As far as I know, the B360 only has 12 PCIe lanes compared to the Z370 (up to) 24. Wouldn't that in some cases make a difference? Also, curiously, B360 support USB 3.2 which the Z370 does not, wouldn't matter for the vast majority of users but somewhat interesting none-the-less.
Hi GN, I have watched many of your videos but I dont think I've seen a video on the mini series of GPU. I have a zotac 1080mini and just curious on your opinion of them?
There are a couple of B360 mobos that have their power limit for the socket set to 65W (and short term power boost to 82W) that are actually limiting the performance for the i5-8600K, i7-8700 and i7-8700K because they simply cant hold their tubro clockspeeds with 65-82W. But those are the really cheap entry level B360s.
some ppl buy them cuz -K SKUs have higher base clocks but the main issue here is that OEMs tend to use these kind of hardware and it raises some corcerns about the performance of OEM PCs equipped with i7-8700/8700K. Not to mention the poor cooling solutions those OEMs usually have.
Even with the power offset up to 82W the 8700 cant maintain the 3.9ghz all core turbo for more than 30 seconds, and when paired with barely sufficient cooling (which OEMs usually use, or the Intel box cooler) the 8700 thermal throttles. That makes the 8700 perform 10-20% less then it should in OEM systems. And also that is why midrange and higher B360 H370 mobos have their socket power set to 95W and short term power draw up to 119W.
Reminds me of the linus tech tips workshop bit Luke used to have. As for things to add, I was going to say tools, but apart from the voltmeters there, and maybe a phillips screwdriver or 2, itd just be a ssd on a shelf with cinebench and msi afterburner on it.
I was trying to justify an 8600k but then Amazon had the r5 1600 for $130 so rip Intel for me 😂 took them long enough though for lower end mobos. Couldn't recommend Intel at the low end for i3😥
Michael Murphy in the US they had a "gaming day" sale or something and they had the 1600 for 150 plus $20 rebate and a 450w evga 80plus Bronze power supply for $21. The 1600 is back to 176 now😂
I have had the 8350k 8100 7100 8400 and now im using the 8600k and I gotta tell you. i3’s are really fucking amazing for the price. So dont talk bullshit
Alaattin Cay that's not what I said. I think the i3's and i5's offer excellent value but until now the cheapest motherboard has been at leas $100. There's no reason to buy a $100 Mobo for a $120 CPU that can't be overclocked anyways. For reference, I spent less on a decent b350 board with the 1600 than it was possible to spend on the 8100 and z370. I heavily considered the 8600k but for me I don't think it was worth the extra $100ish over the 1600. I'm happy with 150 fps instead of 170😂
I spent the first half of the vid trying to work out the random flashing lights on the MSI board. Then I figured out it was the mounting holes as you moved your arm behind it. I've used a Z board with both my non-K i5 and i7T. The reason being that what I needed was only available on Z boards, lots of SATA
I got the i5-8400 and the Gigabyte Z370m D3H mobo. I liked the mobo, it had the features I wanted and if I wanted to go with a 8700k later on it was the best choice. That said, even if there would have been cheaper mobos out when I built my system last year, I still would have very very likely got this mobo. Its not to expensive, but has the features I want. Nothing I hate more then cheap motherboards with lacking features. IMHO of building computers for the last 25+ years, get a mobo you like first and foremost that works with the CPUs you are considering. Buying a CPU and then trying to find a mobo that you may (or may not) like is a bad route and leads to to many compromises in your system build.
Hi guys, first and foremost, congratz, for the channel and for everything you do :-D I got a quick question for you on the B360 - in terms of CPU what do you guys reckon as being a the "best" before start getting bottlenecks ( be it vrm phases, temps or any other etc)? Please ignore pricing over value, or vice versa, just consider sheer performance... You know, that sweet spot, were you draw the line and say - ok, enough, i wont go any further because performance will not increase! Hope i manged to explain it well enough... thx guys and keep up the good work XD
FEATURES... are really the only large differences between mainboards - it has been this way for a long time (I've worked professionally with computers for a few decades now [wow I'm old lol]) - but this is a great video to teach, by testing, that there are no 'huge' differences in performance, when looking for a mobo; GET the most of what you can AFFORD at the TIME [is still a golden rule of PCs]! Great testing and information, thanks for this, to show to others +1
Waiting for 8500 or 8600 (non K) myself. Probably still use a low end Z370 which may get even cheaper when Z390 comes out. Plenty have good enough VRMs (see der8auer's videos on the subject).
clansome Yeah, I think I'm going to go with a lower end Z370 as well. I thought the B360 boards would've been cheaper, but so far they seem to be ranging from $80-$120. Might as well grab a $90-$100 z370 at that point.
I only need mATX and Asrock Z370 m looks good to me £105 in UK. However will probably skip both CoffeeLake and Ryzen/Ryzen 2 as neither offer significant over my 2600K with a 1080Ti. That is, it's cheaper for me to buy 1080Ti than upgrade EVERYTHING and performance hit won't be major.
I have to explain this to new builders all the time. The motherboard chipset does NOT matter if you're only running a single graphics card and lower end non-OC'ed processor. When I built a PC based around the Pentium G4560, I used the cheapest Gigabyte motherboard that was available. The VRMs were wimpy, it had 2 ram slots, it didn't have 100 USB ports, etc, but a Pentium G4560 is hardly demanding. It worked great until I finally sold the PC to someone else looking for a budget gaming rig.
Well most people buy intel because of the advantages by their top end products nowdays 8700k, so they expect low end to be as good, then they add to a cheaper CPU a high end mobo just to feell like they are adding some extra power to the rig, which is just a plain waste of money xD.
Ive fit a gigabyte z370p with a i5 8400 into my 1k budget pc is that any good and compatible or is there better alternatives for the same price ? Im not looking to overclock anything if that makes a difference and its for gaming
Now we have to see how the i5-8400/8500/8600 in the B360/H370 fares against the new Ryzen 5 2600 in B350/X470 with its improved clocks to see if this adds up to being worth it.
Right now UK: B360 HD3: around £90 Z370P D3: around £90 Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4 2666mhz: around £75 Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4 3000mhz: around £75 So Z370 and 3000mhz is the same price.
Naaah. Coffee Lake i5s are pretty neat, after AMD spanked Intel's butt a bit with Ryzen. It's just such a shame that Intel kept milking on them for so long, with sales of unnecessary Z370 boards. Most consumers don't care for OC either - it's actually the vast majority.
Interestingly, releasing the boards so close to the release of Ryzen+ or whatever will probably hurt them, as potential customers might just wait until those drop. I'm not convinced that Intel waited super long to release these after they were ready to be released, Intel probably also sees this and wants to sell as many CPUs as possible. However, most of the Covfefe lake hype has already died down, and few are probably looking to buy one or build a computer in general right now (GPUs and RAM). This is probably the worst time to release these motherboards, as people aren't looking to build a PC right now and if they are, are probably just looking forward to Ryzen+ anyway.
Releasing the low end motherboards half a year later is a good way to sell more of the more expensive higher end motherboards first. Sucks for the consumers who ended up having to buy the more expensive boards to pair with an 8400 that can't even be overclocked.
Gamers Nexus Not necessary, it could also relax those VRM´s which could result in higher clocks,... ^^ Ah and please check those 65W/82W Boards out! :)
So true. I have 2 PC's both have 16gb of ram and I traded the memory between the two making both perfectly stable whereas they would both crash before. cinebench scores are a bit lower but I prefer stable over 10 points.
looking at the i7 8700cpu + H370mobo combo as an upgrade from my i7-4790k. I'm bringing along my ssd's and gtx1070mini so I can use my spare parts to build a streaming PC. Is the recommendation to use ram ddr4 below the highest speed - 2133,2400 or 2666?
dont mean to hate but please not that background, im ok with changing it but please something cleaner looks like a lazy persons mess in the background or like you had to film in your storage room with no space. i always liked linus's garage with the shelf in the corner or the kitchen that had just a couple things placed on the counter
Don't you think benchmarking mainboard is ridiculous? Last time I saw difference in mainboard benchmarks 20 years ago. At the same time no one is testing voltage stability, quality of sound outputs etc.
In my country (Uruguay) 140/150/180USS 2400/2666/3200Mhz (Crosair//Crucial/Kingstone best brands available) I would go for 3200Mhz I guess even minding the extra cost.
I think some of it comes from the fact that a large amount of the innovation we see in desktop computers is just stuff that came to the enterprise products between 1-5 years before. And high clocked server memory isn't really a thing since they add more channels to get the bandwidth instead.
Hey, which one of the following is better? A. i5 8400 + H310 B. i5 8400 + B360 Also enlist why. (In my country, the B360 costs nearly $42 more, and since I am on a tight budget, is it really worth the spend?)
Maybe this reply will be too late, but B360, since it offers 2 DIMM channels instead of one. This is already a feature worth it, and the choice of available IO is better. H310 is for ultra budged or office use.
The Hx7 and Z boards only have 1 difference, overclocking support. The Hx7 series boards only exist to provide the hsio of the z series, without giving oc support. B and Hx1 series do have lower specs.
Frankly this took waaaaay too long. I would have bought into coffeelake when I recently did an upgrade on my htpc. really don't know what intel has been up to this past year or two.
Is the limitation on memory frequency purely for product separation? Since the memory controller is on the CPU, wouldn't the "technical limitation" on memory speed be dictated by the CPU rather than the chipset?
it feels like the camera is a lot closer in those new type of videos, the background looks good but it's kinda distracting and bloated, at least it feels that way
Wonderful. Thanks for the information. I am looking at what the non K sku i3 does in terms of performance because they are cheaper. Maybe the K series i3 is actually worth it for once... Rip 7350k lol
Looking at local retailers (sweden) the B360 and H370 are more expensive than the cheapest Z370 boards (Asus Prime-P and MSI Z370-A PRO). Is this just local or is this everywhere, and if so, why?
It has not. I was referring to Pentium chips, rather than the Core I3/I5/I7's that are out now. The G4560 was widely understood to be better from a price/performance standpoint than Kaby Lake I3's.
I don't understand. I'm talking about Pentiums. I see 8th gen Pentiums for sale on Newegg right now. So that's why I'm asking are they not already released?
"the B360s and H370s make more sense as the best boards for the i5-8400, i5-8500, and i3-8300 or i3-8100 CPUs." how about the H310 chipset, does it matter with i3-8100? thanks!
I have exactly the same drill than you, it's a nice one, easy to OC and great performances. Btw what do you think guys : I5 8600k +cheap Z370 or i8400 + b360 +100$ somewhere else in the build ?
8600k if you like to overclock or play total war, civizilation series otherwise I would invest for better ssd or some nice looking, good air cooling, quiet pc case and fans. Fractal Design Meshify and Cooler Master h500p mesh are lovely cases.
If you can upgrade your GPU to a higher tier and it is a gaming build the secondary option is undoubtedly better at that moment however longevity of overclockable skews is usually far superior (performance wise)
Ok thanks for you answers guys. I'm doing mostly gaming, I'm looking for something at least a bit future proof (4-5 years ? my i5 2500K still running today..) so I even hesitate with i7 8700 non K. Also, I saw B360 mobo have far inferior audio quality, and I listen/play a lot of music on my PC.. Damn, it's hard to choose a PC build. Ryzen + will be inferior in pure fps compared to i5 8500, I5 8600k and i7 8700 right ? PS : I plan to wait for next gen graphic card anyway.
I am in between buy a B360 or H370 Mobo...... but i keep hearing different reviews about PCIe Lanes... one having more than the other.. which effects the GPU performance...... and i cant decide which one to get... and i only want to play Games... not into overclocking or SLI/Crossfire stuff.. so can someone guide me through please?
1 thing im curious on is i noticed the various cofee lake chipsets on motherboards say they only have like 8-24 lanes depending on type. pci cards say 3.0x16---- 16 lanes and the board only sais say 8 or 10 how does that work.
Hey gn. , kind of unrelated but when you talk about high af cases you never mention the air 540 or 740 that do push a lot of air even in stock configs. Are they not recommendee or just very "meh". Cheers
I bought a msi krait gaming for 174.99 canadian, and i just a use a 8700 on it, i do have 3000mhz ram. But I do think in a perfect world i would of saved 100$ and just bought a b360.
Wait these weren't available until right now? WTH coffee lake has been out forever already. I'm not in the market so I haven't been paying attention to this stuff so I just assumed these came out at the same time as the Z370 stuff. Just shows you how rushed this whole coffee lake thing was.
There is something i dont get about turbo boost. Is it considered overclocking or is it not? if i go budget and get a b360 instead of a z370 will i be able to lets say reach 4.3ghz on a i5 9600k? i know the b360 limits overcloking but does the board allow it if i have good cooling. Im thinking of getting a b360 now and if i need to overclock i will get a new board and new cooling later
As an Enthoo Pro TG owner, I can confirm no sightings of the Puckman. The solution may be to own a Phanteks case. However, I'm building a computer for a friend and he chose an S340 Elite, so I may have to install security cameras. Will keep you posted.
4:19AM notification squad?
Find our original i5-8400 2666MHz vs. 3200MHz benchmark here: ua-cam.com/video/Ta9MXgDEziA/v-deo.html
Find our MCE investigation here: ua-cam.com/video/Fa-dou7fL4A/v-deo.html
B360 vs. H370 / Z370 Article: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3277-intel-b360-vs-z370-chipset-differences-benchmark-h370
Gamers Nexus yumpz btw I don’t even have notifications on I just always watch your vids so their always recommended
5:37pm in down under :D
As far as I know, the B360 only has 12 PCIe lanes compared to the Z370 (up to) 24. Wouldn't that in some cases make a difference? Also, curiously, B360 support USB 3.2 which the Z370 does not, wouldn't matter for the vast majority of users but somewhat interesting none-the-less.
Hi GN, I have watched many of your videos but I dont think I've seen a video on the mini series of GPU. I have a zotac 1080mini and just curious on your opinion of them?
4:19, you got a minute?
There are a couple of B360 mobos that have their power limit for the socket set to 65W (and short term power boost to 82W) that are actually limiting the performance for the i5-8600K, i7-8700 and i7-8700K because they simply cant hold their tubro clockspeeds with 65-82W.
But those are the really cheap entry level B360s.
Interesting to know...then again, one shouldn't be buying bottom-of-the-barrel boards anyway, even in low-end chipsets.
there is no reason to buy a -k cpu with a b360 board though
some ppl buy them cuz -K SKUs have higher base clocks
but the main issue here is that OEMs tend to use these kind of hardware and it raises some corcerns about the performance of OEM PCs equipped with i7-8700/8700K.
Not to mention the poor cooling solutions those OEMs usually have.
most oems use the 8700 and its a 65w part so i dont see no problem
Even with the power offset up to 82W the 8700 cant maintain the 3.9ghz all core turbo for more than 30 seconds, and when paired with barely sufficient cooling (which OEMs usually use, or the Intel box cooler) the 8700 thermal throttles. That makes the 8700 perform 10-20% less then it should in OEM systems.
And also that is why midrange and higher B360 H370 mobos have their socket power set to 95W and short term power draw up to 119W.
11:41 - conclusion/TL:DR. Thank me later.
Thanks
My girlfriend said she's jealous of your hair.
Paweł Czarkowski Who isn't?
Tell her to use a modular scalp with flexible hair and sleeved combs.
GIRLS? WHERE?
facial hair?
Thats her way of telling you to grow yours out or shes gonna cheat on you.
Thanks for the detailed test results!
I like the "new" background :)
Thanks! We're still figuring out what to put on it and where!
Reminds me of the linus tech tips workshop bit Luke used to have.
As for things to add, I was going to say tools, but apart from the voltmeters there, and maybe a phillips screwdriver or 2, itd just be a ssd on a shelf with cinebench and msi afterburner on it.
It needs the laser thermometer from the ground-breaking OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS test, and a puck. GN memes are the best memes
Can you tune of the scope's screen please? Having it moving from left to right is doing my head in.
Could look a bit tidier but I like the Workshop appeal of it.
I was trying to justify an 8600k but then Amazon had the r5 1600 for $130 so rip Intel for me 😂 took them long enough though for lower end mobos. Couldn't recommend Intel at the low end for i3😥
Michael Murphy in the US they had a "gaming day" sale or something and they had the 1600 for 150 plus $20 rebate and a 450w evga 80plus Bronze power supply for $21. The 1600 is back to 176 now😂
I have had the 8350k 8100 7100 8400 and now im using the 8600k and I gotta tell you. i3’s are really fucking amazing for the price. So dont talk bullshit
Alaattin Cay that's not what I said. I think the i3's and i5's offer excellent value but until now the cheapest motherboard has been at leas $100. There's no reason to buy a $100 Mobo for a $120 CPU that can't be overclocked anyways. For reference, I spent less on a decent b350 board with the 1600 than it was possible to spend on the 8100 and z370. I heavily considered the 8600k but for me I don't think it was worth the extra $100ish over the 1600. I'm happy with 150 fps instead of 170😂
Alaattin Cay also I recommend Intel for most of my friends. They're just more predictable longetivity wise.
I want a super budget $49.99 B360 motherboard, the only feature I want is a hdmi port.
You don't need USB ports?
LOL
Fuxck u
Don’t you have a graphics card?
James Smith omg 😂😂😂😂
I spent the first half of the vid trying to work out the random flashing lights on the MSI board. Then I figured out it was the mounting holes as you moved your arm behind it.
I've used a Z board with both my non-K i5 and i7T. The reason being that what I needed was only available on Z boards, lots of SATA
B360 + 8400 is a very compelling value for money option now for sure
it kills ryzen 1600 for sure in terms of price and performance.
For Gaming Yes
lucky me, I gave up waiting and bought a i5 8400/z370 board 2 weeks ago. :/
How, prices for b360 through the roof..... Intel $175 +184 versus AMD 90 + $129? Explain that one tech showdown
Ryzen 2000 series launches this month though
I got the i5-8400 and the Gigabyte Z370m D3H mobo. I liked the mobo, it had the features I wanted and if I wanted to go with a 8700k later on it was the best choice. That said, even if there would have been cheaper mobos out when I built my system last year, I still would have very very likely got this mobo. Its not to expensive, but has the features I want. Nothing I hate more then cheap motherboards with lacking features. IMHO of building computers for the last 25+ years, get a mobo you like first and foremost that works with the CPUs you are considering. Buying a CPU and then trying to find a mobo that you may (or may not) like is a bad route and leads to to many compromises in your system build.
That oscilloscope!
Hi guys, first and foremost, congratz, for the channel and for everything you do :-D
I got a quick question for you on the B360 - in terms of CPU what do you guys reckon as being a the "best" before start getting bottlenecks ( be it vrm phases, temps or any other etc)?
Please ignore pricing over value, or vice versa, just consider sheer performance...
You know, that sweet spot, were you draw the line and say - ok, enough, i wont go any further because performance will not increase!
Hope i manged to explain it well enough... thx guys and keep up the good work XD
FEATURES... are really the only large differences between mainboards - it has been this way for a long time (I've worked professionally with computers for a few decades now [wow I'm old lol]) - but this is a great video to teach, by testing, that there are no 'huge' differences in performance, when looking for a mobo;
GET the most of what you can AFFORD at the TIME [is still a golden rule of PCs]!
Great testing and information, thanks for this, to show to others +1
Price is a bit weird in uk. You can buy cheaper or the same cost z370 motherboards.
Marcin Maslowski same in romania :D
Perfect timing, my i5 8400 just arrived in the mail today. Now I get to decide which mobo I want to go with! Thanks for this vid!
Waiting for 8500 or 8600 (non K) myself. Probably still use a low end Z370 which may get even cheaper when Z390 comes out. Plenty have good enough VRMs (see der8auer's videos on the subject).
clansome Yeah, I think I'm going to go with a lower end Z370 as well. I thought the B360 boards would've been cheaper, but so far they seem to be ranging from $80-$120. Might as well grab a $90-$100 z370 at that point.
I only need mATX and Asrock Z370 m looks good to me £105 in UK. However will probably skip both CoffeeLake and Ryzen/Ryzen 2 as neither offer significant over my 2600K with a 1080Ti. That is, it's cheaper for me to buy 1080Ti than upgrade EVERYTHING and performance hit won't be major.
I have to explain this to new builders all the time. The motherboard chipset does NOT matter if you're only running a single graphics card and lower end non-OC'ed processor. When I built a PC based around the Pentium G4560, I used the cheapest Gigabyte motherboard that was available. The VRMs were wimpy, it had 2 ram slots, it didn't have 100 USB ports, etc, but a Pentium G4560 is hardly demanding. It worked great until I finally sold the PC to someone else looking for a budget gaming rig.
Well most people buy intel because of the advantages by their top end products nowdays 8700k, so they expect low end to be as good, then they add to a cheaper CPU a high end mobo just to feell like they are adding some extra power to the rig, which is just a plain waste of money xD.
G4560 + cheapest mobo + 1060 still beats i3 8100 + decent mobo + 1050ti every day of the week?
Ive fit a gigabyte z370p with a i5 8400 into my 1k budget pc is that any good and compatible or is there better alternatives for the same price ? Im not looking to overclock anything if that makes a difference and its for gaming
Just because you're not going to overclock doesn't mean you don't want more ram slots, more usbs, etc.
@@arcadeparty4946 yup i have it with 16gigs ram
Hey guys, just thought i'd pull the lever for keeping the shelf, i kinda like it in the background. The oscilloscope is cool as hell.
Great video - and WOW - now that is a shelf!
And this is why I paired my i5 8400 with a B360 without even digging that deep. Just made more sense at the time.
With b series motherboard.. 8x2 2400mhz ram would enough?
Would like to see you at PaxEast unfortunately I am not going. Great video thanks and saving up for that mod mat for sure.
Now we have to see how the i5-8400/8500/8600 in the B360/H370 fares against the new Ryzen 5 2600 in B350/X470 with its improved clocks to see if this adds up to being worth it.
Right now UK:
B360 HD3: around £90
Z370P D3: around £90
Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4 2666mhz: around £75
Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4 3000mhz: around £75
So Z370 and 3000mhz is the same price.
Intel, what the hell took you so long?!
Naaah. Coffee Lake i5s are pretty neat, after AMD spanked Intel's butt a bit with Ryzen. It's just such a shame that Intel kept milking on them for so long, with sales of unnecessary Z370 boards. Most consumers don't care for OC either - it's actually the vast majority.
I think the answer is "We like money"
Maybe they printed the motherboard box as b350 lol
Ana E still shit toothpaste lmao add another $30 for liquid metal and a delid tool lmao and done a power house without burning a house
Interestingly, releasing the boards so close to the release of Ryzen+ or whatever will probably hurt them, as potential customers might just wait until those drop. I'm not convinced that Intel waited super long to release these after they were ready to be released, Intel probably also sees this and wants to sell as many CPUs as possible. However, most of the Covfefe lake hype has already died down, and few are probably looking to buy one or build a computer in general right now (GPUs and RAM). This is probably the worst time to release these motherboards, as people aren't looking to build a PC right now and if they are, are probably just looking forward to Ryzen+ anyway.
Releasing the low end motherboards half a year later is a good way to sell more of the more expensive higher end motherboards first. Sucks for the consumers who ended up having to buy the more expensive boards to pair with an 8400 that can't even be overclocked.
Please do something on UPS and how to spec them, a lot of us work on computers and this can be an essential back up
Some of the Z370 motherboards are only $100, is that worth it for MCE and higher memory support for the i5's ?
Should have tested with stock cooler! Who buys a Kraken x62 for a locked processor!?
HGL rich people and not poor people
That would be a thermal test. We're not doing a thermal test. This is testing methodology 101.
Gamers Nexus Not necessary, it could also relax those VRM´s which could result in higher clocks,... ^^
Ah and please check those 65W/82W Boards out! :)
i need these infos. thanks GN!
So true. I have 2 PC's both have 16gb of ram and I traded the memory between the two making both perfectly stable whereas they would both crash before. cinebench scores are a bit lower but I prefer stable over 10 points.
My main question with chipsets is- Are you better to get a 'higher end' B360 board or a cheaper Z370? considering they are the same price effectively?
so now i have to wait for i5 8600 vs i5 8400 benchmarks
Probably higher quality VRM components as well, better m.2 nvme support and higher quality PCB’s. Slots, etc.
looking at the i7 8700cpu + H370mobo combo as an upgrade from my i7-4790k. I'm bringing along my ssd's and gtx1070mini so I can use my spare parts to build a streaming PC. Is the recommendation to use ram ddr4 below the highest speed - 2133,2400 or 2666?
dont mean to hate but please not that background, im ok with changing it but please something cleaner looks like a lazy persons mess in the background or like you had to film in your storage room with no space. i always liked linus's garage with the shelf in the corner or the kitchen that had just a couple things placed on the counter
Don't you think benchmarking mainboard is ridiculous? Last time I saw difference in mainboard benchmarks 20 years ago. At the same time no one is testing voltage stability, quality of sound outputs etc.
In my country (Uruguay) 140/150/180USS 2400/2666/3200Mhz (Crosair//Crucial/Kingstone best brands available) I would go for 3200Mhz I guess even minding the extra cost.
Why is memory such an issue in 2017/18? These timings and speeds have been around for some time now. Such a dark art some times
I think some of it comes from the fact that a large amount of the innovation we see in desktop computers is just stuff that came to the enterprise products between 1-5 years before. And high clocked server memory isn't really a thing since they add more channels to get the bandwidth instead.
Wesley Van Pelt that actually makes sense
Speaking of budget, why no h310 chipset pair with i5-8400?
Hey, which one of the following is better?
A. i5 8400 + H310
B. i5 8400 + B360
Also enlist why.
(In my country, the B360 costs nearly $42 more, and since I am on a tight budget, is it really worth the spend?)
Maybe this reply will be too late, but B360, since it offers 2 DIMM channels instead of one. This is already a feature worth it, and the choice of available IO is better. H310 is for ultra budged or office use.
The Hx7 and Z boards only have 1 difference, overclocking support. The Hx7 series boards only exist to provide the hsio of the z series, without giving oc support. B and Hx1 series do have lower specs.
Frankly this took waaaaay too long. I would have bought into coffeelake when I recently did an upgrade on my htpc. really don't know what intel has been up to this past year or two.
Who else noticed the machine in the back with the dot constantly moving on screen. Because I did
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There are videos reporting up to 50% improvement going from 2133 to 4000 mhz ram on PUBG dropping in big cities
$15 more lol. Higher speed memory I've seen going for $50+ more before. The prices are so screwy.
So whats the point of the H series ?
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/chipsets/desktop-chipsets.html
skinlo01 yeah but why would I choose a H series over the B series for that?
I like Bowsers position, looks like he jumped from behind the pillar, trying to scare someone.
Is the limitation on memory frequency purely for product separation? Since the memory controller is on the CPU, wouldn't the "technical limitation" on memory speed be dictated by the CPU rather than the chipset?
RAM prices make no sense in Spain. Sometimes you can get cheaper RAM at 3200 than at 2400. Specially if you're looking for it at Amazon
it feels like the camera is a lot closer in those new type of videos, the background looks good but it's kinda distracting and bloated, at least it feels that way
Yo Steve, do you have a servo with some reflective foil or something? Because I keep seeing that item box at the right reflect light.
Wonderful. Thanks for the information. I am looking at what the non K sku i3 does in terms of performance because they are cheaper. Maybe the K series i3 is actually worth it for once... Rip 7350k lol
The only "theories" about this stuff was about pre-builts. Your testing is appreciated, but misses the issue you claim to be investigating.
Jay and Linus both did videos where their kids helped build a pc. You should make your cat build a pc for an upcoming feature.
ty very much explained a lot made it easier to buy new pc
Looking at local retailers (sweden) the B360 and H370 are more expensive than the cheapest Z370 boards (Asus Prime-P and MSI Z370-A PRO). Is this just local or is this everywhere, and if so, why?
Why are NVME ssd slower on the B360 and H370motherboards because I’ve looked at the PCI lines and it looks like they have a Enough
There is no H370 motherboard test or anything? Why do you mention it?
So now that we're getting non-Z boards, any speculation as to when we're going to see a successor to the venerable Pentium G4560?
Zoroasterisk Soon. Not sure when, but the G5000 series has been rumored for a bit now.
I see it for sale on Newegg right now. Has it not already released? They are really just the same processors with a slight clock bump.
It has not. I was referring to Pentium chips, rather than the Core I3/I5/I7's that are out now. The G4560 was widely understood to be better from a price/performance standpoint than Kaby Lake I3's.
I don't understand. I'm talking about Pentiums. I see 8th gen Pentiums for sale on Newegg right now. So that's why I'm asking are they not already released?
Corey Batchelor link?
Benchmarking mainboards, benchmarks on videos, videos in GIFs, I hope this world will soon end.
"the B360s and H370s make more sense as the best boards for the i5-8400, i5-8500, and i3-8300 or i3-8100 CPUs."
how about the H310 chipset, does it matter with i3-8100?
thanks!
I have exactly the same drill than you, it's a nice one, easy to OC and great performances. Btw what do you think guys : I5 8600k +cheap Z370 or i8400 + b360 +100$ somewhere else in the build ?
8600k if you like to overclock or play total war, civizilation series otherwise I would invest for better ssd or some nice looking, good air cooling, quiet pc case and fans. Fractal Design Meshify and Cooler Master h500p mesh are lovely cases.
If you can upgrade your GPU to a higher tier and it is a gaming build the secondary option is undoubtedly better at that moment however longevity of overclockable skews is usually far superior (performance wise)
8400 with dank gpu would be the best solution
Ok thanks for you answers guys. I'm doing mostly gaming, I'm looking for something at least a bit future proof (4-5 years ? my i5 2500K still running today..) so I even hesitate with i7 8700 non K. Also, I saw B360 mobo have far inferior audio quality, and I listen/play a lot of music on my PC.. Damn, it's hard to choose a PC build. Ryzen + will be inferior in pure fps compared to i5 8500, I5 8600k and i7 8700 right ? PS : I plan to wait for next gen graphic card anyway.
What's the main difference between the H and B boards?
If the BHphoto prices are right you may as well get z series mobo.
Should have title this. NEW INTEL OUT OF THE BOX PERFORMANCE
You can get some Z370 boards for 130$, if you are going low end and don't really care then it's a no brainer.
thank you for your work
I am in between buy a B360 or H370 Mobo...... but i keep hearing
different reviews about PCIe Lanes... one having more than the other..
which effects the GPU performance...... and i cant decide which one to
get... and i only want to play Games... not into overclocking or
SLI/Crossfire stuff.. so can someone guide me through please?
I feel your pain bro. I'm trying to put together my first build too. What processor do you have?
might get i3 8th gen. and will probably get H370
@@provokingwit Wish I could help. I was thinking about a i5 8400 with a H370 myself. Good luck.
Nice try, Steve, I caught that B350 board in the thumbnail.
Am I the only one who noticed the piece of dust falling near Bowser at 3:15
Is a b360 h gaming comparable with a i7 8700k
What are some of the main differences between the b360 and h370? Anything worth mentioning?
A bit more HSIO lanes, and RAID basically.
Don't these boards support connected standby, which z370 doesn't. Could be a consideration if you don't need gaming performance
i already have a good gaming pc, now i would like to build a streaming pc. IS THE B360 good enough or go z370 ?
what about the performance of an i7 8700 with H310?
can install 3200 memory on B360 boards ? will there be any speed reduction or compatibility issues ?
I'm planning on putting some DDR4-2133 memory in a Z370 mb, you think you can really get performance with faster memory?
So when and where can I buy these Motherboards?
1 thing im curious on is i noticed the various cofee lake chipsets on motherboards say they only have like 8-24 lanes depending on type. pci cards say 3.0x16----
16 lanes and the board only sais say 8 or 10 how does that work.
Hey gn.
, kind of unrelated but when you talk about high af cases you never mention the air 540 or 740 that do push a lot of air even in stock configs. Are they not recommendee or just very "meh".
Cheers
We just haven't tested them.
meshify c cases also have very good airflow
Mystic_ 112. Gn already reviewed the meshify c and gave their opinion.
What motherboard should be paired with an i5 8600k?
Z370 or b360
Z370 is your only choice for k models, it would be a waste to buy b360
what mb should i buy for ryzen 2600? x370 is nice but kinda expensive. should i go for lower class mb?
When is the release date?
i5 8400 8gb 2666mhz ram gtx 1070 240gb m.2 nvme 1tb wd blue.. for the great max performance where is better board i need buy? b360-h or h370-f?
can you lower the dram timings on the b360 boards?
Do you have to worry about VRM temps on cheap b360 boards with a non-k chip (namely the 8700)
Can the i5 8600k still be used on any board? Even if it runs slower then it Is?
Took them way too long
Have you seen Derbauer 8700k video?
so if i had a i7 8700k and a B360 atx would i be able to overclock?
I bought a msi krait gaming for 174.99 canadian, and i just a use a 8700 on it, i do have 3000mhz ram. But I do think in a perfect world i would of saved 100$ and just bought a b360.
Nico just bought 8700 with b360m ds3h saved 80$
@@navnathhotkar2020 how it's performing?
I'm also looking to buy 8700!
Wait these weren't available until right now? WTH coffee lake has been out forever already. I'm not in the market so I haven't been paying attention to this stuff so I just assumed these came out at the same time as the Z370 stuff. Just shows you how rushed this whole coffee lake thing was.
Even the 8700 non K should I pair with a b360 board?
There is something i dont get about turbo boost. Is it considered overclocking or is it not? if i go budget and get a b360 instead of a z370 will i be able to lets say reach 4.3ghz on a i5 9600k? i know the b360 limits overcloking but does the board allow it if i have good cooling. Im thinking of getting a b360 now and if i need to overclock i will get a new board and new cooling later
I7 8700 non k mce+xmp test please
Finally, Intel, finally...
Nice pucks.
Don't encourage NZXT! I hear they send a Puckman out...
As an Enthoo Pro TG owner, I can confirm no sightings of the Puckman. The solution may be to own a Phanteks case. However, I'm building a computer for a friend and he chose an S340 Elite, so I may have to install security cameras. Will keep you posted.
Nice shelf!
Going by the results, the Gibabyte Z370 EFI F2 seems to have MCE enabled by default without an option to turn it off. That's kinda shitty.
Watch the earlier video and everthing thing is made clear.