Thank you for putting this together for the world to see. To me it brings both happy and sad tears. Happy, because it's my favorite place on earth. Sad tears because I will be 56 this January 2024. Not that my age would ever stop me but because I have scoliosis and I can't make it to the springs anymore. Thank you for this also because I never hiked up to fossil springs. Cheers to you Verde Hot Springs, may you be peaceful forever ☮️♾️
I’m so glad that we can take you along! Isn’t it funny how we have our favorite places, just a picture or a smell can transport right back to that spot. This is a beautiful area! I’m sorry you are no longer able to make it there in person. We are headed back to Arizona for the winter…. Any other spots we need to check out?
Wow! What a magical place. The water running down the hill underneath the ice was really cool. And Dave!?! Waterfall jumping? Who knew? Loved this video.
What a fantastic vlog! That is one trip I wouldn't want to do alone. I'd definitely have to caravan with others! Thank you so very much for sharing all the beauty of the USA that most of us will never experience. 💞😊 God bless you and keep you safe!
I only liked this video enough to watch it twice. I can't believe someone accidentally gave a thumbs down. People really need to pay more attention. Great vid guys. You've really turned it up a notch or two lately.
@@oneadVANtureatatime I do plan on traveling sloooowly😁. I won't get the van until April, its being built now. I can't wait to start the conversion into an RV. I hope it comes out as well as yours.
I like your style with your photos, videos, and drone footage. Found you from Chromes channel. So of course I had to become a patron. Keep up the good work and look after that precious Roodle, the star of the show.
Road tripping with son and dogs to help mom who is house bound outside Yosemite for a weekish. Then through Utah, AZ, New Mexico on the way back. You have give some great spots for my son and I to try and stay for a couple days each using a bell tent and Van combo. Thanks you.
Sounds like a good trip! We love Utah and Arizona and have spent lots of time exploring these states. If you have any questions about places to stay for free please let us know. You can also check out our other videos if you have time. 😀
It's my favorite place on earth. I've been in the water at this place in all kinds of weather even in the winter and it's still hot . I miss that place!!!
I just love your videos!! How beautiful are the places that you share with us! What a life your dog has, all dogs would run like a manic out in the wild! Be safe.
Weird to see ice and you guys are in your shorts and sandals :) What an amazing life for a dog!!! Awesome rocks! What a beauty spot you guys! I would sleep like a baby by those falls. Loved your little detour and also you new friend Paul.
Paul is just the kind of person you hope to meet along the way! Pretty cool to have live music around the campfire. Thank you for all the kindness and happy travels to you.😀
Oh my goodness, what a great video and adventure. It all looks so amazing and fun. You captured the feel of the area beautifully. Great job. Excited for the next adventure! xo
That rock with the hole through it looks like volcanic rock and when it flows around trees it can harden and burn the tree away leaving a hole where the tree was. We have this near Mt. Saint Helens on the way to the Ape caves
Wow! I noted you all making your way up that hill after you visit to the hot spring. looked like your Promaster had a little skip/jump/slip on that upward incline! How was that for you? bet it was kinda that uneasy feeling for ya-all. I have a 2021 Promaster hi top 136" that I camp it i would be TERRIFIED TO try what you did.... Im happy you got up safely. I wanted to ask the burning question now; have you ever pulled a trailer with your Promaster at anytime? If so what was the weight of your tow vehicle if I may ask. how did you feel during and after your time pulling... thank you both!
Ive been going to Childs Hot Springs (Verde Hot Springs) since I can remember. It's in my backyard basically. Please take care of this beautiful special place when you visit! You dont need 4x4 I took my minivan. The reason for the power lines is childs use to be a power plant. The hot spring was a resort built in 1920 and burnt down in 1962 and what remains is the foundation of the bath houses.. whatever you do dont bring children to the hot spring.. clothing is optional fyi especially at night... which is absolutely the best!!! Under the stars naked... it's amazing. Bring candles if you do go at night just remember you gotta walk back across the river and at night... burrrr...
Yes, we were uncomfortable having our dog there because of the steep unguarded drop down to the river. We always bring a bag to pick up garbage on our way out to help keep these free amazing springs open. What an incredible night sky! You have nerves of steel driving down that last stretch to the camping area! Nice job. Tonight we are at Meadow hot spring in Utah. Not sure if you have been to this one but it's also amazing but not a hidden gem like Verda. Thank you for watching and for the history information! 😀
Wow...I looked this place this up on u tube because I have fond memories of living there one summer in the late 70s, and now one can go places by others cameras... My b.f. n I hitchhiked everywhere in those days so I don't even remember the dirt road (being a passenger in someone's car)..but I do remember the springs looking like they do here. We had made a campsite across the river and back then there Was some sort of parking area near the water because other campers were scattered about, and believe it or not, when it came time to go get food stamps ( our main life support), the social worker in cottonwood actually brought her coworker, with thier clipboards, right to the parking area where we met them and led them thru the brush to our 'campsite' which was not where we actually slept. Seeing these highheeled ladies actually approving this as our place of residence was pretty funny. I doubt they'd do that today. But then, the bf, a Vietnam vet just returned from jungle combat fatigue...wanted to walk us down river to Camp Verde, using his mental radar. It was June. He estimated 10-20 miles as a crow flies..We walked along the river a few hours till it got too hot, and then he said, let's go that way, which he thought was the directest way to town. I was scared to leave the waters side but I was like 22 and I trusted his senses. We made it to a ranch before nightfall, and then to a store somewhere, I remember eating an icecream bar.. then got a ride to Cottonwood where he knew a lady who had a house and rented rooms to needy folks. I didn't become a car driver for a few more years... Now I have a van w high clearance, so thanks for showing the road situation. I'm just soooooo happy to see it's still raw as it was back then. I was the healthiest I've ever been living along that river, and others in the area, as in those days, the term homeless wasnit used, because it was a pure choice to live by rivers and hotsprings, caves too! Thanks again for the video, glad you guys live that way😍
Absolutely can’t beat live music at a campfire. Looks very cool to go to hot springs but being that I’d be on my own I’m glad I saw you guys do it. I don’t think I’d risk the drive back up on my own. I love tagging along on your adventures. Are you guys going to the Open Roads Festival in Idaho in June? I went last year in a rented van and had a great time. As always great footage.
The ”Open Roads festival ”in Idaho sounds fun! This might work out on our way to Alaska. All be doing some research on it soon. Thank you so much for the tip. Take care and happy travels.
Awesome! We are still considering the Open Roads Festival. The only thing we don’t like is how late in June it is. That might put us in a rush to get to Palmer. Pretty bad when 20 days sounds like a rush 😂 We hope to hit some hot springs up in Canada on the way. Any how lots to think about. We would of course love to caravan with you if everything works out! Carrie says it might work out just fine. 😀
Is that the only way to the hot springs or can you drive to them? Roodle is such a tooper. The rock with with the round tunnel was really cool. Lou & Angie 💚❤
That's the only way to them now, I am guessing at one time they had a nice bridge to get in. That rock was cool! Roodle gets so excited when we go for hikes. It's a pretty good dogs life 🐕
OMG, what a gorgeous place, you guys are the best. So far this is the best video, now I know where to go next year. But definitely not alone have to fine some partners in crime, lol. Your drone footage were awesome. Take care, especially your little 🐶
Thank you so much for all the kind words! This location is a real gem and not overcrowded like many other hot springs. A partner in crime is a smart idea, this is a pretty remote area on a long and bumpy road. Take care and happy travels. 👱🙋🐕
If its a car..I would advise against it! Its way the heck out there. If you have a spare tire and are able to fix it yourself, or, you go with a group you might be okay. Just remember there is no cell reception.
It looked so cool, like so much fun!! Hopefully, we get a chance to go hiking someday! I'm sure we'll meet on the road again, or you can come up for Vananza in the summer (Aug 14-16 in Ontario) Safe travels!!
We will be heading up to Alaska this year for Vanstock, just outside of Palmer. We hope to make it back for another El Campo in the fall. Be super fun to meet up again 😎
Travels of Heather and Curtis I am guessing we will still be in Alaska in Aug. Is ”Vananza” your van event? Either way will see you this year hopefully 😀
+Common Sense this is true...BUT not that easy with the Promaster. You see the tire is commercial rated at 10 ply... it is thick! The problem being is re-inflating the tire. We have to go to a tire shop if we need air at 65psi in front and 80psi in back. We’ve yet to find any gas station that can match that psi and no room for a hurky portable air pump. When we had our Jeep Wrangler we aired down all the time and it worked great!
Lot of az dirt roads are like eagle county co road grading is not happening sad it make many stay away but maybe if they fined the side by side who destroying the road they could fix them
That drone that you have is it pretty easy to operate? I enjoyed the music by the campfire! When are y’all going to start shipping your van to other countries? It kind of seems like several other you tubers are doing this
one adVANture at a time Looks like you could go to Russia from Alaska real cheap,Eamon&Bec and Trent & Allie are some of of UA-camrs that are over seas
I've always wanted to resurrect some old hot spring hotel, because there are many that I think would be viable again today. This one would be so so cool if it weren't for the tough terrain. AND, I notice Dave is sporting a military haircut. I 'spec it fits the sink better if washing from behind the passenger's seat to the back, so I won't complain, but I prefer the old Dave. Let me know if you need more tea and soap!
+cesalt Dave I would love to travel back in time to see this hotel. Dave actually has a Mohawk😂 he wanted one 🤷♀️ Roodle has a matching one😂 good on tea ☕️ for now...I have been drinking too much soda. And I just opened the soap😃 thank you
I was wondering how the van was holding out and what kind of mileage do you have on it now. I've been considering on buying a 2500 but I don't know if I should buy new or used what about the same mileage you guys got when you get yours thanks for taking us along with you
We camped out here a couple years ago, we walked up to the hot springs and there were two naked dues and an 8 year old girl with burns on her face. It was kinds awkward. Other than that, it was awesome.
Winding roads are peaceful to watch when someone else is doing the driving. I wish I was in that hot spring right now. I'm in bed with a inflamed SI joint and periformis muscle. OUCHIE. Roodle isn't afraid of anything....is he vaccinated for Rattlesnake bites?
Did you pan for gold? Did you ever find any valuables in your travels? Did Roodle ever surprise a snake or vis-versa? You definitely believe being off the beaten path, but great outdoor beauty!!!
Did a little panning for gold but found most of my gold with a metal detector. Was a very enjoyable hobby. Roodle had not met any snakes yet thankfully 🐶
I can't believe people felt so self important to paint over all the original artwork. Next time I boat the Verde I don't think I will be happy seeing the place over used.
The random guy tells you that was a copy of the “original” painting … and you bought that? LOL I’ve been a visitor there for over 50 years … pick your original.
Thank you for putting this together for the world to see. To me it brings both happy and sad tears. Happy, because it's my favorite place on earth. Sad tears because I will be 56 this January 2024. Not that my age would ever stop me but because I have scoliosis and I can't make it to the springs anymore. Thank you for this also because I never hiked up to fossil springs. Cheers to you Verde Hot Springs, may you be peaceful forever ☮️♾️
I’m so glad that we can take you along! Isn’t it funny how we have our favorite places, just a picture or a smell can transport right back to that spot. This is a beautiful area! I’m sorry you are no longer able to make it there in person. We are headed back to Arizona for the winter…. Any other spots we need to check out?
The water features and sunset are the nicest part of this adventure.
Wow! What a magical place. The water running down the hill underneath the ice was really cool. And Dave!?! Waterfall jumping? Who knew? Loved this video.
What a fantastic vlog! That is one trip I wouldn't want to do alone. I'd definitely have to caravan with others! Thank you so very much for sharing all the beauty of the USA that most of us will never experience. 💞😊 God bless you and keep you safe!
I only liked this video enough to watch it twice. I can't believe someone accidentally gave a thumbs down. People really need to pay more attention. Great vid guys. You've really turned it up a notch or two lately.
Thank you so much! We appreciate the kind words. We still need some work on our audio but slowly getting better. 😀
Great adventure, for me that's better than a day at Disneyland.
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We completely agree! I have a feeling you could make it to the campground in your future set up. Plan on staying the whole week if you go there. 😀
@@oneadVANtureatatime I do plan on traveling sloooowly😁.
I won't get the van until April, its being built now. I can't wait to start the conversion into an RV. I hope it comes out as well as yours.
No comparison. I have never liked Disney.
@@samanthadodd8112 never been. For that kind of money I always travel abroad
Gorgeous! Hairy road, though. Lol. That sunset was amazing. Carrie is doing great work with the editing, as usual. Very nicely done. 🙂
I say this every video but y’all find the absolute best places! How nice to have it to yourselves. Enjoyed Paul’s 🎶 music! Hey Roodle ! 🐾 😊
Paul is a great guy! I hope our paths cross again. Thank you again for the kindness. 😀
Very cool spot interesting history. You guys can find the best spots. HAPPY TRAILS
I like your style with your photos, videos, and drone footage. Found you from Chromes channel. So of course I had to become a patron. Keep up the good work and look after that precious Roodle, the star of the show.
Road tripping with son and dogs to help mom who is house bound outside Yosemite for a weekish. Then through Utah, AZ, New Mexico on the way back. You have give some great spots for my son and I to try and stay for a couple days each using a bell tent and Van combo. Thanks you.
Sounds like a good trip! We love Utah and Arizona and have spent lots of time exploring these states. If you have any questions about places to stay for free please let us know. You can also check out our other videos if you have time. 😀
It's my favorite place on earth. I've been in the water at this place in all kinds of weather even in the winter and it's still hot . I miss that place!!!
I just love your videos!! How beautiful are the places that you share with us! What a life your dog has, all dogs would run like a manic out in the wild! Be safe.
Thank you so much! Roodle deserves the best 😀 He gets so excited when we go for hikes.
Weird to see ice and you guys are in your shorts and sandals :) What an amazing life for a dog!!! Awesome rocks! What a beauty spot you guys! I would sleep like a baby by those falls. Loved your little detour and also you new friend Paul.
Paul is just the kind of person you hope to meet along the way! Pretty cool to have live music around the campfire. Thank you for all the kindness and happy travels to you.😀
Hell, I used to travel that road in a Toyota Corolla. I’m not kidding either. Circa 1970. Love that place.
Oh my goodness, what a great video and adventure. It all looks so amazing and fun. You captured the feel of the area beautifully. Great job. Excited for the next adventure! xo
Beautiful place! Safe travels
This is wonderful! Thanks for sharing guys!
You are very welcome.
That rock with the hole through it looks like volcanic rock and when it flows around trees it can harden and burn the tree away leaving a hole where the tree was. We have this near Mt. Saint Helens on the way to the Ape caves
That totally makes sense! I would probably never have guessed. I love Oregon! Take care and have a good night.
Another great video, love the adventure you take us on!
Thank you for the kind words! Thank you for watching us and joining the journey 😀
Oh… And I made it all the way down to the campgrounds and the river… in my 74 Corolla.. 😅 It was a challenge but well worth it!
Wow! I noted you all making your way up that hill after you visit to the hot spring. looked like your Promaster had a little skip/jump/slip on that upward incline! How was that for you? bet it was kinda that uneasy feeling for ya-all. I have a 2021 Promaster hi top 136" that I camp it i would be TERRIFIED TO try what you did.... Im happy you got up safely. I wanted to ask the burning question now; have you ever pulled a trailer with your Promaster at anytime? If so what was the weight of your tow vehicle if I may ask. how did you feel during and after your time pulling... thank you both!
Ive been going to Childs Hot Springs (Verde Hot Springs) since I can remember. It's in my backyard basically. Please take care of this beautiful special place when you visit! You dont need 4x4 I took my minivan. The reason for the power lines is childs use to be a power plant. The hot spring was a resort built in 1920 and burnt down in 1962 and what remains is the foundation of the bath houses.. whatever you do dont bring children to the hot spring.. clothing is optional fyi especially at night... which is absolutely the best!!! Under the stars naked... it's amazing. Bring candles if you do go at night just remember you gotta walk back across the river and at night... burrrr...
Yes, we were uncomfortable having our dog there because of the steep unguarded drop down to the river. We always bring a bag to pick up garbage on our way out to help keep these free amazing springs open. What an incredible night sky! You have nerves of steel driving down that last stretch to the camping area! Nice job. Tonight we are at Meadow hot spring in Utah. Not sure if you have been to this one but it's also amazing but not a hidden gem like Verda. Thank you for watching and for the history information! 😀
Another great adventure. I need to check this area out before April (permits).
Good plan! Not to mention this area gets hot in May.
Loved this. Beautiful.
Where did you park?
You seem like nice people. I enjoyed this video. Keep making them!
Thank you for the kind words 😀
Wow...I looked this place this up on u tube because I have fond memories of living there one summer in the late 70s, and now one can go places by others cameras...
My b.f. n I hitchhiked everywhere in those days so I don't even remember the dirt road (being a passenger in someone's car)..but I do remember the springs looking like they do here. We had made a campsite across the river and back then there Was some sort of parking area near the water because other campers were scattered about, and believe it or not, when it came time to go get food stamps ( our main life support), the social worker in cottonwood actually brought her coworker, with thier clipboards, right to the parking area where we met them and led them thru the brush to our 'campsite' which was not where we actually slept. Seeing these highheeled ladies actually approving this as our place of residence was pretty funny. I doubt they'd do that today.
But then, the bf, a Vietnam vet just returned from jungle combat fatigue...wanted to walk us down river to Camp Verde, using his mental radar. It was June. He estimated 10-20 miles as a crow flies..We walked along the river a few hours till it got too hot, and then he said, let's go that way, which he thought was the directest way to town. I was scared to leave the waters side but I was like 22 and I trusted his senses. We made it to a ranch before nightfall, and then to a store somewhere, I remember eating an icecream bar.. then got a ride to Cottonwood where he knew a lady who had a house and rented rooms to needy folks.
I didn't become a car driver for a few more years...
Now I have a van w high clearance, so thanks for showing the road situation.
I'm just soooooo happy to see it's still raw as it was back then. I was the healthiest I've ever been living along that river, and others in the area, as in those days, the term homeless wasnit used, because it was a pure choice to live by rivers and hotsprings, caves too!
Thanks again for the video, glad you guys live that way😍
Thanks
Absolutely can’t beat live music at a campfire. Looks very cool to go to hot springs but being that I’d be on my own I’m glad I saw you guys do it. I don’t think I’d risk the drive back up on my own. I love tagging along on your adventures. Are you guys going to the Open Roads Festival in Idaho in June? I went last year in a rented van and had a great time. As always great footage.
The ”Open Roads festival ”in Idaho sounds fun! This might work out on our way to Alaska. All be doing some research on it soon. Thank you so much for the tip. Take care and happy travels.
one adVANture at a time I’m hoping to go and to Van stock. You guys are such awesome travelers you could lead a caravan like the pied piper🚐❤️
Awesome! We are still considering the Open Roads Festival. The only thing we don’t like is how late in June it is. That might put us in a rush to get to Palmer. Pretty bad when 20 days sounds like a rush 😂 We hope to hit some hot springs up in Canada on the way. Any how lots to think about. We would of course love to caravan with you if everything works out! Carrie says it might work out just fine. 😀
Dave..that was some good footage. You're almost getting good as Carrie lol
Thank you 😂 Trust me all never catch up 😀
Great adventure!
Is that the only way to the hot springs or can you drive to them?
Roodle is such a tooper.
The rock with with the round tunnel was really cool.
Lou & Angie 💚❤
That's the only way to them now, I am guessing at one time they had a nice bridge to get in. That rock was cool! Roodle gets so excited when we go for hikes. It's a pretty good dogs life 🐕
OMG, what a gorgeous place, you guys are the best. So far this is the best video, now I know where to go next year. But definitely not alone have to fine some partners in crime, lol. Your drone footage were awesome. Take care, especially your little 🐶
Thank you so much for all the kind words! This location is a real gem and not overcrowded like many other hot springs. A partner in crime is a smart idea, this is a pretty remote area on a long and bumpy road. Take care and happy travels. 👱🙋🐕
I wonder if my Honda Civic will be able to go through these rough roads?
If its a car..I would advise against it! Its way the heck out there. If you have a spare tire and are able to fix it yourself, or, you go with a group you might be okay. Just remember there is no cell reception.
I MISS THE SPRINGS!!!
It looked so cool, like so much fun!! Hopefully, we get a chance to go hiking someday! I'm sure we'll meet on the road again, or you can come up for Vananza in the summer (Aug 14-16 in Ontario) Safe travels!!
We will be heading up to Alaska this year for Vanstock, just outside of Palmer. We hope to make it back for another El Campo in the fall. Be super fun to meet up again 😎
Awesome! You can always stop by our event on your way. Lol I think we're heading to el Campo this year too.
Travels of Heather and Curtis I am guessing we will still be in Alaska in Aug. Is ”Vananza” your van event? Either way will see you this year hopefully 😀
I hope you reduce the air in your tyres will improve ride and increased traction or less wheel spin.
+Common Sense this is true...BUT not that easy with the Promaster. You see the tire is commercial rated at 10 ply... it is thick! The problem being is re-inflating the tire. We have to go to a tire shop if we need air at 65psi in front and 80psi in back. We’ve yet to find any gas station that can match that psi and no room for a hurky portable air pump. When we had our Jeep Wrangler we aired down all the time and it worked great!
Lot of az dirt roads are like eagle county co road grading is not happening sad it make many stay away but maybe if they fined the side by side who destroying the road they could fix them
That drone that you have is it pretty easy to operate? I enjoyed the music by the campfire! When are y’all going to start shipping your van to other countries? It kind of seems like several other you tubers are doing this
Does Canada count😂 perhaps Mexico next year. The whole shipping our van sounds so EXTREMELY stressful! Plus we don’t have the money 💰
one adVANture at a time Looks like you could go to Russia from Alaska real cheap,Eamon&Bec and Trent & Allie are some of of UA-camrs that are over seas
We love watching our fellow UA-camrs/vanlifers! Perhaps when we get famous like Trent & Allie -- Eamon & Bec!
Poor Roodle dog would be in lock up for 30 days upon return from overseas. There could be additional quarantines in Europe.
I've always wanted to resurrect some old hot spring hotel, because there are many that I think would be viable again today. This one would be so so cool if it weren't for the tough terrain. AND, I notice Dave is sporting a military haircut. I 'spec it fits the sink better if washing from behind the passenger's seat to the back, so I won't complain, but I prefer the old Dave. Let me know if you need more tea and soap!
+cesalt Dave I would love to travel back in time to see this hotel. Dave actually has a Mohawk😂 he wanted one 🤷♀️ Roodle has a matching one😂
good on tea ☕️ for now...I have been drinking too much soda. And I just opened the soap😃 thank you
@@oneadVANtureatatime Well now you have me thinking about a mohawk when *I* hit the road!
cesalt Dave says it’s super easy to wash and keep clean
Perfect detour.
I was wondering how the van was holding out and what kind of mileage do you have on it now. I've been considering on buying a 2500 but I don't know if I should buy new or used what about the same mileage you guys got when you get yours thanks for taking us along with you
We are up to 65k miles now. So far so good 😀 I think we bought it around 29k miles for 25k. We still love our van, happy travels.
We camped out here a couple years ago, we walked up to the hot springs and there were two naked dues and an 8 year old girl with burns on her face. It was kinds awkward. Other than that, it was awesome.
That does sound awkward! We also had an awkward experience there with a young couple that got a little to frisky 😢
What breed of dog is Roodle?
Roodle is a labradoodle 😀 He is a very happy boy that gets along with everyone, especially children.
@@oneadVANtureatatime He's a handsome lad.
Winding roads are peaceful to watch when someone else is doing the driving. I wish I was in that hot spring right now. I'm in bed with a inflamed SI joint and periformis muscle. OUCHIE. Roodle isn't afraid of anything....is he vaccinated for Rattlesnake bites?
been to a bunch of these and been to this one... gross and lukewarm... sorry... TRUTH
Did you pan for gold? Did you ever find any valuables in your travels? Did Roodle ever surprise a snake or vis-versa? You definitely believe being off the beaten path, but great outdoor beauty!!!
Did a little panning for gold but found most of my gold with a metal detector. Was a very enjoyable hobby. Roodle had not met any snakes yet thankfully 🐶
I can't believe people felt so self important to paint over all the original artwork. Next time I boat the Verde I don't think I will be happy seeing the place over used.
The random guy tells you that was a copy of the “original” painting … and you bought that? LOL I’ve been a visitor there for over 50 years … pick your original.
LV your video's. Do u know what kind of rock by the falls? Oh ya, U stealing grooming tips from Chrome.
Too funny! Maybe I should get some hair die. 😎
@@oneadVANtureatatime no, u don't need hair die. It looked like u had a mohawk. 🤪
Terry Newell Carrie gave Roodle and I both a Mohawk 😛 You are correct lol
Last time I was there, someone took a XXXX in the water and the XXXX was floating in there. Just saying.
That's sad to hear 😢Thank you for the warning. Getting dirty in the Verde has a few meanings we are learning.