ignore my points and keep 'em comin. you can call it rage bait or whatever buzzword you want, enter the mob because truth hurts. I'm glad Valve actually did something about the bots at least for now, as you can see at 10:34. The movement not working wasn't remotely the point of the video but you won't pay attention anyways so I don't now why I'm even bothering Doubling down until I'm proven wrong: ua-cam.com/video/lRm3iyp61WQ/v-deo.html
your points barely hold together. yeah, you have some valid criticisms but then you spend about 10 mins making fun of someone about how they sound, and then make fun of a community for wanting to play a game they enjoy. if you want people to take you seriously with your points, you have to at least take them seriously as well.
I like how you used my video as an example of TF2ber copium, conveniently skipping over the part where I mention the chances of failure are 99%. Bait used to be believable.
I don't even think bro watched your video, he just skipped to a random section and put it in because "tf2 players are stupid dumb dumbs and I don't like them. >:("
Except Melee is an unfinished piece of excrement that Nintendo wants you to forget about and buy new product, and Valve is doing the exact same thing with Deadlock.
@@nigerianstatue3411 Yeah both are games that are neglected by their owners, I was referencing why people like them. Your comment reeks of elitism and unnecessary vitriol. Ironically demonstrating everything the video criticizes tf2 players for.
god forbid we want to play games even if they are old. it like getting mad that chess is unplayable and should not be played/cared for, because it's old.
>Dunks on people who complain about the bad cosmetics 3:43 >complains about the bad cosmetics 7:09 believing this is crazy, but agreeing is ACTUALLY insane
shits on tf2 for having repetitive content like weapon reviews yet made like 20+ gemoetry dash videos talking about the same levels and circle jerking geometry dash, double standards is insane
@@Obviousthrowawayaccount 100%, I do like a portion of his newer content. It's just that a lot of the more opinionated ones are super exaggerated and hostile, which doesn't really drive his point
@@RiverCiver even if it was a long time ago, you have to be aware that you basically did the same shit and thus you lose all rights to be bitching about it XD
@@goodknightpangestu470 I play GMod, Rust, Helldivers 2, Dota 2, Fortnite and a few more, but TF2 will always will be my go to just to shoot and goof around. Or to play Slender Fortress, because I hate playing horrors alone.
@@WAtheAnum i used to believe Valve Will do something because i believe Valve respect the game. But its been 5 or 4 or 3 years that this game didnt get the attention like they have on Dota 2, csgo/CS2. I play Dota 2 and they still get content even tho its slow but they at least continued the Lore of the game look at tf2 rn no final comics in like ever... But please i hope IM wrong.
Let's get one thing absolutely clear, if your starting argument is "They have annoying voices" while also having the voice of an angry teenager fresh off of xbox live, you aren't making a compelling argument.
@@Professionalmustard which is funny because the annoying voice thing actually ties in with his later points of low quality slop content, if you actually watched the video you'd understand that
I do agree with you that the "wholesome chungus TF2 based anything else bad" mentality is awful, A lot of people do. I also agree with your segment on the sheer amount of boredom we have. but it's just two things in particular that I just disagree with. "move on" Where though? Where is a game that has such great weapon design, visual design, and isn't competitive battlepass slop? TF2 is one of a kind (timeless if you will), that's the only reason it still has its players. there is no way in hell that something like rocket jumping or market gardening would exist in a post-COD industry. or even most of the weapons in the game. let alone a character like Spy. is it really that selfish to ask Valve to fix TF2? especially since they are still actively "supporting" the game by pumping microtransactions into 3 times a year? PS: TF2 Reddit and Especially Twitter don't represent most of the players, they mainly consist of people who just watch from the sidelines. kinda like Sonic the Hedgehog.
I kinda agree with some of the points he made, I used to have a terrible experience when I was new to the game because of the community, now at 1.7k hours, I decided to come back to it and see what's up, since I main spy, people automatically started treating me like crap whenever I failed a trickstab because people are more aware now than before. What's worse is when people say the tf2 community is the friendliest when I had friendlier experiences playing League of Legends. For the "move on" part, I agree that there is no character like Spy or mechanics like market gardening in other games, but in my opinion, playing the same game for a long time starts to get boring after a while. I'd recommend the Yakuza series or indie games if you want to try sometime.
Where, you ask? Bioshock 2's multiplayer has great gameplay, theres a lot of strategizing to be had on what plasmids, weapons, and weapon upgrades to use. Official servers dont really work, as Bioshock 2 is almost as old as TF2, but there are many small pocket communities that run their own private matches on private servers. Cheaters are not really an issue since you can just isolate them and prevent them from joining your game due to how the private servers are run. If you know anything about Bioshock 1 and 2 im sure I dont have to tell you that visual design is stunning and is not even that far off from TF2. The characters you can play as all have the same hp, and the only difference is their voice lines, but they are also very charismatic each with distinct personalities and backstories. if you liked the engineer I recommend playing as the welder, Jacob Norris. I played a couple rounds after I got bored of TF2 and it was honestly refreshing, I can only recommend it.
its actually surreal to see a good point among the brain rot. even though you disagree i should have brought up some alternatives after saying "play a different game" because there really aren't any. thanks for taking the time. tf2 reddit and twitter are a vocal minority too i agree, but do represent a lot of the community.
@@RiverCiver Yapping has been a term used in the English language for many upon many years and only got more popular recently. There is nothing that makes it invalidate an opinion. In fact, Ignoring someone because of a singular word he or she used is in fact something that would invalidate your argument.
I want to like this video but he’s just being an asshole for most of it. There are real criticisms to be made about TF2 and its community, but this guy just makes fun of people having fun for most of it.
It's agressive and basically just ragebait and with a side of strawman sindrome bc ditching geometry dash basically killed his nothing channel and he needed some atention.
this video is that one image of a dog getting pet with a caption: ,, oooh who’s an edgy boy yes you are oooh what a hot take your statements are so controversial what an edgy boy "
@@RiverCiver Its still relevant though, you literally made fun of the way most TF2 youtubers sound, which is just uneeded, how does it contribute to your arguement at all
Ikr lmao since #fixtf2 came out all these random ass tf2 ytbers came out criticizing the comm lol they’re not doing anything to save the game they’re technically useless af
Honestly, I wish I could just play a different game, but none of the available PvP shooters really scratch the same itch as TF2. I don't even play TF2 anymore; I genuinely just want another, more casual 12v12 shooter or something like that. There's clearly a gap in the market that hasn't been filled yet. Once it has, hopefully they will move on.
Yeah. That's pretty much the summary of the video. I know that this is freedom of speech that sometimes hurt but isn't the point of it to make outline, asking for improve or fix glaring issues (eg. the bot issues TF2 and CS2 have) and not mean to insults for things that you don't like or disagree which just make unnecessary fights instead.
>be this guy >walk into a hospital >see a doctor treating a patient >"Pfft... Why don't you do something else! LOLZ!" >walk out >feel extremely proud of yourself
You say them fixing the anticheat is hard then why are there no bots in community servers? Valve doesnt even have to code shit they just need to port stuff the community has done into the game, simple
@@Boggletrop because valve doesn't like "treadmill work" which basically just translates to "we make stuff but maintaining them isn't as fun so we won't maintain them"
Because no one would host on community servers that quite literally have slightly better anticheat than VAC, even if you would use lmaobox's SMAC bypass they would be manually banned in less than 3 hours atleast
@@RiverCiver Why did you choose to make a video where you make like 1 valid point then spent the rest of the time mocking people for liking something different than you? That's shameful
@@BenryTheMii really nothing but shame and he pretends that there’s different alternatives to this game when he say “ just move on” there really isn’t has he even tried looking for alternative for tf2 I doubt it. I’m pretty sure if you tried you’re not gonna find anything that actually goes on the same level or type as team fortress two
@@RiverCiver”Oh no! I don’t have another sigma counter argument to make to this comment! I will reply with ‘nah’ so I can show off my alpha wolf physique and scare away this beta!” 🤓👆🐺🐺
@@SaipritOriginal funny thing is he calling everyone else a robot but he’s literally acting more like bot then anything like who has the time to reply on every comment that you see?
so you aren't allowed to love games anymore? It speaks volumes that TF2 is able to keep a giant fanbase despite its age, while other life service titles die of. For being such a loyal fanbase and sticking to a fun as fuck game, we would expect Valve to do something for us. Right now, shitting on TF2 seems so funny because its a "dead game", but thats only because we are at our probably lowest point in TF2s lifespan and its so unfair to point to us and make fun of us for wanting change.
Most TF2 "fans" don't like the game or understand anything about it, they just adopt the community as part of their identity because they are literally autistic children (and yes I do mean actual young kids who most likely have a real diagnosis for actual real life autism) This by itself wouldn't be such a problem if this community wasn't also filled with bad actors like the ones described in this video who know that and effectively prey on such kids.
honestly it would have been fine if everyone saw that this vid is flawed in so many ways or just take into account our side in all of this but instead it pisses me off that anyone who is on our side is just called a coper whatsoever
I’ve been replying to his replies on comments the past 30 minutes, and all I have to say is everything he says in the video is contrived by what he says in the comments. He’s replying with stuff like “brainrotted” or when someone says he’s being aggressive he says “good.” I also realize almost all his replies are single words.
@@TheBrims he’s prolly already one lmao this pushy doesn’t see that much success in his life so he needs stuff that’ll make him feel good about himself quickly lol
Points in this vid: -people with high voice bad. -peopel that dont play many games are bad. -looking at small Details is bad. -trying to get good anti-cheat is bad.
Deadlock looks like complete dogshit. Tf2 is full with bots. CS2 is full with cheaters and no updates. Valve just does whatever they want because steam makes them stupid money.
i get the community IF THEY HAVE ITEMS WORTH 6K no one ever said "play something other than counter strike, call of duty, gta" or shit like that, let em be bro
@@RiverCiver”Half.” Yeah, like half of this script is probably chatgpt’d because you’re some 18 year old high school drop out who failed 7th grade writing.
I love how you go over the tf2 community having a superiority complex while the entire video you are like “yeah I like tf2 but unlike those drones I am a fatalist 😎”
@@OfficerIDPDhe may not be wrong but at least Ls mark is doing that cuz he seems to enjoy family guy a lot, same thing with how tf2tubers enjoy makin content on their very old game, even if it’s already been talked about by other tf2tubers
@@OfficerIDPD well of course, I wasn’t saying they were immune to criticism, that’s why I said that he’s not wrong. I’m just saying that in my opinion I don’t think it’s that bad but people are entitled to their own opinions y’know?
I do agree in some of the stuff you said but I feel that this whole video is a massive over generalization of a large community and saying "everybody is like this" just isn't true and then you go on to make fun of people's voices which just kind of invalidates your arguments. overall this just seems like rage bait (Update valve has taken action so it turns out we weren't shouting into a void after all)
TF2 was designed in a very careful and specific way to make the gameplay enjoyable (for example timeless art style with team recognition, iconic 9 classes). There's only 9 classes but that's enough for the player cause each one of them has their individual personality which is crucial element in making bond and immersion for player. While new games like overwatch has 20+ characters which i personally haven't felt that immersion. In Overwatch to change the gameplay like making it something different you need a new character with new abilities while in TF2 you still got 9 classes but you keep adding more weapons to their arsenal which is even better and easier than making whole new character with almost no flavour in their personality. Also the competition in TF2 is basically more wacky and fun than in Overwatch and other newly made shooter games. That is why people still love TF2 and that's also why TF2 is very well made timeless masterpiece.
"Just consoom product and get excited for next product" mentality on ur part bro. If a game is good imma play it. Also FixTF2 is valid because Valve is still making a lot of money from tf2, if you weren't aware.
Its also been 7 years since the last major update (6 if you count the last major update is blue moon) i think we’re more than a little sick of the radio silence at this point Edit: typos
@@caramelcandys i personally like community servers way more than casual, most of my 1.7k hours came from com servers, casual gets boring after a while tbh, vsh/freak fortress 2 and jailbreak were the most fun i had
True. I never understood where the Tf2 community got the audacity to harass other people over the natural decay of an old game. No other community but Tf2 cannot come to terms with the fact, that perhaps your game is dying is not a massive made up narcissistic conspiracy, but perhaps the fact its over 12 years old game by now!
Instead of just saying “Video bad, you suck, cope and seethe” I’m gonna give you an actual critique. Good points - You’re right that a lot of TF2 fans seem to have a superiority complex against other FPS like Overwatch, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc. And while I do believe TF2 does a lot of things better than these games, the people who say “TF2 better than ____” or “TF2 killed ____” are just saying nothing. - 5:30 I get being annoyed that everyone seems to talk about the same weapon 100x over. I’m pretty bored of it too and can see it as lazy content. HOWEVER* - 8:58: It’s true that the bot issue is probably gonna be harder than people are taking it for. Especially with the source spaghetti slop that is TF2’s code. Bad Points - 0:09: “It’s a great game.” 0:25: “Community of degenerates that continues to play this game.” You quite literally contradict yourself within not even the first half minute of the video. Call it nitpicking, but saying the game is good then complaining about how people continue to play it is incredibly idiotic. - 1:18: Why does this matter? So what people only play a handful of classes? It’s not a crime to play the game how you want. - You seem to act like Reddit and Twitter are the entire TF2 community in a nutshell. There are a major chunk within (More than the actual true player count), some people just want to play the game. - 2:30: This is just insulting people for no reason. Why tf does it matter what a person’s voice sounds like? The only thing this really contributes to is just making you look like the degenerate you’re calling the fanbase. It makes even less sense when you show Lazypurple and Shounic as good examples (7:49) despite them having that similar “Pasty High-pitched 20s something white person voice” you dunked on like 10 people 5 minutes ago. - 3:42: You’re being mad at people actually caring about the game. And it’s not about the number of cosmetics. There are indeed clearly enough. The problem is that the ones that are added aren’t of good quality. You literally say at 11:00 that they’re “below mediocre”. It’s like a streaming service publishing new sh#tty shows when they clearly have enough. No need to complain about people wanting quality products. Especially since you pay for these items with real money. - 3:59: You act like this is the singular reason for people liking the Summer Update. People liked the Summer Update because 1. It was in response to the SaveTF2 as it wasn’t just a bare bones tweet from Valve, but also a blog post beforehand telling creators to prepare for it. (Something they didn’t do before). Which leads to 2. The quality of the additions within the update. You even said this yourself: “a decent enough update compared to the garbage they usually shove out” (3:36). Not only that, but also broke the player record. (Which has sadly been proving to be bots, but it boosted player morale at the time) And 3. It looked like a step in the right direction. That Valve was actually going to pay more attention and commit more to TF2. It was baby steps, but given enough time, it seemed the future was looking bright. And yet you said that “nothing happened”. (8:50) - *It’s not inherently a bad thing to have multiple videos on the same weapon. People have different opinions and that’s why people make videos on it. If there was only one video on that weapon, then there’s less room to really discuss varying thoughts on it. But it does get annoying when people just talk about it with not much else going for it. - 6:50: Again, WHO THE F#CK cares about what’s on reddit. It’s FREAKING REDDIT for God’s sake. - 8:09: These are just clipdumps on the game. Literally every game that has ever been on youtube has these. This has been going on since youtube’s creation. It’s people having fun and making cringe funny jokes with their friends. You even participated in shenanigans like this as shown from your screenshots at the start of the video. (Bumper-cart racing, bald engineers, stacking soldiers) - 9:27: It’s not about shouting at the little development team TF2 has. It’s about confronting Valve, the publisher and owner of the game. Who despite being a billion dollar company that has become a king and staple of the gaming industry, refuses to solve any of the problems that has been plaqueing TF2 for nearly 8 f#cking years. - 9:35: What sets FixTF2 from SaveTF2 is the approach. Back in 2022, the community didn’t want to seem like a bunch of angry soyboys that were dunking on a beloved game company. I mean it could be seen as a miracle that Valve even updated a game so old. So SaveTF2 was more of a demonstration on why TF2 should be saved. How deeply loved and cherished the game was and why Valve should take time to fix it. And all we really got was a pat on the back, a promise, and a decent summer update. But after nearly an entire year with the bot crisis getting worse and seemingly nothing changing, the community decided they needed a more “direct” approach. Valve continued to profit off of TF2 despite barely fixing any of the problems. And with the problems facing some of Valve’s newer games, such as CS2, the company is starting to get flak from people outside the TF2 community. Which is why we began boycotting cosmetics and reviewbombing the game. And we have seen success with the recent Helldivers 2 fiasco so there is proof that this can work. The plan for FixTF2 is to not back down until Valve truly does something. - 10:16: Deadlock hasn’t even been announced yet. Who knows if it’ll even be greenlit, especially with the leak. - 11:15: What exactly do you mean “both sides”? This ain’t even a criticism, I’m just confused on what the sides there are. Overall, this video does make some good points that should be listened to too. This community has its flaws, some you’ve shown.But you repeatedly undermine and contradict yourself throughout the video.
read allat so here's your bad points 1) not a coherent argument 2) okay 3) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community" 4) he is clearly displaying aristole's method of debate, plebian (also it's funny) 5) not a coherent argument 6) not a coherent argument (the summer update was *worked on before savetf2) 7) not even an argument against the video 8) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community" 9) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community" 10) not a coherent argument 11) okay 12) it's a controlled leak to gauge audience interest, the bad backlash will probably mean it is cancelled so okay 13) idk either but I'd guess he meant see on the side of other games overall, totally incoherent. too many appeals to emotions and a fundamental misunderstanding of the video. you saw it from both sides and had a couple bad points that were actually valid, so 4/10
@@pelhami 1) Fair 2) okay 3) He acts like the entire community is simply reddit and twitter 4) I don't see which part that supposedly is supposed to represent aristole's method of debate, I doubt he based a rant off it, and "funny" as it is, mindlessly dunking on people for such a stupid reason is no way to get any point across. (And for someone calling others plebian and using ancient methodology, you seem to barely give any other points besides "not a coherent argument") 5) I think people caring about if they're getting good products they need to pay for is a very valid argument 6) Fair on the development thing, however it was still around the time which is why people were hyped. Also my points on the quality(which I cited him saying was decent) and that seeming to be a step in the right direction I say are valid. 7) It's less to be an argument against him but rather an commentary on what he said about there being multiple videos on the same thing. I'm saying that by itself is fine, it's that most of these videos say the same thing with little changes, which is why I understand where's he's coming from. 8) He acts like the entire community is simply reddit and twitter 9) You keep saying it's on "the community". yet the point he makes here can apply to basically any community. If you search up gameplay for games like Minecraft, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, CSGO, and the sort, you'll find similar clips. While you can make the argument that the video is on the community and only that, it makes the point he tries to make feel incoherent. And even them, his examples are weak. It's not like any of them are slaying slurs or being creepy in those clips. (Which would have supported his argument better if he had shown those parts) 10) I think wanting a billion dollar company to do something about a broken product they continue to profit off of is pretty reasonable. 11) okay 12) It also may be hella despised due to how well-known and loved TF2 is and seeing Valve just focus on a different shooter will probably ignite a huge uproar, possibly causing the game to fail. (Not in defense, this isn't a good outcome for anyone. But it does seem like a likely possibility) 13) Yeah, but he doesn't really makes sense. He doesn't seem to talk from the perspective of other shooter fans overall, you keep saying "not a coherent argument" but you never explain how, make your argument noncoherent in the process. There are point he makes that are entirely valid, but he overshadows them by continuously contradicting himself to fit what he's saying, and just wanton insulting people for arbitrary reason. No one's gonna listen to you if you don't keep a stable pov and insult them the whole time. But you did make a few good counterpoints, so 4/10 for you as well.
@@Shock-N-Awe We're not having a debate, I'm dismissing your bad points and fallacies by calling them incoherent. I don't care to reply to any of your points because you're gay, and I hope you can learn to argue better with concise points. Point 12, for example, in this reply is utterly schizoprenic and is not grounded in reality at all. Bad form.
8:45 didn’t age well since valve actually did something and banned a massive amount of bots also kinda get some of your opinions on the community but that is a small minority and 5:26 can you really call people boring for talking about tf2 in a tf2 video what do you want them to talk about the bot crisis the lack of any updates well probably not since you call people whiny for bringing it up
My biggest issue with this whole thing is how the bot hosters went as far as to dox, harras, ddos, fake dmca claim, send links to Cheese Pizza (if ykyk) Like these are VERY illegal stuff and if Valve choses to ignore it, just proves how little care they have. Welp, if TF2 will enter under investigation because of said things, Valve will surely have wished they fixed this issue sooner. Because how in the hell does any live service game company allows its game to be a host for Cheese Pizza content.
@@llamersvevo28 It was good shit back then tho, I won't lie. Its more the standard of GD content was low where the best content creators in 2017-18 edited on Windows Movie Maker and iMovie. I don't think slop was the right term in saying here, but what I meant was I used to eat it up during the end of 2.0 -> start of 2.1
this has got to be either a poorly informed critique or rage bait. but i get seeing the other side and understanding valves position. still, despite the fact that i think itll fail, im still gonna support this game till it dies.
I don't think it's entitlement to want Valve to perform maintenance and upkeep on a videogame that they currently harvest a healthy profit from. A product shouldn't be profitable if it ceases its intended function due to a lack of maintenance. Valve still develops new hat crates and other things every several months that draw a profit in from the game, so its their responsibility to make sure these products and the environment they work in is functional and isn't being tampered with by bot hosters. I'm saying this as someone who plays TF2 seldomly at this point and is knee deep in a plethora of other indie games, multiplayer games, a few larger releases, and everything in between (my current focal point is a mix of Helldivers 2, modded minecraft, Deep Rock Galactic, and 9 Bit Armies). 10:18 Team Fortress 2's ongoing domination by bot hosters is a security implication for Valve's other products. They've introduced a very easy target for bot hosters and hackers to tamper with the product and render it essentially non-functional, and hackers and bot hosters who are eager for their next big fish might start looking to Valve's newer products and properties. CS 2 is already swarming with cheaters (though not necessarily fully automated bots), for instance. It would be unwise for them to release a new product that would be susceptible to the same kinds of problems as their old product and to do nothing to remedy the problems with their old product. Also at 2:45 you're basically just making fun of nerds for being nerds and sounding like nerds. That isn't a strong point. Nerds are nerds. People don't point at nerds and feel an immediate sense of shame and insecurity quite like you do. Seek help. (all that said, you were sort of right at 4:00 about the seal update. I think people misunderstood the first "saveTF2" movement as a request for more content instead of focusing on the bot outbreak, which is the crux of the problem. The seal wasn't going to stop the bots.)
If you don’t care about the game, you dont have to be the contrarian and say the community is coping. This game’s community loves the game more than anything else. We’re tired of the bot problem. The content sphere isn’t a factor here.
He is not wrong though, the tf2 community city runs exclusively on copium now. I stopped playing the game almost 1 year ago because I realized that valve is not going to do anything. Even if valve does end up resolving the not issue I doubt I would come back to the game, sooner or later there will be another not crisis and then the community will form another fruitless movement to fix tf2.
Lots of my friends have talked so much about these same things over and over for years at this point. We honestly hate the vocal TF2 community which makes the same reddit slop time and time again without any real content. Only maybe one or two good things are made from the community every year if that. Our group still plays and loves TF2, but we have distanced ourselves from that side besides some trolling people do on r/tf2 or whatever. I think if the game can be separated it can be really enjoy just for its richness as a game. I don't think, like many people, another game as great as TF2 will come out and that's okay. This community just needs to stop making complete slop and then it would be way less brain rot as it is right now
@@disabledmechanic5316 so it is completely okay to offer unplayable servers just because the community does offer playable (albeit slight or heavily modded) servers?
@@disabledmechanic5316 it's not good business practice to make money from a product that only functions if you ignore the intended way to play the game (casual mode). who cares if you don't like casual matchmaking, the game still shouldn't be in the state it is now.
@@whatisupbois "intended way" is not the intended way the game is designed to be played casual is not how the game should be played, its how VALVe wants you to play it valve had to rush a half baked matchmaker in order to "compete" with overwatch and after seeing the success of CSGO matchmaking they tried fitting the same flawed system to a game royally not designed for it
Lmfao you were so right about this its funny to see them all coping in the comments. It was all a marketing campaign for the tf2tubers and these brainlet drones ate it right up.
@@GabrielDelvillar10 Not anymore I uninstalled when this dumb ass movement started and it became literally impossible to find a match without bots spamming about save tf2. All you morons did was make the game worse and more infested with bots. Oh and drive some engagement to those desparate youtube channels I guess
This guy genuinely has nothing to go on about and just either A. was tired and bored asf so made this slop fest of a video or B. Is so desperate for attention he needs to make this “Oh yeah guys talking about how this game that’s actively monetized is barely playable will actually make the problem worse” like bro you do NOT care about this game anymore you just want people to stop enjoying it cause you no longer find it fun cause it makes us look like “man children” for wanting the game that people actively spend money on and gets constant monetization updates to…*checks notes* function. That makes us man children guys we better pack it up
So call me “copium” and stuff but this is all stuff that applies to all pvp games like your example of overwatch and other games like rainbow six siege and even counter strike. You also happen to mention white pastie voices? Brother, you must be the king pin of all your examples.
wow making fun of their voice something they cant change also he says how tf2 players see valorant and overwatch players as drones and almost scolds us for doing that but thats just hypocritical because he does the exact same thing 9:55
I heavily disagree with this whole video. Just to give you an idea on who I am, I haven't had a brother playing tf2 for an extended period of time in years at this point, so I’m the so-called “addicted tf2 player” that you like to call everyone. I’m mostly just an outsider who likes watching tf2 content. That’s it, I can tell you why the community is upset and why none of your points work at all. Superiority Complex Here’s a lesson in sarcasm. People who post stuff super ridiculous on the internet, are most of the time just being sarcastic. I highly doubt that a large majority of the tf2 community think that they are better then other players just because they play another game, mostly because a large majority of posts that are like that are just being sarcastic. White people voice That’s not really fair to talk about whatsoever. Like, you do realize that our voice is something out of control right? Plus, why should it matter what voice someone has? This isn’t ASMR, the voice is only there to express their views on something in an audible sense. I’m not saying that you can’t dislike someone’s voice, but even pointing it out whatsoever is a dick move no matter the context, don’t do that. Cosmetics Is it wrong for people to care about something that is an integral part of TF2? I don’t think you know this, but most people like to dress up from time to time, even in insignificant ways. What do I mean by that? Well, I have an angry bird’s epic piggy as my youtube picture because I like how it looks, you have a cat screaming for whatever your reason may be. Some people really care about cosmetics for the same reason as picking our picture for youtube, some people want to mess around with a cursed scout that has 15 eyes everywhere, or a medic that’s heavily armored, but sometimes the options we have to choose form don’t match what we’re going for, which is why people care about new cosmetics being added. Seal 3:52 I'm sorry? Is trying to grab someone’s attention by adding something likable all of a sudden manipulative and wrong? Your own video is about something that people like, so isn’t this a manipulative video and you should feel ashamed for even thinking about posting it? Are you trying to say that adding the seal to TF2 and the community is a clear showcase of how starved the tf2 community is? Well I show you a cute picture of a fluffy puppy and you enjoy it, shouldn’t that same logic show you being starved for puppies and you should feel bad about that? Extremely bored I can sum up what you should do with this content that you don’t enjoy. Don’t watch it, and watch something else. Mind blowing isn’t it? You might be asking why people enjoy watching the same content over and over. Well, simple, they like hearing different points of views from some of their favorite youtubers. Or heck, maybe it’s their first time ever watching this kind of video, you gotta remember new people are entering or returning to the TF2 community everyday, so some of them might not be up to date on what’s going on. Before you say it, yes I’m aware some people just copy and paste content, but that’s not because they enjoy talking about the same thing over and over again, sometimes it’s just about the money. Play a different game This 1 point has a ton of issues, but I’ll point out only the biggest one and that, they are, but still enjoy tf2 and want to play it. What I mean by that is this. Imagine , one day, you see someone enjoying chocolate ice cream, maybe they try adding sprinkles, cherries, syrup, what not, but at the end of the day it’s still chocolate ice cream. What you’re basically telling them is to stop enjoying chocolate ice cream and try something else, but what if I told you that they already did, but they still want chocolate ice cream because nothing else 100% replaces chocolate ice cream for them. Hyper fixation Saying to someone who put effort into weapon rebalance ideas “omg just play a different game” or “stop wasting your time and go outside” is not only rude as heck, but why are you saying this stuff to someone just having fun? Yeah believe this or not, some people do this because it’s fun for them to do, and there’s nothing wrong with that. You might not understand it, heck you might even hate doing the thing they are doing, but they are having fun doing it and you shouldn’t be rude to them because of it. Cringe 8:07 - 8:27 Both of these clips are just 2 youtubers trying to be funny. Sure I didn’t find it funny and neither did you, but again, being rude about it is idiotic. Just because you didn’t find it funny doesn’t mean no one found it funny, and it’s not wrong to find this kind of content funny. Valve doesn’t care Yeah, they don’t care about the bots, and that’s why the tf2 community is angry at them. The #fixtf2 movement is all about getting the valve to care about the dang bots Fixing the bot issue is so easy No one is saying that, everyone knows that cybersecurity is a really tough job. No one is asking for a perfect game where no cheater can go more than 5 seconds before getting banned, what fixtf2 is at least doing something to tune down the bots in tf2. Didn’t we do this already Yeah they did, savetf2 didn’t do much to stop the bots. I can kinda see where you come from with “just the tf2 community coping that it will be different”. This time the way it will be handled is different, so it isn't just a repeat of savetf2. You’re not helping by review bombing, retweeting, or boycotting You know that if a company gets bad press, people are more likely to not support them. I mean, if you heard that a company dropped support for a beloved game, you would be more likely to not support the company. To them, valve is just a big evil company No one said that. TF2 fans are upset about valve’s lack of action for tf2, not that valve is the reincarnation blizzard I think this protest is gonna make it worse How? No really, how? You can’t just say that and not explain yourself. People who are apart of this movement are just sheep No, people are a part of the movement because they don’t want a beloved game to be basically unplayable. Name calling You say that you want people to think for themselves, and that you hate how the community puts others below them”. But then you immediately put the community in a bad light by calling them degenerates and fat furries. You do realize saying those adjectives are gonna cause people to not listen to the other side because “well I don’t want to listen to the other side because they are degenerates”. Plus, you’re being a hypocrite by putting yourself up on a pedestal and putting the rf2 community by name calling them like this. And now, the biggest piece of irony. “Deep down I still care about this game-” THEN WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON?! Do you want this game to be playable so new people like you can enjoy it the same way you did., or do you want people to leave the game for dead? Do you want to be able to 1 day go back and play the game again or do you want the game truly dead so you can never go back to it. Do you want the 1000 hour pro player to be able to enjoy the game, or do you want all of his practice to be wasted. If you want the ladder for any of these, then you are lying about the fact that you care about this game.
@@madmonty4761 this is only the second time, and there are clear changes to the strategy in an attempt to make sure something DOES change. If we were doing the same thing again the "protest" would be over by now, the game's review score would've remained the same, the petition wouldn't exist, and the "protest" in question would've just been a bunch of fans patting valve on the back saying "great job for making such a great game! We hope you'll keep it going!" Instead of "get your head out of your ass and do something with your nearly unlimited resources about the literal criminals in basements sending CP across your game's servers"
@@madmonty4761 There are clear and calculated changes to this movement to make sure the same thing DOESN'T happen again. If this was the same, the petition wouldn't exist, the protest would be over by now, the game's review score would be the same, people wouldn't be freaking out over the in-game economy, and the protest would've been slapping valve on the back instead of trying our best to give a titan a spanking.
0:12 to 0:16, 0:19 to 0:24, 0:37 to 0:46, 8:41 to 9:02 is toofty 9:31 to 10:04 and 11:16 to 11:34 weezy 2:38 honestly sounds like you changed how sound smith sounds I need to double check So far the rest of the video is like I have no idea who the content is taken from, while not saying the exact times you’re using other content from is fine. You probably could mention “hey the tf2 in the background came from these 5 creators, check them out” instead of making fun of people for their voice like it’s middle school again! 8:06 bullying people messing around and playing a game and having fun woohoo! 9:30 all you have done is make fun of people this entire video, literally that’s 90% of the video what is your point? 11:16 I see your side, and your side has been just “people that are passionate about a silly game and take the game nonsensicallly and like sharing that with others are crazy annoying people” and you’ve been making fun of people who still play the game and would like the experience to be better… So no I don’t agree with your side! Yes the community can be toxic, yes it can be just all the same annoying stuff but why aren’t you pointing that out? Why aren’t you pointing out how people gatekeep tf2 and try and say it’s better than the rest and give examples? You mention this and then 2s later go to make fun of people for their voice! You had a point there and lost it immediately
i was almost on your side but tbh you're kinda just being rude for no reason. i find it harder to support you as you are just being the people that you hate, just with another opinion. also telling them to go outside but responding to like 200 comments is crazy
Before I give my opinion on this video, I would like to start off with one of my favorite phrases in life which is "comparison is the thief of joy." because I think it could be applied to most situations and comparison is something that all humans do even subconsciously but what does it give you besides a negative thought in your head. Secondly, I did my homework of doing my own personal research and this is what I have to say. ( Starting off strong ) 0:43: "Isn't about SaveTF2 or FixTf2" ( [8:36] and I knowing this video is unfiltered as mentioned near the end of the video ) 1:00: I've yet to meet someone that have ever only played team fortress 2 and nothing else. Likely exaggeration for shock value. I did think you mean by the shooter genre as you show other games in the same category until you said basically anything else that isn't tf2. 2:08: Its interesting learning a new term called the "TF2 accent" and thinking about it is pretty humorous and won't escape my mind anytime now. 5:24: Hearing about people not being burned out as being bored is a paradox. overstimulated vs understimulated, Additionally, others may just like a sort of content creator's way of making their videos. 6:28: Regarding LS Mark: Being a content creator who wants to focus on a certain media consistently is completely their choice. Shoutouts to Skyrionn, May you RIP, MittenSquad, You do you, Wow Such Gaming. 6:34: "Hope you realize giving... balance changes will go towards deaf ears" but also in 6:32 says "they don't know better things exist" ( Doesn't make sense to me as content creators can still give possible balance changes which could make the current weapons even better than they are now even if it doesn't happen. ) 6:55: "and every single thing you could possibly talk about down to the most minute, boring, irrelevant details is ridiculous to me" ( I do believe the posts are meant to be satire ) 7:49: "But sitting through a 30 minute video essays" (sorry someone forced you to go through that torture) 8:50 "They already did this and nothing happened because valve doesn't care and its time to move on" says "I signed the petition" 10:04: You're not helping yourselves... seem like a cesspool of angry and entitled man-children. (One quick view of the batch of new content made by you is rant videos) and yes, you did say "Oh wait" which means you're aware. 10:14: I can't say that deadlock will be any good but by the leaked gameplay and the feedback of what the game is like, I don't believe the game is for those who like team fortress 2. I don't like the League of legends mechanics of it. 10:34: "love to see one of the best shooters" (All i need to address for a boring game) Regarding weezy's comment, i still believe this video is consider bait just by how its made. Overall, I think the video isn't entirely true and overexaggerated because I wouldn't think cheaters/botters wouldn't be as dedicated as they are to begin with if the game is dead/boring. After some thought, I came to the conclusion that you hate the portion of team fortress 2 players that go out their way to compare other games of the same genre. I see where you're going with it. There are many things to consider such as the whole overwatch vs tf2 and tf2 players wanting people like Ster_, Jerma, Muselk or any other type of person who had a past to something that made them big be mentioned constantly, corresponding it to your "why comparing games is stupid" but because of how the video is made it seem as if it's the whole community that is a problem and they shouldn't be allowed to try make things better by fixing the problem of bots. I also agree that any fanbase can be as bad, obnoxious, toxic, etc, as any other but because I don't view much content via UA-cam and Reddit other than LazyPurple, StaryKrow (which i know is cringe), Uncle Dane, and Funke, I can't point out the bad apples from the bunch, other than somewhat StaryKrow, granting me a positive perspective of the community. Definition of insanity. Fighting fire with fire. As for the FixTF2 movement, I'm supportive of it and happy to see the community working on establishing a more organized, safe, and clearer attempt in a form of a petition against cheaters/bot-hosters.
It seems everyone and their mother is throwing their hat in the ring so I’ll join in. The superiority complex is absolutely correct. Nothing wrong about that. However you lost me almost immediately after that. If you are going to present an argument, or try and criticize people. Insulting them is not the way to go about that. Which I would hope you would know especially based on all the “rage bait” comments. And I think you are very aware of that fact based on how you just fan the flames even more with your replies. Your argument has some valid points but the execution was poor and seemingly on purpose to cause an outrage. A follow up more cool headed approach with more genuine criticism would be a good idea.
This kind of video has never been made before and it shows, people are shocked and are losing their shit over truth. You've hit the spot especially with the tf2 accent and those unfunny/unoriginal/repetitive reddit posts. I also love how all the tf2 bandkids keep defending their game and tell everyone who criticize it to stop doomposting while also saying Deadlock will be dead on arrival lol.
@@RiverCiver so what? also were just gonna ignore the fact that you keep noticing and commenting on everyone except the ones who actually took their time to write a constructed response?
@@RiverCiver “Erm, what the sigma? I won’t give him the time of my day to this simple beta. I will refer to him as a ‘cockroach’ to show how inferior he is to me!” 🤓👆
@@RiverCiver Okay, if I missed such an important point, could you do me a favor and tell me what it is? Or are TF2 fans just too stupid and I need to give you more views to find out absolutely nothing?
I will agree with you on the Us vs Them being annoying. I played the shit out of TF2 and Overwatch equally, back when TF2 was still playable and Overwatch wasn’t Overwatch 2 mind you. I loved the games for different reasons. One let me be an absolute dumbass and the other let me be a super hero soldier. Those were fun! And it was frankly annoying seeing one community I was apart of constantly bash another community I was apart of. Overwatch 1 was amazing, and I hate the fact that people don’t see that. Also, yeah the meme pool has definitely started tasting samey. Some of the memes I don’t even get the joke of. What is the punchline to “Engineer gaming”? I don’t know. However, I stand firm on Fix TF2. If you constantly monetize something, you should be responsible for the upkeep on it. Otherwise stop monetizing it and just shut it down. That’s why I’m in the movement, cause I have nothing to lose if it fails. Either we win and something gets done, or we fail and the game is put out of it’s misery. I’d be weirdly okay with either, but I hate seeing it shamble on like a zombie. If that makes sense.
the whole punchline of [Insert popular character/figure] gaming is that either: A. Its comically unnatural for whatever to be doing such a non-serious act and B. A boast of power and sleek over adversaries in something that isn't even that major in reality
You know i find it rather artful that after almost 5 years of no updates that the tf2 comunity has been able to keep themselves entertaned always finding new ways to play the game always reinventing themselves without having any new content name one community that would last as long as tf2 has, i think this truly shows how tf2 is a masterpiece
ignore my points and keep 'em comin. you can call it rage bait or whatever buzzword you want, enter the mob because truth hurts.
I'm glad Valve actually did something about the bots at least for now, as you can see at 10:34. The movement not working wasn't remotely the point of the video but you won't pay attention anyways so I don't now why I'm even bothering
Doubling down until I'm proven wrong: ua-cam.com/video/lRm3iyp61WQ/v-deo.html
your points barely hold together. yeah, you have some valid criticisms but then you spend about 10 mins making fun of someone about how they sound, and then make fun of a community for wanting to play a game they enjoy. if you want people to take you seriously with your points, you have to at least take them seriously as well.
I just came to laugh at you 😂 bro just make another video
Womp Womp you were probably a overwatch fan whos now jizzing his anger in this nothing burger of a vid
Edit: This guy made 3 vids about Geometry Dash
I reported you chanel imao and maybe if you want to have better videos just keep talking about gemotrydash and if you dont like you can too 🫡🔫
dont listen to the nerds fire video
I like how you used my video as an example of TF2ber copium, conveniently skipping over the part where I mention the chances of failure are 99%.
Bait used to be believable.
Bro does not care about the game or any facts he just needs attention 🙏
ok bro,,,
Make better content bro. Also zesty jesus owned you.
I don't even think bro watched your video, he just skipped to a random section and put it in because "tf2 players are stupid dumb dumbs and I don't like them. >:("
@@Ivory708 ok quit being a jerk.
>watch tf2 youtube video
>youtuber talks about tf2
>day ruined
Lmao cope
Lol thecopeshow
@@Ivory708
Thats a waste of bait. You have a better chance at doing something by disliking comments on UA-cam
Im talking about the ones in the replies not the main comment
People still play tf2 for the same reasons people still play melee. Timeless art-style and we love the nuances of the mechanics. Just fun. Chill man
Except Melee is an unfinished piece of excrement that Nintendo wants you to forget about and buy new product, and Valve is doing the exact same thing with Deadlock.
@@nigerianstatue3411 Yeah both are games that are neglected by their owners, I was referencing why people like them. Your comment reeks of elitism and unnecessary vitriol. Ironically demonstrating everything the video criticizes tf2 players for.
@@siennas254 To be fair, wave dashing was founded as a bug in the game so I kind of agree with nigerian about this point.
@@rockowlgamer631 Sakurai has already said in an interview he was aware of wavedashing well before release.
god forbid we want to play games even if they are old. it like getting mad that chess is unplayable and should not be played/cared for, because it's old.
>Dunks on people who complain about the bad cosmetics 3:43
>complains about the bad cosmetics 7:09
believing this is crazy, but agreeing is ACTUALLY insane
Damn, talk about hypocrisy; what a shame.
@@HelluvaOpp its not even hypocrisy its just straight trollin
4chan spacing
@@someone-that-i-used-to-know Oh, right.
@@RiverCiver Bro your video’s formatted like an edgy 4chan post.
shits on tf2 for having repetitive content like weapon reviews yet made like 20+ gemoetry dash videos talking about the same levels and circle jerking geometry dash, double standards is insane
Used to like this guys content when I was younger. I'm really dissapointed with how his newer videos are turning out
7 years ago oops
@@Und3rcov3reven if this one flops the gaming isn’t dead one is actually rather accurate
@@Obviousthrowawayaccount 100%, I do like a portion of his newer content. It's just that a lot of the more opinionated ones are super exaggerated and hostile, which doesn't really drive his point
@@RiverCiver even if it was a long time ago, you have to be aware that you basically did the same shit and thus you lose all rights to be bitching about it XD
Taking into account that this guy feels the need to answer almost every comment, this can't even be called rage bait, it's just trash
Seems like he can't take people disagreeing with his opinion
He actually does answer almost every comment
What if you play other games, but also want TF2 to be playable?
You make a good point
I love tf2, but with its current state ill play other games for the sake of sanity and actually enjoying video games
@@goodknightpangestu470 so? and if those are also overrunned with bots? wouldnt you fight for it, being playable as well???
@@goodknightpangestu470 I play GMod, Rust, Helldivers 2, Dota 2, Fortnite and a few more, but TF2 will always will be my go to just to shoot and goof around. Or to play Slender Fortress, because I hate playing horrors alone.
@@WAtheAnum i used to believe Valve Will do something because i believe Valve respect the game. But its been 5 or 4 or 3 years that this game didnt get the attention like they have on Dota 2, csgo/CS2. I play Dota 2 and they still get content even tho its slow but they at least continued the Lore of the game look at tf2 rn no final comics in like ever... But please i hope IM wrong.
Let's get one thing absolutely clear, if your starting argument is "They have annoying voices" while also having the voice of an angry teenager fresh off of xbox live, you aren't making a compelling argument.
lmao
its the only comment he didnt reply to perhaps it was too hard for him
@@Professionalmustard which is funny because the annoying voice thing actually ties in with his later points of low quality slop content, if you actually watched the video you'd understand that
@@TikiChannelGaming have to brains to not watch a bait video
@@Professionalmustard does he know?
"God damn I watch TF2 videos and all they talk about in them in is TF2 related stuff. Why does every TF2 video talk about TF2? They must be bored."
The floor her is made out of floor. that must mean the house has a methane leak.
@@ChewedBubbleGun"There is not methane on the floor, because you did not see it!"
For real
such a bad strawman. give this another try I believe in you
"I win because I portrayed your opinion as the soyjack and mine as the Chad" type beat.
pay attention
@@RiverCiverstill no valid point
attention seeking and rage bait going crazy we aint making it out 40k subs
who are you
@@RiverCiverand who are you, little gremlin?
@@Dr.greencreator228 RiverCiver, it literally says it right there
@@joketrain ofc i know his nickname, Mr. Obvious, my comment has other meaning, try figuiring it out
@@RiverCiver that mans your elder by 1 year. Lil fella
I do agree with you that the "wholesome chungus TF2 based anything else bad" mentality is awful, A lot of people do. I also agree with your segment on the sheer amount of boredom we have. but it's just two things in particular that I just disagree with.
"move on"
Where though? Where is a game that has such great weapon design, visual design, and isn't competitive battlepass slop? TF2 is one of a kind (timeless if you will), that's the only reason it still has its players.
there is no way in hell that something like rocket jumping or market gardening would exist in a post-COD industry. or even most of the weapons in the game. let alone a character like Spy.
is it really that selfish to ask Valve to fix TF2? especially since they are still actively "supporting" the game by pumping microtransactions into 3 times a year?
PS: TF2 Reddit and Especially Twitter don't represent most of the players, they mainly consist of people who just watch from the sidelines. kinda like Sonic the Hedgehog.
obivously he's just don't get it
I kinda agree with some of the points he made, I used to have a terrible experience when I was new to the game because of the community, now at 1.7k hours, I decided to come back to it and see what's up, since I main spy, people automatically started treating me like crap whenever I failed a trickstab because people are more aware now than before. What's worse is when people say the tf2 community is the friendliest when I had friendlier experiences playing League of Legends.
For the "move on" part, I agree that there is no character like Spy or mechanics like market gardening in other games, but in my opinion, playing the same game for a long time starts to get boring after a while. I'd recommend the Yakuza series or indie games if you want to try sometime.
Where, you ask?
Bioshock 2's multiplayer has great gameplay, theres a lot of strategizing to be had on what plasmids, weapons, and weapon upgrades to use.
Official servers dont really work, as Bioshock 2 is almost as old as TF2, but there are many small pocket communities that run their own private matches on private servers.
Cheaters are not really an issue since you can just isolate them and prevent them from joining your game due to how the private servers are run.
If you know anything about Bioshock 1 and 2 im sure I dont have to tell you that visual design is stunning and is not even that far off from TF2.
The characters you can play as all have the same hp, and the only difference is their voice lines, but they are also very charismatic each with distinct personalities and backstories. if you liked the engineer I recommend playing as the welder, Jacob Norris.
I played a couple rounds after I got bored of TF2 and it was honestly refreshing, I can only recommend it.
agree
its actually surreal to see a good point among the brain rot. even though you disagree i should have brought up some alternatives after saying "play a different game" because there really aren't any. thanks for taking the time. tf2 reddit and twitter are a vocal minority too i agree, but do represent a lot of the community.
Bait used to be believable.
_insert hornet smoking image_
@@the866-sushi Discord groom victim physique
found one
He talked about lethal company and moisty the same way he did here too so no wonder lmao
how to talk about superiority complex while having a superiority complex tutorial
Bro is hypocritical, straight wrong, or, twists facts throughout this entire video this man is not trustworthy 🙏
communist doggo
@@RiverCiver "starving wisdom doggo"
@@RiverCiverreal life example
Word salad krunt
yeah lets destroy a beloved game that people played over a decade and still better then the new shit keep yapping
you said yapping
@@RiverCiver yeah? bc u are just saying nonsense.
@@RiverCiver Yapping has been a term used in the English language for many upon many years and only got more popular recently. There is nothing that makes it invalidate an opinion. In fact, Ignoring someone because of a singular word he or she used is in fact something that would invalidate your argument.
@@RiverCiver”Erm, that term ‘yapping’ is really beta and not alpha in the slightest! These tf2 fans are so L rizz!” 🤓👆
Disagree bro sorry
He's making a lot of good points tbh
Yeah, there's nothing like tf2 in the world anywhere else.
@@lmao6142 so? *tell me one*
Womp womp
@@lmao6142 tell ma one brothja
What’s wrong with people just wanting their game to be playable
The don't get the fucking hint that valve doesn't care
@@madmonty4761 that’s the whole point of trying one last time to make them care
@@madmonty4761 goofy aah, we already know that.
With that you showed why his video completely useless and it's just a rage bait vid
@@boi853 actually true, time to dox
different opinions is fine, but this video is just too agressive
True
I want to like this video but he’s just being an asshole for most of it. There are real criticisms to be made about TF2 and its community, but this guy just makes fun of people having fun for most of it.
It's agressive and basically just ragebait and with a side of strawman sindrome bc ditching geometry dash basically killed his nothing channel and he needed some atention.
Jesus Christ, @@boi853! You didn't have to murder him
Valve is burnout and hate ur dogpoop play something else
this video is that one image of a dog getting pet with a caption:
,, oooh who’s an edgy boy yes you are oooh what a hot take your statements are so controversial what an edgy boy "
dog
@@RiverCiverI love how u call people bored while u spend time replying to comments on your video
@@Pifllefr
@@RiverCivermaybe touch some grass, not shit in your basement and answer every comment little gremlin?
@@Pifllefr , also what do you expect from someone that claims that moist critical is ruining youtube
And also, the whole premise of the video stops making sense when you are making fun of someone talking about a serious crime like doxxing
what a specific thing to bring up
@@RiverCiver Its still relevant though, you literally made fun of the way most TF2 youtubers sound, which is just uneeded, how does it contribute to your arguement at all
@@GleebieDeebieYeah! The guy is tone deaf, AND AN EDGELORD!
@@RiverCiver You can't talk about FixTF2 without failing to realise what lead up to it.
@@GleebieDeebie ad hominem
So this is what a #KillTF2 vid looks like 💀
Yes mostly all of them are like this
Ikr lmao since #fixtf2 came out all these random ass tf2 ytbers came out criticizing the comm lol they’re not doing anything to save the game they’re technically useless af
@@char.ger-3321 technically this guys a geometry dash ytuber
@@gansterchompernoscopeblazit no wonder he made that rage bait lol
he never said he wants it to die though
is bro regretting making this video about fixtf2 after valve banned 20,000 bots?
Thers more
10:34
@@RiverCiversooo.... Are you gonna try it again
Common L, this aged like a fine wine
Honestly, I wish I could just play a different game, but none of the available PvP shooters really scratch the same itch as TF2. I don't even play TF2 anymore; I genuinely just want another, more casual 12v12 shooter or something like that. There's clearly a gap in the market that hasn't been filled yet. Once it has, hopefully they will move on.
Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare (the first one, haven't played the second one yet)
It's old too and the first one usually has long que times the second one doesn't though the bots have disappeared I am a long time player
@@metalmaple-fluffyhoney54GW2 is a better version in 99% of ways (excluding the fact its servers are also way more active)
@@DogStudi0 oh dang, I didn't know
Well peck :/
TF2 Classic and Open Fortress are a good replacement for TF2, M8
Bro woke up and chose to be that guy who just likes to insult everyone for no reason.
Yeah. That's pretty much the summary of the video. I know that this is freedom of speech that sometimes hurt but isn't the point of it to make outline, asking for improve or fix glaring issues (eg. the bot issues TF2 and CS2 have) and not mean to insults for things that you don't like or disagree which just make unnecessary fights instead.
Tf2 does that everyday to every other game thats 1500x more popular
bro is in ohio skibidi
@@Deezsirrer Example? And don't give me an obvious meme or troll because they are everywhere.
bro really sheesh gang only in ohio
>be this guy
>walk into a hospital
>see a doctor treating a patient
>"Pfft... Why don't you do something else! LOLZ!"
>walk out
>feel extremely proud of yourself
4chan spacing
>le funny green arrow meme
>le XD
"why are you wasting your time treating this person? he's gonna die anyways" - RiverCiver
stop using 4chan loser
@@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415 doesn't matter the format, point still stands
You say them fixing the anticheat is hard then why are there no bots in community servers? Valve doesnt even have to code shit they just need to port stuff the community has done into the game, simple
yea like if getting the bots out is hard then why are there no bots in other games
@@Boggletrop because valve doesn't like "treadmill work"
which basically just translates to "we make stuff but maintaining them isn't as fun so we won't maintain them"
bro have you seen the state of CS2
@@jonathanbradshaw7573 yea it has the bots because it has the same anti cheat, ig a better way to say it is to fix vac
Because no one would host on community servers that quite literally have slightly better anticheat than VAC, even if you would use lmaobox's SMAC bypass they would be manually banned in less than 3 hours atleast
Why the crap are you gong on the reddit of a game you hate? Oh, nvm, this is bait...
devalued
@@RiverCiver Why did you choose to make a video where you make like 1 valid point then spent the rest of the time mocking people for liking something different than you? That's shameful
@@BenryTheMii really nothing but shame and he pretends that there’s different alternatives to this game when he say “ just move on” there really isn’t has he even tried looking for alternative for tf2 I doubt it. I’m pretty sure if you tried you’re not gonna find anything that actually goes on the same level or type as team fortress two
@@RiverCiver”Erm, this guy got under my skin! I will reply with ‘devalued’ because then he’ll think he’s a waste of my time! Yes! I’m a genius!” 🤓👆
BRO THE TF2 ACCENT HAS BEEN AN INSIDE JOKE WITH ME AND MY FRIENDS FOR YEARS FINALLY SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT
it needs to become mainstream
i also noticed it, everytime i use VC the people on the other end sound the exact same lol
rage bait is insane rn
nah
@@RiverCiveryah
It is rage bait and you're a entitled snowflake that moans about the community that's still lives on to this day. Get used to it
@@RiverCiveryah
@@RiverCiver”Oh no! I don’t have another sigma counter argument to make to this comment! I will reply with ‘nah’ so I can show off my alpha wolf physique and scare away this beta!” 🤓👆🐺🐺
this video just feels really pessimistic and hostile for no good reason
good
@@RiverCiverbros spamming good on every comment literally describes this entire video
@@RiverCiveryou're literally just crying in every comment that calls you out lmfao keep crying kiddo
Get back to yo basement@@RiverCiver
@@SaipritOriginal funny thing is he calling everyone else a robot but he’s literally acting more like bot then anything like who has the time to reply on every comment that you see?
wow the fixtf2 statement aged like milk
not the point
@@RiverCiver what was the point? also I know you're liking you're own replies
@@RiverCiver you’re actually right there, cuz there was no point in this video, that’s how nonsensical it is
jesus christ this guy is just dumping hooks in the water
Lol
RiverCiver is nuttyer than a candy bar shit
"extremely bored" sorry ill just play the new update ig
I wish my literal limited time event maps weren't overrun by bots...
not the point
What new update lol
@@RiverCiver
> "Gaming's most bored community"
> "Boredom is not the major focus"
soo.... which one?
That's the point, like where to? River doesn't know that to begin with
so you aren't allowed to love games anymore?
It speaks volumes that TF2 is able to keep a giant fanbase despite its age, while other life service titles die of.
For being such a loyal fanbase and sticking to a fun as fuck game, we would expect Valve to do something for us.
Right now, shitting on TF2 seems so funny because its a "dead game", but thats only because we are at our probably lowest point in TF2s lifespan and its so unfair to point to us and make fun of us for wanting change.
yh this basically summarises all my points after watching the vid
Most TF2 "fans" don't like the game or understand anything about it, they just adopt the community as part of their identity because they are literally autistic children (and yes I do mean actual young kids who most likely have a real diagnosis for actual real life autism)
This by itself wouldn't be such a problem if this community wasn't also filled with bad actors like the ones described in this video who know that and effectively prey on such kids.
Yes, you aren't allowed to like things earnestly anymore
2024, be hated for loving a game close to your heart
honestly it would have been fine if everyone saw that this vid is flawed in so many ways or just take into account our side in all of this but instead it pisses me off that anyone who is on our side is just called a coper whatsoever
> makes shitty bait
> gets called out
> gets upset and calls them a bot
> thinks he won something
4chan spacing
@@RiverCiver Thought I should speak in your language.
@@DrJay-vd9tfholy shit dude
@@DrJay-vd9tf This goes crazy ngl
@@RiverCiverthat’s the third time you mentioned 4chan spacing. Why don’t you use your 2 brain cells to figure out a coherent argument.
I’ve been replying to his replies on comments the past 30 minutes, and all I have to say is everything he says in the video is contrived by what he says in the comments. He’s replying with stuff like “brainrotted” or when someone says he’s being aggressive he says “good.” I also realize almost all his replies are single words.
shut up
Bro is one bad day from being a bot hoster.
lmao
@@TheBrims he’s prolly already one lmao this pushy doesn’t see that much success in his life so he needs stuff that’ll make him feel good about himself quickly lol
bwo that’s quite the claim
@@RiverCiver Its been 3 weeks hop off bud
@@RiverCiver bwo it's quite the joke
Points in this vid:
-people with high voice bad.
-peopel that dont play many games are bad.
-looking at small Details is bad.
-trying to get good anti-cheat is bad.
pay attention
@@RiverCiverHow about you do that yourself first and then you can begin to tell others what to do. Also the movement worked, cope and seethe.
Deadlock looks like complete dogshit. Tf2 is full with bots. CS2 is full with cheaters and no updates. Valve just does whatever they want because steam makes them stupid money.
Its probably still early in development, give it the benefit of the doubt but its ok to make your disinterest in it clear
@@desko2041 It already has finished art direction, wdym
i get the community IF THEY HAVE ITEMS WORTH 6K
no one ever said "play something other than counter strike, call of duty, gta" or shit like that, let em be bro
Half of this video is just making fun of people's voices.
Nice argument bro
half
Oh sorry other half is saying that trying to fix tf2 is cope
@@RiverCiver”Half.” Yeah, like half of this script is probably chatgpt’d because you’re some 18 year old high school drop out who failed 7th grade writing.
I love how you go over the tf2 community having a superiority complex while the entire video you are like “yeah I like tf2 but unlike those drones I am a fatalist 😎”
What else is the community supposed to do? Not protest? Valve litteraly just abounded the game like it's nothing, of course people are going to be mad
6:29 very aggresive callout to Ls mark for no reason
Is he wrong?
he's not wrong lol
@@OfficerIDPDhe may not be wrong but at least Ls mark is doing that cuz he seems to enjoy family guy a lot, same thing with how tf2tubers enjoy makin content on their very old game, even if it’s already been talked about by other tf2tubers
@@WandererMaxym I mean just because they enjoy making the content that they do doesn't mean they are above criticism.
@@OfficerIDPD well of course, I wasn’t saying they were immune to criticism, that’s why I said that he’s not wrong. I’m just saying that in my opinion I don’t think it’s that bad but people are entitled to their own opinions y’know?
you made me open my third eye, BUT im still gonna play tf2 just to annoy mf's as gun spy >:)
Yes, police, this man is the one being based.
good
I do agree in some of the stuff you said but I feel that this whole video is a massive over generalization of a large community and saying "everybody is like this" just isn't true and then you go on to make fun of people's voices which just kind of invalidates your arguments. overall this just seems like rage bait (Update valve has taken action so it turns out we weren't shouting into a void after all)
if you have to result to making fun of peoples attributes, then im not gonna listen and respect whatever comes out of your mouth next.
@@pug-n Exactly
all these points are true, and this community just can't accept that
Do I smell bullshit here? Because I definitely smell some bullshit.
marvel
@@RiverCiverself like?
@@RiverCiver try not to reply 1 word answers:impossible
@@RiverCiverWhat? I can’t even think of anything this shit is just fucking delusional.
TF2 was designed in a very careful and specific way to make the gameplay enjoyable (for example timeless art style with team recognition, iconic 9 classes). There's only 9 classes but that's enough for the player cause each one of them has their individual personality which is crucial element in making bond and immersion for player. While new games like overwatch has 20+ characters which i personally haven't felt that immersion. In Overwatch to change the gameplay like making it something different you need a new character with new abilities while in TF2 you still got 9 classes but you keep adding more weapons to their arsenal which is even better and easier than making whole new character with almost no flavour in their personality. Also the competition in TF2 is basically more wacky and fun than in Overwatch and other newly made shooter games. That is why people still love TF2 and that's also why TF2 is very well made timeless masterpiece.
The game is shit man just accept it go play a good game
@@gusapno poor ass bait
@@gusapno go play overwatch 2 then and have a healthy life instead of typing worthless nothing adding comment
"Just consoom product and get excited for next product" mentality on ur part bro. If a game is good imma play it.
Also FixTF2 is valid because Valve is still making a lot of money from tf2, if you weren't aware.
Its also been 7 years since the last major update (6 if you count the last major update is blue moon) i think we’re more than a little sick of the radio silence at this point
Edit: typos
are you hyped for the summer update
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 nope. This game is borderline unplayable outside of community servers
@@caramelcandys i personally like community servers way more than casual, most of my 1.7k hours came from com servers, casual gets boring after a while tbh, vsh/freak fortress 2 and jailbreak were the most fun i had
@@caramelcandys sure sure i already know youre ready to unbox those cases
deadlock devs when they face the same "treadmill work" but now its not cs2 or tf2
True. I never understood where the Tf2 community got the audacity to harass other people over the natural decay of an old game. No other community but Tf2 cannot come to terms with the fact, that perhaps your game is dying is not a massive made up narcissistic conspiracy, but perhaps the fact its over 12 years old game by now!
Albert Einstein once said: “Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute.”
i can confirm this as a person living in his german hometown
Instead of just saying “Video bad, you suck, cope and seethe” I’m gonna give you an actual critique.
Good points
- You’re right that a lot of TF2 fans seem to have a superiority complex against other FPS like Overwatch, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc. And while I do believe TF2 does a lot of things better than these games, the people who say “TF2 better than ____” or “TF2 killed ____” are just saying nothing.
- 5:30 I get being annoyed that everyone seems to talk about the same weapon 100x over. I’m pretty bored of it too and can see it as lazy content. HOWEVER*
- 8:58: It’s true that the bot issue is probably gonna be harder than people are taking it for. Especially with the source spaghetti slop that is TF2’s code.
Bad Points
- 0:09: “It’s a great game.” 0:25: “Community of degenerates that continues to play this game.” You quite literally contradict yourself within not even the first half minute of the video. Call it nitpicking, but saying the game is good then complaining about how people continue to play it is incredibly idiotic.
- 1:18: Why does this matter? So what people only play a handful of classes? It’s not a crime to play the game how you want.
- You seem to act like Reddit and Twitter are the entire TF2 community in a nutshell. There are a major chunk within (More than the actual true player count), some people just want to play the game.
- 2:30: This is just insulting people for no reason. Why tf does it matter what a person’s voice sounds like? The only thing this really contributes to is just making you look like the degenerate you’re calling the fanbase. It makes even less sense when you show Lazypurple and Shounic as good examples (7:49) despite them having that similar “Pasty High-pitched 20s something white person voice” you dunked on like 10 people 5 minutes ago.
- 3:42: You’re being mad at people actually caring about the game. And it’s not about the number of cosmetics. There are indeed clearly enough. The problem is that the ones that are added aren’t of good quality. You literally say at 11:00 that they’re “below mediocre”. It’s like a streaming service publishing new sh#tty shows when they clearly have enough. No need to complain about people wanting quality products. Especially since you pay for these items with real money.
- 3:59: You act like this is the singular reason for people liking the Summer Update. People liked the Summer Update because 1. It was in response to the SaveTF2 as it wasn’t just a bare bones tweet from Valve, but also a blog post beforehand telling creators to prepare for it. (Something they didn’t do before). Which leads to 2. The quality of the additions within the update. You even said this yourself: “a decent enough update compared to the garbage they usually shove out” (3:36). Not only that, but also broke the player record. (Which has sadly been proving to be bots, but it boosted player morale at the time) And 3. It looked like a step in the right direction. That Valve was actually going to pay more attention and commit more to TF2. It was baby steps, but given enough time, it seemed the future was looking bright. And yet you said that “nothing happened”. (8:50)
- *It’s not inherently a bad thing to have multiple videos on the same weapon. People have different opinions and that’s why people make videos on it. If there was only one video on that weapon, then there’s less room to really discuss varying thoughts on it. But it does get annoying when people just talk about it with not much else going for it.
- 6:50: Again, WHO THE F#CK cares about what’s on reddit. It’s FREAKING REDDIT for God’s sake.
- 8:09: These are just clipdumps on the game. Literally every game that has ever been on youtube has these. This has been going on since youtube’s creation. It’s people having fun and making cringe funny jokes with their friends. You even participated in shenanigans like this as shown from your screenshots at the start of the video. (Bumper-cart racing, bald engineers, stacking soldiers)
- 9:27: It’s not about shouting at the little development team TF2 has. It’s about confronting Valve, the publisher and owner of the game. Who despite being a billion dollar company that has become a king and staple of the gaming industry, refuses to solve any of the problems that has been plaqueing TF2 for nearly 8 f#cking years.
- 9:35: What sets FixTF2 from SaveTF2 is the approach. Back in 2022, the community didn’t want to seem like a bunch of angry soyboys that were dunking on a beloved game company. I mean it could be seen as a miracle that Valve even updated a game so old. So SaveTF2 was more of a demonstration on why TF2 should be saved. How deeply loved and cherished the game was and why Valve should take time to fix it. And all we really got was a pat on the back, a promise, and a decent summer update. But after nearly an entire year with the bot crisis getting worse and seemingly nothing changing, the community decided they needed a more “direct” approach. Valve continued to profit off of TF2 despite barely fixing any of the problems. And with the problems facing some of Valve’s newer games, such as CS2, the company is starting to get flak from people outside the TF2 community. Which is why we began boycotting cosmetics and reviewbombing the game. And we have seen success with the recent Helldivers 2 fiasco so there is proof that this can work. The plan for FixTF2 is to not back down until Valve truly does something.
- 10:16: Deadlock hasn’t even been announced yet. Who knows if it’ll even be greenlit, especially with the leak.
- 11:15: What exactly do you mean “both sides”? This ain’t even a criticism, I’m just confused on what the sides there are.
Overall, this video does make some good points that should be listened to too. This community has its flaws, some you’ve shown.But you repeatedly undermine and contradict yourself throughout the video.
words words words
not reading allat
read allat so here's your bad points
1) not a coherent argument
2) okay
3) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community"
4) he is clearly displaying aristole's method of debate, plebian (also it's funny)
5) not a coherent argument
6) not a coherent argument (the summer update was *worked on before savetf2)
7) not even an argument against the video
8) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community"
9) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community"
10) not a coherent argument
11) okay
12) it's a controlled leak to gauge audience interest, the bad backlash will probably mean it is cancelled so okay
13) idk either but I'd guess he meant see on the side of other games
overall, totally incoherent. too many appeals to emotions and a fundamental misunderstanding of the video. you saw it from both sides and had a couple bad points that were actually valid, so 4/10
@@pelhami
1) Fair
2) okay
3) He acts like the entire community is simply reddit and twitter
4) I don't see which part that supposedly is supposed to represent aristole's method of debate, I doubt he based a rant off it, and "funny" as it is, mindlessly dunking on people for such a stupid reason is no way to get any point across. (And for someone calling others plebian and using ancient methodology, you seem to barely give any other points besides "not a coherent argument")
5) I think people caring about if they're getting good products they need to pay for is a very valid argument
6) Fair on the development thing, however it was still around the time which is why people were hyped. Also my points on the quality(which I cited him saying was decent) and that seeming to be a step in the right direction I say are valid.
7) It's less to be an argument against him but rather an commentary on what he said about there being multiple videos on the same thing. I'm saying that by itself is fine, it's that most of these videos say the same thing with little changes, which is why I understand where's he's coming from.
8) He acts like the entire community is simply reddit and twitter
9) You keep saying it's on "the community". yet the point he makes here can apply to basically any community. If you search up gameplay for games like Minecraft, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, CSGO, and the sort, you'll find similar clips. While you can make the argument that the video is on the community and only that, it makes the point he tries to make feel incoherent. And even them, his examples are weak. It's not like any of them are slaying slurs or being creepy in those clips. (Which would have supported his argument better if he had shown those parts)
10) I think wanting a billion dollar company to do something about a broken product they continue to profit off of is pretty reasonable.
11) okay
12) It also may be hella despised due to how well-known and loved TF2 is and seeing Valve just focus on a different shooter will probably ignite a huge uproar, possibly causing the game to fail. (Not in defense, this isn't a good outcome for anyone. But it does seem like a likely possibility)
13) Yeah, but he doesn't really makes sense. He doesn't seem to talk from the perspective of other shooter fans
overall, you keep saying "not a coherent argument" but you never explain how, make your argument noncoherent in the process. There are point he makes that are entirely valid, but he overshadows them by continuously contradicting himself to fit what he's saying, and just wanton insulting people for arbitrary reason. No one's gonna listen to you if you don't keep a stable pov and insult them the whole time. But you did make a few good counterpoints, so 4/10 for you as well.
@@Shock-N-Awe We're not having a debate, I'm dismissing your bad points and fallacies by calling them incoherent. I don't care to reply to any of your points because you're gay, and I hope you can learn to argue better with concise points. Point 12, for example, in this reply is utterly schizoprenic and is not grounded in reality at all. Bad form.
8:45 didn’t age well since valve actually did something and banned a massive amount of bots also kinda get some of your opinions on the community but that is a small minority and 5:26 can you really call people boring for talking about tf2 in a tf2 video what do you want them to talk about the bot crisis the lack of any updates well probably not since you call people whiny for bringing it up
Exactly what does he expect people to do
Bro really watched this video after editing, probably more than twice and really said: "Yeah, this is a good upload"
Bro talks about slop he does not know what he’s posting
@@Meridian453 his channel died after ditching geometry dash, of course he's getting desperate for any attention
bwo
@@RiverCiver terminally online type of writing😹😹😹
@@RiverCiver7 days and no likes is actually wild
the comment section on this one sure is something. i ain't even gonna take a side, gotta watch this Circus burn.
My biggest issue with this whole thing is how the bot hosters went as far as to dox, harras, ddos, fake dmca claim, send links to Cheese Pizza (if ykyk) Like these are VERY illegal stuff and if Valve choses to ignore it, just proves how little care they have.
Welp, if TF2 will enter under investigation because of said things, Valve will surely have wished they fixed this issue sooner. Because how in the hell does any live service game company allows its game to be a host for Cheese Pizza content.
different opinions are completely ok but this video is pretty agressive man
yeah you must know alot about slop
Oh yh RiverCiver was THE slop man when he was doing GD content
i edit
@@Zpice only person who ever edited his videos
@@Zpice i can name 3 slop men who were better than riverciver (at the time of their content, some of them may have stopped doing gdslop)
@@llamersvevo28 It was good shit back then tho, I won't lie. Its more the standard of GD content was low where the best content creators in 2017-18 edited on Windows Movie Maker and iMovie. I don't think slop was the right term in saying here, but what I meant was I used to eat it up during the end of 2.0 -> start of 2.1
ngl u got the tf2 voice u claim exists
That's hilarious, I gotta be honest.
said that
@@RiverCiver still, y- [burp] sorry... as i was sayi- [burp] pardon me [burp] fuck shit [belch] [burp] [burp] ohhhh im so bloated [buuuuuuuuurp]
this has got to be either a poorly informed critique or rage bait. but i get seeing the other side and understanding valves position. still, despite the fact that i think itll fail, im still gonna support this game till it dies.
its a pathetic attempt at rage bait.
agreed. River's such a manchild himself, an obivous snowflake
Honestly… I just want the bots gone, Idc about updates.
Christ's sake just play on Community servers.
@@joketrain I do play on them, but that is not a permanent fix.
@@stephaniedibello2150 me too I just wanna play assassin creed spy again without bots
@@stephaniedibello2150 It's the most permanent you're gonna get without employing a "permanent solution to a temporary problem", so to speak.
I don't think it's entitlement to want Valve to perform maintenance and upkeep on a videogame that they currently harvest a healthy profit from. A product shouldn't be profitable if it ceases its intended function due to a lack of maintenance. Valve still develops new hat crates and other things every several months that draw a profit in from the game, so its their responsibility to make sure these products and the environment they work in is functional and isn't being tampered with by bot hosters. I'm saying this as someone who plays TF2 seldomly at this point and is knee deep in a plethora of other indie games, multiplayer games, a few larger releases, and everything in between (my current focal point is a mix of Helldivers 2, modded minecraft, Deep Rock Galactic, and 9 Bit Armies).
10:18
Team Fortress 2's ongoing domination by bot hosters is a security implication for Valve's other products. They've introduced a very easy target for bot hosters and hackers to tamper with the product and render it essentially non-functional, and hackers and bot hosters who are eager for their next big fish might start looking to Valve's newer products and properties. CS 2 is already swarming with cheaters (though not necessarily fully automated bots), for instance. It would be unwise for them to release a new product that would be susceptible to the same kinds of problems as their old product and to do nothing to remedy the problems with their old product.
Also at 2:45 you're basically just making fun of nerds for being nerds and sounding like nerds. That isn't a strong point. Nerds are nerds. People don't point at nerds and feel an immediate sense of shame and insecurity quite like you do. Seek help.
(all that said, you were sort of right at 4:00 about the seal update. I think people misunderstood the first "saveTF2" movement as a request for more content instead of focusing on the bot outbreak, which is the crux of the problem. The seal wasn't going to stop the bots.)
If you don’t care about the game, you dont have to be the contrarian and say the community is coping.
This game’s community loves the game more than anything else. We’re tired of the bot problem. The content sphere isn’t a factor here.
He is not wrong though, the tf2 community city runs exclusively on copium now. I stopped playing the game almost 1 year ago because I realized that valve is not going to do anything. Even if valve does end up resolving the not issue I doubt I would come back to the game, sooner or later there will be another not crisis and then the community will form another fruitless movement to fix tf2.
@@TheGreatOne-gw7xh fair enough, you don’t have to be on board with the movement. But your defeatist attitude won’t stop us from at least trying.
Lots of my friends have talked so much about these same things over and over for years at this point. We honestly hate the vocal TF2 community which makes the same reddit slop time and time again without any real content. Only maybe one or two good things are made from the community every year if that. Our group still plays and loves TF2, but we have distanced ourselves from that side besides some trolling people do on r/tf2 or whatever. I think if the game can be separated it can be really enjoy just for its richness as a game. I don't think, like many people, another game as great as TF2 will come out and that's okay. This community just needs to stop making complete slop and then it would be way less brain rot as it is right now
maybe start with being not so overly agreessive and negative if you want your opinion to be treated seriously
nah
@@RiverCiversounds like an invalid argument. Wait, it is!
"Too aggressive"
Shut up. If you can't handle harshness, get off the Internet. So damn sick of you snowflakes.
@@RiverCiver ok so you cry about people not taking you seriously, then you don’t take actual critique seriously. What’s your strategy here lol
@@RiverCiver”Erm, I don’t like this betas bickering. I will reply with ‘nah’ to show true alpha male dominance.” 🤓👆🐺🐺🐺
is it wrong to want a product that is offered as *functional* to be functional?
functional on community server
@@disabledmechanic5316 so it is completely okay to offer unplayable servers just because the community does offer playable (albeit slight or heavily modded) servers?
@@sylva4052 yes because the community alternatives have been better
casual is also tehnically modded with a shit matchmaker and stupid game changes
@@disabledmechanic5316 it's not good business practice to make money from a product that only functions if you ignore the intended way to play the game (casual mode). who cares if you don't like casual matchmaking, the game still shouldn't be in the state it is now.
@@whatisupbois "intended way" is not the intended way the game is designed to be played
casual is not how the game should be played, its how VALVe wants you to play it
valve had to rush a half baked matchmaker in order to "compete" with overwatch and after seeing the success of CSGO matchmaking they tried fitting the same flawed system to a game royally not designed for it
Tf2 is the online game you play when you dont have a beefy computer to play other games everyone else is playing
Lmfao you were so right about this its funny to see them all coping in the comments. It was all a marketing campaign for the tf2tubers and these brainlet drones ate it right up.
Do you even play this game
Cope = I win
@@GabrielDelvillar10 Not anymore I uninstalled when this dumb ass movement started and it became literally impossible to find a match without bots spamming about save tf2. All you morons did was make the game worse and more infested with bots. Oh and drive some engagement to those desparate youtube channels I guess
Well now, what results did this "marketing campaign" yield now?
Brother, all you do is yap and complain about games for views
'At least they get updates'
- me before 2.2
i was sayin that too lol
This guy genuinely has nothing to go on about and just either A. was tired and bored asf so made this slop fest of a video or B. Is so desperate for attention he needs to make this “Oh yeah guys talking about how this game that’s actively monetized is barely playable will actually make the problem worse” like bro you do NOT care about this game anymore you just want people to stop enjoying it cause you no longer find it fun cause it makes us look like “man children” for wanting the game that people actively spend money on and gets constant monetization updates to…*checks notes* function. That makes us man children guys we better pack it up
Facts
project
@@RiverCiver 3 weeks late bud GL milking tho
@@Meridian453 this is fun though
@@RiverCiver copy paste response try again 🥱
bait so shitty its beginning to sound like FixTF2 doomers
So call me “copium” and stuff but this is all stuff that applies to all pvp games like your example of overwatch and other games like rainbow six siege and even counter strike. You also happen to mention white pastie voices? Brother, you must be the king pin of all your examples.
this video is the farthest thing from constructive, you're just a bully
This has kinda been the case for years now. Bit of a shame tbh
no, its just rage bait
Its hard not to be a "bully" when you people are so sensitive
He’s not
wow making fun of their voice something they cant change
also he says how tf2 players see valorant and overwatch players as drones and almost scolds us for doing that but thats just hypocritical because he does the exact same thing 9:55
I heavily disagree with this whole video.
Just to give you an idea on who I am, I haven't had a brother playing tf2 for an extended period of time in years at this point, so I’m the so-called “addicted tf2 player” that you like to call everyone. I’m mostly just an outsider who likes watching tf2 content. That’s it, I can tell you why the community is upset and why none of your points work at all.
Superiority Complex
Here’s a lesson in sarcasm. People who post stuff super ridiculous on the internet, are most of the time just being sarcastic. I highly doubt that a large majority of the tf2 community think that they are better then other players just because they play another game, mostly because a large majority of posts that are like that are just being sarcastic.
White people voice
That’s not really fair to talk about whatsoever. Like, you do realize that our voice is something out of control right? Plus, why should it matter what voice someone has? This isn’t ASMR, the voice is only there to express their views on something in an audible sense. I’m not saying that you can’t dislike someone’s voice, but even pointing it out whatsoever is a dick move no matter the context, don’t do that.
Cosmetics
Is it wrong for people to care about something that is an integral part of TF2? I don’t think you know this, but most people like to dress up from time to time, even in insignificant ways. What do I mean by that? Well, I have an angry bird’s epic piggy as my youtube picture because I like how it looks, you have a cat screaming for whatever your reason may be.
Some people really care about cosmetics for the same reason as picking our picture for youtube, some people want to mess around with a cursed scout that has 15 eyes everywhere, or a medic that’s heavily armored, but sometimes the options we have to choose form don’t match what we’re going for, which is why people care about new cosmetics being added.
Seal
3:52
I'm sorry? Is trying to grab someone’s attention by adding something likable all of a sudden manipulative and wrong? Your own video is about something that people like, so isn’t this a manipulative video and you should feel ashamed for even thinking about posting it?
Are you trying to say that adding the seal to TF2 and the community is a clear showcase of how starved the tf2 community is? Well I show you a cute picture of a fluffy puppy and you enjoy it, shouldn’t that same logic show you being starved for puppies and you should feel bad about that?
Extremely bored
I can sum up what you should do with this content that you don’t enjoy. Don’t watch it, and watch something else. Mind blowing isn’t it? You might be asking why people enjoy watching the same content over and over. Well, simple, they like hearing different points of views from some of their favorite youtubers. Or heck, maybe it’s their first time ever watching this kind of video, you gotta remember new people are entering or returning to the TF2 community everyday, so some of them might not be up to date on what’s going on.
Before you say it, yes I’m aware some people just copy and paste content, but that’s not because they enjoy talking about the same thing over and over again, sometimes it’s just about the money.
Play a different game
This 1 point has a ton of issues, but I’ll point out only the biggest one and that, they are, but still enjoy tf2 and want to play it.
What I mean by that is this.
Imagine , one day, you see someone enjoying chocolate ice cream, maybe they try adding sprinkles, cherries, syrup, what not, but at the end of the day it’s still chocolate ice cream.
What you’re basically telling them is to stop enjoying chocolate ice cream and try something else, but what if I told you that they already did, but they still want chocolate ice cream because nothing else 100% replaces chocolate ice cream for them.
Hyper fixation
Saying to someone who put effort into weapon rebalance ideas “omg just play a different game” or “stop wasting your time and go outside” is not only rude as heck, but why are you saying this stuff to someone just having fun?
Yeah believe this or not, some people do this because it’s fun for them to do, and there’s nothing wrong with that. You might not understand it, heck you might even hate doing the thing they are doing, but they are having fun doing it and you shouldn’t be rude to them because of it.
Cringe
8:07 - 8:27
Both of these clips are just 2 youtubers trying to be funny. Sure I didn’t find it funny and neither did you, but again, being rude about it is idiotic. Just because you didn’t find it funny doesn’t mean no one found it funny, and it’s not wrong to find this kind of content funny.
Valve doesn’t care
Yeah, they don’t care about the bots, and that’s why the tf2 community is angry at them. The #fixtf2 movement is all about getting the valve to care about the dang bots
Fixing the bot issue is so easy
No one is saying that, everyone knows that cybersecurity is a really tough job. No one is asking for a perfect game where no cheater can go more than 5 seconds before getting banned, what fixtf2 is at least doing something to tune down the bots in tf2.
Didn’t we do this already
Yeah they did, savetf2 didn’t do much to stop the bots. I can kinda see where you come from with “just the tf2 community coping that it will be different”. This time the way it will be handled is different, so it isn't just a repeat of savetf2.
You’re not helping by review bombing, retweeting, or boycotting
You know that if a company gets bad press, people are more likely to not support them. I mean, if you heard that a company dropped support for a beloved game, you would be more likely to not support the company.
To them, valve is just a big evil company
No one said that. TF2 fans are upset about valve’s lack of action for tf2, not that valve is the reincarnation blizzard
I think this protest is gonna make it worse
How? No really, how? You can’t just say that and not explain yourself.
People who are apart of this movement are just sheep
No, people are a part of the movement because they don’t want a beloved game to be basically unplayable.
Name calling
You say that you want people to think for themselves, and that you hate how the community puts others below them”. But then you immediately put the community in a bad light by calling them degenerates and fat furries. You do realize saying those adjectives are gonna cause people to not listen to the other side because “well I don’t want to listen to the other side because they are degenerates”. Plus, you’re being a hypocrite by putting yourself up on a pedestal and putting the rf2 community by name calling them like this.
And now, the biggest piece of irony. “Deep down I still care about this game-”
THEN WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON?! Do you want this game to be playable so new people like you can enjoy it the same way you did., or do you want people to leave the game for dead? Do you want to be able to 1 day go back and play the game again or do you want the game truly dead so you can never go back to it. Do you want the 1000 hour pro player to be able to enjoy the game, or do you want all of his practice to be wasted. If you want the ladder for any of these, then you are lying about the fact that you care about this game.
Whole ass essay
@@madmonty4761it's a pretty good essay ngl
@@BRNG2042 tf2 fans will do the same thing over and over expecting shit to change
@@madmonty4761 this is only the second time, and there are clear changes to the strategy in an attempt to make sure something DOES change. If we were doing the same thing again the "protest" would be over by now, the game's review score would've remained the same, the petition wouldn't exist, and the "protest" in question would've just been a bunch of fans patting valve on the back saying "great job for making such a great game! We hope you'll keep it going!" Instead of "get your head out of your ass and do something with your nearly unlimited resources about the literal criminals in basements sending CP across your game's servers"
@@madmonty4761 There are clear and calculated changes to this movement to make sure the same thing DOESN'T happen again. If this was the same, the petition wouldn't exist, the protest would be over by now, the game's review score would be the same, people wouldn't be freaking out over the in-game economy, and the protest would've been slapping valve on the back instead of trying our best to give a titan a spanking.
0:12 to 0:16, 0:19 to 0:24, 0:37 to 0:46, 8:41 to 9:02 is toofty
9:31 to 10:04 and 11:16 to 11:34 weezy
2:38 honestly sounds like you changed how sound smith sounds I need to double check
So far the rest of the video is like I have no idea who the content is taken from, while not saying the exact times you’re using other content from is fine. You probably could mention “hey the tf2 in the background came from these 5 creators, check them out” instead of making fun of people for their voice like it’s middle school again!
8:06 bullying people messing around and playing a game and having fun woohoo!
9:30 all you have done is make fun of people this entire video, literally that’s 90% of the video what is your point?
11:16 I see your side, and your side has been just “people that are passionate about a silly game and take the game nonsensicallly and like sharing that with others are crazy annoying people” and you’ve been making fun of people who still play the game and would like the experience to be better…
So no I don’t agree with your side! Yes the community can be toxic, yes it can be just all the same annoying stuff but why aren’t you pointing that out? Why aren’t you pointing out how people gatekeep tf2 and try and say it’s better than the rest and give examples? You mention this and then 2s later go to make fun of people for their voice! You had a point there and lost it immediately
i was almost on your side but tbh you're kinda just being rude for no reason. i find it harder to support you as you are just being the people that you hate, just with another opinion.
also telling them to go outside but responding to like 200 comments is crazy
dont think i ever told anyone to go outside. try again
Tf2 fans really got mad with this video
first half of the video can be summarized by the old man yells at cloud gag
Before I give my opinion on this video, I would like to start off with one of my favorite phrases in life which is "comparison is the thief of joy." because I think it could be applied to most situations and comparison is something that all humans do even subconsciously but what does it give you besides a negative thought in your head. Secondly, I did my homework of doing my own personal research and this is what I have to say.
( Starting off strong )
0:43: "Isn't about SaveTF2 or FixTf2" ( [8:36] and I knowing this video is unfiltered as mentioned near the end of the video )
1:00: I've yet to meet someone that have ever only played team fortress 2 and nothing else. Likely exaggeration for shock value. I did think you mean by the shooter genre as you show other games in the same category until you said basically anything else that isn't tf2.
2:08: Its interesting learning a new term called the "TF2 accent" and thinking about it is pretty humorous and won't escape my mind anytime now.
5:24: Hearing about people not being burned out as being bored is a paradox. overstimulated vs understimulated, Additionally, others may just like a sort of content creator's way of making their videos.
6:28: Regarding LS Mark: Being a content creator who wants to focus on a certain media consistently is completely their choice. Shoutouts to Skyrionn, May you RIP, MittenSquad, You do you, Wow Such Gaming.
6:34: "Hope you realize giving... balance changes will go towards deaf ears" but also in 6:32 says "they don't know better things exist" ( Doesn't make sense to me as content creators can still give possible balance changes which could make the current weapons even better than they are now even if it doesn't happen. )
6:55: "and every single thing you could possibly talk about down to the most minute, boring, irrelevant details is ridiculous to me" ( I do believe the posts are meant to be satire )
7:49: "But sitting through a 30 minute video essays" (sorry someone forced you to go through that torture)
8:50 "They already did this and nothing happened because valve doesn't care and its time to move on" says "I signed the petition"
10:04: You're not helping yourselves... seem like a cesspool of angry and entitled man-children. (One quick view of the batch of new content made by you is rant videos) and yes, you did say "Oh wait" which means you're aware.
10:14: I can't say that deadlock will be any good but by the leaked gameplay and the feedback of what the game is like, I don't believe the game is for those who like team fortress 2. I don't like the League of legends mechanics of it.
10:34: "love to see one of the best shooters" (All i need to address for a boring game)
Regarding weezy's comment, i still believe this video is consider bait just by how its made.
Overall, I think the video isn't entirely true and overexaggerated because I wouldn't think cheaters/botters wouldn't be as dedicated as they are to begin with if the game is dead/boring. After some thought, I came to the conclusion that you hate the portion of team fortress 2 players that go out their way to compare other games of the same genre. I see where you're going with it. There are many things to consider such as the whole overwatch vs tf2 and tf2 players wanting people like Ster_, Jerma, Muselk or any other type of person who had a past to something that made them big be mentioned constantly, corresponding it to your "why comparing games is stupid" but because of how the video is made it seem as if it's the whole community that is a problem and they shouldn't be allowed to try make things better by fixing the problem of bots. I also agree that any fanbase can be as bad, obnoxious, toxic, etc, as any other but because I don't view much content via UA-cam and Reddit other than LazyPurple, StaryKrow (which i know is cringe), Uncle Dane, and Funke, I can't point out the bad apples from the bunch, other than somewhat StaryKrow, granting me a positive perspective of the community. Definition of insanity. Fighting fire with fire.
As for the FixTF2 movement, I'm supportive of it and happy to see the community working on establishing a more organized, safe, and clearer attempt in a form of a petition against cheaters/bot-hosters.
How to be unlikeable in one video, good job pal.
thx
@@RiverCiveryea, enjoy an a big bowl of shit
Just don’t subscribed to him because after this video he’s probably gonna be forgotten
You say that with a furvert pfp.
@@nigerianstatue3411 says some one, who has yourself on pfp
guys i think this dude actually never touched tf2 before
seems so, lol
I agree, also kinda wild how he calls everyone bored and yet still nitpicked when wheezy cycled content from #Fixtf2 to is usual stuff
500 hour post 2020 shitter typed this comment
He literally shows screenshots he took of the game, so objectively not true.
2.5k hours
It seems everyone and their mother is throwing their hat in the ring so I’ll join in.
The superiority complex is absolutely correct. Nothing wrong about that. However you lost me almost immediately after that. If you are going to present an argument, or try and criticize people. Insulting them is not the way to go about that. Which I would hope you would know especially based on all the “rage bait” comments. And I think you are very aware of that fact based on how you just fan the flames even more with your replies. Your argument has some valid points but the execution was poor and seemingly on purpose to cause an outrage. A follow up more cool headed approach with more genuine criticism would be a good idea.
honestly i just treat the bot flooded servers like mann vs. machine, i just set up a sentry nest and see how long I can last
This kind of video has never been made before and it shows, people are shocked and are losing their shit over truth. You've hit the spot especially with the tf2 accent and those unfunny/unoriginal/repetitive reddit posts. I also love how all the tf2 bandkids keep defending their game and tell everyone who criticize it to stop doomposting while also saying Deadlock will be dead on arrival lol.
OMG THANK YOU
Tf is deadlock...not even released and it's already dead to me.
The tf2 reddit vocal spheres definitely don't do the game justice.
Homie legit out here using a bot to reply "bwo" "i said that" and "yes" on all comments
ya basically what i have to say
you said homie
@@RiverCiver so what? also were just gonna ignore the fact that you keep noticing and commenting on everyone except the ones who actually took their time to write a constructed response?
@@RiverCiversounds like a you problem ngl
@@RiverCiver”Haha you said homie! Thats such gen alpha slang! Haha!” 🤓👆
this did not age well
not the point
say what you will about the video but "I did the funny" and "its for the funny" and "the funny" is cancer.
we cant be having fun on camera now 😭😭
@@yes_and_so_whatyou can’t have fun 😡
@@yes_and_so_what you can have fun, just dont have aids
Thank you, it’s a shame the replies are strawmanning you when everyone finds certain things annoying
This just feels like another dead channel trying to drama farm, and so far it's working lol
"Leave my multi billion dollar company alone!!!" ahh video.
cockroach
@@RiverCiver Ihhshshs guyxx me with my nerdy ass voice that got buuulied on my school talk mad about tim fortles 2 youtuberdxxxxxx voissessssssssss
@@RiverCivertry not to respond with 1 word challenge (impossible)
@@RiverCiver “Erm, what the sigma? I won’t give him the time of my day to this simple beta. I will refer to him as a ‘cockroach’ to show how inferior he is to me!” 🤓👆
kendrick lamar ahh hating please bro 😭
How rude of me to acknowledge that my favorite game is being exploited and spammed with CP. I should really work on my superiority complex.
pay attention now
@@RiverCiver Okay, if I missed such an important point, could you do me a favor and tell me what it is? Or are TF2 fans just too stupid and I need to give you more views to find out absolutely nothing?
I will agree with you on the Us vs Them being annoying. I played the shit out of TF2 and Overwatch equally, back when TF2 was still playable and Overwatch wasn’t Overwatch 2 mind you. I loved the games for different reasons. One let me be an absolute dumbass and the other let me be a super hero soldier. Those were fun! And it was frankly annoying seeing one community I was apart of constantly bash another community I was apart of. Overwatch 1 was amazing, and I hate the fact that people don’t see that.
Also, yeah the meme pool has definitely started tasting samey. Some of the memes I don’t even get the joke of. What is the punchline to “Engineer gaming”? I don’t know.
However, I stand firm on Fix TF2. If you constantly monetize something, you should be responsible for the upkeep on it. Otherwise stop monetizing it and just shut it down. That’s why I’m in the movement, cause I have nothing to lose if it fails. Either we win and something gets done, or we fail and the game is put out of it’s misery. I’d be weirdly okay with either, but I hate seeing it shamble on like a zombie. If that makes sense.
The punchline of "Engineer Gaming" is that Engineer is gaming (like he is playing games or something similar to that)
of to play some Pokemon Sword and shiny hunt i guess
@@Foolisch What chu huntin’ for?
the whole punchline of [Insert popular character/figure] gaming is that either: A. Its comically unnatural for whatever to be doing such a non-serious act and B. A boast of power and sleek over adversaries in something that isn't even that major in reality
@@yes_and_so_what So… it’s either a weird flex or an off attempt at crossover?
You know i find it rather artful that after almost 5 years of no updates that the tf2 comunity has been able to keep themselves entertaned always finding new ways to play the game always reinventing themselves without having any new content name one community that would last as long as tf2 has, i think this truly shows how tf2 is a masterpiece
Finally someone talks shit about this cancer community