Fluminense have the WEIRDEST tactics in the world! | The philosophy of Fernando Diniz
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
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Brazilian club Fluminense are one of the most unique teams in the world right now. And the tactics from their coach, Fernando Diniz, might just be the most radical I’ve ever seen.
So today we’re diving into the fascinating philosophy of Diniz, and why he’s rejecting everything you see at the top of the European game.
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Sections:
0:00 Who is Fernando Diniz?
1:24 European positional play
2:59 Why Dinizismo is different
4:00 Rejection of space
5:08 Principles of ‘relationism’
7:52 Problems and solutions
8:27 The talisman Ganso
10:31 Football IS culture
12:17 Thanks for your support :) - Спорт
Fluminense and Diniz won yesterday the libertadores of America, the champions league of south America
Hell fucking yeah
And now Brasil is in 5th place in World Cup Qualifying....behind Venezuela and Colombia.
@@byhilliardand...?
@@owlbdp Diniz and the current Brazil's coach
@@JoaoVitor-vp7shLittle time to train; many changes due to injuries; generation transition and many new athletes in the team. It is impossible to compare a work of 2 years with 3 or 4 weeks with many different players for each training session and games. And, if Argentina wins or loses, none of that will change.
In the moment that flumi won the libertadores this video came to my mind instantly
I had the exact same experience
and is also the coach of brazil team 1:06
And at the end of City vs Fluminense, what came at your mind?
@@TheMasatosan I think there ist not much we can take out of the game. City has paid for Jack Grealish the value of the entire Fluminense team.
Just watched Fluminense win the Copa Libertadores today against Boca Jnr! What a game! Great tactics.
Also, as a Liverpool supporter hoping we pick up Andre in January, he's such a unique player he could be a total revelation for us.
Real Madrid 👀
Trust me: Diniz tactics are good only in another teams.
@@pietroromano1001 Lol I think you might be right. But I guess so long as it ain't my team I'm all for it!
As a Fluminense fan, I can definitely say that any team that picks up André will be acquiring a spetacular central defense midfielder. There are a lot of teams in Premier League interested on his football, so it is very likely he is going there in January. We will miss him a lot!
Your pronunciation on brazilian portuguese words, especially the letter D on Diniz, made me appreciate your work even more. Small detail that shows your dedication and respect for your brazilian public. Thanks for the great video!
Tb reparei isso
Papo reto não e igual os gringo que parece que faz força pra falar as parada errado
ele é br
Síndrome de vira lata detectada. Que patético isso 😒
Ele é brasileiro burrão kkkkk
As a Brazilian fan it's great seeing this. Diniz faced tons of criticism in the past. His system, referred as "Dinizismo", was becoming a type of joke in Brazilian footbal. We can safely say that things only started working out for him this year. Now he's even being considered for coaching the seleção.
Mano tu é brasileiro ?
@@lindomarjunior6906 olha o nome do cara, certeza é br.
He never had a player like Ganso on his other works, as a São Paulo fan I can say that was the best my club played for years, although we had a severe problem on defense our attacks were creative and prolific, also I loved the way he utilized Igor Gomes and Gabriel Sara on the wings of a 4-4-2, they were absolutely everywhere on the field and this opened up so many opportunities for Luciano and Brenner. It's a shame that he lost the squad because he really had something good going, but now I think Fluminense really fits his needs and we'll see them fight for almost every title this year.
The selecção*
Seleção tá certa também ele falou da palavra do português do Brasil.
This is what I subscribed for. Being made aware of different tactics all over the world rather then just the PL which is the only league I watch.
You should definitely watch the Brazilian Serie A, then. It's organized chaos. You'll love it. Vai Corinthians!
I think you lose too much on real football by watching only the PL, it's mostly a market product than an actual competition.
But not to judge you, of course you watch what you want
@@OddYxD yeah but don't tell him to watch any Corinthians game. It's a huge institution but it's arguably terrible nowadays
@@danielmonteiro9034 Oh definitely he should, self-torture sometimes is good to remind you of what's important
@@OddYxDVai Corinthians porra
Now that Fluminense are the Libertadores champions, I want another video on Dinizismo. Vamos Fluzão!!!
I coach an American youth squad... U9 level nothing major... This video gave me ideas on how to setup the team for them. At times, some players have trouble with keeping their shape. Instead of shape if they had more freedom by emphasizing give and goes that might help more of the team stay mentally engaged. Thank you for your work with this video!
good luck bro
I hope you do a great work to spread this beautiful sport among your community and young students/players. Bless from Brazil
The more important in this game is the fuction and not the position.
I played in my teenage years, and it doesn't matter what you practiced through the week, when the team was in a tough spot during a game, we all (coaches and players) knew that ir was the moment to geive the talnted players some freedom. At least the team gets a different mood.
@alvarohigino Good Q - The team is in a metro area. There's a mix of Latin American, African, Asian and American. I don't think it's an issue of obedience, they all want to be good teammates. Some players get overly focused on where the ball is and forget to hold their shape. It's nothing intentional, they're still learning how to play.The video gave me the idea that instead of reminding them to keep their position, I could try to encourage the team to play in a way that suits their style. So emphasize things like give and go's... And playing on the side of the pitch vs the middle. My goal is to help the players be the best version of themselves, to find their style, so they can find their passion.
Finally dinizball is getting the recognition it deserves
Dinizism will take over
He will if he starts piling up trophies.
Diniz balls
So happy for Ganso, I always felt that he's too underrated.
Me too, Seedorf did him dirty
O ganso é pica meu parceiro
Time for ganso and Neymar in the next wc, ginga style
@@jun1art não é pra tanto kkkkk
@@leandrometfanseedorf tava certo
Very accurate video.
Fluminense is now at the Libertadores Final (The South American UCL) as the favourites, playing a beatiful game to watch, and Diniz is the manager of the Brazilian National Team. The most incredible thing for me is the fact that Fluminense is not even close to be club that spends more money in Brazil, or in South America, if i am not wrong, they are the 12th in the ranking of the clubs that spend more money with salaries and wages.
Diniz almost didnt have any new signings since his arrival, ´´only´´ Marcelo, because he wanted to come back to the club that he began his carrer. The team has a lot of players from their academy, and is mixed with some veterans, such as Felipe Melo, Marcelo, Fabio. And the system has also helped German Cano, their striker, to be the player with most goals over the last 2 years, with more goals scored than Haaland, Mbappe, and other superstars at this period of time.
It is incredible what is happening, they play in a system and structure extremely bold and brave, and is very entertaining to watch. Diniz has always been labeled as a crazy manager with a system that would never work due the the fact that european system was been aplied in Brazil, and it was a superior system. But he kept his beliefs even struglling sometimes and made everybody realize here in Brazil that we were selling our DNA to try to win, trying to imitate the europeans, and we realize that, by trying to imitate them, we will never beat them at their own system, and we have the play our game, in our way if we want to be best once again.
If you are a footbal fan from Europe, I recommend you to watch some Fluminense´s matches in Copa Libertadores or the Derbys with Flamengo (By far the richest club in Brazil), that Fluminense are constantly beating in the last years, even with a massive budget difference between the clubs. It is very entertaining and interesting team to watch. Mainly because they never give up their way to play, doesnt matter the opponent. And there is a good chance to Fluminense to play against Man City at the World Club Championship, and even in City scores a 5-0 they will keep playing the same way.
Sorry for the poor english, but if you are a football fan, trust me, we watch the South American and European football, and Diniz at the Fluminense is the most interesting thing happening at world´s football right now.
PS: I support Vasco, a strong Fluminense´s rival.
And I also recommend to watch Diniz talking about his own system and why he does that. He always quotes that his system is made to make the players to have the same fun that they used to had when they were little boys, he tries to make them love the game in the same way that they used do love when they were young. He constantly says that is possible to win and have fun, and making the players exercises limited functions without improvisations take aways the motivation that made then loves the game, thats why he encourages the players to improvise, take risks, to try to make bold and risky plays, because thats what made ballers to feel joy while the are playing.
So his games his based in having fun, improvisations and solidarity between players.
Belo texto mano, o inglês tá perfeito.
"Strong"
" trying to imitate the europeans, and we realize that, by trying to imitate them, we will never beat them at their own system, and we have the play our game, in our way if we want to be best once again." -> That`s it my friend!
If you imagine Messi, Neymar and Suarez (now playing for Gremio, a great club from south of Brazil) we always had a different 'spice' europeans never had. Messi from Argentina, Neymar from Brazil and Suarez from Uruguay, the best trio in the lasr 15-20 years of football. This is south american football! I love Mmbappe, he seemed to be one of the best of the decade after his 1st World Cup, but never proved itself after internal troubles playing for PSG. Europe have CR7 (we call him a little robot) because he is well known for his discipline, but that magic of playing football in such diverse, self resoluting plays, dribling skills is something we from south america have. Europeans are wel known for tatics, but one-on-one no one beat us.
Much love ❤ from a Flamengo fan here... I'm glad Vasco was able to stay in Série A my friend... and yes, it is truly remarkable what Diniz has done with this Fluminense squad, it's too bad he doesn't have enough time nor the players from the Seleção obey his style... it really really works, but the players need to be on par and stick to his system
And now with Fluminense winning the most important championship in the Americas, the Libertadores, his style and tactics have finally paid off.
That's great seeing some love for Brazilian club football specially for Fernando Diniz's Fluminense. His game can be seen as a "modernized" version of what Brazil did right in the past: creating a system where the self expression of talented players is amplified through associations that give them room to improvise. His idea of football appeals for the "indolent genius" archetype so common in Brazilian Football: we produce the most technically gifted players in the world, but they often lack the discipline and education to settle into formal structures. That's why so many promising players struggle to thrive in Europe. And it's important to note that the idea to packing a small area of the pitch to explore short fast passes resembles futsal. Many Brazilian players start their youth careers playing in courts rather than in pitches. For many of them, Futsal builds skills such as being press resistant, doing fast positional rotations and passing on the first touch in very tight spaces.
But there's another side to Diniz's philosophy: he has a bachelor degree in psychology and an integral part of his workstyle is building the confidence of their players. Both on themselves and on their teamates to execute such a high-risk / high reward style of play.
Greitt
O maior problema até agora nos times do DIniz é a instabilidade. O time joga muito bem até o primeiro desastre acontecer. Vitória espetaculares e derrotas igualmente espetaculares.
Vi isso no meu São Paulo, perdendo um campeonato mais ganho que o do Arsenal esse ano.
Não sei se isso é culpa do esquema dele ou de jogadores que ainda não estão adaptados a esse estilo.
Mas sei que é um sistema bastante exposto que com frequência dá oportunidade para que erros de saída de bola resultem em desastres.
Foda!
@@gnevescoelho Acho que o negócio no São Paulo foi o lance do perninha mascaradinho. Pegou muito mal, claro, porque foi de fato algo bem zuado. Aí ainda veio a eliminação pro Grêmio, que ganhou de 1x0 tendo só 1 chute a gol num contra ataque, e o São Paulo tendo 80% de posse de bola, aí virou chacota.
He just reinvented Telê Santana's Brazil 82 and São Paulo FC 91-93. For those who doesnt know Cruyff and Telê are Guardiola's inspiration for that 4231 that changed football meta back in +- 05.
I'm a Fluminense supporter and I can confirm that, despite the rivalry among teams in Brazil, there's a lot of admiration coming from everybody towards Diniz's way of setting Fluminense. There is truly a renaissance happening here, rediscovering our football. It was brilliant to check out your analysis. Thank you very much.
I'm a Botafogo supporter and after a long time I'm following games from other team. It is so fun to watch Fluminense matches
@@vitoraduarte Eu também. Torço para que o Fluminense ganhe a Libertadores esse ano.
And alot of cruel criticism towards him. Brazilian journalism works on almost though criminal modus, and that's why Brazil is falling on ⚽ game, it's our own fault as a Brazilian towards professionals and what they want to bring to the sport. We're still using terms and creating heroes and villians pointing fingers playing the crystal ball or being post game specialists.
When stuff start to get close enough, the real life just don't work like outsiders or spectators wants to, so it's better to start to be more smart and change and putting everyone on their position. Changes can't work through day and night, so, I admire more the resilience of Diniz than his work itself.
I'm a Flamengo supporter and I second this.
If you really like football, it's hard not to admire Diniz's work, even after a crushing defeat to him. I won't even be that mad if Fluminense eliminates Flamengo in the national Cup... As long as Fluminense goes out to win the friggin' thing with style, that is. Deal? o/
So, are you a flower?
It would be fascinating to see Taraabt, Payet, Pogba, technically unbelievable players who are seen as "difficult", how they would work in a setup like this
actually someone listened to you and Payet went to Brazil hahaha
@@Vecchete vasco doesnt play nothing like Fluminense
@@filipesm77 no, but went to Brazil. That's already a start.
Malmö FF play the same as fluminese and they have a player called Taha Ali which is an extreme dribbler. He does very good, unfortunately he cant finish but its amazing to watch
First player I thought of was Berbatov
É bonito de ver que o pessoal de outros paises valorizam o trabalho do diniz. Em grande maioria os brasileiros não o apoiam. Porem ele é um grande treinador.
Torcendo muito pra ele dar certo na seleção e trazer a taça de 26. Sou fã dele. O cara pra prosperar como técnico no Brasil tem que ser mto bom, tem que ter mta qualidade e firmeza. Pq o brasileiro é mto exigente, coloca tudo no amor pelo seu time. Só no último mês mandamos embora dois europeizados que só fizeram bobagem aqui: Jorge Sampaoli (argentino, mas estilo europeu), do Flamengo e Bruno Lage (português), do Botafogo, que ia conseguir a façanha inédita de fazer um time líder do campeonato com distância de 14 pontos de vantagem para o segundo colocado perder título.
😂
Esse canal é de um brasileiro
@@ruiplayerdrr é uma pergunta ou afirmação? Se for uma afirmação é bom que os vídeos sejam em inglês, pois é de mais fácil acesso para as pessoas do mundo todo verem.
ele é um baita tecnico, mas tem q aprender a controlar o emocional
True history
Diniz has been known for playing out of the back, so teams started to press high against his teams
he is such a creative coach that I saw him doing something that I have never seen before or since
I was in the stadium watching Parana FC (he managed them briefly). When the opposite team went to press high, Diniz made a GOAL KICK SET PIECE.
Parana had a goal kick, and the opposition pushed up, waiting for the short pass, DC and DM were also at the box's edge. Then out of nowhere, the DC pushed up, rushed to about the mid-circle, and turned back. The GK chipped the ball to the DC. The DC had no problem protecting the ball against a midfielder, and he made a wall, pivoting for the DM that was rushing up with the opposition behind him.
It was so clean and choreographed. The team nullified the pressing line with this, which was baffling, a goal kick set piece. I've never seen that anywhere.
Mano tu é brasileiro só pode
give me links, if there's footage
@@lindomarjunior6906 So Brasileiro assiste Paraná Clube kkkk
@@shahir1395 I doubt that footage exists, it was a random goal kick in Brazil's second division. That was the kind of things you had to be in the stadium to see
@@thomasmiller28 mas ele errou. O Diniz dirigiu o Athletico - PR, não o Paraná. [edit: ele treinou mesmo e o carinha de baixo me avisou]
I always wondered why no coach in EPL tried something different other than positional play, its great to see that there's a revolutionary coach in Brazil!
Most teams in the PL do not play juego...
I feel like there’s a lot of similarities with this and the way Real Madrid play under Ancelotti. A lot of freedom of movement, particularly in midfield, looking out of shape at times but while still playing the ball around the opposition. Even Modric spoke in an interview one time mentioning how they play a lot on instinct, just coming close and combining with one another but so effectively cause they’ve built strong relationships with each other on the pitch and are given the freedom to just play and move where feels natural.
@@edwuncleriii2742 couldn’t agree more. Personally I think it suits the Brazilian football pedigree and their instinctive understanding of the game as a whole a lot better than positional play would anyways.
These guys have an awareness of where players could be rather than knowing where they should be, creating pockets of patterns that I imagine would expose the rigidity of these carbon copy academy graduates and tacticians.
@@Proclubsgoat22 exactly this! There couldn’t have been a better place than Brazil for this play style to grow and develop. Where their players can really make use of that inherent natural skill and instinctive ability they seem to possess. Would be great for it to be more widely adopted at a higher level and see it match up against big clubs and countries using a more orthodox positional play style. Could be a massive game changer.
Klopp.
Diniz and his philosophy are based on values such as solidarity, dialogue and courage. In the human relations of support to their companions, all together thinking about a single objective. With that, he has been rescuing our DNA, our essence, the soul of Brazilian football, in which talent, improvisation, "the ginga", made us five times world champions. It allows athletes to use all their creativity and talent without giving up solidarity with their teammates.
@@esleihenrique3869 Brazil playing European style doesn't work.
It's interesting to see this video just after watching Fluminense win the Copa Libertadores. Maybe this coach is what the Brazilian National Team needs to win a major tournament again.
That's basically classic Brazilian football. Finally, someone is bringing it back into Brazilian football. The European-ish game practiced by Brazil's national team these days could be one of the reasons for their unsuccessful runs in the last 5 world cups.
Não nao, vocês falam como se antes de 2002 o Brasil ganhasse todas as copas que disputava, sendo que teve muitos vexames em várias copas passadas, nos anos 90, 80,70, 60 ..
Thing is 5 world cups don’t sound like much, but it comprehends two f-ing decades…
@@CharlesSilva-xh2pm Leia o texto de novo. Você não entendeu. É claro que perdeu bastante. Mas pelo menos jogava como Brasil e ia mais longe nas copas. Hoje em dia, dificilmente passa das quartas. Nem é questão de ser campeão. Me lembre alguma outra vez, entes de 2002, em que o Brasil tomou de 7x1 em uma copa do mundo? 4 das últimas 5 ficando nas quartas de final? O que chama a atenção nas últimas copas é a europeização do futebol brasileiro. O Brasil abandonou suas raízes. Pode esperar que esse será o jejum mais longo da história do futebol brasileiro. Escreve aí.
@@gerazuniga8496 Yeah, bro. Two decades in the world of football. That's a f* lot.
@@89ccmf homem,antes o mundial levava muito menos seleções,tinham seleções na Europa em que o futebol não era profissional sequer.
O Brasil foi campeão em 94 a jogar o seu futebol mais horroroso de sempre,em 82 com o futebol mais brasileiro possível,não venceu porra nenhuma.
This system seems to require very creative, very technically talented players to work the best... and I think the brazilian national team might be just the right team to make it work.
Paqueta would shine in this kind of system
@@greatfelixo100%
Tele Santana brazil
The problem is, that the Brazilian Top players all play in Europe.
This is normal in South African football 🤷🏾♂️... Coach Pitso Mosimane has won 3x CAF Champions league titles and 2x Club World cup bronze medals playing this type of football. Mamelodi Sundowns dominate African football with this style of play.
7 months later, we'll be watching Pep Guardiola x Fernando Diniz, future is quite curious, isn't it?
And now, South American Champions. This coach are amazing
Need more vids about the Brazilian league! Excited about this one
Yes yes yes PLEASE
There's no much than taking european coaches and bringing back Brazilian players who played in Europe, that was common in the past, but now we have the players who has grown their football in Europe and not in Brazil. Our league is basically playing low/mid-budget european football.
Hopefully, he does a video about Vanderley Luxemburgo and his lack of understanding of modern football 🤣
@@PoucoHabilidoso kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@@PoucoHabilidoso If he calls Luxa "Titchêr" i'm gonna piss my pants
This is kind of cool. Even as a fan of old school tiki taka, it's really nice to see more positionless football being played around the world. It makes matches more exciting and interesting to watch.
Beautiful vid good work ❤
guardiola made football boring af
Facts, I love this style, I have been playing like this for ages on fifa, good tactic. Old school tiki taka best football.
And now he’s the new brazil national team’s coach until 2024. Really looking forward to watch the friendly matches against argentina and spain in the near future.
THE "FUTEBOL BONITO" FUCKING WON!!
that analogy at the end of football as an extension of culture and relationship with authority goes pretty hard ngl
fr, I live in Brazil, and I kinda could see what he was talking about
To be honest, my mind had a little brain explosion moment when he said that, bc football is a big part of the soul of brazilian people, is more than a game, is in many cases the language and the lens through the people from here sees the day-to-day life, that came into my mind when he said about the identity crisis of our seleção is passing right now regarding of if we keep relying on the way football is usually practiced here even being not as successful as the european, or the seleção go even more deeper over the european way of doing football which proved to be very successful...
Super interesting. It rlly brings up colonialism to the table given the Europeanization of football in different parts of the world. It makes me think about the different meanings that “success” in football can have other than a European model so embedded within notions of productivity, development, modernity…
These tactics are reminiscent of Brazil '70. I'd love to see a return to national styles of play..at least in WC competition.
The funny thing is that Brazil's 70 was one of the basis what we now call the European way of playing. And even Guardiola has already said he took inspiration in Brazil's 70 and 82 team.
@@gusadico tem uma entrevista do alemão Paul Breitner à ESPN brasileira, lá nos anos 2000. Ele basicamente disse que a seleção de 70 forçou os europeus a mudarem. Vale a pena procurar.
@@rocambolli daora, vo ver
@Gustavo He may have said it, but I didn't see it. Ronaldinho just entered the chat.
@@carltonlambert7608 that has nothing to do with anything. Ronaldinho was old and washed up by the time Pep got to Barca and clearly they didn't miss him much after winning every single trophy possible and producing the greatest player in football history.
Great video. We need this video to be resurfaced to explain the world how joga bonito works and still has a place in football today. This explains why Fluminense played the way they did and won the Libertadores cup.
Very good analysis, you were able to really depict on the key points of the game model. The culture dimension Diniz brings to Brazilian football is also a key factor, because in Brazil a player grows up in love with this kind of game. The “tabelas”, the freedom to move and attack, the improvisation and lack of structure are a huge part of Brazilian football culture. It is said the the players love playing for him, because playing like that was their childhood dream 🙌🏼
yes!!!!
@@Leointeressante The freedom improvisation is a part of our lives. 80% of us live with only 300$ per month and I said that lauthing. Loving be a part of it, knowing the risks. The fact of Diniz, being almost a joke in Brazil soccer culture, reveal that here mirrors are a problem.
This is for sure one of the best football videos I’ve seen. Would love to see more of these videos focused on different perceptions of football challenging European hegemony, and even what does that mean politically and socially, as the video outlined. It really does make me think about the relationship of football and other areas of society, such as ways of understanding power, authority, and space for creativity and agency. It definitely brings the meaning of sports to another level. Thank you for this gem!
Exactly, I have been thinking about this recently myself. A kind of freedom in a structure, pre scripted and pre determined.
Papinho mole esse: "o que isso significa politicamente e socialmente", "modos de entender o poder e a autoridade". Menos... tá parecendo esses militantes tontos.
@@alcoviteiro “militantes tontos”? Go hate somewhere else pal. Have a nice day
Fully agree amazing take on the love to learn more
@@alcoviteiro keep crying hermano
Never thought I’d see Purist cover my team. I’m not complaining 🇭🇺 VamoTricolor!
Total man, fiquei surpreso de ver o Fluminense aqui lol
Tipo, foi nesse vídeo q percebi q o futebol do Diniz pode atrair a atenção do mundo pra algo novo se bem sucedido, talvez quebrar padrões globais
O Fluminense pode fazer algo na história do futebol muito maior do que apenas conquistar títulos!
FLU 👏
FLU ❤🤍💚
FLU
"Vitória, Fluminense!!" ❤️🤍💚
Watching this 5 months later, Diniz and Fluminense just won the Libertadores, and Diniz is coaching the Selecao. Brazil has had some disappointing results in WC qualifiers, hopefully he can bring his philosophy to the national team given the time
Pep will be definitely scared with this tactic when the Club World Cup comes.
Great video, please consider doing more Brasileirão/south american content. High-level english language analysis is an untapped niche here on YT imo. While I don't know what the metrics of this particular vid will end up being, I'm a big believer in the 'build it and they will come' mentality. Would love to see videos on Atletico Mineiro, Palmeiras, or Flamengo. Cheers!
Yes! I really miss any form of attention in english speaking channels to south american football, and that is especially true when talking about tactic! I actually haven’t ever seen someone outside of Brazil talk about it before, much less in the sort of quality this channel provides.
I’m hoping there is an audience for it, because honestly I’d love to cover more South American football!
@@thepurist_ maybe a way to attract attention is putting diniz name on title
Because is probably that if he became Brazil next coach it will attract people to this
@@thepurist_ I'd love it, thanks!
There's no other South American content than Fluminense from Diniz. Maybe the sucessful of Independiente del Valle, a club from Ecuador is an interesting one.
Honestly, i think this would work so well in International football. Even more so with Brasil. Coaches often don't get the time to prepare the intricate movement of Position play, and it just results in predictable and daft movement (Portugal...). But if you have high quality players, who are good on ball control, and have the energy to counter press when the ball is lost... This, i think, would work really well
That's funny because in Brazil some say Diniz wouldn't work in Seleção because of the time to implement this, and one of his characteristics is that his teams show his traits very quickly
But I don't give a fuck for the Seleção, Diniz will remain in Fluminense 🇭🇺
That is the opposite. Positional game is much easier to train, basically you ask for the players to cover part of the pitch and give an option to their teammates. Playing like Fluminense requires a lot of training, chemistry and game reading to move freely and dont leaving open dangerous spaces.
This would work very well until that single counter-attack on a quarter finals of the World Cup and from there people would throw him at the wolves. It is been like this for years at the seleção
As a USMNT fan, that was my exact thought throughout this whole video. Our mess of a federation is often alternating between trying to be as European as possible and Americanizing everything, and often succeeds at neither. Our last couple of national team managers in Berhalter and Klinsmann have been so laser-focused on building a European style position-play team, but inevitably our teams often disappoint and the fans end up sitting thru mind-numbing 0-0 draws against the likes of El Salvador and Trinidad. This Diniz philosophy feels like a potential solution for at least SOME of our national team’s problems. A lot of our best players from the US are high-energy, tireless runners who tend to be positionally flexible. Plus many of them have been playing with each other for years, so Diniz’s idea of placing the emphasis on player relationships and flexibility feels like it could work wonders for our team. Knowing our federation tho, we’ll probably not embrace Diniz’s philosophy in the US team until at least a decade after the world game has moved on.
I can't think of another player that would benefit more from Diniz's tactis than Neymar. He likes to play to play those one-twos and combine with players, and also with his invention, his imagination, he'd truly excell.
He just won the Libertadores 🙏🏼
They are of champions of South America 🚀🚀🔥
The comparison of Ganso with Ozil is perfect. They are really very alike. Extremely talented players that don’t fit the physicality demands from modern football
"exigências físicas"
eles apenas dizem, "não há espaço para meias clássicos, pois queremos forçar um futebol contemporâneo fútil e ridículo". é puro assassinato de reputação.
@@nayutakani6500I wholeheartedly agree.
Another really important thing to say about Diniz jobs are the human aspect of the thing. Much more than tactics his word of command is COURAGE. In Fluminense backstage videos you can see him yelling at players asking them to not be afraid of trying dribbling or difficult passes even thought it is on a critical zone of the pitch. This reflects on many relates of players that played with him saying that Diniz helped them outside of the pitch. Alexandre Pato even said that Diniz helped him to get out of depression and Bruno Guimaraes said that Diniz changed his life.
Diniz always says that his biggest trophies are no championships and yes the recognition of players for the human relationship they develop
Diniz antes de técnico, é um psicologo formado também, além de ex jogador, formou-se em psicologia, o cara é monstro! sou fã desse cara, como tenho saudades dele no tricolor paulista.
Last update: Diniz is The champ of The continent and is also running Brazil's National team
E hj tomou um sapeco do city
@@leo_rdgse tomaria com qualquer sistema de jogo. A estrutura é o investimento do city são absurdamente maiores. Não é demérito ser goleado nesse cenário, pois clube nenhum da América do Sul consegue fazer frente aos citizens nesse momento.
Nenseeeee! I love you, Diniz! You've made It! We won the Libertadores!
Important points for those who are not Brazilian:
Even though it is a very traditional club, in terms of budget, Fluminense is currently a mid table team. So to reach 3rd in the league is overachieving a lot.
Also - Diniz has been around for quite a few years already, always with a similar style, and varying returns. He is an idealist, kind of like Bielsa in that sense.
His teams have shown to be vulnerable to low block teams with quick wing outlets who can use the empty side to its advantage, and there is no shortage of quick, skillful wingers in Brazil.
Trying to press his teams high can be a very high risk/high reward proposition too - they are very well trained to break out of pressure, but will also play with very high risk out of the back.
When it works, it is beautiful, dominating football, like the destruction of Flamengo in the Carioca final. When it doesn’t, he can be in the other side of that beating.
É possível usar os conceitos do Diniz de forma mais conservadora, aliás isso já existe, JJ por exemplo
@@Trius179 o JJ tem ideias bem diferentes.
Olha o vídeo desse mesmo cara sobre o Malmo da Suécia, esse sim tem um “dinizismo conservador”.
Mas meu comentário é sobre o Diniz especificamente - por isso q comparo ele ao Bielsa. Bielsa é um dos “pais” do estilo Guardiola, mas sempre teve trabalhos irregulares, com momentos brilhantes e derrotas inesperadas, por ser purista/idealista. Ele vai ao extremo.
O Diniz, com um estilo bem diferente, é parecido
@@mateusbez2669 nenhum treinador é igual ao outro,mas as ideias são parecidas sim,esse "Dinizismo conservador" nada mais é do que o jogo funcional, eles estão chamando de jogo relacional,é um jogo que dá mais liberdade aos jogadores, Dorival joga assim,aliás esse foi um dos motivos para o time do Flamengo melhorar com ele ano passado, no geral os times brasileiros não jogam bem o jogo posicional.
E na verdade o Guardiola é filho do Cruyff.
@@Trius179 não, não são parecidas.
Eu acho que vc não viu o vídeo. Ou não entendeu.
@@Trius179 O primeiro a falar que existe comparação mesmo que conservadora de Diniz com JJ, acho estilos completamente diferentes ...na verdade nem se compara...SDT!!!
"A...More human game" exactly what I was thinking. Football is becoming a little too robotic. I hope flair players make a come-back soon
Winning championship and flair doesn’t go together.
You should know this. There’s a reason why FLAIR players went out of style. You’re relying on individual make something happen but if the opponent is very strict defensively, flair means nothing.
That’s why positional play became the META. That’s how you win games and championships.
Without it, you have no chance at winning trophies.
@Aloha Tigers The thing is humans are, in general, smarter, faster, and fitter than ever before and that's excluding freaks of nature like Usain Bolt.
@@alohatigers1199 Football didn't born as an spectacle? A show? People doing unbelieveble things with their feet wasn't the reason why became the biggest sport in the world? So why should we let this became a robotic thing? I don't wanna see 5 guys making the same passes in front of the area.
Robotic wins
Cry more 😂😹🤣
This analysis and the links you provide are exceptional. I am a lapsed, frustrated coach who has been away from the game for decades but still love reading tactical and training books and articles. Very happy to have come across this. Relationism expresses and defines something I've been trying to articulate for as long as I can remember; it relates to so much more than football. You made it very clear and understandable.
This week Diniz become the coach of the seleção brasileira
Everything is possible bro.
Dont give up :D
@@TheBodyMachinee hoje ele é campeão da libertadores da América!
Não desista! Vc vê a importância de não desistir, quando pessoas do outro lado do mundo te incentivam a lutar!
I was delighted since the beginning of the video but when you talked about Ganso I couldn’t believe it. It’s great he gets the recognition he deserves outside of Brazil. He is one of the best midfielders I’ve ever seen in my life (specially in that unbelievable Santos team) and as you said, and many say in Brazil, an old-school 10 we unfortunately don’t see anymore and is in extinction. I hoped he could get world fame but unfortunately Europe and his injuries probably didn’t help him. Fantastic video.
cmon
The old school 10 will only make a comeback if coupled with dynamics. Ganso still does not move enough. Big liability defending and even attacking if you need pace.
Unfortunately, just smarts and technique cannot get you far today.
É pq ele é brasileiro. Vc acha msm q europeus conhecem Ganso,?
@@84kassiano poha nem sabia q era BR
@@Guizambaldi inteligência e técnica te leva longe sim, principalmente no futebol contemporâneo, onde só se vê ogro jogando.
What an incredible essay.
Diniz was always seen as an ongoing joke in Brazilian football since his first appearance at Fluminense in 2019. Shuffling between clubs, he was always seen as an "idealistic coach who can play beautifully but never wins any trophies". I'm glad that he is finally back on my team and the media is now taking him more seriously and giving him a well-deserved credibility for trying to revolutionize national football.
As a Fluminense fan I just really hope he can get us some trophies before moving to Seleção 😅 But never in my life I've been more excited as of now to see my team play each week, truly a work that represents the art of football in its beauty.
As a Fluminense supporter, we also call this “rejection of space” and the congestion of players “SACANAGEMZINHA”
Bibi, eu te amo
@@vagflu07 HI VITOR, I LOVE YOU TOO
@@gabrielbertolot come do Rio. Our friend, The Seal, would love to fool around with you through the city.
As I brazilian, I havenl to say: This videos was amazing and very precise. Diniz is a "crazy difference", but very charming. The explanation about Brazilian footbal was very rich. The comparation between Ganso and Özil is perfect, they are very similar. 🇧🇷
This aged very well.
Assisti a esse vídeo sorrindo de orelha à orelha, do início ao fim. Orgulho de ver meu Fluminense protagonizando uma quebra de paradigma na forma de jogar futebol atualmente. Orgulho de ver esse time treinado por Fernando Diniz, um treinador completamente disruptivo e corajoso. O Fluminense chegou! Vamos por mais!
VENCE O FLUMINENSE!
Papo reto, parceiro hahaha 🇧🇬❤
Seu Fluminense não tá protagonizando nada. Vcs mandaram o cara embora não tem nem mto tempo e já já vocês mandam novamente quando começar a flutuar. E quando falo vocês, falo de vocês mesmos: torcedores. Somos um LIXO de torcedores, todos nesse país.
Joga bem contra time meia boca! Pega um time ajeitado aí joga retrancado!
@@mindelos1706 e o Riverplate? Num fode! atura ou surta, seu clubista
@@mindelos1706 Times meia-bocas:
Flamengo (4x1 na Páscoa: chocolate)
Corinthians (4x0 do Maracanã, gol do Fred com problema de visão e 2x0 na Arena Corinthians)
River Plate (5x1, humilhação)
São Paulo (3x1, hat-trick do Cano)
Atlético-MG (5x3)
Sugiro parar de falar asneira na internet e assistir futebol.
First time I'm hearing about this coach and the clips you've shown of his tactics looks so fun to watch. I love his style now.
it is REALLY fun too watch
The most entertaining team to watch in Brazil BY FAR, and I'm not even a Fluminense supporter
It's incredibly entertaining, even in this video, my flamengo got smashed 4-1 but I still enjoyed the game because it takes us back to "the beautiful game" tricks and dribble and skill, not just fast runners and wingers and crosses.
Amazing analysis. It mix culture, philosophy, sociology and of course football tactics. So intelligent and profound. Hands downs brother! PS: Fluminense just won the Libertadores Cup of America. (the equivalent of Champions League in Europe).
There are definitely a very specific set of requirements to make this kind of system work but Diniz seems to have started a beautiful renaissance with Fluminense. It will be very interesting to see how this change reverberates throughout Brazilian football and perhaps beyond.
E de fato, agora ele está na Seleção Brasileira, infelizmente de maneira ainda não definida. Vai ser uma revolução como você previu
I love fernando diniz, i send my regards to the channel for bringing him here
VERY good analysis! I would like to add something’s great about Diniz. He is a psychologist and have a great concern about the state of mind and well being of his players. Which is quite different in Brazil, where the vast majority of players comes from very poor and not structured families.
Players usually love Diniz.
Verdade amigo 🙏🇮🇹✊🇮🇹👊
Except when he loses his temper and throws a tantrum on field, losing the players support and blowing a 7 point league lead... Hopefully, he improved from that, because his football philosophy is entertaining af
@@LMarcon11 tá se referindo ao São Paulo, né?
Racho o bico quando vejo dois BR conversando em inglês só pra gringo ver kkkkk
@@denneb-astronomiaearte5994 sim, 2020 ainda dói
Amazing video, thank you! You should make one on Abel Ferreira's Palmeiras. He's an European coach who has been ridiculously succesful in Brazil, playing with a positional style that shifts quite a bit according to the adversary. It would make a nice comparison with Diniz.
This is normal in South African football 🤷🏾♂️... Coach Pitso Mosimane has won 3x CAF Champions league titles and 2x Club World cup bronze medals playing this type of football. Mamelodi Sundowns dominate African football with this style of play.
Pra que fazer um video de Pacto?
Sem comparações meu caro. São linhas de jogo completamente diferentes
Tática, chueveirinho treinado 😂
Thank you for introducing me to this Fluminese style. It is romantically reminiscent of the past. When individuals dribbled past players. Very beautiful.
This is what is called "functional" football, rather than positional. I recommend jozsef Bózsik's texts (the "húngaro", a pseudonym for a guy who writes about football here in Brazil) to better understand these paradigms
One thing I missed in the video, it's their defensive positioning. They defend in a classic 4-4-2 , super compact, even Cano moves back to defend.
Excelente análisis!hace tiempo que sigo al Fluminense en especial en esta copa libertadores y principalmente por verlo jugar a Ganso bajo la dirección de Dinis.El Brasil que enfrentó a Perú ya mostró signos reconocibles de su idea
Diniz é um dos melhores técnicos do futebol mundial. Esse cara vai longe
This are the kind of things that make me fall in love with southamerican football
After watching Man City this season I also got a bit scared of how robotic football could become in 30 years
@@posebnonista615which style, that of fernando diniz?
@posebno nista It has already been done. Have you seen prime Barca under Guardiola? There biggest strength wasn't positioning but the ability to play out of seemingly impossible tight spaces. I'm surprised Purist football didn't pick up on this. Positional football can be very predictable if the players don't have the quality or relationship to be able to play out of tight spaces which is what current Barca suffers from whereas Guardiola's Barca was very good at it.
@posebno nista Dani Alves suffered? C'mon man! Arguably the best RB in Barca's history and are you gonna tell me Messi and Alves's off the charts chemistry was choreographed by Guardiola? Lol. If quick one touch passing outta tight spaces is Diniz's style then this is basically what the Spanish call "tiki taka", something Pep hasn't been able to replicate outside of Barca because you need the quality of players to do it which at Braca wasn't just Messi, Xavi & Iniesta but also Busquets, Alves, Pedro & many others. There academy La masia definitely played a role as well. Xavi seems to very strictly play positional football, don't see much flexibility from him and like I said you need quality players who can have such a 1st touch and chemistry which I don't think the current Barca squad has.
@posebno nista It will literally be the opposite. Man City right now are one of the best teams ever. Even in every part of society, robotic structures will obviously take over. Its simply more effective. Why do you think western culture has higher gross domestic product? Because they use effectiveness and structure and dont focus on intuition and beauty so much.
@posebno nista What kind of logic is that? He's not wrong Manchester City currently is the best football team on the PLANET
Fluminense just won Conmenbol Libertadores. Diniz's tactics are solid indeed
Esse vídeo envelheceu mal muito rápido 😂
SRN!
Seu comentário tbm
ST!
great video. I was skeptical at first that you would try and fail to explain conventionally what Diniz is doing in Fluminense. Its very difficult to explain because it's meant to be chaotic, but you did a great job.
fantastic video, from tactic explanations, to players and even the context behind some of the football showed, 10/10 video from start to finish!
thanks, glad you enjoyed :)
I found this article very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
This was a beautiful video, thank you so much. It was interesting and an eye opener
Sou santista mas vejo os jogos do flu. Tá jogando bonito. Volta, Ganso!
sou gansete de coração
Ganso é nosso, sai fora kkkkk
Ganso seria terrivel nesse time do Santos kkk volta pro SP ganso
No fim o que conta é ganhar titulos de expressao 🤣🤣🤣
As a brazillian seeing a such a well done video on this new tactics and explaining them with pin point accuracy shows me that you, the content creator, researchs a lot, studies and enjoy what you do so my sincere congratulations! What a well done job, seing this level of commitment is impressive and heartwarming, thank you for the video :D
And thank you for such kind feedback!
Simplesmente um vídeo fantástico, que vai muito além do futebol e passeia por filosofia, sociologia, etc. Parabéns!
that was lovely! Happy to have found the channel!!!!!!
This was phenomenal to watch
Oh wow, I enjoyed this video.
I'd want Diniz style to be successful so the world can appreciate this style of football cos for me I have always been in awe of styles like this. I'd prefer it for counterattacks though.
Then I like the concept of order touched in the video and the civil war of Brazilian football. I also think African countries have this internal conflicts as well.
But Diniz is proof football can take any form. Great video Purist, Great video. 😊
This is an amazing video! Great to see new tactics being created!
Thank you for the video, very informative
You're doing incredible work man! Can't wait to deep dive into more of it.👏
Appreciate it, thank you :)
My man!
I really hope Dinizismo flourishes because modern coaching is making football too robotic and players don't get enough freedom to play with more flair. There's a reason why football is called 'the beautiful game' and I don't consider most of the football played in the 'top' leagues to be beautiful.
Because of pep, it's becoming boring possession game
@@piplupempoleon4225 don't blame pep blame those who imitate blindly and refuse to think for themselves
@@piplupempoleon4225 pep's games are entertaining what
@@quamne yeah sure, great UEFA final just the other day 👍🏽
@@TheoTattaglia hold on brother! that's just one game! he doing way better than those catenaccios
What a great video! Thank you for that
This is the true jogo bonito , football at its purest form . Football was never about tactics and formations it's about the flow. It's about expressing something that's why I fell in love with this game when I first saw that beautiful falling leaf free kick by Ronaldinho in 2002 world cup my first ever worldcup
Yes brazilian football and soviet hockey were both about full creativity, absolute skill and team chemistry.
Funny thing is, that 2002 Brazil team was one of the least Brazilian, jogo bonito teams. They were very structured with 7 defense first players to provide cover for only 3 attacking players.
After Emerson got injured, they had huge problems in the middle of the pitch. Scolari arrived to a 3-4-1-2 where the 3 centrehalves and the 2 central midfielders were completely defensive. And the attacking was only done by the 3 attacking players who were supported by the 2 wingbacks running up and down.
It turns out that when you have the last golden generation of Brazilian football, and the wingbacks are Cafú and Roberto Carlos and the attacking players are Rivaldo, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho, that's enough...
Isn't flow just a euphemism tactics and formation
Absolutely true.
I strongly disagree. There is also beauty in a perfectly plan out tactical masterclass. Again, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Beings strategic, or in our context tactical, doesn’t imply restriction. It just means we have an objective that we would like to accomplish optimally, whilst having fun.
its super cool to see Diniz get international recognition. He is a genius and as a Fluminense fanatic it is fantastic to watch his work
Brazilian football has always been successful in attacking but not in defending, the identity crisis began after the elimination of the Brazilian national team in 2006 in the world cup, we had a team with a lot of offensive talent but without so much tactical and defensive discipline, from 2006 there was a great movement in Brazilian football in trying to improve the tactical part instead of just technique, this culminated in the choice of Dunga as coach in the 2010 cup, and was consecrated in Tite’s Conrinthians in 2012, who won the Copa Libertadores undefeated, defeated Chelsea in the Club World Cup and dominated the Brazilian championship in 2015. This game philosophy remained contested, however, as we watched Cruzeiro 13/14 and Grêmio by Renato Gaucho, but which had its main challenge with Flamengo 2019 by Jorge Jesus .
Currently, Abel Ferreira's Palmeiras has been obtaining results with the same philosophy that Brazil opted for in 2006, but this is becoming an identity of each club, clubs like Santos are historically offensive with a philosophy of technique, speed instead of tactics and defence, while clubs like Corinthians have adopted a more tactical stance.
Fernando Diniz has been a technician loved by some and contested by others, the more mathematical ones say he invents a lot and this ends up harming the assimilation of his ideas by the group and results in very bad results for the team in the short term, his lovers say that Brazilian football needs to be less immediate in results and needs to be more conceptual and that it is necessary to give time and stability to coaches so that they develop new football ideas.
Absolutely fascinating stuff! Subscribed.
Worth noting with Ganso that the perception of him being too individualistic stems mostly from how he doesn't run (or rather hustle), especially to defend. He's very much like Riquelme in that sense. As a South American, I would say this works also partly because teams like River are trying to play in a top class European way using players that might have the techical ability, but not the physical preparation for it. Flu's approach in that sense is also an acknowledgement of the shortcomings of our continent, while trying to play to our strengths. Would be cool to see this kind of philosophy evolve into something that makes the Club World Cup interesting again.
Well put.
Great comment
to make the world club cup interesting, conmebol clubs should unionize and sell their players for a higher price
chamar o fluminense de "flu" nao funciona tão bem quando o comentário é em ingles kkkkkkkkkkk mas concordo com o que foi dito
Also worth notinh our calendar os ridiculous, there's too many games to play every season so the players can't achieve the same physical prep as they would in Europe, even if they wanted to.
"To confuse the enemy, we must confuse ourselves first"
😂
What a great video. Amazing content. Cheers!
So interesting to hear about the way authority is perceived across different cultures - never even thought about how this could impact football. Brilliant video!
Funny you mention Ozil along with Ganso. Back in 2010, when Brazil first found out about Ozil in the World Cup, people instantly compared him to Ganso (2010 was the beginning of the Neymar-Ganso era in Santos). Some guys in the press were literally calling Thomas Muller the White Neymar and Ozil the German Ganso.
I thought of Riquelme
how's thomas muller the white neymar? plays nothing like him. Ozil of course is one of the technical midfield greats of all time.
That's really funny given their levels and what Ganso achieved compared to Ozil.
@@ab-tl2zt Ikr, overall brazillian press was just very excited with the German national team in 2010. This comparison isnt made nowadays though.
@@timmasters1195 Ganso in 2010 was the best player and NEYMAR in 2nd
I loved this video and specially the idea of connecting political philosophies AND culture to how a team plays.
Another interesting idea that I've been thinking of lately is how different the actual upbringing of these players are. In Brazil players start by playing rather freely and formations, at early ages, are way less rigid than they are in North American and European leagues. Positional plays become more important a lot later in the Brazilian leagues compared to the N. American and European leagues. I remember growing up playing football in a way less structured way and then moving to North America and everything was so rigid and defined by one single task for each person in the team that I couldn't fit in at all. The majority of people in Brazil play football in this manner, outside of a league scenario. In N. America everything even, sunday leagues are so formalized. This style of playing has a "pelada feel" which is how most people grew up playing.
Thanks for making such a great analysis video!
There is information that was not included in this great video, for example that Fernando Diniz has a degree in psychology. In this way, he sees the player beyond the field, also considering his history as a person and, consequently, the culture in which he is inserted. Does it make a difference.
By your account, I assume you moved to North America at least a few years ago, right?
If that's the case, I have sad news for you... At least according to local journalists, the young academies of our biggest clubs have started to train the kids as rigidly as the mainstream international leagues.
That is, they're told to stick to their position, always pass the ball in the same manner and never try anything different with possession - all of that as early as possible, when they're still 12 or even 10-years old. This has been a frequent discussion topic in many sports shows I watch, how (most of) our clubs are trying to tame the quintessential Brazilian player by training them to fit the European football they'll eventually be sold to.
Which is exactly why this video and, of course, Diniz's Fluminense is so important right now. I'm a Flamengo supporter, their biggest rival, and even then sometimes I catch myself thinking Flu should win everything this year just to shake things up. We kinda need it before it's too late.
@@50Personas agreed, I've heard that too. Maybe that's why we haven't won the WC in 21 years
One of the best videos I've seen in a while! It's interesting to know some new things that go way beyond football, and it's such a fresh breath of air to see tactical videos that aren't always about European clubs. Top analysis!
Great breakdown and analysis. Thank you for sharing
Best explanation ever about the difference of these two schools of Futebol. Europe versus Brasil. Your analysis is on another level.
I was in Germany, during the World Cup of 1974, working as a journalist for a Brazilian paper. And this "lack of structure" reminds me of Rinus Michel's Netherland, which I was marvelous to watch.
I love it. The breakdown is spot on
This is really good, mate. Thank you.
I've never seen a game vision like that! Congratulations and Saudações tricolores.