did not fall into place the way yours did! Are you simply connected to a separate minecraft server on PC with mods installed?
I would love to teach my kids to code someday using minecraft.
Hmm that's strange - I just ran the code as you see it there. I think what happened is that I had the blocks appear high in the sky so they would fall. I did have my character up in the air so perhaps that had something to do with it?
@@LonSeidman maybe it's because i ran it on the pi zero. I will try on my pi 3b+ later and see if that makes a difference! I wonder if the processor is not powerful enough to render the physics.
Watching UA-cam in a web browser is miserably inefficient.
Just install VLC, find the video you want to watch on UA-cam.com, right click and copy the link, the go to VLC, hit control-shift-o and paste in the UA-cam url. It will play much nicer than in the web browser.
Smart TVs also bypass the ridiculous slowness of the web interface.
18:05 He's gonna go do it!! Gonna take FIRST PLACE! This is the greatest moment ever!
18:37 Hello darkness my old friend...
There is a misconception. It is not a case of throttling because of imprudent or incorrect heat-sinking. CPUs, all of them today (including Intel, AMD, ARM), with a normal sink, normally throttle. That's because present CPUs have a lot more computing resources than could possible operate constantly, all at the same time, and get rid of the heat to not overheat. They passed that point a long time ago. Even though CPUs are under-utilizing their resources, they squeeze out more performance by making use of opportunities when they are available. Sure a bigger heat sink will do better, but computers don't come with a giant Noctura heat sink in a normal one you get ready-built at Amazon. Your usual ARM processor in an SBC was meant to be put in a phone that has no heat sink. It is designed to throttle under its normal use. If you keep it pegged at its rated clock speed, it won't take long before it throttles to keep the temp safe. ARM, of course, will do a chip design any way you want (as they are in genuine supercomputers), but it won't come cheap, like re-purposed phone chips. ARM chips aren't slower because they are somehow pathetic compared to Intel. They are designed for a certain purpose while hitting a certain price point, where they dominate.
Consider this: AMD has a CPU with 6 cores (and 12 threads) that has a design power the same as the 12 core (24 thread) version. But if they were both running flat out, wouldn't the 12 core logically be using twice as much power?
It is not a misconception that adding a fan makes a big difference to the performance of the Pi 4, much more so than previous models. You also left out the difference the chip manufacturing process size makes to the performance / heat ratio. Some of those "phone chips" use much smaller process sizes than the Pi, but they are much more expensive too.
Id love to see how it does with steams in home streaning / steam link. Im still using the original link and it will only output 1080p. If this can do that at 4k then im sold.
It can, I'm using my new Pi 4 as a Kodi box and it works fine for me. I used to have buffering issues and general slowness with the previous versions but I am quite happy with my new one.
I recommend the Flirc Case for the Rasberry Pi 4. This thing gets very hot and the all aluminum case does a great job if you want a solution that does not include a fan. I really wish they can get the video playback figured out. This chipset is supposed to support HEVC, but I get very poor results with Raspian and Libreelec.
I only get poor performance in Raspbian. LibreELEC impressed the crap out of me.
Folex® works great for getting crap stains out of upholstery.
Great channel
I am really hopeful for the RP4.
Finally, we have a faster RP, with enough RAM to provide a decent PC experience.
aaand they fucked up implementing usb-c
Overall a good review of the Pi 4. I would add two things here in the comments that may help someone.
1. The Pi has no power switch. None of them ever have. And this makes for a worn power port over time. To fix that pick up a PiSwitch from Canakit. It’s about $7.00 US direct from Canakit and is a life saver.
2. The Pi 4 cannot at this time boot from USB or over a network like the 3 series can. This will be remedied with an update in the coming weeks or a months. Unless you have a specific requirement for booting USB or network I would suggest getting the Pi 4 anyway. It is leaps and bounds better than the aging 3 series.
Power strips with a switch are common. I have a bunch. I thought everybody had one. Powered USB hubs, even switched, with power sockets do exist. I have one. There are sockets with a remote which plug into a wall socket (meant to turn off a lamp that is not right by the bed) so you could plug your PI into a socket that is not easily accessible. I have one. There are sockets like this which just have a long cord with a switch instead of a remote.
Kenneth Florek - to each their own I suppose. I have used a surge protector before as a power switch but found out later that is actually not a great method because it doesn’t cut power from the Pi but the power brick which isn’t healthy for the Pi over time. Again, I read that and it made sense so stopped using power bar.
I am happy with the Canakit gadget and am quite surprised the official Pi power supply doesn’t have a switch inline.
@@markconger8049 So there was more theory to this. Maybe you will like my theory too, because I do. Power supplies under no load (a charger not connect to the rp4) are usually a much higher voltage than when they are under load (the charger connected to the rp4), so to avoid over-volting the rp4 and damaging it, you would always want to have it already connected to the charger and then plug in the charger at the AC socket. That makes a switch on the output of a charger bad, and a switch at the AC input good. The opposite theory may be that disconnecting or connecting the charger at the AC side creates a huge transient spike, because chargers use inductors, which will be passed to the rp4. But disconnecting at the output has the same effect on inductors. But the way these power supplies actually work, they smooth the output with capacitors at the output (and maybe the input) which gets rid of voltage spikes. And I am pretty sure USB allows for voltage variations, so you don't have to worry about over-volting when you plug the charger into a device.
Pausing at 18:40 regarding cooling, I have the iUniker case with built in fan that is for the Pi 4 ($9.99 on Amazon) and I have found that the temperature with the fan and without the heatsinks is actually very good. Does this suggest that heat sinks, the ones with sticky pads, are not very effective? Perhaps.
Hey Lon, There is more Pi4 Case's than you think, both Plastic and Aluminium, and heaps of different Fan /Heatsink options for cooling too,
Yeah I seen a bunch of different heat sinks but one problem that comes to mind is what about the ability to add hats to the Pi 4. like the Ice fan/heatsink sick about 40 mm . So I'm trying to design a case with fans on the side to blow across the pi with just a heat sink in order to be able to get hats to work with the pi limit size. Any ideas?
Is it powerful enough to replace the Max’s behind you?
If I take an existing microsd card that consists of raspbian os from my Raspberry Pi 3 b+ and insert it to the new Raspberry Pi 4. Will it work?
Larry Larry Pretty sure it will, as long as it is up to date.
I'd like to see what you can do with it. I bought it to take time lapse vids and possible security camera. But i cant think anything else really.
Hosting a website on it.
I wonder if its possible to install macos on it for a iMessage/wechat server
Wow... an Apple IIs I my first computing experience in 1987
The max temperature test for RPi 4 4GB was 80-90 degree celcius.
I have one working perfectly on NAS project
Awesome video as always.
Will it run under Windows10 at some point? If so, will it handle flac and 4k hevc x265 hdr files smoothly?
Support officially? Only Win 10 IoT.
Unofficially, yes with a large overhead that doesn't exist on Linux.
As for h265 @4k and HDR, yes. It has hardware decoding.
2 NICs would make this very appealing. I don't need 2 USB2.0 ports. NVMe slot.
USB 3.0
Usb C power port isn't wired to spec, similar to the Nintendo Switch. Fast charging may make the smoke genie escape. :(
Looking forward to seeing if it gets fixed in the future, definately getting a 4 gig model if they do.
@Mister Donkey most of us have usb c fast charging bricks at home. It would be nice tonnot have to buy a new one.
@Mister Donkey Because, like the switch, I want to buy a product that follows an industry standard, and know that it won't blow up. As it stands, we are guaranteed safety by buying a supported power supply offered by the manufacturer, when we could use cables and chargers we already have, without issue.
@Mister Donkey not built to industry standard, or it wouldn't be a problem. Waiting for a fix, or maybe the 5 with all usb 3.
@Mister Donkey as for more power. Many people ha e laptops that charge via usb c. If you were traveling, it would be convenient to only need one cable for all your devices.
A pair of 4gb pi4's...My favorite new toys. Cant wait to see how far we can tweak :) Should be fun.
Great Work Lon! Can you test the Pi 4 as a Plex Server?
You could run Plex server on just about anything.
I believe you could get Cloudready on that thing pretty easily.
Unfortunately, Cloudready doesn't support ARM devices.
True, I forgot that. Lol. FydeOS does run on arm, tho but that’s Chinese. I had a look on their github and it looks like maybe it doesn’t support the pi4. So that’s saddening
Is this recommended over the rockpi?
You betcha! So fed up with ROCK Pi 4B issues. Now, it only collects dust. I'm moving its Samsung 970 1TB NVMe SSD to a Khadas EDGE-V, instead. The RPi 4 will have a SATA SSD connected to USB 3.
What keyboard with built in touchpad are you using?
I think it's the Logitech K830. He reviewed that one once. It's a bit expensive, there's also a K820 for slightly less (although it's going up, just like the k830 it seems to be discontinued) and there's the K400 for way less. Might also be discontinued, but recently I've seen them on sale for normal prices again.
A heatsink is more or less mandatory for this pi. sure it will work but it runs averagely.. I cant believe you did a review of it without one.. its hiding alot of performance
I've yet to see any evidence that these dinky little stick-on heatsinks everybody wants to sell you make a significant difference. It's clear that the Official Pi 4 case should never be used since it blocks even convection cooling never mind lacking a place for a fan.
@@paulperkins1615 Those dinky little heatsinks will make some difference being they have more surface area, but I agree with you, they're not big enough. Bigger heatsinks, some active, are just as cheap on ebay though, have a look for "chipset cooler".
Whenever I see a Lon video on a product, I know it is going to better than any one else. Lon knows a lot more about a lot more products of similar design, so he knows what to check out. Since I converted to a 4K monitor 3 years ago, and 4K TV's are now typical, I have been wondering how substantially the Raspberry PI 4 does 4K. It might do a still desktop at 4K. Does 4K include keeping up with encoded 4K videos (or even 1080p)? Raspberry PI 4 claims 4K. Lon checks it out!
It's running Unix? At 8:30 you say "...learning Unix"
Where have you been? Unix is a family of similar operating systems, Linux (also called Gnu/Linux) is the most popular of those, and nearly all the software loads used on Raspberry Pi systems have Linux at their core. Originally Unix was the name of an OS developed by Bell Labs in the 1970s, but that's ancient history.
@@paulperkins1615 I use GNU/Linux myself and I know Linux is "based" on Unix, but Unix is licensed software as far as I know and that's why Linux was created and GNU after that because Linux is only the kernel.
@@StenIsaksson You are talking about Linux and Unix as if this were still 1999. The world has moved on, and the Unix licensed software is no longer important.
@@paulperkins1615 Some of the Linux stuff is still like 1999. Especially when it comes some of the Linux users. Especially some of the old farts who used Linux since then. They are like reactionist.
Informative thanks for sharing this nice video.
Somebody really needs to create a potato case for the raspberry pi 4 🥔
Dual Screen Vs. Arcade bar top! Yes!
Flirc Case!
Yes, great looking case which also acts as a heatsink
Still can't officially buy it in Korea due to the stupid certification law. You can bring one from the US, but that is limited to one per person, and you cannot resell it for ever.
how to connect surround sound speakers on this pi?
I use a hdmi to my tv then to my surround sound, kodi works great with this.
They got hats for pi or just hdmi surround so hdmi to tv then tv to surround with digital sound.
@@notthesameman
Depends on TV, not all permit pass through surround audio!
I also have thoses chinese low price box hdmi to spdif that also has 3.5mm i got thoses for my xu4
Is raspberry pi 4 with 4GB is equivalent to a PC with 2 GB ram??
You seem to imply amount of RAM has to do with performance. It doesn't. Swapping aside, either you have enough RAM for your application or you don't. Computation performance is equal regardless of amount of RAM, as long as SDRAM channels, clock speed and bus width is same.
windows is garbage for RAM, just takes 2GB idle.
whereas rpi4 has only 114mb as idle, so you can say that rpi4 is equivalent to about 6GB of windows RAM
Did they not send development boards to the big software players? Apparently not. Huge mistake.
@Mister Donkey Did you not watch the video? The developers of all the major software that doesn't work. HD video playback in a browser, so that would be Chrome and Firefox developers. Local 4K video decoding doesn't work, so that would be the VLC and Kodi developers. Emulation needs work, so that would be all the emulator devs.
The hardware is capable of all these things. It's Standard Operating Procedure for hardware makers to send development boards to major software developers so that the software ecosystem is in place when the hardware is released.
Someone pleaseeee add a egpu to the rasp pi 4
thermal throttling occurs, a fan is required
Depends what you're doing, if you're running games, streaming video, other cpu intensive tasks, yup definitely get a fan or at least a big heatsink. If you're just browsing and using Office you aren't stressing the CPU 98% of the time and you should be fine.
@@OttosTheName i think the term browsing here is subjective towards the layman, the idle heat dissipation is 60 and above, specifically chrome with adverts and multiple tabs, will trigger that easily, office libre slowed down the 4gb version here temporarily on startup, i think more analysis is required but from what i have seen, a heatsink and fan is a must
@@denvernaicker8250 Yeah you might be right. Most people should really install something to cool it.
@Mister Donkey Oh that's pretty awesome. I'm still happy with my 2B for PS1 emulation, but I kind of want one now as a second PC for in my little electronics workplace.
There is a misconception. CPUs, all of them today (including Intel, AMD, ARM), with a normal sink, normally throttle. That's because present CPUs have a lot more computing resources than could possible operate constantly, all at the same time, and get rid of the heat so they wouldn't overheat. They passed that point a long time ago. Even though CPUs are under-utilizing their resources, they squeeze out more performance by making use of opportunities when they are available. Sure a bigger heat sink will do better, but they don't come with a giant Noctura heat sink in a normal computer you get ready-built at Amazon. Your usual ARM processor in an SBC was meant to be put in a phone that has no heat sink. It is designed to throttle under its normal use. If you keep it pegged at its rated clock speed, it won't take long before it throttles to keep the temp safe. ARM, of course, will do a chip design anyway you want, but it won't come cheap, like re-purposed phone chips. ARM chips aren't slow because they are somehow pathetic compared to Intel. They are designed for a certain purpose while hitting a certain price point, where they dominate.
Consider this: AMD has a CPU with 6 cores (and 12 threads) that has a design power the same as the 12 core (24 thread) version. But if they were both running flat out, wouldn't the 12 core be using twice as much power?
The review starts here: 1:26
Can i use it as a Synology ?
🤔
The kids love the UNIX
I almost laughed when I compared the Pi you are holding and the 2 old Macs behind you. The Pi probably beats both together and uses SIGNIFICANTLY less power!!! Let's ignore storage that is the size of a ~stamp.
It could probably emulate them, too. ;)
Big news! A 64-bit version of Raspbian for the Pi 4 is being beta tested and you can try it!
www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=250730
The usb-c is power only?
All the add on if like me you start out need cooling fan case keyboard charger hard drive or SDD micro SD card memory monitor speakers maybe best to just buy a laptop .
Why not go full USB-C? Why the special power supply? Why the dongles? Why is this becoming an inelegant pile of plugs and ports?
my pi is on a box like for weeks without using it. cool but useless to me.
Unix-What's that? 😁
I found the opening a little bit humorous: 'The new raspberry pi'. Yeah it was new over 2 months ago. 'I paid with this with my own money.' Congratulations Lon, you can afford what amounts to the cost of a case of beer.
John Smith Well new meaning the latest iteration and every UA-camr should say who paid for what they are reviewing and if anyone is reviewing what they say. It's actually FCC rules I believe.
I may have misspoke about who made the law but it is a law none the less
Great device
Great news
Nextcloud please
Bruno Bastos I second that
Specs for the 4 include the phrase "networked AI core" - Can anyone explain to me exactly what that is? I've been a software engineer for 35 years, I like to think I'm not a moron and I have a fair bit of experience with the Pi 3B. And I thought I knew what "AI" meant. Can someone enlighten me?
Rasplex please.
Oc and can do 1080p
Took you awhile to review it, didn't it?
Took me awhile to get it
Kamala Harris begging me for my money in the ad on your video is a joke.
Lots of potential wasted with no hardware AES instructions.
I own 5 Pi-3's, but because of the interface changes, (usb-c, mini hdmi) I will never buy one. Thanks for nothing Raspberry pi foundation! I'm absolutely sure I'm not the only one pissed off by this!
if it cant even play 1080p smoothly, ill pass
Yeah sorry Lon ur too late on the review..... many others have beaten u to the punch.
The Raspberry Pi 4 is not a big upgrade, just not worth it
@Mister Donkey It can barely do anything, so many years later and it cant even play 1080p youtube, if its software related why release so useless? My orange pi can has far more performance at the moment.
I thought the Pi 3B + has only 512MB . But I see that I was wrong 😂 it has 1GB 😛
3B+ has 1GB. 3A+ has 512MB.
A G / 👍 your right/ just checked my Pi. So soon we forgot. I have Pi. 4X4 on order. Can't wait for it to arrive. This will be my 2nd unit gave it to a family member for a Birthday gift 🎉
Third
Give it a rest and let it die off please, it's getting old seeing all the first, second, third spam.
Ok mr. Mad.
By the way. This is post #41