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This is one of my first 20-minute videos, sooo.... timestamps!
Intro: 0:00 (Duh)
Product Selection: 0:57
Build Log: 4:08
My Opinions: 8:47
Benchmarks: 13:25
Conclusion: 17:38
Science Studio you should pin this!
Adreaux Woops, thought I did!
Drake who cares? It is the start of the video.
absolutely
AMD lists the max temp as 85c, so I would personally find a better cooling solution.
"Locked processor because intel is intel" shot fired
VN the reactor ryzennnnn
They should go back to the Pentium MMX practice of open multipliers on all chips. Or atleast make them BCLK OCable like they basically did before SandyBridge.
lucas rem fuck you kid
its getting dangerous to do bclk because of pci-e storage and high usb 3.0 speeds. i know it's almost not doable on ryzen, whereas my fx series was almost all bclk instead of multiplier clocking and i got a ton out of it. this gen is almost all autoclock auto sense. of course thats amd perspective but just what ive noticed the trend to be.
Ryzen has worse single thread performance. And what do modern games use the most? SINGLE F*CKING THREAD PERFORMANCE!
All she's been playing with is software (I had to and I don't mean it Greg hahahaha)
Well I definitely mean it. Otherwise this wouldnt be here but on another rather popular site with less restrictions in terms of allowed content.
Also, nice pun.
Also also, Greg yo girlfriend is gorgeous and the fellow germans are sad to have lost her. Although some of us a grateful since she ended up in such competent hands.
idk where this comment goes. Ima shut up now.
Harsh Sharma oh SHUT UP! They married? When did that happen? And why weren't we invited? :o
How rude is that even? Doesnt invite Lisas fellow germans to his wedding... I mean, we are like only 100.000 people or something (idk his country view distribution or country sub distribution heh), would have been a great time Greg.
But congrats for puttin a ring on it!
Dennis Rigdon wouldnt it be hardware
Jay Seal did you hear that?
That sound?
That was the sound of
r/wooosh
I got an 8400 at the start of 2018, and its been fantastic. Zero regrets.
What u get for the price is excellent.
yup been rocking the 8400 for about 4 months now no complaints
Got it not too long ago, and it has been great to me. Struggles a bit with heavy tasks in Photoshop sometimes, but handles games and streams fine.
Need to get my GTX 760 upgraded tho
Penta Upgraded my gtx 760 to a 980Ti when I got my i5-8400. Nice pairing. On par if not slightly better than a gtx 1070.
I also got mine in the beginning of the year and paired it with a 1060 6gb. Mine stays at 3.8ghz and i cant complain at all. Does everything i want!
crshovveride I also leave mine at 3.8 all the time.
don't feel bad Greg.. My wife won't touch my "hardware" either.. :(
Ðavз maybe cuz u have “software” issues
Hahahahahahahah!!
Might be because you have a floppy disc
I avoid watching anything related to computers because i'm collecting money for a new pc and i cant stand watching all that awesome gear, but clicked accidentally and its SStudio so what the heck, i'll torture myself tonight
LOL
Selmir Kahrimanovic You're in the best stage of your build experience haha. Recently built my pc in March. 😍
Vanos Right? I love the thrill of finding the best bang for your buck and choosing all the parts.
Sweet agony lol
George Herndon Most definitely!! Going through every. Single. Video. To really know what is it that you're buying. Ahhh.. throwback. Haha.
I had a customer pair a 7100 with a 1080ti. I couldn’t get him to get the i5. :(
Ouch. Hopefully his monitor refresh rate was low :-(
More Like his monitor is at 4K
NovaDoll FeelsBad
Science Studio how about i5 8600k paired with 1080 ti, is that ok? Running 1440p 144hz g sync monitor.
^ more than plently as the 8600k is faster than the 7700k which majority of people have paired with there 1080ti's.
Now try a 1080ti with a g4560
hehe
I'm using a Pentium G4560 as a placeholder with a 1070 and honestly it isn't that bad. Not ideal obviously and the bottleneck shows a lot more in CPU intensive games but it's suitable for a short term solution
Phhh thats nothing try it with a intel atom 1 core 1 thread beast
How about i7 2600.
Hazaa Alawadhi i have a gt 8800 could u look how my pentium 4 holds up with the 1080ti sli rig because im thinkin bout going for 8k gaming this fall
Seriously love the new lens you're rocking dude
It's a beast!
Ha! I took "lens" as the glasses he's wearing! I wished I looked good in glasses... Contacts it is for me though, or eye surgery in the near future.
What are you talking about?
JDTechGear it went past my head too. 🤔🤔🤔
Lens??
Holy RGB lightstorm.
Andrew Sobler ua-cam.com/video/J4WGN2sp8Ys/v-deo.html true RGB
PC building is so therapeutic .
i5 8400 is great at a discount but is more expensive then the 2600 or 1600 in canada so i build my little brother a pc with my old GTX 980 and the two make a perfect build
Lets go Team AMD!
But if you are bubbles Junior, what does that make your little brother?
Honda Mitsubishi bubbles juvenile
Probably something else :). Unless his dad's George Foreman, I doubt he'd name both his sons Bubbles.
Good for canada.
Here in SEAsia, the 8400 is cheaper and since intel isnt as ram dependent as amd, a lot more cheaper as a build.
I got an I5-8400 because it gives me enough power for gaming at a good price. In a few years when I will be needing a more powerfull processor, I will be able to buy one of the today's superior I5 or I7 at a much better price than in the present. I must mention the fact that I play exclusively single player campaign games and I'm satisfied with anything over 30 fps 1080p high or ultra details gaming (my freesync monitor's range is 30-75 fps).
be careful, I've been saying that since I planned on upgrading from an i5 2500k to an i7 3770k (motherboard is capable of both), the price/performance gain never gets there when you consider how much intel retains their value.
The i5 8400 is such a good CPU!
Dex4Sure Yea, get the 8700k and spend 400$ more, depends on budget man
Well lucky for me I have both lol. Relax guys they are just CPUs. Clearly both of you have no idea. 😹
Comes into the UA-cam comments section to flex. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 💪
Dex4Sure I only play games so the i5 was definitely the better buy for me
"HyPeRtHrEaDiNg Is ReAlLy ImPoRtAnt."
Idk why most people said 6 core 6 thread is limited 😂 cause just last year spring they hailed 7700k as king which is 4 core 8thread.
Lol
8400 and GTX1080ti is a great combo
remember that the i5 8400 performance is on par with an i7-7700!
for 1440p and especially 4k GPU performance is much more important than CPU
I was planning on getting a R5 1600 for my current build but I could not get a suitable AM4 motherboard that had what I wanted (matx, wifi, SLI, high speed memory support (i found a great deal on DDR4-3733)
I found an ideal motherboard with a z370 chipset and decided to get an 8400 with the plan to eventually upgrade to a i5-k or an i7 later on.
As the hardware testing whore that I am I have run this PC with a 1050ti, 1060, 1070, 1080 and 1080ti
I've not found any situation where the 8400 held anything back. Its an awesome CPU (I upgraded from an i7 3770@ 4.3GHz)
Lastly I would not recommend the CPU cooler on intake for an 8400, it doesn't need outside air to cool it. you are basically prioritizing CPU cooling over GPU and system cooling with this setup. you are better off using standard air cooling or putting the radiator on an exhaust because it will work fine cooling with warmer system air allowing the GPU and system to run cooler. Nvidia GPU's start throttling slightly over 50C ! so you are going to be sacrigficing either system noise (gpu fan) or gpu performance cooling the i5 in intake. move the i5 cooling to exhaust and it may run ~10C warmer but it will still be very cool and it wont impact performance at all, it wont throttle and there is no need to turn the fan speed up.
Still rocking my 4930K, running it with my water cooled 1080 Ti. Want a 1950X, but money..
1950x might go down in the next month or two. Since we should be seeing Threadripper 2.
Do you really NEED a Threadripper ? Or do you just WANT one ?
clansome I'm pretty sure we all want one but don't need one
For my workload it's more than perfect. I don't know if you were asking me, but I do not regret going Threadripper from my FX 8370. As I said in my other comment. If I were to consider replacing my FX 8370 I would consider Ryzen 5 2600 or Ryzen 7 2700. Non X skus.
I do photography and video work and I record and stream game play, so it's nice to have the horsepower for it rather than lacking.
still rocking a 2600k at 4.6Ghz, still a great cpu for gaming!
hyperthreading tends to make a pretty substantial difference, I would have done the same thing :)
@Vyacheslav Ivanov is it noticeable? I have an i5-4690k at 4.5ghz and want to upgrade to 8700k. But cpu+mobo+ram is a lot
@Brett the perf increase will be significant because the combintation of two reasons:
1. increased core/thread count - i5-4690k is 4core/4thread while the 8700k is 6core/12thread, you would literally triple the thread count!
2. architecture - improved ipc due to newer architecture
Since you are already on a 4 core/4thread part, you wouldn't see that much of a difference going to a newer i5 that also has 4 cores/4threads. It's teh combination of both thread count and architecture change that makes the perf difference so significant, assuming that the clock speeds of each part are "somewhat" near about the same
Also, what resolution are you gaming at? You'll notice more difference in perf at about 1080p or lower
I've had an I5-8600 since May and it's very capable of doing everything I want. Such an improvement over the FX 8320 I had before. I tightened the timings on my RAM and undervolted the CPU so I'm all set.
Vertical Mounted Gpu + Front Mounted Radiator + Zero airflow case = Man this rig is gonna be hot, REALLY HOT
i see some people groping the motherboard and then i see some people with gloves and wired up with grounding cables. is it cool to just grab that thing or what? im about to move my alienware x51 in to an nzxt and upgrade some of the parts so im not sure if i should buy a hazmat suit or not
You should be careful, but it's really low risk. Unplug your computer, & hold the power button to discharge any capacitors you can before opening it up. After that you should be good to just start the rebuild. Just avoid things like socks on carpet or polyester sweaters, & you'll be fine.
Thanks!
What you can do too during the build is plug the power supply into the wall plug but keep it off, just touch it's chassis from time to time to discharge yourself
Noah Nitschmann
A static discharge is what you're trying to avoid and it's been my experience that static is more prevalent in the winter than summer. Just touch something metal before handling computer components. Did you know that a static discharge from the tip of your finger is around 20,000-25,000 volts? It's like a miniature lightning bolt. Look it up.
12:45 When I did my first build the guy at micro center handed me a cheaper Toshiba drive and told me they're quieter than the WD drives too. I've been using them ever since. I've been wondering why so many people use a WD hdd, is there an advantage of WD over other hdd manufacturers?
>hdd
>mfw can't greentext
I have a wd hdd just because it used to be an external hard drive until I used a Dremel to cut it open and took the 3.0 adapter off and now it's an internal lol. Long story short, I had it lying around
Whichever is cheapest for the size you need. Toshiba and Seagate are both 7200rpm vs WD Blue 5400 rpm.
I would mention that I’ve used WD RMA in the past and they were very easy to deal with. Sent me the replacement before I had to send dead drive back. Toshiba and Seagate may fo the same but WD was a breeze a few years back. Sound wise, I can’t hear my WD Blue or Seagate at all though.
I got a WD a Toshiba and a Seagate in my rig. (The old Samsung is out because of size, not reliability, it ran fine all the years)
All of them run fine.
The Toshiba might be a bit louder than the Seagate, but runs fast and doesn't has to spin up often anyway.
Whatever works is fine, the differences in performance is rarely an issue and price differences are minuscle.
Just be aware that to make it *_"easier for customers to choose the right drive for their PC."_* WD stopped their Green line and incorporated them into Blue, so now *there are WD Blue drives with 7200 and with 5400 RPM.* The 7200 drives aren't that difference in performance and price then what HGST, Seagate and Toshiba have to offer.
I have been using WD black for 3 years now. Its loud but gives sustained writes speeds of 160mb/s+ over 100gb sequential writes.
I have been running i3's and low end amd cpu's my whole gaming "career" (11 years) And today I finally decided to get a i7 8700k. And damn.. The multitasking I can do now without my pc slowing down is amazing! 100% worth it.
Don't cheap out on the cpu guys.
This is pretty cool, I'm saving up for a 1060 6gb system with the i5, and I think I'll upgrade to 1080 over time, its good to know that the GPU will be the bottleneck even after I upgrade and I won't have to worry about CPU usage. I play high intensity FPS games so I actually plan to go for 144+ fps with a 1060 6 gb, at 1080p and lower graphical settings, with a 144hz monitor. Personally I'm strictly a gamer, and with FPS games all I want is high fps.
Your wife applied thermal paste to a vertical/standing Mobo, thats some confidence there!!
Thermal paste is really not viscous enough to drip. You even could apply it with the mobo upside down
" - Vegetables are healthy
- Depends of what you eat, hamburgers are not..."
Sounds obvious eh ?
Thermal paste and liquid metal are both TIMs, but they are totally different.
Well, i dont trust my clumsy self which i why i am impressed here!
Yooo wtf you're the second channel youtube randomly unsubbed me from. Anyone else?
Iro Iro I got unsubbed as well wtf!
Iro Iro same here and I don't miss a video like ever. He's always on my recommended feed but only now I realized I wasn't subbed anymore
Pedro Lucas It subs me to random channels that I've never been to, as well..
Iro Iro the fuck?
Nah, I'm still subbed
I have a 7700k paired with my 1080 ti
i tell ya every time a new gpu or cpu comes out I always want to get the best and shiniest one.
I keep having to tell myself that I don't need a 9900k with a 2080 ti but it never stops calling my name
TheDonkeyFLOPPER omfg so true
I daydream about that shit lmao
I upgraded from a r5 1600x to an i5 8400, smartest choice I've ever made. Had so many problems with ryzen, my pc was basically unusable. Now it's flawless and gaming is smooth.
3:36 I thought these were a pair of phanteks handcuffs for some reason ;)
Iridium LOL
Science Studio HAHA HE FUCKING REPLIED
Hmmm, gosh, I didn't know you were married. I always appreciate watching a girl in technology. Their are so few of us!!
Nice video!! Hope to see your wife in more... Merci!!
I'm currently sporting two machines. My FX 8370, 2x8GB 16GB DDR3 Sniper 1600Mhz RAM, XFX RX 470 4GB Limited, Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 as my "backup/capture/editing/streaming rig". My second machine is my Thredripper 1950X, Gigabyte X399 Aorus Gaming 7, 16GBx2 32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3200Mhz, EVGA GTX 1060 6GB as my primary machine. If i were to consider upgrading from my FX platform for a secondary rig I would consider either the Ryzen 5 2600 or Ryzen 7 2700. As you mentioned Greg the AMD side is unlocked on ALL processors that I know of, cost either about the same or less, offer a few more cores or the same, and even the motherboard side of things are a little cheaper (usually). My planned upgrades for my 1950X machine are to go to a 1080ti/1180ti. Depending on price, add more RAM, and eventually get away from my SATA SSD and into an NVME m.2 2280 SSD (or TWO).
Thank you for building with i5-8400 It was the processor I chose for my recent build and although I paired it with a Z370 motherboard and a GTX 1070am I am still happy with the end result
Eventually I would like to upgrade to an unlocked CPU but pricewise this was the best choice for me
i have i5 8400
gtx 1050ti
16gb ram ddr4 2666mhz corsair vengeance
I have a similar build, but with 8gb ram instead. It works great!
This is a well timed video for me. I just upgraded to a Ryzen 5 2600x and tomorrow I should be getting a gtx 1080. I'm pretty excited to get close to fps like this.
m00tmike too late for me :(
m00tmike Hahaha what are the chances I've just got that should be playing on it within a couple of days
Having every game at maxed graphic setting without stressing a pc is the most amaZing thing
with a 1080 against a 1080 Ti i wonder how "close" you will get...also that ryzen against the i5 8400 in gaming, i wonder how close...
the 1080 non Ti will cry in 1440p ultra btw, esp. on a ryzen, even in bottlenecked scenarios the fps difference between 1080 and the Ti is 30fps at 1080 at least...right?
I recently purchased this case , this is my first RGB build. The RGB connector for the case RGB is a 3 pin digital connector and my ASUS mb has two 4 pin RGB headers. Emailed Phanteks support but all they told me was that the 3 pin is not compatible with the 4 pin. Which I figured that out that's why I emailed them, but didn't reply back with a solution. So I can only assume you all used the Phanteks controller to connect to the case RGB? Was going to purchase it but didn't find anything online showing that was the correct solution.
Bought my I5 8400 for $180 last week at Fry's. Paired with MSI B360 gaming plus($80), can't go wrong with that!
Nice rock on her hand
Bazinga_X a beautiful shiny mosanite. One of my favorites
So what I paired my E1-2100 with Windows 10
Jesus Meza nice
I have a i5-8400 and a GTX 1070 Ti in my gaming PC and i am really satisfied with its perfomance.
Cool video. This is basically my current main system. Got an off least Acer TC-885 and ripped out the PSU, put in a 600 Watt unit and put in a founders edition GTX 1080Ti from MSI. Maxed the RAM to 32GBs and still going strong in 2023.
So does this mean the 1080ti can be paired with the almighty godlike i3 7350k?
TheGamingToast kappa
Sure it can, and i can imagine that some games will run the same as on i5 8400
/whoosh
Do have an i7 8700k but when one of my friends asked me to build his pc I went with the 8400 only because he only cares about gaming and doesnt do productivity (only opens pc to play games and go on word/ppw). Wanted him to get a r5 1600 because having 12 threads is never a bad thing, but he refused to pay to extra money for the feature (his other friend hates amd and I could not change his opinion no matter what. Suggested him an rx 580 cuz he plays on 1080p and his reaction was I am not buying from AMD because my friend says they suck. Uhhh okay.)
lmao
I have a friend who hated AMD but eventually convinced him that he should get a Ryzen 7 CPU over the 7700K. I think we both made the right call with that decision.
AMD has had a lot of stigma due to their inefficiency and lacking performance. That's really turned around this last year though, but people are unwilling to change their opinion.
Ian Peng aren't you his friend?
Ujjwal Prashar yea but his other friend ia his cooed and hes pretty affirmative qhen he talks. he actually comes off as a shill tbh. I remember suggesting him the rx 580 and he said ewww an amd card it sucks no one uses this...?
Unfriend...
Just got an i5-8400 and I have it paired with an EVGA 980ti. This CPU is soooooo much better than the i7-2600 I had. It doesn't bottleneck my GPU and gameplay is as smooth as butter. I'm thinking a 1080ti and a 1440p monitor will be my next upgrade. Maybe one day I will work my way up to an i7-8700 and an RTX 2080ti.
Just did a refresh of my gaming machine, and I went with the i5-8600 (nonk) (got it at Walmart for $209) and an H-370 Strix ASUS board (around $135) . I wanted the premium audio. I also have a 1080ti (founders edition). 16 megs of 2666 Mhz ram. I went with the Corsair H60 cooler. What I heard before my build was that the nonk intel chips when in full boost, can get warm, so providing them with good cooling is a key element to get max performance. I was going to build using the i7-8700 nonk chip, that was my plan all along, but when I started looking at the numbers, spending like $130 more was only going to get me a handful of FPS, so I saved the money and I'm pretty happy with the system. I just wish I didn't like the look of those new 2080 founders edition cards. Thanks for another interesting video.
Love ya and i just bought an i5-8400 and gonna pair it with a gtx 1060 3gb. What do you think?
get a titan x
no titan v
Try to swap that 1060 3GB for a 1070 soon if the prices are right!
Science Studio yh sure but i just want to get into the pc masterrace as soon as possible! And a gtx 1060 3gb is about 280 dollars in sweden
Science Studio he might as well get a 1070ti since the prices aren’t too far apart and I saw some 1070 ti’s cheaper than some 1070’s
4:58 Dat I/O plate snap
Love my i5 8400. Amazing 6 core, 6 thread performance for the price
2019 just got my new I5 8400 and it;s damn good for gaming even i have GTX 760... CPU does excellent work
2TB HDD for steam library? Try 8TB and running out of space...
+lucas rem - Thanks for the suggestion, i'll look into it!
surely there aren't 8tb of good games on steam??
my steam library uses maybe 2.5tb total of my 5tb :O
i am the other way around with cloud, fuck that shit for basically except sharing files and the like
i have a wide array of games, probably 25% autistic wtf, 25% driving, 25% fps, and 25% assorted
364 games in my steam library now :D
IMO as long as you are not using a high frecuency monitor, you can even pair it with a Pentium and have the same experience
Giuseppe Stallini No no my friend, it's actually beneficial to have higher resolution monitor if you have underpowered cpu. Otherwise youre making your gpu to be underutilised.
With Vsync turned off the frequency of the monitor doesn't change anything at all.
I have a i5 6400 right now and it maxes out with a 1060 in a lot of games, I just bought an i7 8700k because i like being able to play game and watch youtube at the same time. I also play arma 3 which loves the cpu.
Your boy is going to the force the end of the year so I'm trying to get all my gaming and workouts in these last months
hey!!!!! AMD Ryzen 1600 here!
Noice
Nice, me too.
Im on 2700X too. Overkill build with an Asus Crosshair hero VII :D
Rog strix b350 gaming-f, and R5 1600.
Same 1080ti and 1600 chip . @ 1440p the CPU is fine
I stream and game pubg at high af quality settings with an i7 8700k with hyperthreading disabled. does that mean Im basically doing it with an i5?
R Z yes
Edit: Just with more cache and higher clock speeds
if that's the case, then all these nay sayers talking ryzen, are wrong. because I'm doing heavy workloads with an i5 flawlessly that I would not be able to do with a ryzen. but, like you said more cache and clock speeds, wonder how much those really matter.
R Z why tho?
better frame time latencies and better fps with hyperthreading disabled. have noticed no improvements in anything whatsoever with hyperthreading enabled...
R Z >.< Im not sure what it has to do with his sexuality but still why use an i7 without hyperthreading when you bought the CPU for the performance
I'm still using a i7-5820K and a 980Ti. Last Black Friday, I got a 4K monitor (freesync sadly) and it can still handle most games in 4K if you know how to manipulate the settings. I play GTA 5 High settings in 4K and get around 80FPS.
Still rocking my i5-2500K from 2011, but it really can't keep up in modern titles like Far Cry 5. I'm saving up for a new build but I keep going back and forth between the 2600x and 8600K. At least I can be confident that no matter which one I choose, it will blow my 2500K out of the water.
I’m building my first ever pc
Ryzen 2700x
RX 580 8gb
Kolink 600W 80 plus bronze psu
2X 4gb ram
Gigabyte x470 aorus gaming mobo
2tb hdd
Cooler master master box lite 5 RGB
480gb ssd
Zain Rizvi cpu was kinda overkill but nice mate,its a futureproof one!
Mario Brother thanks I’m a noob at there any bottlenecks in there
Zain Rizvi you'll learn eventually
id probably get a better gpu to pair such a beast cpu with. You can definitely take advantage of Freesync if ur monitor has it. And personally, i like cases with more airflow. what resolution you gaming at?
Dkbutler 02 if only 1080p it will be a beast init
I don't really understand why anyone would go for an 8400 when you could get a better cpu in Ryzen for the same, or cheaper.
Personally I went from a 3570k to a 2700x when it released this spring, I honestly couldn't be more convinced that AMD was the way to go over Intel.
I noticed that the 3570 would start to struggle when under load from games, while playing youtube/netflix videos on my tv. Doubling the core count, quadrupling the thread count and a higher clockspeed has been magical. If AMD's graphics department get better by the time I retire my 1070 GTX, I'll have both an AMD CPU and GPU for the first time since I was 15.
because the 8400 gives more fps? People buy it to play games! Nothing more, and it games better than any ryzen!
Myself don't want to buy new RAM with that ridiculuos price and not sure if my old RAM would run well with ryzen.
it is also more expensive?
I chose the same case but different parts for a budget streaming & gaming/working pc and this is exactly how I pictured it looking with the white motherboard and vertical gpu, along with some RGB. All i need now is the money to build it.
So glad to stumble across your video. I'm in the process of building a very similar system, just waiting to source the GPU.
Case: Phanteks P350x
Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z370-A
CPU: i5 8600k
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i V2
Memory: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB (2x8GB)
GPU: EVGA 1080Ti FTW 11GB
Power supply: EVGA 650 GQ
SSD: reusing a 120GB Silicon Power for now
HDD: reusing two 2TB Hitachi's
Planning to setup for 1440p gaming, so your video is perfect for me. Thank you!
i think you're underestimating the amount of people that only game on their desktop PCs. i mean, how many people do photo/video editing, render stuff or stream? the tipical gamer has, at most, the game, steam, chrome, an Anti-Virus and spotify open at the same time. Things that an i5 can handle no problem.
Angelo Ferrarini
Yeah but alot of these games are getting really intensive to tbh
i mean my friends have like 30 tabs open at all times plus some other programs running in the background and then the actual game.
Angelo Ferrarini if you have anti virus you're doing it wrong
Let's not forget all the fucking process Microsoft has in the background running
I don't think cpu reviews even have that much running....so it's still giving the Intel cpu's a tiny bias in reviews. I mainly game...and I have sometimes run a second game in the background to run chores/crafting...while I do another game in the foreground....I'm betting having a 2nd game running would drop I5 minimums below R5 minimums. Pretty sure that i7's have aged much better than i5's when I see comments by i5 users having issues....never see the same from i7 users. R5's are almost like slightly lower clocked i7's vs i5's, but at an i5 price and a much more upgradeable platform.
Water cooling i5 8400 is a SEVERE waste of money! for the price you spent water cooling and cpu you are better off buying air cooled i7 8700.
That wasn't the point of this build... budget wasn't a factor, and it wasn't discussed as such.
Valid point, but hey, some people really believe that rgb makes for more fps :)
TheVerrm We *know*
We all know that. He did just say he was just want to see how it looks installed..it's a new upcoming product and looks like NZXT kraken, It's mesmerizing AF.
randomsup3r True. I use a 18€ chinese air cooler on my i5 8400, and CPU-Zs stress test gives me MAX 58C.
I've got an i5-8400 couple of months ago. Now i consider, that i5 could handle all of modern task for at least 2 years and then, I'll think of upgrade
5:52 to 5:57 a pretty girl slow-peeling cellophane. Every nerd in the world lost it. Well played, sir. Well played.
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Yo! Thanks for dropping by so early.
Rather a locked cpu that is well made, instead of an unlocked cpu with a terrible architecure.
Lucaasss 8350k obviously hahahah
Nothing special. I'm just saying that locked cpus aren't that bad. The ghz is not what makes the cpu fast. It's multiple factors. People just blindly look at the 'K' and believe that the cpu is any good.
Short: What bottlenecks depends entirely on what Software runs, and on what settings.
You can have a HARD Cpu-Bottleneck, or a HARD GPU Bottleneck, using the same hardware or the same Software. Only difference: Different Graphic settings.
This Hardware in CS:GO (720p-1080p + Low/Medium settings) would have a CPU Bottleneck.
This Hardware in Witcher 3 5k Ultra settings: GPU Bottleneck, and CPU would be bored af.
GTA 5 1080p Maxed out settings? Every GPU that exists right now, won't be able to deliver playable fps at all times.
Just a few Graphic Settings in a certain Software can shift the "active Bottleneck" from one extreme to the other.
When I saw the title I thought this was going to be just a quick 3-4 minute video skimming thorough some benchmark numbers and reaching a conclusion about bottlenecks.
Boy was I wrong
well the benchmarking starts at 13:25 and conclusion at 17:30 so yeah. that's 4 minute segment of 20 minute. I miss old youtube with direct to the point videos.
My Build
i5 7500
Gtx 1060
8Gb Ram
2 tb Hard Drive
*Upgrades*
8 more Gb of ram
SSD
32gb Optane
:D
Pvpluver why ssd AND optane?
Speeds up the HHD And its Pretty Cheap :P I have a 2 tb in use and another 2 ready to go in from scrap builds
Great for 1080p high, but as games get bigger I would get a another 2tb hard drive
But you can also cache the hdd with anouther ssd, and the cache would be much bigger.
Optane memory paired with a 7200rpm hard drive could be faster than some SSDs
Just pay 60 dollars more and get the Ryzen 1800x LMAO
Ashley Johansson LMAOO LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Plus 100 more for some ddr4 ram
+Hi have a nice day Both Ryzen and coffeelake are exclusively DDR4...fail
Ashley Johansson
wait for real dang have not read about those new Intel chips then I see I have to catch up then
Hi have a nice day yes. DDR4 has been the standard since like Intel's 6th gen skylake processors (dont know what that would have been for AMD)
I have a i5 6600k and i7 6700k, both overclock and paired with a gtx 1080 ti. Gaming at 1440p and 2160p, performance is pretty much the same.
That was such a nice pc build section. It was really quite satisfying to watch everything put into the place so smoothly. That was great.
i7 or go home. The only time you should be using an i5 is if it was given to you. Buying locked chips is dumb. Save more money. Buy the better CPU. That CPU will last longer. My 5820k is nearly 4 years old. I spent 320 bucks on it and it is still working perfectly with my gtx 1080. While the X99 platform isnt flawless, it still has the features everyone wants. When and if you build a pc, NEVER skimp on your platform. You will be stuck with it for years. Everything else can be upgraded.
Please dont think that I'm unhappy with the i5 processors. I have a theater pc that I bought from my employer for 50 bucks. It has an i5 4570 in it. I paired it with a gtx 960 and it is great for playing minecraft and other easy titles. It makes no sense buying an i5 new when you can pick them up secondhand for cheap.
Me too skipped 6600k and got 6700k instead and its still rocks with a 1080ti.
LOL and no.
depends on what are pc purposes and the resolution you are playing also budget,
if you are doing it for gaming only
UWQHD+4K doesn't need that high CPU Power because it will bottleneck the GPU. I built my rig 6 months ago with b360, 8400, aircooler and 1080ti. It is far cheaper than buying 8700k, an AIO, and 1070 ti/1080. I did the math, and guess what will power your FPS better? 1080 ti will do more.
With b360+8400 i can relocate the budget to 1080 ti and other thing. it does wonder this $200 CPU can do.
Gloat much? You do realise that not all i5's are locked? In my main rig I've still got my 4770k and 970, my CPU is slacking at 1440p. In my second rig is a 4690k, previously g3258. That i5 isn't struggling with games it's GPU bottlenecked with my old 660. So no, as long as you get a 'good' i5 that isn't locked with a good cooler and overclock it it's fine for most people.
Pommy192 there is a huge difference between "not struggling" and fluid gaming experience. To get 1440p at 144 hz, you will need more than 4 cores and 4 threads
Those Phanteks Halo frames are awesome. Really cheap way to make your old fans look great
@Science Studio-
I know you read the comments sometime and make videos. This is something I have been researching a lot but havent really found a solid answer. CPU thermals when overclocking. In large part because of your vids I decided to get an 15 6600k and overclock it. I have it up to 4.7 with 1.37 on the Vcore. I am using a Hyper 212 evo cooler on it in a pretty well ventilated case. Its stable after an overnight stress test on Aida 64. My thermals on Aida are average 66 to 67 core temp in each of the 4 cores, although one core consistently temps higher by about 6 degrees. May temp on that one care is 75 under stress testing although I have seen spkes near 80 while playing Far Cry 5 on ultra. I have never seen temps break 80 nor have I seen it thermally throttle. I have freinds who freak out over temps above 60c and are urging me to buy a AIO cooler, but I got the i5 to save some money and get some OC out of it. Dont really want to buy an AIO, you know. I read a Tom's Hardware explanation that basically said 86c is the max temp you dont want to reach. At 90 I understand the CPU thermally throttles, correct? So how am I looking?
totally reasonable :)
your friends are paranoid gibbons ;D
Have Lisa build more from now on, bro. Kyle and Jay make excellent build montages, but Idk if it was the editing, the cuts, the music, the sexy hands, the white hardware, the rgb, but that was the best build montage I've ever seen. Being behind the cam gives you more creative control with the shots. (sorry, film school dropout here)
You make tight ass videos that creepily involve just about every self debate that I am having while picking out pc parts for my new rig.
Do you think that sn i5 8600k overclocked to 4.5ghz would bottleneck or be not suitable for a 1080ti
You need to put this to the extreme: i5 6400 and 1080Ti but only tested in 4k. I was wondering how low you can go on the processor side, before you loose serious performance.
Bought last week the 8400 with a great asus tuf b360 mb and 16gb of ram and a m.2 Samsung Evo 970. Under 400€ this combo... now waiting for the 11th gen gtx cards... 1170 or 1080ti are the options, playing in 4K, 60hz there won’t be any bottleneck.
Honestly, 99% of the comment section should be fine with this CPU. Only benchmark geeks and people who want a video rendered in 20 minutes rather than 25 should really care about an i7 or Ryzen 7. This is coming from a developer with an i7 8700. The difference I get in productivity is I save about 5 minutes during my day. Which those minutes I would make a coffee if I had the 8400. It's POINTLESS
The same way you can pair a 1060 with a 3570K.
There will be limitations but most stuff will run fine.
(It'can be an issue in games that won't utilize the cores properly. As in badly multithreading stuff)
For a future upgrade I'm a but troubled. The best option for me currently in terms of use would most likely the 8600K, but with the pricing and Intels consumer decisions it's a hard choice.
I wanted a sweet rig from the start and paired a i8700K5ghz with a STRIX GTX 1080 ti, white captain deep cool and asus 370 a prime in white and love it mate.
PS I am happy you have found a lady who is as interested in computers as you are and please remember "those who play together stay together"
God bless you both:)
I really really like the black outside and white inside combo.
z370 boards do allow the 8400 to turbo much higher. On my tuf z370 gaming plus the i5 turbos all the way up to 4.2ghz at stock settings with the stock cooler. I've seen similar results by various creators, and the B boards do seem to limit it to around 3.9.
Pretty much the best budget CPU you can get for high-end GPUs if you're planning on simply gaming.
I know you can and its not a terrible idea , but why not go with ryzen 5 1600 or 2600 that has more threads and price similarly to the i5 8400 ? i5 8400 all core turbo is 3.8 ghz , zen core with all core oc to 4ghz won't be that far off in terms of single core IPC and has way better multicore performance .
What happened to the video quality why is it better ?? Did u change the camera .. or is it the lens???
I didn’t have a need for intense multitasking. Anything past this has severe diminishing returns for gaming so in my eyes this a nice cost efficient option.
Hey Greg, have you seen UFD Techs' recent video on the 8400/R5'S? They come to the conclusion that when paired with a 1060, the 8400 runs significantly slower than the 1600, 2600 and even the 2400g (with the 1060). Have you paired the 8400 with a 1060, or any other mid to lower-end gpu?
Watching now. I have the cpu/1080ti. I only game on this rig so until I see problems no upgrades will be needed.
Z370 Asus Rog Gaming H
I5 8400
Cryorig H7
16G Corsair Vegence Pro Rgb 3000mhz
Evga 750w G3
Xpg Nvme 250 gig boot drive
WD Black Nvme 500 gig
Samsung Evo Pro 650 500 gig
Evga 1080ti Sc2
Cablemod Carbon/Red extensions
Cougar Panzer Evo case
9 Corsair LL fans
Still rockin a 4790k gonna upgrade in 2-3 yrs to a i7 again most likely. Its hard to save money when ur in college and paying for a phone service/lease and car maintenance.
Doing an i5 8400 build cant go with ryzen 2 because they do not have micro atx boards for x470. Yes i know x370 has micro but i read those had terrible memory support and are unlikely to be supported with future updates as x470 is out.
Greg, are you using adaptive power profile? Which is what I suspect seeing gpu utilization not being 99% all the time. Wonder if it’ll be a bit different if you switch to prefer maximum performance. Though I was surprised to find out it didn’t make much difference on my 6700k and gtx 1080 rig.
Am thinking of 8400 purely for my HTPC running either Plex or madVR on 10bif HEVC 4K rips. My current HTPC rig with Athlon II X3 can play 720p 10 bit on PotPlayer but struggles with 1080p. Chuck in a 1050Ti and we're good to go.
My 8700K @ 4.5 also loads up 100% during RotTR benchmark and that's awesome, because engine uses all the possible resources to minimize the loads. Wish Fallout 4 used the same technique, cuz those 40-60 seconds loads are just atrocious.
Nice video btw, but people who can afford a 1080TI can probably afford an i7 or ryzen 7, so that's strange combination + those people can afford a 144hz monitor and with such CPU they will occur lots of FPS drops. Otherwise even a 1070 will grant ~60 FPS at 1440p at ultra settings, which fits i5 8400 better for 60hz monitors
6700k 4.6ghz + titan XP here
max CPU usage during anything is around 50%, so i could SLI without a single problem or go another X years before i need to add 200mhz more XD
I had an 8600k with my 1080ti SLI. Playing GTA. My cpu ran 100% and my computer got hot from it.. upgraded to a i7 7700k. It was like night and day.
The AIO tubes looks a bit taut.. maybe push fans to give some slack? I know it might be disassembled soon after anyway, but it would've looked a tad better imo
I’m planning on buying a i5 8400 for my very first PC, I’ve never owned a PC before and I think it’s a good beginner PC for me to learn on. Thank you for a informative video.
When I built my PC in 2016 I used an i5 6500 and a 1060 6gb. Then in March 2017 Nvidia dropped the 1080ti and I had to have it. So I got it to drive 4k gaming. At that resolution the pairing is just fine. Works great in 1440p too. Looking forward to intels 9000 series to upgrade finally