Has the West Lost its Moral Legitimacy? With Shaykh Hasan Spiker
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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“The West won the world NOT by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion…but rather by its superiority in applying organized VIOLENCE.
Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners NEVER do.”
― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
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Bullseye
It won by the cruel inhuman use of weapons that caused mass destruction with no regard for the innocent people it annihilated in its invasions of other countries, most done covertly through actions by the CIA who infiltrated and funded rebel groups of criminals and murders !
Thanks for the quote. This "clash" idea is just another way of dividing people. That idea is poison.
Christianity is not the religion of the "West". Christianity is not Christendom. Christendom is political and has been violent throughout practically all its history. Every single government seeks to apply a "monopoly of violence".
Jesus said "love your enemies" and "those who live by the sword will die from the sword". That means NO VIOLENCE, not even in self-defence. And can you name a majority "Muslim" country that does not have an army or a government that uses no violence? No, you can't.
Every single government will soon be eliminated by the Kingdom of God. Ever heard of that? Well, that's the message of Jesus. So stop complaining about the "West". It will soon be gone. 🙂
As long as the people in the homeland live high on the hog they don’t care what the price is, some of them have to die in war and some get to enjoy life. Greed is the most powerful weapon in americas arsenal, IMO
What moral supremacy? U can’t lose what u don’t have
lol, true...haha
lolll
correct; the title should be 'claim of moral supremacy'
@@bilalafzal7442 😜
Not true.
The West fought against real evil. 100s of millions of people fought and died, for that fight against evil.
And as soon as an ultra-Liberal gets into office, the entire history of the world is erased.
Sad. Sick. Unfair. Disresectful.
I am stunned by Hasan’s command and authority over the subject and his lecture is motivating and captivating indeed. Hats off to Br Paul for hosting such a great interview with the versatile personality - Hasan Spiker.
How can the West lose something it never had?
exactly
Good question.
Tell me what moral legitimacy others have? The ten commandments that doesn't worth the paper it was written on? Are you blaming europeans for the actions of the european politicians who are selected by the same interests that established and run israel? All of them were given as only options to choose from. Europeans do not like it either. Europeans have been massacred by the jewish induced and made communism just like the people in gaza. They were shot by the thousands by jewish comissars they were sent to siberia to the gulags they were afflicted by the holodomor that exterminated millions. What morals are you trying to teach me here? Remember what happened in paris few years ago? The bloody riots went on for two years every week and they were unable to remove the jewish banker puppet Macron from office despite. If they tried to go any further tanks and military would have been deployed to massacre them. Learn real history before you get used by those who you are fighting against.
wow
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Not only they lost it, they have buried it alive, in front of the whole world!
Truly said! The ugly imperialism of the West exposed in front of the World.
Truly said! The ugly imperialism of the West exposed in front of the World.
A great article. The whole world, especially the Western, is in need for such articles: written by a Muslim scholar, in perfect English, of a just cause, and based on historical facts. Thank you Mr. Williams for the subject selection and for your interventions for clarity; right to the point.
Many thanks!
Historically grotesquely inaccurate. The first Area-bombing in WWII was Warsaw in 1939, Monchengladbach was not bombed until 1940.
Paul, I love your channel and the guests you have! You have inspired me to get back to reading again! May Allah reward you for the great work you do! Inshallah
Wonderful!
آمین ثم آمین یا رب العالمین
relevant history. 1. Roam booted jues.
2. Jues went to Isaiah 42 mt selah Medina.
3. Most jues reverted to Islam & returned to Quds under Umar w/ no Ioss of Iife.
4. Kahzers in the 800s converted... these are the Zl0s today, no tie to the Iand.
5. Saudis & Egypt in 73 did oil boycott to get back sanai, lran in 79 helped bibi by going after lraq like they did in yemen.
To say bibi belongs in Palestine due to his faith is like saying he should be in a native American camp because he started to worship trees.
Even the oldest israeli pm's has a Palestine birth certificate... we don't need much else to see who is the occupier... they use force ...
Some ppl claim the bible says it's their land, 1st it's no authority & what verse?
The children of Abraham are Ismailis who learned Arabic and jues who learned Arabic and became Muslim.
Read point 4 and rev 2.9 & 3.9.
they say occupying is Zl0 defense not offense.
False. Pre & post 1948 Zl0 oppressors Iie on Arabs, etc. Key incidents include 1948 K. David HoteI, 54 Iavon affair, Iiberty & O9 - OlI, lraq wmd Iies etc. Bibi even said the last 2 are good for us answering the qui bono w/ audio on yt!
Sheikh Hassan is as eloquent in person as he is on paper!
Moral compass of west has STOPPED functioning long time ago. There is a huge list of countries where the west has inflicted unthinkable amount of misery!
Majority of them poor countries are muslim countries 😢
The biggest epidemic of women and child sx traf ficking is in America its a big crisis, they are far from civilized as much as they portray that to the world.
The west was never moral and will never be.
Thank you for introducing Shaykh Spiker works and ideas to us. Jazakallah
Alhamdulillah
Good sirs, you both provided me a rare ray of light in this time of darkness.
The truth will set us all free😘
Alhamdulillah. Paul Williams and Hasan Spiker, your subtle and strongly founded arguments are fantastic, they allow us to see the cracks in the narrative presented to us.
I pray Allah increases us and you in sincerity and devotion.
May Allah grant ease to the people of Palestine. May he bring us together as one body in our families, communities and as an ummah. Ameen.
Jazakallah.And Amenon your dual.
Correction....amen. dua
Ameen
A ham for Delilah? Is that what he said?
As Asians, we have learnt a lot in history classes that from time to time when westerns get involved in other countries' situation, it's merely 'verschlimmbesserung'
I like new words thankyou
Boycott US products and brands like Netflix, McDonalds, Coca Cola, Nike, Starbucks, iPhones until they stop their war mongering ways.
Verschlimmbesserung is a German noun word for an attempted improvement that only makes things worse.
Ver, schlimm, bear ser rung
@@the_famous_reply_guynicht so schlimm
What you do not know is why. I am helping you understand . Study real history. Western europe including all european based societies eastern europe, the US canada and australia have been taken over by the same people who established and run israel. They resided and thrived in european countries in the middle ages and as professional usurers they established a money lending empire; first in europe then they spread out internationally. They were based mainly in germany and england. Even today they operate from european based lands. These people had overthrown kings and governments using usury, communism and religion infiltration, subversion, cunning deception and ruthless violence just as in the case of communism. Today no one is allowed to get near power in these countries and states because even the presidential candidates come from the international money lenders who are mainly from the same ilk as the ones who live in israel and run the state of israel. All european based societies and governments are controlled by those people. They built this financial empire over centuries and they conspire to take down europe and european based societies because we pose a threat to them. This is why they decided to take down germany and this is one of the reasons they organized two world wars already.
Thank you again Paul for inviting one the voice of our humanity! ❤️
Theology and Hassan HATS OFF BOTH FOR TELLING THE PURE TRUTH ABOUT HISTORY OF PALESTINE, SALUTE TO BOTH OF YOU
SALAMI!
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They have lost their moral highground, yes. And they know it too. Imagine them going, now, to China, Russia or somewhere in Africa telling them they should change their policies because: human rights, freedom of speech etc. I read a comment written by an American soldier who said as much. Their soldiers spend hours on this very subject, human rights, democracy with the specific goal of keeping the moral highground, while invading imperialistically obviously, but this is all now, beautifully, in tatters.
Thank you so much for this. I followed the link and also read the essay for myself. Very illuminating. I can’t help but also think that this unprecedented period must be a turning point. We are confronted with danger, but also hope and possibility
Jazak Allahu Khayran! Thank you so much, dear Brother Paul!
Great discussion Paul. Thank you ! May Allah bless both of you for the enlightenment you dispensed ❤
ameen
That's a lot to unpack. Will have to listen several times to understand.
Absolutely amazing.
Thanks Paul.
Hasan spiker is amongst the most well spoken young English scholars. He would wipe piers Morgan and almost all others.
You cannot "win" against people like Piers Morgan because they don't argue in good faith and use a scorched earth strategy in their debate. If they know they cannot win they will change the subject, make personal attacks, focus on secondary details and wait for the ring of the bell. And when they start debating they offer nothing but sophistry
Well… that’s if he can get a word in.
He may be a good spiker, but how’s his set pass, bump pass and serve?
Fully respect you Brother and Sheikh Hasan… Excellent topic… Free Free Palestine… Regards🇶🇦❤️🇵🇸✌🏽👍🏽
Free free anodyne!
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The truth really hurts, doesn’t it ?. You need to seek a therapist. Good luck.
This is beautiful..excellent work .Thank you so much to both brothers .
Thank you sir for these videos! Allah bless you brother 🌹
May Allah preserve Sheikh Hasan Spiker!
Allah seems to be a bit fickle.
Lovely discussion. Thank you!
They never had it in the first place , in order to lose it , moral legitimacy that is !!
Thank you for your channel ❤
A most appreciated conversation. Thank you 🙏
- [00:03]📚 Introduction to Shaykh Hasan Spiker
- Shaykh Hasan Spiker, a philosopher and second-generation Anglo-American Muslim.
- 12 years of study in Islamic intellectual Sciences, degrees in philosophy from London and Cambridge.
- Author of books on metaphysics, philosophical theology, and a notable work on human autonomy.
- [02:31] 🌐 Overview of the Article "October 7th: The Terminal Hypocrisy of a Crumbling West"
- The article sees October 7th as a defining event, signaling the dissolution of post-World War I settlement.
- Examines the West's moral narrative and its claim to leadership through liberalism.
- Highlights the impact of the October 7th War on exposing the failure of liberal claims.
- [06:30] 🌍 Critique of Liberal Order and Cultural Implications
- Discusses the West's struggle in culture wars and the erosion of its moral legitimacy.
- Criticizes the West's failure to embrace genuine pluralism and its vacillation on neutrality.
- Points out the rise of populist movements in Europe and America seeking a distinct Western identity.
- [09:17] 💬 Criticism of Right-Wing Commentators and Ideological Inconsistencies
- Notes the opportunistic turn of some right-wing figures expressing anti-Islam sentiments.
- Highlights the ideological paradox in figures like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray.
- Observes the ungrounded arbitrariness in their stances, revealing anti-Islamic sentiment.
- [11:37] 🏛 Analysis of Western Liberal Order's Inherent Authoritarianism
- Explores the inherent authoritarianism in Western liberal order, especially in times of crisis.
- Points to examples like Suella Braverman's attempt to ban protests as a manifestation of latent authoritarianism.
- Connects the liberal order's authoritarianism to its support for Israel as a key pillar.
- [17:28] 🛑 Examination of Israel's Role and Foundational Lies
- Emphasizes the foundational lie of Israel's existence as a land without people for a people without land.
- Discusses the multifaceted nature of the lie, including the denial of the Nakba and the rich pre-Israel Palestinian culture.
- Argues that Israel's survival is linked to defending this lie at any cost, impacting the moral narratives of the US and Britain.
- [23:07] ⚖ Reevaluation of Historical Narratives and Moral Equivalence
- Challenges the conventional moral narrative surrounding the Holocaust and post-Enlightenment modernity.
- Asserts that the Holocaust is part of the crimes of post-Enlightenment modernity, perpetrated by the same forces that committed other atrocities.
- Raises uncomfortable inconsistencies in the moral narrative related to Hitler, the Nazis, and Western actions.
- [25:51] 🌍 Tripartite Soul and Society
- Discusses the tripartite soul concept derived from Plato, consisting of intellect, spiritedness, and desire.
- Socrates' thought experiment on desire, intellect, and spiritedness in decision-making.
- Emphasizes the historical importance of the tripartite soul in medieval Christian, Islamic, and Jewish sciences.
- [30:16] 🏛 Well-Ordered Society
- Explores the idea of a well-ordered society where intellect governs and desire and spiritedness are subordinate.
- Relates the tripartite soul to societal components like military, economy, and intellectual class.
- Highlights the importance of philosophy in placing everything in its proper place for a harmonious balance.
- [34:23] 🔄 Evolution of Societal Order
- Traces the evolution of societal order from premodern universal principles to modern inverted configurations.
- Discusses Bacon's role in subordinating intellect to power and the subsequent stages leading to the Industrial Revolution.
- Points out the shift towards desire and pleasure as the driving forces in modern societies.
- [38:23]☠ West's Moral Legitimacy
- Examines the West's attempt at moral resuscitation after October 7th and how it backfired, demonstrating terminal moral illegitimacy.
- Connects the genocide in Gaza to the West's loss of moral legitimacy.
- Discusses the diminishing power of Holocaust references in Western narratives.
- [40:28]🌐 October 7th Impact on Society
- Reflects on the aftermath of October 7th, stating it exposed liberal secular society's diversity as mere appearance.
- Addresses the suppression of intellectual expression and the wakeup call for millions regarding the illusion of diversity and freedom.
- Concludes with the suggestion to read the discussed article for deeper reflection.
You have said everything truthfully May Allah rewards you for that InshaAllah Aameen
Aaaaameen Yaa Rabb 🤲
Thanks for speaking the truth!
Alhamdulila proud of him ❤
As an American, i can say some of my fellow Americans are tired of the Western ways. There is an awakening. God Bless Palestine.
Masha’Allah, where do you find such eloquence speakers? Well done 👍🏿
Brilliant ❤
May Almighty Allah Bless Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.
May You Praise Almighty Zeus!
Great content Paul!! Thankyou for bringing another jewel in your vlog.!!! Do give a thought about bringing Tariq Ramadan as a guest.
i was blown away, that was an intellectual power boost
It was only moral by words but never by action. It lost its moral integrity a long long time ago.
Never had it.
Jazakallahq khair to both of you
my first impression of my dear sheikh brother Hasan Spike is, he looks like the Joe blogs from the neighbourhood in East London, may Allah forgive me.
Then subhanallah he spoke and the Speech is truly 'magic' as Rasul Kareem Sallahu alaihi sallam said,
My dear sheikh and brother is an eloquent Northern accented Gentlemen on Shakespearean steroid.
May Allah bless us all and him and increase all of us and him in imaan, safety, health and protect us all. ameen.
You don't have to share everything that comes to your mind.
have seen Shaykh Hasan Spiker speak about ibn arabi such a amazing speaker he opened my mind
They never had a moral supramacy.
Rather the question should be: 'Are we finally unshackling ourselves from West's moral depravity?'
Hassan ist 100% right.
More band more I come to the conclusion that Islam is a better way of living.
بارك الله فيك
ameen
Subhannallah! Great Scholarship here bros
The evils they did humiliates them.
Their interest over weighs their morality, it also forms part of British values, they will start mentioning it when you apply for naturalization.😮
One time they had christian values, but i guess that took a train to butlins.
Jazakallah khairan Mr Paul from Indonesia
ROBBERS ARE NOT OWNERS MAY ALLAH SWT BLESS YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. 💕
Great discussion, I have learned a lot, may Allah bless you both ❤
Thank you
Thanks Paul. Please update your Apple podcasts as well whenever you are able. Thanks bro.
Freedom for Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤❤❤
BRILLIANT.
God bless you ....God bless you
Thank you brother Paul and hasan. Your cognitive analysis and depth in Islamic history is well appreciated.
back then they were having picnic while watching black people getting lynch, nowadays they gather in front of their tv watching genocide live while having pizza and beer with their kids around.
Your comments are interesting and I tend to agree with you. I live in Florida USA. I wish I could help those suffering unfairly but what can I do? Plus I'm getting old.
By the way, I'm not Muslim. But I am learning slowly ( too slow unfortunately ) about Islam.
Peace to you
meanwhile the islamic world rank the worst in terms of minority religious freedom
@@johnbrzykcy3076 have you read the quran? what are your impressions?
Exactly. Why are Muslims now just realizing this. America never had any moral authority, especially with the horrors they committed and continue to against black Americans. We told y’all.
@@johnbrzykcy3076if u are old than take your shahada before its too late
read quran
Mr spiker sounds like hes been advocating in the redkeep in front of the iron throne for decades
😂😂😂
mashaallah what a confident scholar
Masha-Allah excellent show.
At the bottom of the rabbit hole Satan runs the show.
This.
Paul. Your content is great!
Alhamdulillah
They never had moral supremacy, let alone morality itself
The west never had it to lose it, it was a pretense, the longest Halloween ever.
Brilliant!! Brother Paul maybe you could add some explaining captions like seen on the deen show videos or do a reaction video to this video to explain for lay folk like me
It never had it in the first place 😉 but jazakAllahu khayr for the video!
only thing they had was military/ technological supremacy but they don't have the edge that they had in previous decades, so what's left a growing poor population condemned to serfdom to their oligarch who constitute a nation of their own.
they had nothing. literally nothing go back to history :)
They were savage people and they still the same and accuse other people of what they are. It's an oxymoron civilisation a failure.
They built their so called 'civilisation' by slavery, exploitation and mass colonial genocidale infinite wars.. and they still doing the same in the name of Democracy lol
They are the most delusional, greedy, bloodthirsty people. Tell me what era they did not rob, kill, rape caused misschief in the land .. etc ?
The French colonized us for 132 years, they killed millions raped robbed and exploited people. They tried to abolish our language, religious values and the whole identity. They used to rape women in front of their husbands and torture people with the most inhuman way.
Don't get fooled by their deceptive so called 'morals' they are the most imoral evil bloothirsty that ever existed.
Today, they are making people believe that a man can be a women and women can be a man .. women can have a penises .. That humans came from ape and there is no God.
They want an imoral, godless societies and want to spread that poison to the global south. We need to fight this craziness and imperialism.
They believe in everything that Shaytan want people to do. their people lost their mind because of the confusion they propagandized em with. They say 'we are the people of the light' .
That's what God told us in Quran about people of disbelieve
Allah SWT says: "When they are told, “Do not spread corruption in the land,” they reply, “We are only peace-makers!" Indeed, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not."
They colonise countries and when people rebel they call them Terrorists xD
I swear, it's a waste of time dealing with them, they lost their souls long time ago.
Even when christianity reached them, They corrupted the book of God and took Jesus as a god as their ancestors did (greeco roman mythology)
Finally, i believe they will never change until the day of judgement and only few of them are aware of what is happening.. May Allah guide righteous and honest people to islam.@@bilalafzal7442
What intellectual, great scholar and great statement Allah bless you and last free Palestine thanks
I like to study these books for our enlightenment and society..thanks Paul Sir
Masha'ALLAH Amazing
Ассаламу Алайкум ВарахматуЛлахи вабаракатуху.
Sunak is complicit of war crimes.
agreed
Thanks Paul
Alhamdulillah
They never had "moral" anything.
It never had any moral legitimacy to begin with!!
Great. The Sheikh's voice sounds like a radio reporter from old Britain hhhh. I used to listen a long time ago such reporters
Black Americans screamed to the world that the west specially America had no moral superiority. Why are people
Just figuring this out now?
Guess blame the M-tv?
Real talk, from a Muslim black American from Africa I second that
Honesty and transparency are important to the West. I'm not hearing much of that from the "global South" these days.
Western media is controlled by other country 🇮🇱
Before watching anything, the answer is an astounding Yes
It has never had one
it can't lose what it NEVER had
Conversation between Jesus and the Jewish leaders over 2000 years ago, looks like nothing much has changed 🤦;
Gospel of John 8; 39-47
39 “Abraham is our father,” they (Jews) answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did.
40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Just because they wrote the « universal declaration of human rights » doesn’t mean they actually believe in it for everyone
The linguist tongue in this conversation is above my pay grade.
Don’t say that, Don’t say west doesn’t have morals because these Two legendary gentlemen are from the same origin. And so is Ken O’Keefe, so is Abby Martin, and so many more strong voices that Arab world is missing!
Obviously they are not saying that every single westerner lacks a moral compass. We're talking about geopolitics and philosophy here.
@@bez1196 thank you my friend. I’m not talking about Paul and Hassan, talking about overall westerners. There’s lots of good people voiced the crime happening in Palestine
Lies need more lies to sustain them whilst one truth alone can prevail
'A land without a people for a people without a land' is also suggestive of the devaluing of Muslim and 'other'humanity in the eyes of the Imperialist.
I think they have only lost the 'pretence' of moral legitimacy.
It is not difficult to understand why the western governments, who are themselves pioneers of imperialism, colonization, ethnic cleansing and apartheid rush to support a similar regime. That is because they share similar ‘values’.
Masha Allah
Very close but not to be confused with Hassan piker 😂
BIG TRUE!
Salaam Paul,
Your title is misleading somewhat! If you mean white supremacy, yes, the West has been losing its supremacy since the beginning of this century. Hence, there is a populace, and neocons have been winning votes across Europe and North America.
If you mean morality, then I think you've been sarcastic. It is an ironic statement.
Cheers,
P.S. Shaykh Hasan has got it. The real thing is liberalism ideology and its daughter, neoliberalism, and neocons showing the world its tactics.
How many other brilliant scholars I still don't know?
Asslamaolaikum respectable Paul can you put review of these books in future
What do you mean "lost"? They didn't have to begin with.
As salamalaikum brother Paul,
Thank you for all the work you do; may Allah reward you for it all and bless you in this life and the next.
The link you posted that is supposed to lead to Professor Spiker’s paper does not work- at least for me. Wanted to let you know.
Best,
Daanesh Jamal
Sheikh spiker has a kind of biscuity voice, (rich tea)
We are living in the blind and binded media age ...so please we need truth through your kindself