The Ford Bronco Really Annoyed Me on the TFL Slip Test...and Here's Why!
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Tommy finally has an opportunity to test out the Ford Bronco on the TFL Slip Test, and...well, he ended up pretty annoyed at one point. Here's what happened!
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
0:42 How the controlled slip test works
1:12 Rear wheel slip test
2:24 Check out the latest on TFLbids!
2:49 Diagonal slip test (with surprising results!)
6:45 3-wheel slip test
10:01 Slip test in the snow, dirt & mud!
13:17 Wrap-up - Авто та транспорт
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My 2 door is about to hit 20k miles on it 🙌
i have a slip test question. you use the roller across the board but dont the wheel size matter?. a smaller wheel will sink more in between the rollers so the power needed to overcome the hump is bigger but wheels like the bronco have big tires and only need to overcome a small hump due to its size so the wheel wont sink inbetween the rollers.
just for fun, I'm going to see just how much I can't afford it. lol
okay not as bad as I thought.
You need bigger rollers
Stuck in a snow drift in Zuma my 4Runner with rear locked up made it worse, as I slid sideways deeper into the drift. I engaged the A trac and to my complete surprise it crawled right out!
A true believer.
Been missing the slip tests, been wanting to see someone do one on a F150 Tremor with the Torsen front diff. Would like to see more slip tests in the future.
Agreed!! The trucks are really hard on the rollers due to the weight of them though. May need a heavier set. Occasional tests on heavy vehicles like the Bronco aren’t too bad, but the trucks are different!! Haha. Love the Tremor you described!!
Torsen, when one wheel completely loses traction, behaves like an open diff.
Torsten is a torque bias; it ONLY EVER acts like an open diff when the wheels have equal traction.
Every other time, it requires extra energy to turn the rollers, which is how it transfers that extra energy to the wheel with grip (even when one wheel is in the air).
Now, what you refer to is when that extra energy is still not enough to move the vehicle; this is true, as when a wheel in the air only takes 5 ft/lbs of torque, the other wheel will only get 15 ft/lbs in a 3:1 Torsten bias, which isn’t enough to move it.
However, apply a little brake, and an open diff will be stuck with just the torque to overcome the brakes (maybe 30 ft/lbs), while the Torsten triples it (so 90 ft/lbs in that situation. Big difference.
Autocorrect changes Torsen to Torsten
@@Cloud30000 Torsen acts as open diff when it sees no torque on one wheel exactly because it multiplies tbr×0 to transfer to other wheel (in extreme situation). If you brake the wheel of course it will work (as you simulate friction) but then you do not really work only with Torsen. All this info is on manufacturers site and numerous videos . I have experienced this myself in an Audi quattro. And applying brake and throttle in many cars is interlocked nowdays..
These are always very interesting videos, just to see the difference in the modes and how they perform. As always, good job Tommy!
I'm taking the bronco out for its first trail run today! And it'll be a snow run!!
You guys should test a bunch more on these rollers. Even with something like a 2wd truck that has a limited slip or use a regular Silverado 4x4 that has the G80 locker.
Ahh, the G80 aka the Gov-Bomb. Let's let one tire spin a few revolutions before crash locking the differential together, what could go wrong?! Ahh - everything, ALL the time. I've even managed to kill a 14B ful floater axle with a Gov-Bomb with stock sized tires in an empty pickup from spinning a tire leaving the shoulder of a road... pathetic!
@@D3thM3tal The G80 is wonderful. You can kill anything with constant abuse and stupidity. I've driven three different pickups with it and had zero problems. And it locks up when one wheel spins 100 rpm faster, so no danger of any problem locking up.
I absolutely love that bronco. I would love to see it go through the whole course. I’m so glad you guys still have it and hope you keep it 👍🏻
The drift at the end was awesome, Tommy!
Toyota 4 Runner SR5 with all season tires being compared to a Ford Bronco Sasquatch edition, not really a fair comparison...the 4 Runner Trail Edition or TRD Pro with rear lockers would have been more appropriate.
My full time 4wd Limited with locking center diff and a-trac is pretty unstoppable too….Same system as the Landcruiser. The Bronco is bad ass….but let’s be fair to 4Runners! ✌️
I really like the new bronco, this color and model especially. I just have to wait 4-5 years till the used price is cheap enough for me to buy it.
Tommy: Let’s challenge the Bronco
Bronco: 🙄 sure let’s go waste time
What time is wasting, u clearly see it doesn’t waste any time, u gotta respect this iconic vehicle 🫡💪
For me, the test was pretty satisfying. You've shown us perhaps the finest traction control on the market. Excellent!
Bronco definitely has great traction in 2wd and 4wd compared to other vehicles I’ve driven. I would love to see the Jeep Rubicon perform these tests. Probably very similar results.
I would agree with that. Especially once front & rear lockers are engaged. Then the only difference could be tires. Physics kick in and the two have to be the same. Nonetheless it would be nice to see, maybe the next time they get a Wrangler or Gladiator Rubicon as a loaner. Hopefully with the Xtreme Recon package. Then it will be as close as apples to apples it can be vs the Bronco Sasquatch.
how about a subaru?
@@tonyhuang431 they suck
@@lawrencefranck9417 how, im talking about their symmetrical awd system is one of th best, if one hing sucks, doesnt mean every part sucks
@@tonyhuang431 You're comparnig an awd system to a 4x4 system, not the same.
I've taken our 4 door badlands in some real aggressive off road parks in the summer and in the snow and I'm flat out impressed how well the stability control works. In 2WD with the traction control off it will allow lots of wheel spin and a little angle before it does everything it can to straighten the vehicle out. Now, I like pitching vehicles sideways all winter long but I can apreciate how well this traction control system blends the lines between having fun and losing control.
The GOAT modes were intrusive to my advanced driving style (15+ years of hardcore off roading and rock crawling) but plain ol 4WD low with the lockers on/off and with the staybar disconnect it did far more that I thought it would. I was very happy to have the windshield VIEW and feel match my 74' Bronco. Within minutes I was swinging the front end inches from trees an getting real comfertable with it and had to slow down as this was a 50K+ brand new vehicle and body damage matters... Top that performance with the flawless road manners and the POWER this 2.7/10speed puts down this is quite the ultimate dual role vehicle.
If you brake and accelerate at the same time when your wheels spin you force the power to distribute evenly. Works pretty good in a pinch or on snow/ice roads.
I would have been really interested to see the affects of the different G.O.A.T. modes on the 3 wheel slip test that actually kinda stuck the Bronco. Obviously any mode that locks the diffs would be pointless.
I don't know why "modes" are even necessary in 4Low. Use mechanical lockers like Ox makes. Keep it simple. Keep it mechanical.
AWD is better with TCS/VSC.
A SelecTrac Jeep JL with Ox lockers is about perfect too. Fully open, fully locked, or adjustable in between.
“So good it’s annoying” should be the tagline for that drivetrain
Awesome demonstration! I love the videos you and your dad create. I would love to go off roading with you guys sometime. Thanks for all the tips, analysis, and vehicle reviews. This is an excellent channel!
The 3 wheel test only had to slip like a 10th of a revolution and it was moving. Impressive no doubt
Amazing performance by the Bronco!
I would love to see the Tacoma TRD Offroad or Pro in the slip test in MTS Rock mode. That’s the least slip. I use rock mode in many situations, including snow. I slow wheel a lot. If I need to go hard to get unstuck I use a more slip mode.
I noticed you’ve been doing a great job putting captions on all your videos, thank you sincerely
That thing is a beast! I'll take selectable lockers over a terrain management system any day. I currently own one of each and much prefer to be in control rather than computers
Favorite videos hands down keep it coming Tommy
I loved seeing the Bronco in the snow! Great video as always Tommy. In an odd way, felt some comfort from watching it.
I was waiting for this bronco slip test for a while. Thaklnks you guys.
I added Eaton Truetrac differentials to the front and rear of my JK. Would sure love to see some before and after testing of some aftermarket traction mods.
Have a friend with this ,he does really well .
Hope you guys do the slip test on a Lexus LX600. Curious to see how something with a center locking differential and terrain management would do.
It’ll probably be similar to my 200 series LC. Which is to say it’s very very hard to get stuck. Between the smart AWD system and miles of articulation, it’s fantastic
just an outstanding video. I'm really leaning towards possibly getting one. This really explains to me how the whole system works
I didn’t realize how big the Bronco was until I saw you in the window of it and you were so small!
Put the stubby Dodge Ram on the rollers!!!!! I could see it in the reflection on the Bronco at 9:45 ish. Why have you not done this TOMMY!
Yes!!! I was just saying this! There’s no consistency with the rollers FFS!
next week!
Speed isn't purely for momentum. You need wheelspeed to clean the mud out of the lugs. Going slow in that type mud turns any tire into slicks.
hey Tommy/TFL, if i could I'd like to make a suggestion. will your slip test work on an older 4wd without traction control, by manually modulating your brakes? basically 2 feet driving while in 4wd? I have an '08 silverado and it doesn't have any traction control, that i've noticed anyway, and i wondered how that'd work.
You have the G80 rear locker right? It should easily conquer any roller test quickly and effortlessly.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I do yes but not sure it would fool the 3 wheel with only a front on the ground.
@@PreppedinKansas ah yes indeed, I see what you mean. I’d love to know this too
I’ve done it on a atv and it’s definetly not the most effective method but it works
Tires are too large for the rollers is all.
looking forward for the ineos grenadier on that one
I have a bronco without factory lockers so this was fantastic to see. Nice to know I could just buy an air locker for the rear and bet set.
Thanks Tommy! The slip test made our day!
During the 3-wheel slip test where BOTH rears are slipping and only 1 FRONT has traction...could you test to see if 4A will do the whole "apply the brakes at the slipping wheels" logic that the Trail-Control does?
Really like these slip tests. Would love to see more. Please try a Rivian when possible. That Bronco is a beast!
We like them to ;)
So here is my question. How do you like the retractable top over the front seats? I have a 2dr Badlands Squatch with hard top and have been looking at that but would like to know from others how good it really is as far as noise. I love my hard top but would like to open the front without having to deal with the panels.
At the Bronco Off Roadeo I went to in Texas we went up and down some crazy terrain just using One Pedal Drive. We went up an off camber and rough hill at .5mph which put the truck at 40 degrees tilt up and 10 degrees driver. It went up no problem. We then went down the other side which at one point had a front end drop which put it at 43 degrees down. It handled it perfectly. The one pedal drive is pretty amazing.
A trac works ok, normal traction control in Touaregs and Land Rovers work even better though and it's just traction control, no special button or modes needed and they work at highway speeds. Bronco did amazing, not surprised, it's the real deal and nothing beats real selectable lockers for off roading.
that slowmo shot at the end was hype. Nothing like a 4wheel full locked burnout in mud
Need to test a mid 2000s WK or commander with the “QuadraDrive II” system. Will blow you away on the rollers
Exactly
I think CRAWL control is better on the Toyota but out of the dealer. The Bronco is probably the most capable off the lot without any mods.
you guys should do a base bronco to really show how good the 4x4 is
It would fail both 3 wheel roller tests
I am curious to see how these last over a few years.
Indeed. Hope it doesn’t fall apart like a Range Rover after a few years
@@benh5774
Range rover is unibody but bronco is full frame so should last longer
I love TFL content with my Saturday morning coffee. Have a great weekend @Tommy
How would it do on the 3 tire slip in 4a?
I was wondering the same thing
So the takeaway from this is even if you don't have a locker the trail turn assist is able to lock the differential as well?
I love these slip tests. I would love if it you guys could put the Ram 1500 Backcountry with the factory off road package on the slip test and test the Auto 4wd and also how it does with just having a rear locker.
Love that Tommy wears his seat belt during the slip test. Who can tell? The Bronco could flip.
I’d love to see an off-road test between open diff 4wd and 2wd with a locker. There some good trucks available that will do a lot of what most people need with a selectable locker instead of the costs of 4wd.
I'm interested in this too, more specifically because I'm considering a full size van and debating how much of a disadvantage it's at with just a locker vs doing a 4x4 conversion or a 4x4 truck.
Yeah, sure.
I worked with a guy that had a 2wd Tacoma with the rear locker. With decent tires it worked really well. You’d have to be a little careful and make sure to carry momentum but I’d bet it was about as good as a 4wd with open diffs.
Nice video ! I would love to see the regular Maverick in those tests, the regular awd one not the tremor.
What factor so those Goodyears have? How well do you rate them? Was thinking about them for my FJ Cruiser
“Diagnal”😂😂😂
Nice video, not to short, not to long, informative, entertaining and some off reading. What more could anybody want?? A++
Make more Bronco videos!
Have y'all taken the three electric trucks on the off-road course? I'd love to see how they work stock and with some super good tires
Amazing , bro 🙏
It looks like you were on frames of rollers in diagonal test at 4:35 ... it takes lots of wheel spins to make it move in same situations out in real terrain even in your video later and on DrivingSports videos too which is no big deal since lockers are there, but i really believe the a-trac is still bit quicker to respond
The wheel speed is actually a traction aid as it cleans out the tread letting the tires do their job.
TFL Offroad- Please put every vehicle through the slip test!!
Please do a test of wrangler or gladiator to compare! It would also be interesting to see a comparison of each models trim levels.
Ngl it’s kinda cool how it can be 4WD and AWD at the same time
Could yall do the other 4x4 trucks. I have the same ram 2500 yall do and I would be interested to see how it compares.
I'd love to see this slip test on a non-rubicon JL. I had atrac on my 2005 4Runner and was super impressed. I know my new Jeep has a similar system, but I haven't had it stuck enough to see how it works
More TFL slip tests!!
You're the best! This is my obligatory comment to enhance your UA-cam algorithm performance.
Cool video. This may be the first Ford I own.
You guys are great! Big fan since the beginning. Could you please do a slip test with your Willy's Jeep(Manual transmission, and no manual lockers)? Please, please, please?
Good testing Tommy. I noticed that when you have all wheels spinning and touch the brake the vehicle lunges forward: that was only when the vehicle wouldn't move. Touching brakes while stuck has always been part of getting unstuck when all else fails.
Is there somewhere where we can see your comprehensive rankings of how cars compare on slip testing?
I wonder if trying to ride the brakes manually will accomplish the same result as the trail assist?
Fantastic video. So I gather that that vehicle is the best factory four wheel drive vehicle ever made?
I found it frustrating that when you’re in the slippery snot the advance track keeps kicking in and even when you press the disengage for 5 seconds it will reengage under unknown conditions. Stopping, changing gears? Let me know what you found.
Impressive! I must admit I am really not a fan of ford but this wow. I own a Jeep Rubicon that is awesome but the Bronco impressed me. Great video!!! I really appreciate to see your slip testing. Its the best test.
It’s actually an amazing car on road and off road. I own one, and I’m impressed
The lockers engaged so smoothly and so easily on that Bronco
i'd love to see you try the slip test with a Wrangler...
E28 😮😮. Thanks for the video
how is that transfer case holding up? I have heard of problems
Diggin that cheezey background music!
I think the weight has a factor to play, and also the size of the tires too.
I would love to see this test on a Wrangler/Gladiator please
Simulation of differential locking using brakes was used about 3 decades ago- for example Audis had it in 1990s (both fwd and awd) just to name one example. I have hard time understanding fascination with something that old. Now just sensors and programing are little more sofisticated
Bronco Pron. Love it!
If you want a real shock, you should try the Highlander with "Torque Vectoring". I does all of that absolutely automatically with no modes, switches or gimmicks at all. Completely seamless, with no ABS noises, absolutely satin smooth, you aren't even aware of what it's doing besides effortlessly moving no matter what. A real step up from my Tacoma, FJ, 4Runner and two Tundras in the traction department.
Nothing beats mechanical lockers buddy.
You are not wrong if you are needing a true offroad machine they are the only way to go. But if you want a real unstoppable grocery getter, you can't beat a Highlander with torque vectoring :)
Is there a center locker as well? Limited slip?
Great performance by both
Did you do this test with the tan gladiator?
I'd love to see the defender on the rollers.
What a beast of a machine!
I wanted to see more of a test of the different modes while on slip test to
See if that worked any.
Very frustrating he didn't do that
Do you need a 2023 Tundra TRD Pro for this test? I am in the Denver area.
Love the roller tests!
Oh yes 👍
I love TFL. Thanks for the great review. I have a BaseSquatch. Offroad if I have 2 wheels in the air w 4WD it wont move. ONLY when I activate the lockers I can move. The basic 4WD system is open diffs. I wish the basic 4WD system was more capable and had limited slip function. If you are going offroad you really need the lockers. The Jeep and Toyota is much more capable in their base 4WD systems. I wish Ford would have addressed this issue.
If it had a solid front axle, I'd agree with your opening statement.
Great object lesson in why Bronco is best!
I love that car. It was great to see how good it is in difficult conditions. Now I love it even more than before. Santa, you know what to do. Kidding, it's not gonna happen. Anyway I enjoy watching your videos, thank you so much! As someone else said... time for the Jeep to be tested.
It's not a car.
Again an amazing slip test
The video editor is loving that 80s sound
Haha I’m in my mid 50s but the 80s was a hell of time for me. Prosperity and cocaine 😂
@@haroldbeauchamp3770
Cocaine’s a helluva drug
-Rick James
What was the song title , if you will
Thanx in advance