I remember when the Madrid galacticos used to go all attack in the opposition half, including their fullbacks but they were not worried about conceding counter attacks because they had, well, Makelele at the back
Makelele was very good, but with him real madrid won 1 UCL and 2 spanish leagues in three seasons. It is true that galacticos struggled after he left, but they were´t invincible at all with him on the pitch.
The biggest mistake Real Madrid, made during the galactico era was to not give him, the money he wanted and let him go to Chelsea. He was the key to balancing that team between offense and defense, as soon has he left they weren't really a team anymore but an adition of individual. Zidane said this when he left for Chelsea and Real recruited Beckham at the same time "Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?"
Nice to see 2 players formed by my team on this video. Both Anderson and Lucas Leiva were formed by Grêmio FPA. Anderson was used here as a Winger, crazy to see him going to defense position.
Same thing happened when Paul Lambert was spotted by Borussia Dortmund playing for Motherwell as a winger/side midfielder. Hed never played for Scotland and probably wouldn't at that point. Got changed to a holding midfielder role, won the Champions League & Bundesliga. Signed by Celtic & became a Scottish International.
Reminds me of Kolo Toure. Started as a winger, then used as a defensive midfield and right-back 'utility' player, before finally settling at centre back.
Gooner here. I remember when RM got rid of Makelele because he wasn't a 'Galactico'. They paid a price for that! When a position gets named after you (i.e. 'The Makelele Roll' as us older heads will remember it), you know you've nailed it! I would argue that Kante is just as good, if not better! Edit: I still think a commanding BTB midfielder could have a roll in the modern game. I'd certainly love a Vieira back at Arsenal!
I feel this video kinda leaves out parts of his persona that shows the background of his leaving Celta Vigo and Real Madrid. When Real Madrid first came knocking while at Celta Vigo, Makelele refused to train until he was sold. Which meant Celta pretty much was forced to sell him, if only out of principle. And the same thing happened at Real Madrid, in 2002 (after Real Madrid won the Champions League) Makelele signed a new 5 year contract. Then the next year in the summer of 2003 he demanded an improved contract, which Real Madrid refused to negotiate, which kinda makes sense seeing as he only one year before signed a 5 year contract. Now you could argue that he deserved earning more money based on his importance to the team, but it is very bad business to sign long term contracts only to give the players power to force a new contract only one year into that. And when Real Madrid didn't want to negotiate a new contract, Makelele again refused to train forcing Real Madrid to sell him. And I think most will agree that allowing refusing to train to get your will can never be allowed to work at a club. Now Perez' comments as mentioned in the video is indeed silly all things considered, however they did come after him being sold after refusing to train.
@@cheesyfeymuss Yes. The key there is that there weren´t many players that could play in that position instead. Although galacticos also had other troubles back them. Bekham and Figo played the same position (and 31 years old figo was already going downwards). Ronaldo only performed well two seasons. Hierro´s (center back and leader) retirement wasn´t propperly covered. Zidane was sometimes irregular in his performances. Makelele was one of the factors.
@@jamieslev agree he and Redondo was core... Both badly underrated midfielders at Madrid... They complemented each other without two of them Zidane have to work extra hard
Vieira makelele zizou the best midfielders football will never have on the pitch again. The best midfield ers ever playing together. the best midfielder of all history of football.
Makelele is by quiet a distance best 6 ever , makelele viera zidane r for sure my midfield with maradona as 9.5 , messi on the left , phenomeno as a striker with carlos thuram my backs and maldini nesta as my back , unbeatable.
i usually hate these types of videos on youtube because most are half-cooked faux-think pieces with people that lack any actual real football IQ...but this video is quite excellent.
Makelele was the secret of Real Madrid of del bosque before they decided to go the “galactico” way and sold him to Chelsea ….which turned out to be a huge mistake for real. His role was in between defense and midfield …a sort of playmaker from where many offensive propositions would start. The year after Ancelotti would create that same role in AC Milan with Pirlo.
It is true he was one of the best defensive midfielders of his time. But I believe there was in Spain a better player at tha role at the time. Mauro Silva from Deportivo de la Coruña. Although already 34 in 2002, he was able of beating Arsenals midfielders when deportivo came through 0-2 in Highbury, and also Makelele and the galacticos in Spanish kings cup final at bernabeu, with spectacular performances doing exactly that job. In 2003 and 2004 Mauro Silvas performances decayed slighly, but was still one of the best in that position and deportivo made it to the UCL semifinal in 2003-2004 season, loosing against mourinhos oporto by 1-0 aggregate. I think possibly Mauro Silva had also a great impact in the development of that position. Actually. Mazzinho and Mauro Silva where the defensive midfielders for Brasil alongside with dunga in the Brasil 1994 world champions squad.
Hsppy to see your comment, I was watching the video and couldn't help but think about Mauro Silva, he was playing that position well before Makelele. Never got the merit he deserved he was the the glue in that Super Depor era.
Roy Keane did play a more restrained 5 role for a long time, in the treble team he was practically a number 5 with Scholes being an attacking midfielder and Giggs and Beckham on the wings. He did get older and lost a lot of qualities, but it's not as if he was incapable.
It's less that he couldn't do it and more that he didn't want to. Alex Ferguson later said that he thought asking him to play that restricted role was a big reason he wanted to leave
Makelele could have been a world champion in 98 if he has switch to défensive midfilde earlier, hé was a good player before but at celta Vigo hé bacame a top class player.
Vieira didn't sit well as an anchor man because they couldnt find the right balance with him and Cesc. Cesc was more lightweight and forward thinking. Real Madrid didn't just struggle because Makelele left. They struggled because they couldnt defend. Fenando Hierro was there best defender and had gotten old. They were left with defenders like Meija, Raul Bravo, Helguera. Helguera wasn't as bad, but still not on Hierro level. They signed Woodgate to plug the gaps. I think he scored an OG on his debut. However in the Spanish press he was there best defender when he was fit. He was never fit though lol
Agree Makele was a transformative midfielder but this video is bias to suggest that that transformation occurred at Chelsea. Although a double pivot / hold was the starting line up during the Galacticos it was Makele alone doing the dirty work and allowing the full creativity of that midfield and forward line to do what they did best - it was unbelievable and to suggest he did this better at Chelsea is just pure nonsense if you watched both his time at RM and at Chelsea
Jason - although he did the bulk of it, he had to learn how to play as a love defensive midfielder at Chelsea - and that's according to him! It was a slightly different role.
Pirlo, Pep and Effenberg all played very different roles. The only ‘real’ thing they shared with Makéléle was their superficial positioning. The nature of their ‘job’, what it allowed their teams to do and the specifics - ground they covered, passing range, defensive attributes - were pretty (if not totally) unique. Hence the conversion of Anderson, Lucas, Denilson etc
@@jamieslev their job was not so different, they were actually more attacking than perceived, similarly to your argument w Lucas & Anderson. Pirlo being the best example as he was a #10 for long time. Mourinho picked up on that role at Barcelona (Guardiola & Amor) then brung the same concept to Oporto (Maniche) & Chelsea later. You absolutely spotted how Makelelé picked that up at Celta, also from coach Victor Fernandez, who was a keen student of Barcelona midfield techniques & was closely related to Real's youth system. Makelele was an evolution of a trend :)
This is the same job Thomas Party does at Arsenal. If you watch his highlights you will notice how he simply just passes to the nearest player 90% of passes are short. He learned it at Athletico Madrid.
That was part of it. But he wanted to make room for Fabregas. "Fabregas was waiting for me to play him and if Patrick had not gone he would have waited another year or two."
Great question! They share some pretty similar characteristics, but the big difference is that Kanté covers a LOT more ground than Makéléle did. He presses a lot, high up the pitch, and drives with the ball. Makéléle did almost none of that, and was more about positional disipline
3:45 - Perez clearly has a great understanding of team dynamics, lol. Celta Vigo and Deportivo La Coruna were powerhouses in the early 90's. I wonder how much of this was down to the influence of cocaine and narco-trafficking on the Galician economy.
One thing i know about Vieira n Makelele is that Zidan loved having them as teammates 😂 both at club n country When makele left Madrid i recall Zidan mention that a Mercedes engine has left and that was the same period Barca won laliga back to back
@@jamieslev yeah for all the attacking talents they had , if only they had gotten their Heads out of their @$$3$ and just given him a better contract .
Hey mate! The video doesn’t say that there was no such thing as properly holding midfielder before 2004. It’s saying that the relative dominance of those players went down as a result. How many box to box midfield players are there in the premier league now?
Wow. For someone who sounded like you knew a lot about Makelele you seem to have glossed over his exploits at Madrid. The Makelele role started there. He was easily the most important player at Madrid. So much so that his selling nearly caused a riot in the Madrid dressing room. His problem was Florentino just didn’t understand his football and being black didn’t help him either. So the Makelele role was not invented at Chelsea but at Madrid. I was living in Spain when Makelele was playing there and the Makelele role was talked about then and he was identified by everybody as being the key piece in the Madrid team of galaticos 7:48 . Man I wish people like you would do their research before spoiling such a good piece with a lack of research. Why rush stuff and not do a good job of it. You started well with the French stuff but skipped a massive part of his history, in Madrid, which is when the makelele role was born and makelele made his name. He came to Chelsea at the back end of his career. Though he was still good but his best years were at Madrid, the part that you seem to have skipped for some unknown reason.
@jj - Common misconception. In 76 of his 95 league starts for Real, he played alongside another disciplined defensive midfielder. And almost all of the games he started by himself were at home to vastly weaker opposition. The video isn't about where he was best, it's about the structural change he helped cause. According to Michael Cox, "it was only now in 2003 when he left to Chelsea that Real Madrid's obsession with superstars, spiralled out of control".
@@jamieslev like I said, I was living in Spain at the time when he was playing there and the Spanish media both written, spoken and televised are just mad on football and there was never a day that passed that Makelele wasn’t mentioned partly because he played for Madrid and partly because of how important he was to the team. The piece cannot be about anything else but his importance because if he wasn’t important then the role he played isn’t important then there is no point of the piece. The role he played was just as important as the role itself beauxwe prior to that no one had ever played that role before. They had had all sorts of so called defensive midfielders etc but none like Makelele and all the players that played with him appreciated him. Also your piece is wrong to suggest that Madrid’s obsession with stars started in 2003. Madrid has always been obsessed with stars. That’s why De Estafano ended up there when he should have been going to another team. As soon as Florentino landed he started the collection of stars and part of the reason he got rid of Makelele is because according to him he did not fit that profile because he didn’t sell shirts like a superstar should. In fact I seem to remember him saying that exact thing, either in a secret recording that was published or in an interview, i can’t remember which, but I remember the outrage. However, his obsession with stars had already started well before Makelele left. As I said some say that’s part of the reason he got rid of him. Again, I don’t know where you guys do your research or get your info from but it is not altogether accurate or complete.
@@Jj-ty7qh with you that he was considered hugely important. But the tactical nuances of the role emerged later, when he played as a lone holding midfielder in a side that sat deep regardless. Real Madrid almost exclusively played 2 holding midfielders, and played a high line
@@jamieslev I think you are making too much of this two holding midfielders and thinkining or at least implying that that in itself means the makelele role wasn’t developed or invented then. The only difference is that in Madrid he did sometimes play Ina two but not always. So the point being the actual makelele role was already developed/invented by the time he came to Chelsea. It is incorrect to say it was developed a5 chelate. The proof being that the term was invented in Spain not in England. This is because they were already talking about it there. So 5he uniqueness of the role he played was already identified b6 the time he came to chefsea. I can’t remember if the programme el chiringuito had started then but there was something similar to it where he was constantly discussed and this element of his game was identified. That was in fact the argument being made against Florentino flogging him. It wasn’t because he was a good player, though he was, it was precisely because those in the know recognised how unique he was as a player.
What's the problem with you Europeans? You guys think created the modern football? Every single piece of defensive skills, tactical skill, attacking skill was created in south America and then brought to Europe. Either you guys don't keep record of whole world football either you don't want to show facts. Mauro Silva in 94 and Dunga in 98 both used to play very deep inside the back defensive duo, depending on the adversary. Cesar Sampaio, in 2000 was a beast playing amongst the center backs, almost like a libero. There are many other defensive midfield players that used to play as the third man in the defense when the team was attacking. It was a way to save some energy or to apadt the two players attackers. You guys were born in 2000s and proudly think before there was no football in the world.
Did you watch the video? The ‘hero’ is a Brazilian who taught Makéléle the role! Re the development of football, no continent has produced every development. ‘Inverting the Pyramid’ is more or less the bible when it comes to football dev, might be worth reading. Same deal with ‘Zonal Marking’
That's what Les Ferdinand argued. But I think it misses that those players actually weren't limited at all - hence the players that got converted into the role were number 10s originally. Lucas, Anderson, Denilson. They needed to be technically excellent.
Disagree. Keane's big strength wasn't his purely his defensive work, it was his all round game. I don't think there was a 'Makéléle' in him at that stage of his career. He'd have obviously had other qualities. And he didn't have a huge amount of interest in playing deeper according to SAF.
@@jamieslev he played cb for ireland one time was no bother to him. He said before he could do the anchormam role with his eyes closed. He was a good tackler and good in air. Were talking capable not actually did the role. The guy bulliied people with his tackling. What bit could he not do. He could dictate tempo take ball off back win ball back. Juventus 99. His Postional play was always excelent. Out played superior tenchical opponents lile zidane with better postional play, he was too good to jjst bean ancjor cuz je had an amzing engine. was everywhere in pitch. And hw did do the anchor role too he just went forward too he always tracked back.
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I remember when the Madrid galacticos used to go all attack in the opposition half, including their fullbacks but they were not worried about conceding counter attacks because they had, well, Makelele at the back
I think they finished 4th the year after he left 🤯
They never won anything for 3 seasons after he left LMAO
makalele was our blue collar worker
Makelele was very good, but with him real madrid won 1 UCL and 2 spanish leagues in three seasons. It is true that galacticos struggled after he left, but they were´t invincible at all with him on the pitch.
@@5287KT of course they are not invincible. do you expect they won every game just because he played all games? LOL
The biggest mistake Real Madrid, made during the galactico era was to not give him, the money he wanted and let him go to Chelsea. He was the key to balancing that team between offense and defense, as soon has he left they weren't really a team anymore but an adition of individual.
Zidane said this when he left for Chelsea and Real recruited Beckham at the same time "Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?"
Great quote
One of my favourite players 🫡
He signed for Chelsea at 30?? That’s wild. Great video 🙌🏼
Chelsea were worth £6 then and could hardly pass on world class players, they took whatever they could get.
Big respect to Ranieri for signing Makalele and Kante.
Great point
£16m for a 29yo CDM, some thought chelsea were out of sanity, but he proved doubters wrong
Similar case to Man Utd signed Casemiro
Nice to see 2 players formed by my team on this video. Both Anderson and Lucas Leiva were formed by Grêmio FPA. Anderson was used here as a Winger, crazy to see him going to defense position.
Up the Tricolor dos Pampas
Also, Marcos Senna. Totally Underrated.
Great shout
Makalele
The most important defending midfielder in modern football to this day and probably for the next century
What about Edgar Davids?
I think Casemiro and Busquets have something to say about that. Makele was good but not at the level of these two.
@@glenoaksdigitalinclusion6871 Davids was way better
this channel is gold
ahh you're too kind! thanks mate
I didn’t realise he started as a winger!!
with Nantes
Same thing happened when Paul Lambert was spotted by Borussia Dortmund playing for Motherwell as a winger/side midfielder.
Hed never played for Scotland and probably wouldn't at that point.
Got changed to a holding midfielder role, won the Champions League & Bundesliga.
Signed by Celtic & became a Scottish International.
I didn’t know that! Video incoming? 👀
@@jamieslev Good stuff I'd watch that!
Great piece 👏 👌 ❤
Should have mentioned that Zidane quote about him when he was sold to Chelsea and they bought Beckham
So true! It was Zidane at his most perceptive
What was the quote?
@@maxsp5100 "Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?"
Reminds me of Kolo Toure. Started as a winger, then used as a defensive midfield and right-back 'utility' player, before finally settling at centre back.
Yeah, interesting that it can take years and years to find your 'best role'
Gooner here. I remember when RM got rid of Makelele because he wasn't a 'Galactico'. They paid a price for that! When a position gets named after you (i.e. 'The Makelele Roll' as us older heads will remember it), you know you've nailed it! I would argue that Kante is just as good, if not better!
Edit: I still think a commanding BTB midfielder could have a roll in the modern game. I'd certainly love a Vieira back at Arsenal!
Agreed! Bellingham next year might prove that?
Excellent breakdown...Good video.
Thanks Jay, appreciate it!
I feel this video kinda leaves out parts of his persona that shows the background of his leaving Celta Vigo and Real Madrid. When Real Madrid first came knocking while at Celta Vigo, Makelele refused to train until he was sold. Which meant Celta pretty much was forced to sell him, if only out of principle. And the same thing happened at Real Madrid, in 2002 (after Real Madrid won the Champions League) Makelele signed a new 5 year contract. Then the next year in the summer of 2003 he demanded an improved contract, which Real Madrid refused to negotiate, which kinda makes sense seeing as he only one year before signed a 5 year contract. Now you could argue that he deserved earning more money based on his importance to the team, but it is very bad business to sign long term contracts only to give the players power to force a new contract only one year into that. And when Real Madrid didn't want to negotiate a new contract, Makelele again refused to train forcing Real Madrid to sell him. And I think most will agree that allowing refusing to train to get your will can never be allowed to work at a club. Now Perez' comments as mentioned in the video is indeed silly all things considered, however they did come after him being sold after refusing to train.
You're right. It didn't feel central to the story at the time, but it'd have added some depth. Thanks for sharing!
Still,if i was perez, I would have given makelele his 100k a week
@@cheesyfeymuss Yes. The key there is that there weren´t many players that could play in that position instead. Although galacticos also had other troubles back them. Bekham and Figo played the same position (and 31 years old figo was already going downwards). Ronaldo only performed well two seasons. Hierro´s (center back and leader) retirement wasn´t propperly covered. Zidane was sometimes irregular in his performances. Makelele was one of the factors.
Great insights
Thanks Gav! Really appreciate it
Love your content bro 👏🏻
Ayy thanks Louie! Really appreciate it 👏🏻
With Him and Redondo Madrid midfield was the best to watch.... What a pair...
Fernando Redondo is badly underrated
@@jamieslev agree he and Redondo was core... Both badly underrated midfielders at Madrid... They complemented each other without two of them Zidane have to work extra hard
Vieira makelele zizou the best midfielders football will never have on the pitch again. The best midfield ers ever playing together. the best midfielder of all history of football.
Not a bad midfield 3!
Stop talking shit makele could not lace keanes boots
Let’s not forget Claude Makelele successor Michael Essien was who an equal beast. Chelsea has the luck in recruiting DMF beasts
John Obi Mikel succeeded Makalele not Micheal Essien.
@@chukwuemekaosuagwu8184 obi mikel was after Michael…
Very interesting insights here maye - had no idea how makelele had influence from Mazinho etc - great video
Cheers Travis, that was the most interesting piece out of the research.
Top class video hope your subscribers increases
Agnish - thank you mate! Appreciate the support.
Claude makelele one of my favorite players all time!!!
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Keep up the good content
Thanks mate!
Makelele is by quiet a distance best 6 ever , makelele viera zidane r for sure my midfield with maradona as 9.5 , messi on the left , phenomeno as a striker with carlos thuram my backs and maldini nesta as my back , unbeatable.
Top side
Lovely video thank you
Aw thanks mate!
@@jamieslev Keep doing what your doing mate
Only player to have a role named after him never got the chance to see him until kante came into the picture
It'd have been cool to have seem them together
i usually hate these types of videos on youtube because most are half-cooked faux-think pieces with people that lack any actual real football IQ...but this video is quite excellent.
FromTheHip - thanks mate! I really appreciate that. It’s what we’re aiming for!
@@jamieslev keep going my man!
Great work mate, you got a new sub here 👍🏻
Rodney - thank you mate! Really appreciate it.
All credit to Makelele for being the master of his ROLE
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Makelele was the secret of Real Madrid of del bosque before they decided to go the “galactico” way and sold him to Chelsea ….which turned out to be a huge mistake for real. His role was in between defense and midfield …a sort of playmaker from where many offensive propositions would start. The year after Ancelotti would create that same role in AC Milan with Pirlo.
I like the description of playmaker. One to the things that made him so unique.
LEGEND!!!🫡🫡🫡
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For me Makelele is the best 6 in the world period
What a legacy
Hala Madrid. Makele. Legend!!!
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N'golo Kante was also played as a RB in his early French career
Interesting comparison
Kante reminds me a lot of Makelele
2:06 That pass looks familiar? Like father like son 💯
I've only just realised 🤯
Makelele was one of the keys to Chelsea winning epl
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P.s. Not calling up Ward-Prowse is actually criminal
Especially when we don't have real depth in central midfield
Best cdm in fut hands down
How’s Vieira?
how is pep,Frank rykaard, Carlo effenberg
It is true he was one of the best defensive midfielders of his time. But I believe there was in Spain a better player at tha role at the time. Mauro Silva from Deportivo de la Coruña.
Although already 34 in 2002, he was able of beating Arsenals midfielders when deportivo came through 0-2 in Highbury, and also Makelele and the galacticos in Spanish kings cup final at bernabeu, with spectacular performances doing exactly that job. In 2003 and 2004 Mauro Silvas performances decayed slighly, but was still one of the best in that position and deportivo made it to the UCL semifinal in 2003-2004 season, loosing against mourinhos oporto by 1-0 aggregate. I think possibly Mauro Silva had also a great impact in the development of that position.
Actually. Mazzinho and Mauro Silva where the defensive midfielders for Brasil alongside with dunga in the Brasil 1994 world champions squad.
Love this. Thanks for commenting.
Hsppy to see your comment, I was watching the video and couldn't help but think about Mauro Silva, he was playing that position well before Makelele. Never got the merit he deserved he was the the glue in that Super Depor era.
Mazzinho is Thiago' s father
Hahahah I totally missed that! Pretty cool.
Makelele the midfield general (King Kong)
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Roy Keane and Kante both started out as wingers as well.
Great shout!
Claude Makhelele the unsung hero of bernabeu
Right!
I read that they had to make special football shorts for him. The normal shorts wouldn’t fit!
Ffs
Roy Keane did play a more restrained 5 role for a long time, in the treble team he was practically a number 5 with Scholes being an attacking midfielder and Giggs and Beckham on the wings. He did get older and lost a lot of qualities, but it's not as if he was incapable.
It's less that he couldn't do it and more that he didn't want to. Alex Ferguson later said that he thought asking him to play that restricted role was a big reason he wanted to leave
@@jamieslev Yeah, I can see that restraining himself was more necessary with age, and he'd be unwilling.
Good video, good info, saachi is pronounced Saa key 👍
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Lol nothing major. Good content.
Those celta results were actually in the uefa cup
Good spot
Makelele could have been a world champion in 98 if he has switch to défensive midfilde earlier, hé was a good player before but at celta Vigo hé bacame a top class player.
He just missed that squad didn't he?
He played in the next 2 world cups for France..almost won it in 2006
Mazinho is the father of Thiago Alcântara (Rafinha also)
So I've since learnt!
Vieira didn't sit well as an anchor man because they couldnt find the right balance with him and Cesc. Cesc was more lightweight and forward thinking.
Real Madrid didn't just struggle because Makelele left. They struggled because they couldnt defend. Fenando Hierro was there best defender and had gotten old. They were left with defenders like Meija, Raul Bravo, Helguera. Helguera wasn't as bad, but still not on Hierro level. They signed Woodgate to plug the gaps. I think he scored an OG on his debut. However in the Spanish press he was there best defender when he was fit. He was never fit though lol
He's still a cult figure there. Own goal and sending off on his debut
Agree Makele was a transformative midfielder but this video is bias to suggest that that transformation occurred at Chelsea. Although a double pivot / hold was the starting line up during the Galacticos it was Makele alone doing the dirty work and allowing the full creativity of that midfield and forward line to do what they did best - it was unbelievable and to suggest he did this better at Chelsea is just pure nonsense if you watched both his time at RM and at Chelsea
Jason - although he did the bulk of it, he had to learn how to play as a love defensive midfielder at Chelsea - and that's according to him! It was a slightly different role.
Mazinho runs exactly like thiago
Father like son
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In Poland, there's Dabrowski in Pogon Szczecin - quite similar visible mentality of DM. Wonder who's the most "Makelele" in other leagues?
GREAT question
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I can’t believe you pronounced Sacchi like that 5:10
Haha you're not the first to point it out! 🥲
Iron makelele
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Guardiola, Pirlo & even Effenberg had similar placing & role, this had happened earlier in other leagues...
Pirlo, Pep and Effenberg all played very different roles. The only ‘real’ thing they shared with Makéléle was their superficial positioning. The nature of their ‘job’, what it allowed their teams to do and the specifics - ground they covered, passing range, defensive attributes - were pretty (if not totally) unique. Hence the conversion of Anderson, Lucas, Denilson etc
@@jamieslev their job was not so different, they were actually more attacking than perceived, similarly to your argument w Lucas & Anderson. Pirlo being the best example as he was a #10 for long time. Mourinho picked up on that role at Barcelona (Guardiola & Amor) then brung the same concept to Oporto (Maniche) & Chelsea later. You absolutely spotted how Makelelé picked that up at Celta, also from coach Victor Fernandez, who was a keen student of Barcelona midfield techniques & was closely related to Real's youth system. Makelele was an evolution of a trend :)
Dunga had this role
Defensively yes, but on the ball Dunga could break lines with 40m pinpoint passes.
Juste to let you know… Makelele is older than Vieira (4 years)
Wild how his ‘legs’ seemed to last longer than Vieras
This is the same job Thomas Party does at Arsenal. If you watch his highlights you will notice how he simply just passes to the nearest player 90% of passes are short. He learned it at Athletico Madrid.
Wenger sold Viera because they were building stadium, and needed money. Viera and Keane are class above Makelele
That was part of it. But he wanted to make room for Fabregas. "Fabregas was waiting for me to play him and if Patrick had not gone he would have waited another year or two."
how about kante? is it close to makelele role?
Great question! They share some pretty similar characteristics, but the big difference is that Kanté covers a LOT more ground than Makéléle did. He presses a lot, high up the pitch, and drives with the ball. Makéléle did almost none of that, and was more about positional disipline
3:45 - Perez clearly has a great understanding of team dynamics, lol. Celta Vigo and Deportivo La Coruna were powerhouses in the early 90's. I wonder how much of this was down to the influence of cocaine and narco-trafficking on the Galician economy.
Sounds like another video!
One thing i know about Vieira n Makelele is that Zidan loved having them as teammates 😂 both at club n country
When makele left Madrid i recall Zidan mention that a Mercedes engine has left and that was the same period Barca won laliga back to back
They did all his running for him ;)
Claude Mak Madrid
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So that’s where Thiago alcantara gets his style of play from! Just watch his dad mazinho, look at how he moves . Amazing
It's wild
Lmao Real Madrid let him go , it was Chelsea's gain.
Finishing 4th in La Liga the year after..
@@jamieslev yeah for all the attacking talents they had , if only they had gotten their Heads out of their @$$3$ and just given him a better contract .
But the way keep up the good work and please make more videos on this underrated heroes which kids these days are not aware of.
You had to be box to box back then because most people played 4 4 2
Shows how much midfields have developed over time
Lies. You’re literally lying, They didn’t replace box to box position. Dennis wise played there before Claude. Deschamps played there before Claude.
Hey mate! The video doesn’t say that there was no such thing as properly holding midfielder before 2004. It’s saying that the relative dominance of those players went down as a result. How many box to box midfield players are there in the premier league now?
@@jamieslev how many were they in 2004? If you said messi and Ronaldo’s dominance ended traditional wingers- I’d agree
Wow. For someone who sounded like you knew a lot about Makelele you seem to have glossed over his exploits at Madrid. The Makelele role started there. He was easily the most important player at Madrid. So much so that his selling nearly caused a riot in the Madrid dressing room. His problem was Florentino just didn’t understand his football and being black didn’t help him either. So the Makelele role was not invented at Chelsea but at Madrid. I was living in Spain when Makelele was playing there and the Makelele role was talked about then and he was identified by everybody as being the key piece in the Madrid team of galaticos 7:48 . Man I wish people like you would do their research before spoiling such a good piece with a lack of research. Why rush stuff and not do a good job of it. You started well with the French stuff but skipped a massive part of his history, in Madrid, which is when the makelele role was born and makelele made his name. He came to Chelsea at the back end of his career. Though he was still good but his best years were at Madrid, the part that you seem to have skipped for some unknown reason.
@jj - Common misconception. In 76 of his 95 league starts for Real, he played alongside another disciplined defensive midfielder. And almost all of the games he started by himself were at home to vastly weaker opposition. The video isn't about where he was best, it's about the structural change he helped cause. According to Michael Cox, "it was only now in 2003 when he left to Chelsea that Real Madrid's obsession with superstars, spiralled out of control".
@@jamieslev like I said, I was living in Spain at the time when he was playing there and the Spanish media both written, spoken and televised are just mad on football and there was never a day that passed that Makelele wasn’t mentioned partly because he played for Madrid and partly because of how important he was to the team. The piece cannot be about anything else but his importance because if he wasn’t important then the role he played isn’t important then there is no point of the piece. The role he played was just as important as the role itself beauxwe prior to that no one had ever played that role before. They had had all sorts of so called defensive midfielders etc but none like Makelele and all the players that played with him appreciated him. Also your piece is wrong to suggest that Madrid’s obsession with stars started in 2003. Madrid has always been obsessed with stars. That’s why De Estafano ended up there when he should have been going to another team. As soon as Florentino landed he started the collection of stars and part of the reason he got rid of Makelele is because according to him he did not fit that profile because he didn’t sell shirts like a superstar should. In fact I seem to remember him saying that exact thing, either in a secret recording that was published or in an interview, i can’t remember which, but I remember the outrage. However, his obsession with stars had already started well before Makelele left. As I said some say that’s part of the reason he got rid of him. Again, I don’t know where you guys do your research or get your info from but it is not altogether accurate or complete.
@@Jj-ty7qh with you that he was considered hugely important. But the tactical nuances of the role emerged later, when he played as a lone holding midfielder in a side that sat deep regardless. Real Madrid almost exclusively played 2 holding midfielders, and played a high line
@@jamieslev I think you are making too much of this two holding midfielders and thinkining or at least implying that that in itself means the makelele role wasn’t developed or invented then. The only difference is that in Madrid he did sometimes play Ina two but not always. So the point being the actual makelele role was already developed/invented by the time he came to Chelsea. It is incorrect to say it was developed a5 chelate. The proof being that the term was invented in Spain not in England. This is because they were already talking about it there. So 5he uniqueness of the role he played was already identified b6 the time he came to chefsea. I can’t remember if the programme el chiringuito had started then but there was something similar to it where he was constantly discussed and this element of his game was identified. That was in fact the argument being made against Florentino flogging him. It wasn’t because he was a good player, though he was, it was precisely because those in the know recognised how unique he was as a player.
@@Jj-ty7qh I think we're agreeing but meaning slightly different things by 'the Makéléle role'. Appreciate your comments!
What's the problem with you Europeans? You guys think created the modern football?
Every single piece of defensive skills, tactical skill, attacking skill was created in south America and then brought to Europe. Either you guys don't keep record of whole world football either you don't want to show facts.
Mauro Silva in 94 and Dunga in 98 both used to play very deep inside the back defensive duo, depending on the adversary.
Cesar Sampaio, in 2000 was a beast playing amongst the center backs, almost like a libero. There are many other defensive midfield players that used to play as the third man in the defense when the team was attacking. It was a way to save some energy or to apadt the two players attackers.
You guys were born in 2000s and proudly think before there was no football in the world.
Did you watch the video? The ‘hero’ is a Brazilian who taught Makéléle the role! Re the development of football, no continent has produced every development. ‘Inverting the Pyramid’ is more or less the bible when it comes to football dev, might be worth reading. Same deal with ‘Zonal Marking’
The role was more to do with the limitations of modern day players.viera and keane were not replaceable.
That's what Les Ferdinand argued. But I think it misses that those players actually weren't limited at all - hence the players that got converted into the role were number 10s originally. Lucas, Anderson, Denilson. They needed to be technically excellent.
Keane could do that role with his eyes closed. Not capable? Bad choice of words.
Disagree. Keane's big strength wasn't his purely his defensive work, it was his all round game. I don't think there was a 'Makéléle' in him at that stage of his career. He'd have obviously had other qualities. And he didn't have a huge amount of interest in playing deeper according to SAF.
@@jamieslev he played cb for ireland one time was no bother to him. He said before he could do the anchormam role with his eyes closed. He was a good tackler and good in air. Were talking capable not actually did the role. The guy bulliied people with his tackling. What bit could he not do. He could dictate tempo take ball off back win ball back. Juventus 99. His Postional play was always excelent. Out played superior tenchical opponents lile zidane with better postional play, he was too good to jjst bean ancjor cuz je had an amzing engine. was everywhere in pitch. And hw did do the anchor role too he just went forward too he always tracked back.