I will start by saying I cut my teeth on 30/06 for hunting and .308 for military use, so I have extensive experience with both. I took 6.5 Creedmoor with a heavy grain of salt and skepticism until I finally bought one for whitetail hunting. Up until this point I had only used the 30/06 to hunt whitetail and 7mm Rem Mag in Colorado to elk hunt with, I really didn't understand the use or need for the smaller 6.5 at the time. I purchased a Rem 700 SPS ( garbage trigger and stock ) to start as a base rifle, first day I put over 60 rounds through it and was very impressed at its performance and comfortability to shoot for extended round count, It didn't beat me up. I could easily and comfortably hit targets ranging from 75-400 yards ( about the limit of my realistic hunting range ) in field positions..not from a bench or with the aid of ridiculous pillows. My confidence began to grow and since then I have put close to 1000 rounds on my hunting rig and taken several large whitetail deer with ease. I truly believe that 6.5 Creed, when kept within its limitations ( deer-sized game ) at reasonable ranges it's extremely hard to beat especially with the availability of the ammo ( well maybe not at the current time ), light recoil, flat trajectory, bullet selection, SD, and short action provide a light handy rifle with medium-range capable killing power. I think where the " wheels fall off " people try and take it out of what it is designed to do...... it's not an Elk cartridge, sure it will work in a pinch but it's not ideal. Overall for whitetail, mule deer, coyotes, antelope sized game it is truly a great overall package.
I to have always used .30 cal. Primary 300wm or 30.06. I bought a 6.5 cm I think in 2015. I reluctantly took it on a hunting trip and shot a deer with it and I was absolutely amazed and continued to be amazed by it since
A 143gr ELDX starting out at 2700 (not maxed) in a 6.5 CM will have 1500lbs of energy to 450yds. 2000fps to 600yds. Probably one of the most popular hunting cartridge setups. Basically the Precision Hunter load if you're buying off the shelf.
The BC is good but it does not reliably stay together which is a HUGE deal on thicker skinned game like Elk, Moose, and Bear. Has it been done? Sure. But it’s not been done more times than it’s been successful. I have 2 friends that both didn’t retrieve their cow elk with boiler room shots in the 6.5 PRC at 280 and 320 yard shots. We assume the ELDX basically blew apart on impact which left no real blood trail. They have since switched to Terminal ascent and are very happy with last seasons results 👍🏻
This is the best type of information on youtube, for shooters that have not taken the time to learn or do not have the experience to know these things! I am a seasoned hand loader/ lead slinger but I am very much looking forward to seeing lots of bullet testing!! Would love to see this with the 243 win.! Bad bullet selection has caused poor hits on a lot of game. Your testing could help lots of people!! Thanks, Brian
Man is that ever true. Most of the time when you hear about game lost with a 243 and you ask about bullet construction you get a "huh?" in return...Yup someone shot a game animal with a varmint bullet, I am sure. Whatever was cheapest in the store. Load that thing with a 95 grain ballistic tip or a partition of similar weight (or a Barnes etc) you have yourself a rifle.
Exactly right! Bullet construction, is the #1 attribute, of a good hunting gun. My dad shot a few deer with 243 100gr corelokts, and the deer never left a blood trial. They died, just had to find them by tracks! He switched to a nosler partition, and started getting pass through shots, and blood trails. On the same note, 25yrs ago, a friend shot a deer with 7mm mag 140gr ballistic tips, shot was in the shoulder, but bled very little, tracked about a mile till blood finally stopped! I couldn't believe a 7mag couldn't bring him down, but another guy killed the deer that evening with a neck shot. My friends ballistic tip, had exploded about 1 1/2" into the shoulder, with no vitals damage. Lesson learned..the faster and or lighter the bullet, the tougher it needs to be constructed. My rule of thumb is, 2400-3000 fps/ use a lighter built ,ballistic, or accutip, or SST. Above 3000fps, use a bonded or partition, or thicker jacket bullet. Sorry for the long reply, I'm a gun nerd. Have a great day
You guys go further in depth than anyone I have found so far online real shooters appreciate good data and people that are willing to do what it takes to get it
Where did you get the number for the energy required to take down elk or deer? I'm not doubting it, but I also know of people who have killed deer with .357 Mag at close range. That is only about 700 ft-lbs versus the 1000 ft-lbs you recommend. Why do you think the extra 40% energy is necessary?
I think this series is gonna be awesome, Very informative with good detail. Id like to see the .308, 30-06, 338, and 270 in the near future videos. Keep up the great work. The backfire site is also set up well with great selling points!
this video has to be in the top 5 videos you have produced! Really enjoyable to watch, great content and the pleasure you got from the experience wrapped it all up.
Great video, I loved hearing about this cartridge. I didn't buy my hunting rifle, it was passed down to me. Grandpa killed a lot of deer with his rifle, chambered in .30-06.
I loved your video, it was awesome. I couldn't believe all of the data that you guys had collected. I loved that you put in data about long range hunting. Just because the gun can shoot that far doesn't mean you should be hunt that far. You guys were shot on. I would love to see this same content on a couple of other calibers, namely the 270, 7mm and the 7mm-08. I went to the link that you provided to see all of the data and hoped that I would see these additional cartridges. I hope you guys put out other calibers.
Best video on 6.5 CM, I am surprised Hornady has not tried to sue you. I have found some of their hunting ads on the 6.5 misleading. Thanks for a truthful evaluation. Great deer round... not an Elk or Moose round! Works for me, I hunt deer. I have subscribed!
Ditto. I’ve taken tons of meat with my 300WM. One thing they’re missing here is that elk hunting is in bear country. I’ve taken several griz with my 300WM while moose hunting. It kind of begs the question, is the 6.5CM actually a do all? Noooooo.....
@@Propelled I don't need 6.5cm to be a bullet to hunt Grizzlies with (already have a 300 PRC and 375 Cheytac) I need it whip the shit out of 308 to the extent that it makes 308 into an obsolete old glue horse and it does that very very well.
Backfire has by far become my favorite go to "all things firearm" channel. The production value, entertainment, variety of topics and real world useful knowledge is all there. Thanks for all the hard work and expense put into this channel. Keep doing it and we all will keep watching it. Great work here.
I have just started considering th 6.5 as a viable hunting option. It was initially designed as a range gun for punching paper. In the last few years they have started to to come out with some solid choices for hunting ammo making it a better option now then it originally was
I use it for deer and its honestly great it's almost always drops them unless I mess up the shot I've never gotten to hunt elk and honestly I probably wouldn't with the 6.5 it's just to small
I just finished binge watching your channel. Interesting info. While I'd not consider 6.5 for elk, my understanding was that due to BC it actually has more retained energy than 308 beyond 500 yrds. Personally for elk I would want 7mm Mag or 300 win mag. Here in the the Southeast 6.5 CM or 308 works well for most circumstances.
Nice commentary on long range shooting versus hunting. I personally don't shoot at anything until it is under 350 yards and typically love to get closer. It is a challenge getting closer to some of these animals.
I love shooting 6.5. Mild yet capable for what I hunt. I don’t take a shot past 300 yards and line of sight where I hunt is rarely over 100-150 yards. Great caliber. I have a Tikka Superlight in 6.5 that weighs less than 7 lbs. it is a joy to carry.
Thanks guys! Really appreciate the lethal maximum distance on game based on energy. Also knowing you’re starting a caliber comparison website is long overdue. You are recognizing that caliber comparison site like Chuck Hawks’s site is getting old and lack graphs, charts or videos.
Backfire please add an important factor for Hunters looking for; MPBR. I’ll suggest a common practice of 6” but you may consider 8” also for larger game and/or vital size strike zone. I would also suggest you consider a standard layout that could be printed via screenshot for reference in the field. Thanks. 🙏
i have both a 308 and 6.5 cm. when i first shot my 308, the recoil and sonic boom, scared me straight out, as by the time i was only use to 12 gauge and 22lr. the 6.5 on the other hand was easy to handle. and i take both to the range and out hunting. and love both rifles.
I enjoyed the video as I do with most of them. People become so emotionally attached to certain calibers it evolves to a derangement syndrome. There is so little difference among more than a few calibers it becomes an emotional choice, me included. You present objective facts that are great. I wish we could get some feedback from guides and outfitters. Thanks again!
Picked up a Sako A7 in 6.5 creedmoor yesterday as my first hunting gun as a new adult hunter. Excited to put some shots down range to see how this groups. Borrowed a Remington 700 in .308 winchester this season from a friend. Performed OK with it, but excited to use something for 200yd shots on white tail that has less recoil.
I understand that there are a *lot* of variables with regard to your numbers; but I've noticed quite a bit of variation between different numbers. A couple examples - here, you say 6.5CM has around 2,100 rds of barrels life, while your cartridge profile says around 2,400; & I've noticed your recoil ratings on 7mag & 280 AI are a little different between 2 different videos. Not hating at all. Again, I know there are many variables, here. Just thought I'd say something. I absolutely love how much you deep-dive into the ballistics of all these different cartridges. Keep the videos coming! God Bless
I love my 28 Nosler. A big part of felt recoil is the design and setup. I have to be careful taking it to the range because hitting the 1000yd target is so easy and satisfying with it. I can easily run throu 100 rounds. 10 range days and I'm rebarreling. It is immensely effective on game, and my particular rifle recoils less than any 30-06 I've shot. 175 grain bullets. I also have 6,5 Creedmoor and .308. I use the 6.5 for confidence. I use the .308 to work on skills.
Just got a 28 nosler. So you usually get about 1000 rounds before you rebarrel? How much do the groups open up before you call it for the barrel and do you do like 3-5 shots before letting the barrel cool or after every round? Havent been able to find anyone who has burned out a barrel yet so im pretty curious.
@@Nick-sx6jm Personally I try to go easy on it. I will run 1 mag/5 rounds, then switch off to another firearm while it cools. I have a carbon wrapped barrel on mine, so it can be very difficult to judge barrel heat... no perceptible mirage. Barrel erosion happens at a different rate for every barrel, but can be increased by heat and pressure. A "burnt out" barrel is also subjective to a person. It involves the expected/needed accuracy for the intended use. I have approximately 400 rounds through mine and I can still place 5 rounds under 1.5" at 300 yards. For a hunting rifle that is exceptional accuracy. I live in west Texas, 300 yards is often a close shot. I would never consider 28 Nosler a competition cartridge. It is capable of being very accurate, but you would be re barreling every 3-4 weeks.
Took two elk this year with the 6.5 cm. One @ 203yrds the other, taken by my daughter @ 260 yrds. Yes, it has its limits but within those limits it is exceptional.
Great content. The website is great. Just a quick check: in your dashboard for muzzle velocity... the ‘what’s this? tab’ has the same content for the recoil section... may just want to correct that.
its not that its impossible its that its a bad choice of a caliber for extended ranges. yes it'll kill if placed correctly but the farther it is the more time that animal has to rake a step, turn its body, change something you didn't anticipate. and ultimately hit it in a not so perfect spot. leading to either an extended blood trail or worse yet not finding it and it dying later on never to be claimed and gone to waste. its this scenario anyone with true ballistic knowledge would choose a higher energy round . bragging about distance shots with a small round is literally putting a flag on your back saying i risk wasting animals because i willingly choose inadequate rounds .
@@guadianam Anyone with ballistics knowledge knows you can load and use a 6.5 to deliver sufficient energy and expansion for an elk at 453 yards all day long. If you're using the all-copper bullets they tested in the gel, forget about it. I don't care how you advertise that garbage, if you don't hit the shoulder bone or a rib directly, you're just poking a hole through the animal (large or small caliber, short or long range). Warning: avoid all-copper bullets.
I am excited about deer season! I would love to see a video on small bags and belts to carry a little bit of gear from car to stand and if anyone knows of a good bag/belt would love to hear from y'all to thanks!
I don’t understand maybe y’all can help. I bought the 6.5 creedmoor to hunt with and I have had plenty of 308 rifles, I normally hunt with a 45-70. But anyways, people say “the 6.5 is no good for hunting” but praise the 7mm-08 when imo there is not much difference. I’m no fan boy just curious
I use my Ruger 10-22 as a trainer for skills ( if your antisipation of recoil threshold is low), I use my 7mm Rem Mag for accuracy. 6.5 creedmoor is a very capable chambering, but I just feel like the 7mm Rem Mag is ALOT more capable with a wide variety of projectiles that doesn't break the bank, and isn't quite the barrel burner the 28 Nosler is.
I just recently bought a Tikka T3X Lite in 6.5 Creedmoor for my big game hunting and my bullet of choice is factory Hornady ELD-X 143 gr...6.5 Creedmoor can kill anything in North America within 300 yards, period. I can’t wait for next year to start harvesting my own meat 🥩...
After living & hunting in Alaska for 37 years, and shooting around 60 big game animals with many different calibers, the 30-06 with the right bullet did everything I wanted, so that what I stuck with...
30-06 is the proven big game cartridge spanning decades by which all cartridges are judged. The 6.5 and 6mm CM is really a competition round for NRL and PRS gun golf, and not really designed for terminal ballistics.
@@BurnDuration The ballistics are identical (or surpass) old classics that have been dumping big game for a very long time, like 6.5x55 or 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenaur. That last one has quite a history in Africa. I don't know how you can get the same or better numbers, with much better bullet technology today, and not be able to count on terminal ballistics.
Joel Odjick, while I agree the 6.5 CM and 6mm CM cartridges have superior external ballistics than the old 30-06, those same modern hunting bullets for rapid expansion for the 6.5 and 6mm can also be had in the .308 diameter as well. However, the PRIMARY difference is not bullet construction offerings between the two cartridges, but rather in case capacity. 6.5 and 6mm CM at ~43 grains will never have the capability to hold 57 grains of powder like 7.62x63, even if a reloaded were to hotrod the cartridge beyond SAAMI pressures. Granted, it is possible to throat the chamber of a 6.5/6mm CM longer, and seat bullets at longer COAL, at compressed powder chargers, however the .308 win parent case still will not have enough volume to approach the old 30-06. Indeed, the 30-06 is a very inefficient cartridge for it’s powder charge compared to modern cartridges (like 6mm ARC for example), it still is a better choice for knocking down big North America game like elk at short distances. I’m actually in the process of building a PRS rig in 6mm CM, for local matches, and I think it is important to use the correct tool for the job. The modern CM chamberings were specifically developed for competition purposes, in which using a 30-06 would be an absolutely terrible choice.
No argument to any of that, Burn! Was just saying the 6.5mm bullet has earned a solid reputation on big game over the last century plus, and regardless of the purpose of the Creedmoor, that is what it throws .
@@BurnDuration I shot a B&C caribou at a laser measured 480 yards with a 30-06 180 grain fail safe bullet. If I can't get closer than 500 yards what kind of hunter would I be...I shot 2 mountain goats at less than 25 yards. If Bow hunters can get as close as they do, we rifle hunters should be able to get within several hundred yards....
Very good discussion guys! I am glad you bring up the maximum distances for 6.5 CM and ethical hunting. The only thing I would disagree on is the "inherently accurate." YES it is! BUT not for the reason you give. IT is due to the significantly lower freebore around the bullet in the chamber, a much more optimized case fill and yes, better, high BC bullets. =)
That and the fact that there aren't 200+ reamer designs for it causing some ammo to shoot great and others to shoot like crap. Nice to have every chamber pretty close to the original spec.
@@jdlr3777 I was wondering why a $200 6.5 CM seems to shoot just as well as a $1,200 6.5 CM. There are tons of videos on "look at my $200 0.7MOA rifle I just bought!"
@@keithjacobson9163 Keep in mind brother that a proper chamber is only one piece of the puzzle. To complete the puzzle in the pursuit of ultimate accuracy and precision, you'll need a good chamber/throat design, a straight barrel with correct hardening and clean rifling, a concentric action, a stiff stock/chassis, and concentric ammo. Something to remember is the greatest accuracy enhancement device in the last century is the keyboard. Lots of shooter claim .5moa or better. Very few can produce that over and over. Many rifles will occasionally produce a .25moa group, few will do it consistently. Better to ask the guy bragging about it to produce a target with 5 5-shot groups on it. Either take the worst group or take the average size for a real world idea of what the rifle will do. Very rarely will a rifle under 2k shoot that well outside of a rest consistently.
Out of all the more modern calibers, the 6.5 creed is what i eould actually buy, not because its the best of the modern loadings but because its damn good and i can find it everywhere for a much better price than others and not scared of it going away anymore after 15 years of success.
Where the gunshot catches the supersonic 'crack' is the 'Transonic' zone, the point where the bullet transitions from being supersonic to subsonic. The muzzle blast carries on until it dissipates.
That’s why I went with 6.5 Grendel for deer iv hunting and long range target shooting, 2x the barrel life at least. The other thing I like is that I made mine in an ar platform so barrel changes are so so easy. If I want to shoot an elk at long I wouldn’t shoot 6.5 creedmoor, don’t get me wrong creedmoor is a fantastic round but it isn’t perfect.
OK this is the first time I’ve heard the term “Barrel Burnout.” You want to do a video on this? Maybe cut a burnt out barrel in have and give us a visual.
When a barrel burns out, it mostly won't be visible. The term burn out, means that the barrel has lost accuracy. Example, a barrel that shot 3/8" groups consistently, starts shooting 1" or even worse. Barrel burn out in extreme accurate rifles may only show 1/4" loss in accuracy to be considered burned out. Bullet speed, chamber pressure, and rate of twist, all contribute to burn out. 220 swift, and 243 win are considered real "barrel burner" cartridges. Even "burnt out" barrels may still be accurate enough to be used for hunting, just doesn't have the dime size groups that it once had. Hope this helps. And I'm not an expert on the matter, just a gun nut! Have a great day
@@Gunrunner223 In addition, when a barrel starts to get used up, it needs more cleaning more often.. 10 shots and clean? Etc. But it's all relative to what accuracy you expect. 2" is still well enough for deer/elk at 100-150 yards, so some people will probably never have a rifle not usable for their hunting. we had a 308 with 20 000 rounds through it, it still performed 0.5" 5 shot groups (hunting stock, so it has never been much better). But i had to be cleaned inbetween groups, or it opened up after 5-6 shots. But that rifle would be okay for many years hunting but for ELR etc where you spend 100+ rounds a match without cleaning it would not work.
@@johnwaw6363 it's not really a metal issue, it's just a wear issue. Any barrel in any gun will wear out slowly over time. Even though bullets are softer than the barrel, they do still apply enough friction to the surface to cause very slight wear. Higher velocity rounds apply much more friction to critical areas, with much more pressure behind them. Over time that will erode away the rifling and the throat of the barrel. In your typical semi-auto combat rifle you won't see this until you hit many many thousands of rounds, but it will happen. But with precision rifles, small amounts of wear can make big differences in grouping, especially at extended ranges, so the barrels are considered "worn out" after a much lower round count. For extreme examples of wear, look up barrel inspection videos on high round count machine gun barrels
250 yards is pretty damn far. I would try to get even closer than that. Or i might just not be a long range type of guy but I do own a 6.5 CM and I love it.
Love your guys channel really good stuff. would love to see a gun shoot off in 350 legend between Ruger , Savage , Win xpr & CVA cascade this would be great for us straight wall only states IT would help us ALOT to decide on a best gun for the money, But keep up the great work guys
Checked out Backfire.TV - VERY nice and well done on both this video and that site! I can't agree enough about long range hunting. Keep it close, make the kill 100% of the time and maintain a respectable reputation for Hunting. Don't be a wahoo.
Didnt you know, metric is better? Spend your money, the gun manufacturers need you!😉🤣 I like to think of most of these guys as the male version of women who say "that dress is SO last year!" Trued and true, im with you.
U.S. Special Operations Command as of 2019 is converting their SASS to 6.5 Creedmoor. Army testing showed that 6.5C doubled hit probability at 1000 yds vs 7.62 NATO. And yielded a 33% increase in effective range. No mention of the 6.5x55 in this video. A cartridge with near identical performance to Creedmoor and the best sniper rifle of WWII according to gun Jesus. and the only Mauser cartridge that was once so popular major U.S. gun manufacturers offered new rifles chambered for it.
Very good vid!!! Thanks for being honest!! So many say the 65CM is the do all round for every situation. I really liked your terminal test. I shoot DPMS G2 hunter AR10 rifles in 308. Was thinking about trying a 6.5 CM barrel. I think the only real or worth wile advantage for the cost/money would be the recoil. Not that my 308's recoil that much but I like to be able to spot for myself. The 308 has just a little too much recoil to see my bullet impacts every time. IDK if its worth trying or not. Thanks for the great vid!!
Just a heads up, I swapped from a 308 to an 6.5c in an ar10 platform and was not aware of firing pin to primer issues. To shorten it up a bit the standard bolt firing pin hole is to large for CM’s for some reason which causes extreme primer flow, pierced primers, and sometimes even primers blown out of the pocket. This happened to me even with light factory loads. You can fix it by purchasing a $250-300 JP bolt but....
@@nt_wicked_bunch2717 thanks for the heads up. The G2 DPMS rifles I run have a very large firing pin hole so JP it will be if they even make a G2 bolt. I may have to start from scratch with a gen 1 platform. Thanks for saving me a ton of headache!!! Much appreciated!!!
I recently found and started watching your videos and have enjoyed all. I d like to add my opinion and experience with the 6.5 Creed. I have two target rifles both chambered in this caliber. I purchased a Ruger Precision and later had a custom rifle built. Seems this caliber has a love / hate reputation. I agree it has some good qualities but has been given others that not only aren't feasible or ethical with the Creedmoor they shouldn't be practiced with any caliber. I had heard of but didn't know what BC was or how it applied to bullets and shooting. The 6.5 Creedmoor as most know was created for target shooters as a inherently accurate cartridge ( it is) and it is comparatively flat shooting if compared at 1000 yds. or more just as it was designed to do. The reason I feel this round got the negative image with some it has is the difference between target shooting and hunting using it. At reasonable and ethical hunting distances, I consider 400 yds.max most traditional deer calibers 270 , 7 mag even 308 do shoot flatter and for hunting only and more suited. Recoil has been another good issue and I know some handle better than others but hunters don't as a rule fire nearly as often nor number of rounds compared with target shooters, a positive factor firing typical numbers and allowing bullet impacts easier spotted. Ballistic Coefficient , BC is important only to target shooters at ranges farther than 600 or so yards and this is where the Creedmoor shines and also I believe where it got the reputation its capable of taking game at extreme range. There is so much involved trying to put a hole in paper at long range even shooting with rests front and rear where conditions are known , shoots aren't hurried and I haven't seen a target move at all or unexpected. Lastly I believe it's uninformed or irresponsible use that's given the 6.5 Creedmoor it's larger than life and unappreciated, even hated reputation. Thanks and I notice some sp. mistakes and its not my poor grammar but typing skills or lack of so bear with em please. Great hunting or shooting and do so wisely and safely. Also I apologize for length but remembered something important and that's the difference in bullet selection. Target rounds high BC bullets are thin fully jacketed that cut air and wind well but aren't designed nor should be used hunting large game. Pick well designed expanding ones for hunting.
I have well over 3k rounds out of my SASS rifle in 6.5cm and still holds sub MOA, so I find some of the things being said in this video to be not correct.
Like most rifles, there are a lot of variables in barrel life. One thing that makes a huge difference is barrel temp. I have somewhere upwards of 2000 rounds through my 6.5cm and it too still shoots better than the guy behind the trigger, but I treat my barrel like a baby bottle. I set my wrist on the barrel after each shot and if it’s uncomfortably warm the rifle is allowed to cool before more shooting. I have buddies that shoot F-class that were seeing throat erosion after as few as 1000 shots and unacceptable accuracy between 1500 and 1700 shots. The general consensus among the group is that 1) they have to shoot even when the barrel is fairly hot, especially in summer matches. 2) the unburnt powder leaves the cartridge at just enough of an angle to sort of sandblast the throat slightly before it continues down the barrel and burns up. Once they switched to the 6.5 PRC most of them were getting much longer barrel life even though it’s a faster cartridge. The talk got a lot more technical than that and pretty much went over my head so I hope I got that last part right.
Glad you talked about difference between long range shooting and long range hunting.
Same here, got sick of trying to explain that to people.
They don't know either brother.
@@223dmr7 they have a better grasp than most
I am a hunting newbie would a 308 fit for that ?
@@SHOTRED555 ya. Or 270.
I will start by saying I cut my teeth on 30/06 for hunting and .308 for military use, so I have extensive experience with both. I took 6.5 Creedmoor with a heavy grain of salt and skepticism until I finally bought one for whitetail hunting. Up until this point I had only used the 30/06 to hunt whitetail and 7mm Rem Mag in Colorado to elk hunt with, I really didn't understand the use or need for the smaller 6.5 at the time. I purchased a Rem 700 SPS ( garbage trigger and stock ) to start as a base rifle, first day I put over 60 rounds through it and was very impressed at its performance and comfortability to shoot for extended round count, It didn't beat me up. I could easily and comfortably hit targets ranging from 75-400 yards ( about the limit of my realistic hunting range ) in field positions..not from a bench or with the aid of ridiculous pillows. My confidence began to grow and since then I have put close to 1000 rounds on my hunting rig and taken several large whitetail deer with ease. I truly believe that 6.5 Creed, when kept within its limitations ( deer-sized game ) at reasonable ranges it's extremely hard to beat especially with the availability of the ammo ( well maybe not at the current time ), light recoil, flat trajectory, bullet selection, SD, and short action provide a light handy rifle with medium-range capable killing power. I think where the " wheels fall off " people try and take it out of what it is designed to do...... it's not an Elk cartridge, sure it will work in a pinch but it's not ideal. Overall for whitetail, mule deer, coyotes, antelope sized game it is truly a great overall package.
Exactly why I chose it for my first hunting rifle.
I to have always used .30 cal. Primary 300wm or 30.06. I bought a 6.5 cm I think in 2015. I reluctantly took it on a hunting trip and shot a deer with it and I was absolutely amazed and continued to be amazed by it since
Very informative, thank you.
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I'm loving these caliber profiles. Can't wait for your page to have the .308!
A 143gr ELDX starting out at 2700 (not maxed) in a 6.5 CM will have 1500lbs of energy to 450yds. 2000fps to 600yds. Probably one of the most popular hunting cartridge setups. Basically the Precision Hunter load if you're buying off the shelf.
Dropped cow elk with 143gr eldx at 500yrds. Didnt hit bone so had pass through lung shot. Didnt go 10yrds.
@@nsaechao84nsdropped a Antelope at 840 yards hit bone and it was a big hole
The BC is good but it does not reliably stay together which is a HUGE deal on thicker skinned game like Elk, Moose, and Bear. Has it been done? Sure. But it’s not been done more times than it’s been successful. I have 2 friends that both didn’t retrieve their cow elk with boiler room shots in the 6.5 PRC at 280 and 320 yard shots. We assume the ELDX basically blew apart on impact which left no real blood trail.
They have since switched to Terminal ascent and are very happy with last seasons results 👍🏻
Something isn't right with your numbers. May want to recheck those ranges.
This is the best type of information on youtube, for shooters that have not taken the time to learn or do not have the experience to know these things! I am a seasoned hand loader/ lead slinger but I am very much looking forward to seeing lots of bullet testing!! Would love to see this with the 243 win.! Bad bullet selection has caused poor hits on a lot of game. Your testing could help lots of people!! Thanks, Brian
Man is that ever true. Most of the time when you hear about game lost with a 243 and you ask about bullet construction you get a "huh?" in return...Yup someone shot a game animal with a varmint bullet, I am sure. Whatever was cheapest in the store.
Load that thing with a 95 grain ballistic tip or a partition of similar weight (or a Barnes etc) you have yourself a rifle.
Exactly right! Bullet construction, is the #1 attribute, of a good hunting gun. My dad shot a few deer with 243 100gr corelokts, and the deer never left a blood trial. They died, just had to find them by tracks! He switched to a nosler partition, and started getting pass through shots, and blood trails. On the same note, 25yrs ago, a friend shot a deer with 7mm mag 140gr ballistic tips, shot was in the shoulder, but bled very little, tracked about a mile till blood finally stopped! I couldn't believe a 7mag couldn't bring him down, but another guy killed the deer that evening with a neck shot. My friends ballistic tip, had exploded about 1 1/2" into the shoulder, with no vitals damage. Lesson learned..the faster and or lighter the bullet, the tougher it needs to be constructed. My rule of thumb is, 2400-3000 fps/ use a lighter built ,ballistic, or accutip, or SST. Above 3000fps, use a bonded or partition, or thicker jacket bullet. Sorry for the long reply, I'm a gun nerd. Have a great day
You guys go further in depth than anyone I have found so far online real shooters appreciate good data and people that are willing to do what it takes to get it
Best gun channel there is to me. You can tell that y’all are truly doing what you love and are dang good at it.
I have been using 6.5 grendel for nearly a year. And am now considering the Creedmoor. Thanks for the information
Gawl dang. I just found your channel and haven't found a bad video yet. Keep them coming!
Grat video guys . I use 6.5 creed for deer hunting. Out to 450 I get it thanks . I hate to see people shooting elk with it at 900 don’t make sense
Where did you get the number for the energy required to take down elk or deer? I'm not doubting it, but I also know of people who have killed deer with .357 Mag at close range. That is only about 700 ft-lbs versus the 1000 ft-lbs you recommend. Why do you think the extra 40% energy is necessary?
@@AverageJoe4063 I’m in
@@AverageJoe4063 they pulled it out of their a$$!!
@@rosebarnes9625 Hornandy has a table, they mentioned it on another video.
Wasn't expecting much in the form of accurate information. Was pleasantly surprised with the conscience information given here. Subbed.
I think this series is gonna be awesome, Very informative with good detail. Id like to see the .308, 30-06, 338, and 270 in the near future videos. Keep up the great work. The backfire site is also set up well with great selling points!
this video has to be in the top 5 videos you have produced! Really enjoyable to watch, great content and the pleasure you got from the experience wrapped it all up.
Great video, I loved hearing about this cartridge. I didn't buy my hunting rifle, it was passed down to me. Grandpa killed a lot of deer with his rifle, chambered in .30-06.
I have trouble finding ammo for the 30-06
The 2 of you are having way to much fun! And you give out great information! Keep up the great work, and thank you.
I loved your video, it was awesome. I couldn't believe all of the data that you guys had collected. I loved that you put in data about long range hunting. Just because the gun can shoot that far doesn't mean you should be hunt that far. You guys were shot on. I would love to see this same content on a couple of other calibers, namely the 270, 7mm and the 7mm-08. I went to the link that you provided to see all of the data and hoped that I would see these additional cartridges. I hope you guys put out other calibers.
Best video on 6.5 CM, I am surprised Hornady has not tried to sue you. I have found some of their hunting ads on the 6.5 misleading. Thanks for a truthful evaluation. Great deer round... not an Elk or Moose round! Works for me, I hunt deer. I have subscribed!
I plan to get 6.5 creed for medium sized game and not sure what for elk and bigger. Maybee 300 win mag or 6.5 PRC.
Can’t wait to see some of the standard magnums. 7mm rem mag and 300 win mag are two of my personal favorites.
Ditto. I’ve taken tons of meat with my 300WM. One thing they’re missing here is that elk hunting is in bear country. I’ve taken several griz with my 300WM while moose hunting. It kind of begs the question, is the 6.5CM actually a do all? Noooooo.....
@@Propelled I don't need 6.5cm to be a bullet to hunt Grizzlies with (already have a 300 PRC and 375 Cheytac) I need it whip the shit out of 308 to the extent that it makes 308 into an obsolete old glue horse and it does that very very well.
That's the next rifle I'm getting in the next few weeks. 6.5 creedmoor is still fully stocked as said in the video. Thanks for the profile guys.
Great information, can't wait for more, especially 243 and 270.
Just ordered a Tikka superlite 6.5, going to take over for my 244 Ackley. Thank you for all the info and great videos
This round has become my favorite both for hunting (bolt) and for an AR10 style rifle.
How has the 6.5 cm worked for you in your AR-10 Rifles, reliability wise?
@@duckhunter4660 I've heard some have had some bullet feed issues, but I haven't noticed but a few, about that same as a 308, very occasional.
@@1969plato THANKS
Backfire has by far become my favorite go to "all things firearm" channel. The production value, entertainment, variety of topics and real world useful knowledge is all there. Thanks for all the hard work and expense put into this channel. Keep doing it and we all will keep watching it. Great work here.
We need more! Great series! So much great information and so concise and organized. Also great personalities. Keep up the great work!
Hoping a .308 profile is next. I like the layout of the profile webpages. Super informative and easy to digest!
I have just started considering th 6.5 as a viable hunting option. It was initially designed as a range gun for punching paper. In the last few years they have started to to come out with some solid choices for hunting ammo making it a better option now then it originally was
I use it for deer and its honestly great it's almost always drops them unless I mess up the shot I've never gotten to hunt elk and honestly I probably wouldn't with the 6.5 it's just to small
I was never really a fan of your channel until I saw this video. Great info and great delivery. Much respect!
I just finished binge watching your channel.
Interesting info. While I'd not consider 6.5 for elk, my understanding was that due to BC it actually has more retained energy than 308 beyond 500 yrds.
Personally for elk I would want 7mm Mag or 300 win mag.
Here in the the Southeast 6.5 CM or 308 works well for most circumstances.
I admire your enthusiasm in presenting your data and opinions. Well done.
Nice commentary on long range shooting versus hunting. I personally don't shoot at anything until it is under 350 yards and typically love to get closer. It is a challenge getting closer to some of these animals.
Keep up the good work guys! I can't wait for the other profiles!
I love shooting 6.5. Mild yet capable for what I hunt. I don’t take a shot past 300 yards and line of sight where I hunt is rarely over 100-150 yards. Great caliber. I have a Tikka Superlight in 6.5 that weighs less than 7 lbs. it is a joy to carry.
Would be interested to see this elk test with a 270
Never in my life have I seen a moose, but I saw a water buffalo hunt at 150 meters that remained in its tracks
Yeah, since 270 is much better for elk
@@cholepriccee2069 many people have used the .270 for elk and with proper bullets the .270 will absolutely put down any elk
This is cool and informative. I'm looking forward to this series.
Thanks guys! Really appreciate the lethal maximum distance on game based on energy.
Also knowing you’re starting a caliber comparison website is long overdue. You are recognizing that caliber comparison site like Chuck Hawks’s site is getting old and lack graphs, charts or videos.
You hit it on the head. I think we can create something cool. Let me know if you have feedback on this first profile page.
Backfire please add an important factor for Hunters looking for; MPBR.
I’ll suggest a common practice of 6” but you may consider 8” also for larger game and/or vital size strike zone.
I would also suggest you consider a standard layout that could be printed via screenshot for reference in the field.
Thanks. 🙏
Backfire Awesome vid and even “awesomer” website!! Dang. Well done. I’d love to see a 6.5 PRC profile. Thanks in advance.
i have both a 308 and 6.5 cm. when i first shot my 308, the recoil and sonic boom, scared me straight out, as by the time i was only use to 12 gauge and 22lr. the 6.5 on the other hand was easy to handle. and i take both to the range and out hunting. and love both rifles.
Very excited for the caliber comparisons
Do a comparison of straight-wall cartilages lethality/performance.
Awesome video. Been thinking about purchasing 6.5 creed more but might have to re think
Nice!! Can’t wait for the next caliber reviews!! Good job guys!!
I shoot a 7MM Rem Mag for everything I use the 150-175 grain wrights in reloads and I have no problems with the drop and FPS at long range
178 or 180 grain is the king for long range and it’s the best to use on Moose and Elk. 150 is perfect for deer.
I enjoyed the video as I do with most of them. People become so emotionally attached to certain calibers it evolves to a derangement syndrome. There is so little difference among more than a few calibers it becomes an emotional choice, me included. You present objective facts that are great. I wish we could get some feedback from guides and outfitters. Thanks again!
Picked up a Sako A7 in 6.5 creedmoor yesterday as my first hunting gun as a new adult hunter. Excited to put some shots down range to see how this groups. Borrowed a Remington 700 in .308 winchester this season from a friend. Performed OK with it, but excited to use something for 200yd shots on white tail that has less recoil.
Very informative, and answered some great questions that I had about the 6.5 CM. Kudos.
I understand that there are a *lot* of variables with regard to your numbers; but I've noticed quite a bit of variation between different numbers.
A couple examples - here, you say 6.5CM has around 2,100 rds of barrels life, while your cartridge profile says around 2,400; & I've noticed your recoil ratings on 7mag & 280 AI are a little different between 2 different videos.
Not hating at all. Again, I know there are many variables, here. Just thought I'd say something.
I absolutely love how much you deep-dive into the ballistics of all these different cartridges.
Keep the videos coming! God Bless
I love 6.5 creedmoor and hunt with one, but would you PLEASE do this with 7mm rem mag. Thanks for sharing, God bless
Best informational channel hands down! Thank you!
Recoil....... you nailed it and it will get almost every job done.
I've watched a few 6.5 creed vs 6.5 prc videos but I'd be interested to hear your comparisons and choice. Keep up the great work!
Please do one of a 300 Ultra Magnum, I have one but would really love to know more about it. This was an awesome and very informative video!
You guys get way nerd with numbers...bless you boys
Need to see the 300 PRC.
Your video information makes makes made day everyday I see one. Keep going strong.
I am starting to build a 6.5 right now because i always see the ammo on the shelf. And have already been buying 6.5 ammo.
I love my 28 Nosler. A big part of felt recoil is the design and setup. I have to be careful taking it to the range because hitting the 1000yd target is so easy and satisfying with it. I can easily run throu 100 rounds. 10 range days and I'm rebarreling. It is immensely effective on game, and my particular rifle recoils less than any 30-06 I've shot. 175 grain bullets.
I also have 6,5 Creedmoor and .308. I use the 6.5 for confidence. I use the .308 to work on skills.
Just got a 28 nosler. So you usually get about 1000 rounds before you rebarrel? How much do the groups open up before you call it for the barrel and do you do like 3-5 shots before letting the barrel cool or after every round? Havent been able to find anyone who has burned out a barrel yet so im pretty curious.
@@Nick-sx6jm Personally I try to go easy on it. I will run 1 mag/5 rounds, then switch off to another firearm while it cools. I have a carbon wrapped barrel on mine, so it can be very difficult to judge barrel heat... no perceptible mirage. Barrel erosion happens at a different rate for every barrel, but can be increased by heat and pressure. A "burnt out" barrel is also subjective to a person. It involves the expected/needed accuracy for the intended use. I have approximately 400 rounds through mine and I can still place 5 rounds under 1.5" at 300 yards. For a hunting rifle that is exceptional accuracy. I live in west Texas, 300 yards is often a close shot. I would never consider 28 Nosler a competition cartridge. It is capable of being very accurate, but you would be re barreling every 3-4 weeks.
Took two elk this year with the 6.5 cm. One @ 203yrds the other, taken by my daughter @ 260 yrds. Yes, it has its limits but within those limits it is exceptional.
Great content. The website is great. Just a quick check: in your dashboard for muzzle velocity... the ‘what’s this? tab’ has the same content for the recoil section... may just want to correct that.
My friend just killed a 387 inch elk on public land with a 6.5 Creedmoor at 453 yards. Hornady ammo
@Michael Neely I'm dead serious.
its not that its impossible its that its a bad choice of a caliber for extended ranges. yes it'll kill if placed correctly but the farther it is the more time that animal has to rake a step, turn its body, change something you didn't anticipate. and ultimately hit it in a not so perfect spot. leading to either an extended blood trail or worse yet not finding it and it dying later on never to be claimed and gone to waste. its this scenario anyone with true ballistic knowledge would choose a higher energy round . bragging about distance shots with a small round is literally putting a flag on your back saying i risk wasting animals because i willingly choose inadequate rounds .
@@guadianam well it was a girl. 110 lbs. That's the caliber she shot. It worked.
400 all day
@@guadianam Anyone with ballistics knowledge knows you can load and use a 6.5 to deliver sufficient energy and expansion for an elk at 453 yards all day long. If you're using the all-copper bullets they tested in the gel, forget about it. I don't care how you advertise that garbage, if you don't hit the shoulder bone or a rib directly, you're just poking a hole through the animal (large or small caliber, short or long range). Warning: avoid all-copper bullets.
The 6.5 x55 has been the go to cartridge in Scandinavia moose and the 6.5 Crredmoor is the modern 6.5 x55.
I am excited about deer season! I would love to see a video on small bags and belts to carry a little bit of gear from car to stand and if anyone knows of a good bag/belt would love to hear from y'all to thanks!
Great video! I love the way you explained sectional density. FYI The live auctions are ending over on gunspot .com right now.
Sorry I have to say it. Toaster*. My sincerest apologies. Have a great day!
I used to have to dig so bad for all of this info on youtube you this video was so great i cant wait for you guys to do more!
I don’t understand maybe y’all can help. I bought the 6.5 creedmoor to hunt with and I have had plenty of 308 rifles, I normally hunt with a 45-70. But anyways, people say “the 6.5 is no good for hunting” but praise the 7mm-08 when imo there is not much difference. I’m no fan boy just curious
I use my Ruger 10-22 as a trainer for skills ( if your antisipation of recoil threshold is low), I use my 7mm Rem Mag for accuracy. 6.5 creedmoor is a very capable chambering, but I just feel like the 7mm Rem Mag is ALOT more capable with a wide variety of projectiles that doesn't break the bank, and isn't quite the barrel burner the 28 Nosler is.
Semper Fi 7mm rem mag is now the unsung hero but still say that it’s the most awesome round for pretty much everything in NORTH AMERICA.
I just recently bought a Tikka T3X Lite in 6.5 Creedmoor for my big game hunting and my bullet of choice is factory Hornady ELD-X 143 gr...6.5 Creedmoor can kill anything in North America within 300 yards, period. I can’t wait for next year to start harvesting my own meat 🥩...
That’s a great setup. Excited for you to start hunting next year.
Backfire oh yeah and forgot to mention scope Vortex Viper HS 4-16X44 MOA reticle.!! You guys said Vortex Warranty the best..
Watching all the way from South Africa.
After living & hunting in Alaska for 37 years, and shooting around 60 big game animals with many different calibers, the 30-06 with the right bullet did everything I wanted, so that what I stuck with...
30-06 is the proven big game cartridge spanning decades by which all cartridges are judged. The 6.5 and 6mm CM is really a competition round for NRL and PRS gun golf, and not really designed for terminal ballistics.
@@BurnDuration The ballistics are identical (or surpass) old classics that have been dumping big game for a very long time, like 6.5x55 or 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenaur. That last one has quite a history in Africa. I don't know how you can get the same or better numbers, with much better bullet technology today, and not be able to count on terminal ballistics.
Joel Odjick, while I agree the 6.5 CM and 6mm CM cartridges have superior external ballistics than the old 30-06, those same modern hunting bullets for rapid expansion for the 6.5 and 6mm can also be had in the .308 diameter as well. However, the PRIMARY difference is not bullet construction offerings between the two cartridges, but rather in case capacity. 6.5 and 6mm CM at ~43 grains will never have the capability to hold 57 grains of powder like 7.62x63, even if a reloaded were to hotrod the cartridge beyond SAAMI pressures.
Granted, it is possible to throat the chamber of a 6.5/6mm CM longer, and seat bullets at longer COAL, at compressed powder chargers, however the .308 win parent case still will not have enough volume to approach the old 30-06. Indeed, the 30-06 is a very inefficient cartridge for it’s powder charge compared to modern cartridges (like 6mm ARC for example), it still is a better choice for knocking down big North America game like elk at short distances.
I’m actually in the process of building a PRS rig in 6mm CM, for local matches, and I think it is important to use the correct tool for the job. The modern CM chamberings were specifically developed for competition purposes, in which using a 30-06 would be an absolutely terrible choice.
No argument to any of that, Burn! Was just saying the 6.5mm bullet has earned a solid reputation on big game over the last century plus, and regardless of the purpose of the Creedmoor, that is what it throws .
@@BurnDuration I shot a B&C caribou at a laser measured 480 yards with a 30-06 180 grain fail safe bullet. If I can't get closer than 500 yards what kind of hunter would I be...I shot 2 mountain goats at less than 25 yards. If Bow hunters can get as close as they do, we rifle hunters should be able to get within several hundred yards....
Very good discussion guys! I am glad you bring up the maximum distances for 6.5 CM and ethical hunting. The only thing I would disagree on is the "inherently accurate." YES it is! BUT not for the reason you give. IT is due to the significantly lower freebore around the bullet in the chamber, a much more optimized case fill and yes, better, high BC bullets. =)
That and the fact that there aren't 200+ reamer designs for it causing some ammo to shoot great and others to shoot like crap. Nice to have every chamber pretty close to the original spec.
@@jdlr3777 I was wondering why a $200 6.5 CM seems to shoot just as well as a $1,200 6.5 CM. There are tons of videos on "look at my $200 0.7MOA rifle I just bought!"
@@keithjacobson9163 Keep in mind brother that a proper chamber is only one piece of the puzzle. To complete the puzzle in the pursuit of ultimate accuracy and precision, you'll need a good chamber/throat design, a straight barrel with correct hardening and clean rifling, a concentric action, a stiff stock/chassis, and concentric ammo. Something to remember is the greatest accuracy enhancement device in the last century is the keyboard. Lots of shooter claim .5moa or better. Very few can produce that over and over. Many rifles will occasionally produce a .25moa group, few will do it consistently. Better to ask the guy bragging about it to produce a target with 5 5-shot groups on it. Either take the worst group or take the average size for a real world idea of what the rifle will do. Very rarely will a rifle under 2k shoot that well outside of a rest consistently.
6.5 cm with 140 grain accubond is an excellent round for elk. Keep the shots below 400 yards and dont do qautering away shots over 100 yards.
Out of all the more modern calibers, the 6.5 creed is what i eould actually buy, not because its the best of the modern loadings but because its damn good and i can find it everywhere for a much better price than others and not scared of it going away anymore after 15 years of success.
I use barnes vortex or federal trophy copper and they definitely hold together.
Where the gunshot catches the supersonic 'crack' is the 'Transonic' zone, the point where the bullet transitions from being supersonic to subsonic. The muzzle blast carries on until it dissipates.
That’s why I went with 6.5 Grendel for deer iv hunting and long range target shooting, 2x the barrel life at least. The other thing I like is that I made mine in an ar platform so barrel changes are so so easy. If I want to shoot an elk at long I wouldn’t shoot 6.5 creedmoor, don’t get me wrong creedmoor is a fantastic round but it isn’t perfect.
If I didn't want the occasional bigger game hunt with the same rifle, I would have went with the Grendel too, for the same reasons.
OK this is the first time I’ve heard the term “Barrel Burnout.” You want to do a video on this? Maybe cut a burnt out barrel in have and give us a visual.
When a barrel burns out, it mostly won't be visible. The term burn out, means that the barrel has lost accuracy. Example, a barrel that shot 3/8" groups consistently, starts shooting 1" or even worse. Barrel burn out in extreme accurate rifles may only show 1/4" loss in accuracy to be considered burned out. Bullet speed, chamber pressure, and rate of twist, all contribute to burn out. 220 swift, and 243 win are considered real "barrel burner" cartridges. Even "burnt out" barrels may still be accurate enough to be used for hunting, just doesn't have the dime size groups that it once had. Hope this helps. And I'm not an expert on the matter, just a gun nut! Have a great day
@@Gunrunner223 In addition, when a barrel starts to get used up, it needs more cleaning more often.. 10 shots and clean? Etc. But it's all relative to what accuracy you expect. 2" is still well enough for deer/elk at 100-150 yards, so some people will probably never have a rifle not usable for their hunting.
we had a 308 with 20 000 rounds through it, it still performed 0.5" 5 shot groups (hunting stock, so it has never been much better). But i had to be cleaned inbetween groups, or it opened up after 5-6 shots. But that rifle would be okay for many years hunting but for ELR etc where you spend 100+ rounds a match without cleaning it would not work.
Russell Kerns I wonder if it’s metal fatigue or an issue with the temper? Is it only a problem with high pressure rounds?
@@johnwaw6363 it's not really a metal issue, it's just a wear issue. Any barrel in any gun will wear out slowly over time. Even though bullets are softer than the barrel, they do still apply enough friction to the surface to cause very slight wear. Higher velocity rounds apply much more friction to critical areas, with much more pressure behind them. Over time that will erode away the rifling and the throat of the barrel. In your typical semi-auto combat rifle you won't see this until you hit many many thousands of rounds, but it will happen. But with precision rifles, small amounts of wear can make big differences in grouping, especially at extended ranges, so the barrels are considered "worn out" after a much lower round count. For extreme examples of wear, look up barrel inspection videos on high round count machine gun barrels
ALet338 so your bore is a few thousands out from the lead friction.
250 yards is pretty damn far. I would try to get even closer than that. Or i might just not be a long range type of guy but I do own a 6.5 CM and I love it.
Love my 6.5 for whitetail in the east. Fun to target shoot with. Great for varmints. Doesn't beat you up. Plenty of power on medium game and under.
Love your guys channel really good stuff. would love to see a gun shoot off in 350 legend between Ruger , Savage , Win xpr & CVA cascade this would be great for us straight wall only states IT would help us ALOT to decide on a best gun for the money, But keep up the great work guys
.270 still has it beat. ;-) Maybe if low recoil was a major concern. Good video.
I've been using the Hornady Precision Hunter 30-06 and 308 on elk and it's just knocking them down.
You guys are making such good, informative videos, thank you.
Can you do a direct comparison between the 6.5 Creedmoor and a 308 win please..
No because the old men that shoot 308 will be crying in that video's comment section for a decade when they lose.
@@gsxr1189 it’s so funny that the old vets are the ones that really hate the creed😂😂😅
Thank you for a great video, can you do a video for 6.5 prc?
Thank you
Thanks super interesting and helpful just bought a Tikka T3X super lite in 6.5 for my deer rifle
Checked out Backfire.TV - VERY nice and well done on both this video and that site! I can't agree enough about long range hunting. Keep it close, make the kill 100% of the time and maintain a respectable reputation for Hunting. Don't be a wahoo.
I used a Carl Gustav 6.5x55 many years ago. Was a fantastic round...
this was awesome, shopping for a Weatherby right now and this was very helpful! I just subscribed!
I don't know if the both of you know or have have been told this but, You Guys Are Awesome 😀👍😃!
That’s good I have no reason to give up my 270 this is around that has been around for a long time I’m totally fine with it
Didnt you know, metric is better? Spend your money, the gun manufacturers need you!😉🤣
I like to think of most of these guys as the male version of women who say "that dress is SO last year!" Trued and true, im with you.
Absolutely love these caliber videos. Thanks
Stellar overview, keep up the great work guys.
U.S. Special Operations Command as of 2019 is converting their SASS to 6.5 Creedmoor. Army testing showed that 6.5C doubled hit probability at 1000 yds vs 7.62 NATO. And yielded a 33% increase in effective range. No mention of the 6.5x55 in this video. A cartridge with near identical performance to Creedmoor and the best sniper rifle of WWII according to gun Jesus. and the only Mauser cartridge that was once so popular major U.S. gun manufacturers offered new rifles chambered for it.
What’s your opinion on a 7mm-08 for elk? Thanks for the great videos, especially on the hunting rifles.
Nice video! I'd love to see a similar video about the good old .300 Win Mag.
All top 7 is my pick's thank you guys
Awesome video and the content is packed full of the kind of information that’s really useful
Very good vid!!! Thanks for being honest!! So many say the 65CM is the do all round for every situation. I really liked your terminal test. I shoot DPMS G2 hunter AR10 rifles in 308. Was thinking about trying a 6.5 CM barrel. I think the only real or worth wile advantage for the cost/money would be the recoil. Not that my 308's recoil that much but I like to be able to spot for myself. The 308 has just a little too much recoil to see my bullet impacts every time. IDK if its worth trying or not. Thanks for the great vid!!
Just a heads up, I swapped from a 308 to an 6.5c in an ar10 platform and was not aware of firing pin to primer issues. To shorten it up a bit the standard bolt firing pin hole is to large for CM’s for some reason which causes extreme primer flow, pierced primers, and sometimes even primers blown out of the pocket. This happened to me even with light factory loads. You can fix it by purchasing a $250-300 JP bolt but....
@@nt_wicked_bunch2717 thanks for the heads up. The G2 DPMS rifles I run have a very large firing pin hole so JP it will be if they even make a G2 bolt. I may have to start from scratch with a gen 1 platform. Thanks for saving me a ton of headache!!! Much appreciated!!!
nice video. I'm interested to see how stuff stacks up as more calibers show up on your page.
I recently found and started watching your videos and have enjoyed all. I d like to add my opinion and experience with the 6.5 Creed. I have two target rifles both chambered in this caliber. I purchased a Ruger Precision and later had a custom rifle built. Seems this caliber has a love / hate reputation. I agree it has some good qualities but has been given others that not only aren't feasible or ethical with the Creedmoor they shouldn't be practiced with any caliber. I had heard of but didn't know what BC was or how it applied to bullets and shooting. The 6.5 Creedmoor as most know was created for target shooters as a inherently accurate cartridge ( it is) and it is comparatively flat shooting if compared at 1000 yds. or more just as it was designed to do.
The reason I feel this round got the negative image with some it has is the difference between target shooting and hunting using it. At reasonable and ethical hunting distances, I consider 400 yds.max most traditional deer calibers 270 , 7 mag even 308 do shoot flatter and for hunting only and more suited. Recoil has been another good issue and I know some handle better than others but hunters don't as a rule fire nearly as often nor number of rounds compared with target shooters, a positive factor firing typical numbers and allowing bullet impacts easier spotted. Ballistic Coefficient , BC is important only to target shooters at ranges farther than 600 or so yards and this is where the Creedmoor shines and also I believe where it got the reputation its capable of taking game at extreme range. There is so much involved trying to put a hole in paper at long range even shooting with rests front and rear where conditions are known , shoots aren't hurried and I haven't seen a target move at all or unexpected. Lastly I believe it's uninformed or irresponsible use that's given the 6.5 Creedmoor it's larger than life and unappreciated, even hated reputation.
Thanks and I notice some sp. mistakes and its not my poor grammar but typing skills or lack of so bear with em please.
Great hunting or shooting and do so wisely and safely.
Also I apologize for length but remembered something important and that's the difference in bullet selection. Target rounds high BC bullets are thin fully jacketed that cut air and wind well but aren't designed nor should be used hunting large game. Pick well designed expanding ones for hunting.
I have well over 3k rounds out of my SASS rifle in 6.5cm and still holds sub MOA, so I find some of the things being said in this video to be not correct.
So you watched this whole video and that's what you got out of it?
@@SuperBman1221 Ya
Like most rifles, there are a lot of variables in barrel life. One thing that makes a huge difference is barrel temp. I have somewhere upwards of 2000 rounds through my 6.5cm and it too still shoots better than the guy behind the trigger, but I treat my barrel like a baby bottle. I set my wrist on the barrel after each shot and if it’s uncomfortably warm the rifle is allowed to cool before more shooting.
I have buddies that shoot F-class that were seeing throat erosion after as few as 1000 shots and unacceptable accuracy between 1500 and 1700 shots. The general consensus among the group is that
1) they have to shoot even when the barrel is fairly hot, especially in summer matches.
2) the unburnt powder leaves the cartridge at just enough of an angle to sort of sandblast the throat slightly before it continues down the barrel and burns up.
Once they switched to the 6.5 PRC most of them were getting much longer barrel life even though it’s a faster cartridge.
The talk got a lot more technical than that and pretty much went over my head so I hope I got that last part right.