Order of Ecclesia is Completely Breaking Apart

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @JupiterClimb
    @JupiterClimb  2 місяці тому +143

    Just noticed I misspoke, for the Magical Ticket glitch it's D-Pad one frame AFTER pressing item select. And I'd definitely recommend trying these tricks yourself! They're pretty easy to do, a ton of fun to mess around with, and the Albus -> Shanoa glitch lets you keep Albus' inventory after you save (Moonwalkers and two Master Rings).

    • @rosheafan
      @rosheafan 2 місяці тому +9

      I imagine the ending is just a counter that gets incremented by 1 or 2, depending on whether or not you saved the villagers. By getting the bad ending twice, you increment the counter by 2, therefore getting the good ending.
      That's just a thought, though.

    • @grunkleg.2934
      @grunkleg.2934 2 місяці тому

      ​@@rosheafanI assume it's like how in SotN, the default state of the throne room is Richter being saved, the check the game does being bypassable through glitches. In the case of OoE, the default story path is probably you being on the good ending path, the game checks to see if you're gonna get the bad ending right before fighting Albus, but because of how glitched everything was leading up to the fight, that check ends up getting bypassed in some way or another

  • @haydenhayden
    @haydenhayden 2 місяці тому +200

    Watching you load in as Albus was one thing, but then swapping to Shanoa like it was Portrait was INSANE.

  • @godesabode
    @godesabode 2 місяці тому +343

    finally: portrait of ecclesia

    • @sebchess3555
      @sebchess3555 2 місяці тому +52

      order of ruin

    • @AdeptRougeOfHorus
      @AdeptRougeOfHorus 2 місяці тому +13

      @@sebchess3555 Shit that's good.

    • @rgbarrios0331
      @rgbarrios0331 2 місяці тому +2

      metal af

    • @umbriel706
      @umbriel706 Місяць тому +3

      SHANOA! ALBUS! SHANOA! ALBUS! SHANOA! ALBUS! SHANOA! ALBUS! SHANOA! ALBUS! SHANOA! ALBUS!

  • @_JPkun
    @_JPkun 2 місяці тому +349

    Shanoa! Albus! Shanoa! Albus! Shanoa! Is about to become a reality.

    • @eloquent2200
      @eloquent2200 2 місяці тому +25

      Imagine if someone makes such a mod for PoR :D

    • @CB-L
      @CB-L 2 місяці тому +18

      This reminds me of the old PoR TAS with Charlotte and Jonathan violently shaking screen during OoB movements ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @gagejoseph91
      @gagejoseph91 2 місяці тому +9

      More like Shano-Albus-Shano-Albus-Shano-

    • @Oersted_LAL
      @Oersted_LAL 2 місяці тому +12

      I'm actually making a hack that lets you swap between Shanoa and Albus in OoE by abusing how the transformations work, so it's close enough

    • @eloquent2200
      @eloquent2200 2 місяці тому

      @@Oersted_LAL please tell us when it will be ready )
      Is it possible to do with Dominus?

  • @psychosalad7812
    @psychosalad7812 2 місяці тому +320

    that glitch at the end really makes you think about how cool an albus/shanoa mode would’ve been

    • @unknownuser494
      @unknownuser494 2 місяці тому +29

      I am surprised if I am right nobody has mod this in POR.

    • @MegamiShin
      @MegamiShin 2 місяці тому +21

      A What-If Mode for if Albus found out about Dominus before Shanoa lost her memories would’ve been cool.

    • @edfreak9001
      @edfreak9001 2 місяці тому +8

      i mean modding is at least in some minor way, already a thing for these games on the original ROMs, it's not out of the question i guess

    • @Oersted_LAL
      @Oersted_LAL 2 місяці тому +8

      I'm making a hack for that as we speak, even in Order of Ecclesia!

    • @jman5949
      @jman5949 2 місяці тому +7

      ALBUS! SHANOA! ALBUS! SHANOA!

  • @r.d.drowned9332
    @r.d.drowned9332 2 місяці тому +153

    That last glitch is literally Portrait of Ruin but with extra steps...

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 2 місяці тому +5

      You mean Order of Ruin? Or do you prefe Portrait of Ecclesia?

  • @ectothermic
    @ectothermic 2 місяці тому +71

    A major Dominus effect.

  • @raycat3764
    @raycat3764 2 місяці тому +27

    "Dracula has returned"
    > Act shocked.

  • @merozero2818
    @merozero2818 2 місяці тому +60

    The very visceral "Huh?!" i let out when Albus turned into Shanoa... Absolutely insane. The speedrunning community just, impresses me every day.

    • @PikangsFutaba
      @PikangsFutaba 2 місяці тому +3

      That shocked me too, my mind got blown, I can't believe how messy this game is (however you need to beat the game first before you can abuse the stuff of the speedrun).

  • @CB-L
    @CB-L 2 місяці тому +101

    Oh my, Shanoa consumed her inner Albus and learned the Glyph *_Arma Albus_*
    or Could be opposite, Albus learning _Arma Shanoa?_

    • @Wrulfy
      @Wrulfy 2 місяці тому +26

      Arma Fraternitas

  • @BoltTheEmolga
    @BoltTheEmolga 2 місяці тому +55

    So, uh, cat ended up being speedrun optimal after all? In the weirdest and most hilarious way possible but still. This is absurd though, love it so much.

  • @EarthboundBenjy
    @EarthboundBenjy 2 місяці тому +37

    Wow, the escaping from boss rush trick seems like just the sort of thing I would have been reading about on GameFAQs 15 years ago, haha. It's so interesting how it took until a modern re-release before the game had enough eyes on it for it to be discovered!

  • @Ninjaananas
    @Ninjaananas 2 місяці тому +11

    It is like Shanoa is creating wormholes through the boss rush parallel universe to skip to Skeleton Cave.

  • @pehhii
    @pehhii 2 місяці тому +23

    This one small oversight just blew up the game wide open. Can't wait to see some runs.

  • @prynxeofdarkness
    @prynxeofdarkness Місяць тому +4

    ah, so the key to defeating dracula is still the magic of brotherly love. nothing has changed

  • @feartheoldblood
    @feartheoldblood Місяць тому +2

    Shanoa has the best double jump animation in any video game, ever.

  • @JulietStMoon
    @JulietStMoon 2 місяці тому +6

    This makes me so happy. Order of Ecclesia has been my favorite Castlevania for years, and I'm happy to see it getting more love.

  • @gummiwormy5083
    @gummiwormy5083 2 місяці тому +21

    Always exciting to see new talent take these once solved runs and just completely destroy reality in the funniest ways possible.

  • @blackhogarth4049
    @blackhogarth4049 2 місяці тому +7

    "Now is the time of your demise."
    -Speedrunners to this game.

  • @DiegoG2004
    @DiegoG2004 2 місяці тому +6

    I have to wonder how almost every time speedrunners need to find a skip, dying a painful death is always one step towards finding it.

  • @JinxedPixie88
    @JinxedPixie88 2 місяці тому +8

    OF COURSE it was Hal. Hal's dedicated to cracking Castlevanias

  • @schwartzenzero7813
    @schwartzenzero7813 Місяць тому +1

    as an old player seeing this is such a bliss

  • @masterhand03
    @masterhand03 2 місяці тому +6

    I cannot believe how much bullshit was hiding behind Boss Rush this entire time. Absolutely incredible.

    • @enlongjones2394
      @enlongjones2394 2 місяці тому +7

      It’s really neat. And you can sorta see why; the game warping you to each location instead of making its own rooms for boss rush is unusual.

  • @Cuisi_
    @Cuisi_ 2 місяці тому +7

    Holy craziness! What a way to bring back Ecclesia the hype it deserves!

  • @McBobX
    @McBobX 2 місяці тому +11

    Do you know how much I waited for something to be discovered? It is the only DSVania that hasn't been destroyed!

  • @matthewmoran3851
    @matthewmoran3851 2 місяці тому +3

    From the guy who brought us Circle Nuclear brings us a game now split into 2, crazy to think about this. Good work Halgorithm!

  • @Wrulfy
    @Wrulfy 2 місяці тому +9

    I wouldn't be surprised if we found another glyph that let us do the Ignis skip with one of the glyphs available before crab.
    Imagine if after all this years vol fulgur became useful

  • @AliceErishech
    @AliceErishech 2 місяці тому +2

    I had to rewind and rewatch that Albus->Shanoa glitch a second time because it happened so quickly, lol. I literally blinked and missed it.

  • @MrBigorados
    @MrBigorados 2 місяці тому +3

    Amazing.
    Shanobus is my new favorite Castlevania character.

  • @nananamamana3591
    @nananamamana3591 2 місяці тому +2

    Finally, at long last, best girl can save the word in under half an hour just like the rest of the fellas

  • @typohnebart
    @typohnebart 2 місяці тому +1

    God, I love videos like this from you. Nice editing and very informative. Thanks Jup

  • @elfmonster3082
    @elfmonster3082 2 місяці тому +1

    It's always exciting how Speedrunning community discovers new things and brings life to older games~

  • @CovenantLazzy
    @CovenantLazzy 2 місяці тому +2

    I saw this glitch before but never thought it would change the whole category

  • @rubenabrego6762
    @rubenabrego6762 2 місяці тому

    Great video as always, and been binging your videos, cause your an absolute genius speed God runner.

  • @Gensolink
    @Gensolink 2 місяці тому +8

    we thought we would get jup to speedrun albus mode instead they broke the whole game apart. I love the speedrunning community

  • @JP54704
    @JP54704 2 місяці тому +2

    And thanks to those new glitches, the first new Sub 40 Minutes Run has finally happened!
    The sad part about this is that we no longer see the glorious Redire movement style...

  • @AlphaPHK
    @AlphaPHK 2 місяці тому +23

    6:03 I thought it said "English or Spanish" and my heart skipped a beat 💀

  • @grantsplays7980
    @grantsplays7980 2 місяці тому +2

    I never thought this day would come, will we finally be getting a JC Ecclesia speedrun?!?!?!

  • @mageius
    @mageius 2 місяці тому

    I love that my favorite ability from the Casual playthrough with the beam skeleton is used now lol.

  • @Shatter149
    @Shatter149 2 місяці тому +9

    devs: you cant exploit orders of ecclesia!!
    *decades later*
    speedrunners: are you sure about that!

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 2 місяці тому +1

      lets me wonder if two order of Ecclesia speedruns categories exist now. The "old one" thatworked for nearly 2 decades or 1 1/2 decade, and the new one being an any% run or called Portrait of Ecclesia/Order of Ruin, because it fits with the character transforming stuff.

    • @wannabecinnabon
      @wannabecinnabon 2 місяці тому +3

      @@Evilriku13 The old route is kept as "Shanoa No Major Glitches"

  • @Phant0mwolf-Productions
    @Phant0mwolf-Productions 2 місяці тому +3

    Darn. I almost got excited till I realized the boss rush only unlocks after you beat the game. I was hoping I could use it to fast level early lol

    • @YaenGamedev
      @YaenGamedev 2 місяці тому +1

      Therefore I also think it's not a valid any% run, honestly

  • @Nitchigamer
    @Nitchigamer 2 місяці тому +1

    Awesome stuff!

  • @darshio8307
    @darshio8307 2 місяці тому

    Order of ecclesia is so underrated omg
    Great video!

  • @AegixDrakan
    @AegixDrakan 2 місяці тому

    Dang. Some of those skips are madness. Downright MADNESS. :o

  • @RoseGoldenPetal
    @RoseGoldenPetal 2 місяці тому +1

    Wait so, the triggers to unlock the final approach are just beating the bosses whoa I can't wait to see what kind of times OOE Any% produces now not gonna lie this has me super excited as a viewer

  • @sashaesb
    @sashaesb 2 місяці тому

    common jupclimb banger vid etc whatever buzzwords you want idk i really enjoyed it :D

  • @xombiemike
    @xombiemike 2 місяці тому +2

    Holy monkey! This is gonna open up a lot of great runs!

  • @paulmajano
    @paulmajano 2 місяці тому +1

    I have no idea what is happening 😂

  • @AzureSymbiote
    @AzureSymbiote 2 місяці тому

    This is one of the best glitches I have ever seen!

  • @linkmax5374
    @linkmax5374 2 місяці тому

    Speaking about glitchs, I discovered something that is... Kinda weird
    I am not sure if anyone know about it
    But If you lv up while you are transforming you stats will change depending on the transformation
    I did some tasting on it and this is the results
    _____________
    I was at at Lv.24 without any equipping anything but the Melio confodere for all of those stats with exception of the red glyph (no armors or rings)
    ATK 28
    DEF 8
    STR 22
    CON 16
    INT 19
    MND 13
    LCK 9
    _____________
    when I lv up normal without any transformation it only increase the CON and INT
    CON 16 ->17
    INT 19 -> 20
    _____________
    when I lv up with arma chiroptera (bat transformation) every state is different (you need to be transform of course)
    (The first stats is when I lv normally and the second when I lv up with the transformation)
    ATK 28->38
    DEF 8->17
    STR 22->30
    CON 17->35
    INT 20->25
    MND 13->23
    LCK 9->10
    _____________
    With the arma Felix (cat transformation)
    ATK 28->42
    DEF 8->15
    STR 22->35
    CON 17->30
    INT 20->27
    MND 13-23
    LCK 9->10
    _____________
    And when you lv up with Arma Machine (the robot... I hated doing)
    ATK 28->38
    DEF 8->15
    STR 22->30
    CON 17->30
    INT 20->25
    MND 13->16
    LCK 9->10
    Also this reset after leaving the save file or lv up again, so if you lv as the cat and then suspend or lv up as shanoa you stats will reset to what should have been
    And if you lv as a cat and then lv as a cat again it doesn't increase again but you will keep the stats
    I don't know if there is anything useful on this But since I did it I thought of sharing it
    But I believe this is useless in this because you would be at lv 50 so unless the stat increase are a bigger then I think they are, I don't see it useful in this speedrun and I am not sure if this will be allowed in the glitchless.

  • @santiagowilkinson8
    @santiagowilkinson8 2 місяці тому

    Excellent video ❤

  • @Snow_Fire_Flame
    @Snow_Fire_Flame 2 місяці тому

    This is very cool, although I hope it gets a separate category. Glitches in-game are one thing, but I always think of tricks involving starting other modes as a little different since it's not just "start a new game and run with that file"... like anyone can get a lightning fast speedrun if they load an existing save file, but that's obviously "cheating", so similar confused-load shenanigans can get a little weird.

  • @Evilriku13
    @Evilriku13 2 місяці тому

    Didn't know Portrait of Ecclesia/Order of Ruin was a thing but I won't say no to it xD

  • @goldskarr
    @goldskarr 2 місяці тому +1

    Igavania continues to break in hilarious ways. Circle (technically no Iga but shut up) lets you become a nuclear meltdown, Harmony lets literally anybody, even a dumbass like me, beat the game in 10 minutes with Maxim, Aria... has something im sure, Dawn has Succubus glitch, Portrait has something i havent heard of yet, and Ecclesia becomes Portrait.
    God i love (most of) theae games.

    • @DeskoDev
      @DeskoDev 2 місяці тому +1

      Portrait has viable and absolutely nutty damage stacks now.

    • @mirkwood579
      @mirkwood579 2 місяці тому +1

      Aria has a lot of zipping through the walls/ceilings to get to the Claimh Solais very quickly, and then zipping to the final boss.

  • @jmcr7462
    @jmcr7462 Місяць тому

    Can't wait for new TAS with these glitches

  • @RolandTheJabberwocky
    @RolandTheJabberwocky 2 місяці тому

    I wonder if the Albus to Shanoa switch is tapping into leftover PoR code somehow? If not thats an insane coincidence.

  • @eldri7ch
    @eldri7ch 2 місяці тому

    WOW. I didn't know that it would be that broken.

  • @naseemhamed3488
    @naseemhamed3488 2 місяці тому

    I love your videos Jup

  • @cawill120
    @cawill120 2 місяці тому +1

    I love this game man.

  • @ClexYoshi
    @ClexYoshi 2 місяці тому

    ah, one of those end of an era moments.

  • @plabcentral630
    @plabcentral630 2 місяці тому

    This is my 4th favorite game of all time. I love to see it.

  • @kizmoko1739
    @kizmoko1739 2 місяці тому

    This is one of the best Castlevania game I've played.

  • @jeanmouloude
    @jeanmouloude 2 місяці тому

    ahh order of ecclesia my beloved
    the only game i absolutely DESTROYED by having 2 death rings equiped at all time, be max level and have max level scythe, basicaly 3 shotting dracula, and doing all of that without saving once (i thought if i finished that way i'd get a special ending ! ...nope !)
    very good video :) a bit slow on dracula tho

  • @dinnerdog8384
    @dinnerdog8384 2 місяці тому

    Wow! Insane domino effect!

    • @blittoo
      @blittoo 2 місяці тому

      Somebody would say "insane Dominus effect"

  • @krishnascarlett8289
    @krishnascarlett8289 2 місяці тому

    This is insane!!!!

  • @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32
    @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 2 місяці тому +1

    _looks at my 100 dollar copy_
    ...thank you

  • @theganjician9272
    @theganjician9272 2 місяці тому

    I wish the collection could have had sotn with the bonus levels added in. Also, if they had a budget and Konami cared enough, it would've cool to have a new mode like the MegaMan x legacy collectionto where they put all the castles together so we can go through it all and fight all the enemies and bosses from each game with all the characters

  • @kowareta7516
    @kowareta7516 2 місяці тому

    mythical algorhythm pull

  • @dearickangelonej.legaspi6686
    @dearickangelonej.legaspi6686 2 місяці тому

    My wish for more DSvania content was answered!🤩

  • @lukewood2662
    @lukewood2662 2 місяці тому +2

    It's kind of a shame to skip the whole game. Everything in it is so beautiful...

    • @grunkleg.2934
      @grunkleg.2934 2 місяці тому +3

      That's where the Glitchless category comes in

    • @EarthboundBenjy
      @EarthboundBenjy 2 місяці тому +6

      It's not like the people who do these things haven't already experienced the beautiful game normally yet. In fact, you need to beat the game in order to unlock Boss Rush in the first place.

  • @Alukardo11
    @Alukardo11 2 місяці тому

    Maybe a comunity mode can made an shanoa/albus mode

  • @Tman2bard
    @Tman2bard 2 місяці тому

    wait, isn't this the same guy who broke Circle of the Moon with the Nuclear Nathan?

  • @TheOneAndOnlySame
    @TheOneAndOnlySame 2 місяці тому +1

    CHOOOOOOOOOH 🦀

  • @ToyKeeper
    @ToyKeeper 2 місяці тому

    I love Shanoa, but I always felt like the first half of the game was a bit slow and I'd kinda prefer to start at the castle like most other Castlevania games.

  • @MitoRequiem
    @MitoRequiem 2 місяці тому

    This is Skyward Sword all over again where we thought it couldn't be broken and it ended up being more broken Twilight Princess lmao

  • @SlickDangler10
    @SlickDangler10 2 місяці тому

    Love these glitches.

  • @ScionOfBalance
    @ScionOfBalance Місяць тому

    Wonder if you can use this to start a max level 1 hard mode run and boost to level 50 and still unlock max level 255 mode?

  • @maugzsr556
    @maugzsr556 2 місяці тому

    Holy is this bonkers! I'm still going to run this game glitchless for Shanoa Any%

  • @SnesRulez
    @SnesRulez 2 місяці тому

    this is complete insanity lol

  • @nickk3403
    @nickk3403 2 місяці тому

    Honestly the DS versions are prob some the greatest vanias we ever got

  • @Lockerdown3
    @Lockerdown3 2 місяці тому

    I had been meaning to ask if the ticket glitch was possible on the original DS game, I still have a copy of it and wanted to try it for the lulz.

  • @mrbemystar
    @mrbemystar 2 місяці тому

    Now where is Harmony of Despair.

  • @daftcruz
    @daftcruz 9 днів тому

    Why there isn't many reviews about this game?

  • @LAPCGames
    @LAPCGames 2 місяці тому

    My favorite Castlevania (even if Dawn of Sorrow is really really close behind... damn the DS Castlevania were awesome) is completly broken now T-T 🦇

  • @marianoportuguezguzman6596
    @marianoportuguezguzman6596 Місяць тому

    I started a hard lvl 1 run and did this glitch, but now the save says max level 50 on normal, does still count as lvl 1 run if i complete the game with the glitch?

  • @enlongjones2394
    @enlongjones2394 2 місяці тому

    Why is the albus swap ideal for the run? Is it just to save time killing Blackmore and zipping to Eligor’s back on the way to Death? I wonder what the amount of time saved is, and how much a bad string of luck getting the arma Felix glyph could eat into that.

  • @markyjoe1990
    @markyjoe1990 2 місяці тому

    Wooooow

  • @Beyondthebat89
    @Beyondthebat89 2 місяці тому

    Am I stupid? Because I do not see a boss rush option on the menu?

  • @jmssun
    @jmssun 2 місяці тому

    I wish there is a patch to disable characters’ attack/movement voice… no more
    Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say Say 😂

  • @D3MONFIEND
    @D3MONFIEND 2 місяці тому

    Does anyone know how to do union cancel? I try union > backstep. But i have to wait for the backstep to end then i can union

    • @xenon8927
      @xenon8927 2 місяці тому

      I assume you jump to cancel the backdash, union in the air, and thenrep eat

  • @hazardousgamer3182
    @hazardousgamer3182 2 місяці тому

    Does anybody know if you can still get the Queen of hearts helmet in the
    Dominus Collection?

    • @wygolvillage2637
      @wygolvillage2637 2 місяці тому

      Queen of Hearts can be unlocked in hard mode level 50 cap

    • @hazardousgamer3182
      @hazardousgamer3182 2 місяці тому +1

      @@wygolvillage2637 thank you so much for your help I couldn't seem to find any of the information online anywhere

    • @wygolvillage2637
      @wygolvillage2637 2 місяці тому

      @@hazardousgamer3182 No worries! Same with the ability to level up to 255, it's unlocked by level 1 hard mode- not wii exclusive at all.

  • @The-Zer0th-Law
    @The-Zer0th-Law 2 місяці тому

    So Ecclesia has the best glitch now?!

  • @wygolvillage2637
    @wygolvillage2637 2 місяці тому

    hell yes

  • @indumatipngtuber2790
    @indumatipngtuber2790 Місяць тому

    Wait what-

  • @Kuchiri
    @Kuchiri 2 місяці тому

    Wouldn't this Boss Rush mode be considered a NG+ category. Since you can only unlock Boss Rush by beating the game with all villagers?

  • @eloquent2200
    @eloquent2200 2 місяці тому

    Lol! It absolutly broken!

  • @zeratulcraft
    @zeratulcraft 2 місяці тому

    What the heck!

  • @rowanfynn6518
    @rowanfynn6518 2 місяці тому

    Out of curiosity, do you start at level 50 in boss rush if your save file has a max level of 1?

    • @Wrulfy
      @Wrulfy 2 місяці тому

      Pretty sure it puts you at lv1 but with the exp accumulated from lv50.
      For example in normal mode, it is capped at lv99 (a bit less than 3M exp) if you collect even more exp, then unlock max lv255 on other file then return to that one, your level will be recalculated with the exp you have now

    • @rowanfynn6518
      @rowanfynn6518 2 місяці тому

      @@Wrulfy Guess that makes sense. Thank you!

  • @Chigurh007
    @Chigurh007 2 місяці тому

    So you can start a boss rush, then Leave and start a new campaign mode with level 50?

  • @cortbelmont
    @cortbelmont 2 місяці тому

    Maybe the succubus transform might be faster to farm if it has the same effects. I never thought this release would have such a massive effect on the Castlevania players, no doubt this games age like fine wine, it's a shame they didn't get much attention when launched and even the supposed "fans" were pieced off because IGA made them

    • @Snow_Fire_Flame
      @Snow_Fire_Flame 2 місяці тому

      It's probably because getting footage of a DS / 3DS game is quite annoying - it required special capture cards and modifications that often meant "buy from some random website selling modified DSes". Rather expensive to do unless you're really hardcore. (And yes, there was emulator of course, but not always the same.)

    • @cortbelmont
      @cortbelmont 2 місяці тому

      @@Snow_Fire_Flame when these games came out streaming or capturing wasn't "a thing", you played the game at a friend's hause or saw the demo on the store. Only way to know was from magazines and promotional material on other game's from the same publisher, discs loaded with some trailers, etc. UA-cam was on it's infancy and yeah I did some videos in 2006 maybe but we didn't think about youtube as a source for videogame stuff. These games unpopularity at release had nothing to do with promotional stuff, it was the media calling them "more of the same", "poorly made SOTN clones", the fans hating on Koji Igarashi as a director, fans ignorant to the fact that Konami wouldn't ever had made another Castlevania game after the big Castlevania 64 failure and SOTN poor reception for being 2D in a 3D obsessed world. Igarashi did great games with the miserable budget Konami gave him, and he could have done a lot better but no budget increase ever came and the fans blamed him for this "lack of quality". That's the real reason why these games failed, the self proclaimed fans hated these games and that caused the bad word about them to spread. People today free of those words are discovering the beauty of these masterpieces