Will my abandoned, broken International B275 Tractor start - and what's wrong with it?

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  • Опубліковано 30 сер 2022
  • Hello everyone,
    Today we're looping back to the very first episode of LMM, when Lawrie took out his International tractor for a drive.
    A few episodes later, it died, never to feature again. So today, Lawrie's decided to find out just why it stopped running, and what can be done to get it to run again.
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  • @lloydpenfold486
    @lloydpenfold486 Рік тому +16

    Always start by checking flow from the tank (even at the lift pump). Saves hours of looking & finding nothing, and not knowing why. The 'hunting' is the govenor mechanism, at the opposite end of the injection pump to the drive input. There should be a (very) large nut or screw to remove for inspection, just add half pint of engine oil there and run the engine. Almost always sorts it.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +5

      It shares oil with the engine, it's got a side panel that removes for inspection, but that's about it.

  • @woozleboy
    @woozleboy Рік тому +17

    Love the sound of a diesel. They have a certain organic life sound to them. The heart beats the soul sings, and the wheels turn!
    Ever have a go at a Fairmont Railway speeder? Air cooled twin flywheel hit and miss engine with belt drive, no transmission. If you want to go backwards, you shut off, move the timer handle to the opposite end of the throw and crank the engine by hand... BACKWARDS. It really does run in reverse revolution!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +4

      I've heard of them - but never been lucky enough to get a go!

  • @mattwills87
    @mattwills87 Рік тому +11

    The sludge is probably diesel bug I only heard about it a month or two ago. From what I remember you can buy some treatment that also cleans the fuel system.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +3

      It'll get some cleaner in there as a temporary measure

  • @thomasss3320
    @thomasss3320 Рік тому +15

    Nice to see it running again, might have a sticky governor system, its hunting a bit.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +2

      Just a little.... Needs investigation!

  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith Рік тому +7

    Tip - When blowing the **** out of a bunged up fuel (or oil) line make sure the "open" end is not pointing towards any washing blowing merrily in the breeze.......

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +4

      Have you learnt from experience

    • @18robsmith
      @18robsmith Рік тому +5

      @@lmm I'm pleading the 5th......

  • @DOSn3rd
    @DOSn3rd Рік тому +10

    If the surging disappears completely under load I would guess the problem is excessive slop somewhere in the governor mechanism.
    Under low load conditions when just a little throttle is needed the linkages then have a delay between when throttle is needed and when it is actually communicated to the injection pump, causing surging.
    On the lawn mower governors I have seen there is often a spring in parallel to some linkages that acts as a thightener-upper-thingy so that any slop is eliminated. As long as the spring is strong enough to counteract any force from the governor it should work.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I had thought maybe the spring in the governer was knackered!

    • @jackprice8450
      @jackprice8450 Рік тому +1

      @@lmm usually the fuel pump timing why they hunt with the early inline pump engine like yours. You Need to adjust the timing until it starts Ok but doesn't hunt.

  • @whippee2
    @whippee2 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video, thanks. I went through the same situation last year with mine. Plenty of swearing involved!! 😂

  • @judicator375
    @judicator375 Рік тому +24

    would it not have made sense to try and clean the fuel tank a bit of the sludge, or is that not a practical thing to do?

    • @Honeydwarf85
      @Honeydwarf85 Рік тому +4

      This is LMM, we don't come here for "practical"

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +9

      I did give it a flush, but left that out the video.
      The tank really needs removal and properly cleaning but much bigger job that I was planning

    • @jackprice8450
      @jackprice8450 Рік тому

      @@lmm taking the tank of them is a pain

  • @nickjones6065
    @nickjones6065 Рік тому

    Brilliant, forty minutes of frustrating spannering and not one swear word. Quite an achievement. 👏👏👏

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      We came close!

  • @timwhite4301
    @timwhite4301 Рік тому +7

    What a fantastic video. I love getting old things like this working. Congratulations on getting it working. My guess with the governor is maybe the mechanism is a bit gummed up but I'm not an expert

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +2

      Could well be

    • @bentullett6068
      @bentullett6068 Рік тому +1

      Diesel's suffer from diesel bug due to the bio stuff that they put in the fuel. Usually this can be cured by running a fuel additive in the fuel and giving the engine a bit of hard work. Most tractors old and new can suffer the same issues.

  • @JDfan1990
    @JDfan1990 Рік тому +4

    Awesome job mate. I have a B250 with the same blocking tap issue, even have a special made piece of wire in the tool box just for that problem lol I usually unscrew the tap all the way out and push the wire up thru the hole which usually clears it. Solution I’m yet todo to mine is pull the fuel tap/bowl out and add a 1/2 inch piece of tube to it so it can’t draw any gunk of the tank bottom. They are great, strong little tractors.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Oh that's a good plan. I will want to remove the tank at some point cause I need to do the steering

    • @bitrage.
      @bitrage. Рік тому

      Bro I think all old tractors start like this. I had an old Ford tractor and cub cadet with same start situation...

  • @allanblackesq
    @allanblackesq Рік тому +4

    A great video as usual Lawrie, careful thought out problem solving and really felt your passion and happiness come through when she finally showed signs of working. Well done.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +2

      Thank you very much! Was so excited!

  • @eze8970
    @eze8970 Рік тому +3

    Well done Lawrie, glad you revived it! Good to solve a problem as you say! 🙏

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      It was great to get it to run!

  • @kymvalleygardensdesign5350
    @kymvalleygardensdesign5350 Рік тому +2

    I said that about my Abandoned Fordson that had lived alone in a hedge for 20 years unloved, she started after bleeding the fuel lines, charging the battery and cleaning some terminals.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Amazing isn't it

  • @showmanpete2805
    @showmanpete2805 Рік тому +1

    absolutely love your vids, it's great to listen to someone so humble and asking others for advice...i'm hooked

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you very much! Glad you're enjoying what we do!

  • @dodgeme1986truck
    @dodgeme1986truck Рік тому +2

    A trick for siphoning out a fuel tank with direct fill neck is take a piece of metal fuel line as long as the tank is deep +6inches (used to aid in positioning) and use that as the siphon pickup tube you can easily position it and being metal it will hold its end below the fuel level.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      That's a far better idea

  • @roberthopper1872
    @roberthopper1872 Рік тому +1

    I like that. I don't know anything about tractors but I still like it.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Same here!

  • @bayernbahn1549
    @bayernbahn1549 Рік тому +1

    Great work! Great that McCormick is running again! The patina is really nice, you can really see its age. Much better than a restoration where the tractor looks better than when it left the factory.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      It's certainly full of character!

    • @bayernbahn1549
      @bayernbahn1549 Рік тому

      @@lmm In any case, that's exactly how I see it.

  • @kenrobinson4328
    @kenrobinson4328 Рік тому +1

    There is in inspection cover on the side of the injector pump. If you remove it and add some oil on the injector pistons they will stop sticking. This was an ongoing problem with these tractors. Also, The bleed pump and the bleed screw on the top of the fuel filter are there for a reason,it is quicker and easier to bleed it if you use them. Good luck.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Oh excellent! I'll give that a try!
      I cannot get the bleed pump to release - twist anti clockwise and it should 'unlock' to pump right? Or am I doing something wrong?

    • @kenrobinson4328
      @kenrobinson4328 Рік тому

      Sounds like you are doing it right. You might have to take the whole bleed pump off to get it working. I think that the brakes are the same as IH used in the US. They are a multi disc brake with 3 ball bearings between the plates to spread them. They tend to get gummed up with wear material. It might be worth a try to remove the dust boot off the bottom and spray brake cleaner up inside. If it works it will be a lot easier than taking the whole assembly off.

  • @Biber0315
    @Biber0315 Рік тому

    I just LOVE your demeaner!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you very much

  • @BazilRat
    @BazilRat Рік тому +20

    I am mildly disappointed that you didn't shout "It's ALAAAAIVE!" Lawrie, my man, you're slacking.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +6

      Missed an opportunity

    • @BazilRat
      @BazilRat Рік тому +1

      @@lmm Definitely. Ah well!

    • @nzo_6543
      @nzo_6543 Рік тому

      Ace Ventura reference? lol

    • @BazilRat
      @BazilRat Рік тому

      @@nzo_6543 Sorta! Referencing the same thing that Ace Ventura is referencing - the black-and-white Frankenstein movie.
      ua-cam.com/video/QuoKNZjr8_U/v-deo.html

  • @ghorner11
    @ghorner11 Рік тому +1

    I have a B414 - maybe you figured it out already but those engines I found always need the use of glow plugs to start. Even in the middle of summer when it's warm out, unless it has been running in the last 2-3 minutes and is still warm, you have to use them.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I always have to use the glow to get it to go!

  • @matthewrichardson2467
    @matthewrichardson2467 Рік тому +1

    Nice Job Lawrie, you mended something!!! Also you look mightily at home sitting on that there tractor!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I've been without a working tractor for too long!

  • @MikeTagg-kg1so
    @MikeTagg-kg1so Рік тому

    Love the noise even if it is in and out hahaha takes me back to my days on farm with the owners aging fleet of massesys etc but still the best workhorses he ever had.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Great isn't it!

  • @JoeV-nq9ez
    @JoeV-nq9ez Рік тому

    I have a 1959 B275 That was having similar problems. My injection pump one line had no pressure. In the USA it's hard to get this model pump worked on. I finally found a place to rebuild it. I currently have the whole engine torn apart and a new engine rebuild kit.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Hope that it runs well when it's back together again!

  • @Auagri
    @Auagri Рік тому +1

    Well done. Maybe check the butterfly valve in the intake manifold. Yes I know it’s a diesel but they have a butterfly valve. If yours is no good let me know as I have a spare unit with manifold!

  • @kennyyellop
    @kennyyellop Рік тому

    brilliant very pleased for you

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Me too!

  • @DaveSquibbSr
    @DaveSquibbSr Рік тому

    Great job!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you!

  • @phil69881
    @phil69881 Рік тому

    Wonderful!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I agree!

  • @ianjohnston9325
    @ianjohnston9325 Рік тому +1

    It looks like the injection pump is a pneumatic version rather than a mechanical one. The dome to the right of the pump contains a spring loaded diaphragm. The pipe coming out the top of the dome will go round to the inlet manifold and connect in on the engine side of a throttle controlled butterfly. When the throttle is closed (low revs) the vacuum is high which sucks the diaphragm, overcoming the spring and reducing the amount of diesel going into the cylinders. When the throttle is open the vacuum reduces, the diaphragm is pushed by the spring and more diesel is allowed into the cylinders. When the tractor is being started there is no vacuum so plenty of diesel is available for starting. The diaphragms were originally made of leather, at least they were on Simms injection pumps. Yours is probably now perforated which means the diaphragm doesn't close the flow of fuel as it should be causing the engine to revs up, the vacuum then increases because it's sucking in more air through the manifold, this moved the diaphragm which closes the fuel supply down, the engine slows, the vacuum falls and the cycle begins again. At high revs the vacuum is low so the impact of the perforated diaphragm is less significant as the pressure difference on both sides of the diaphragm is less so the hunting is not present but the diesel to air ratio will be a little out.
    Replacing the diaphragm is pretty easy. If the original spring looks ok then I would not replace it as the new ones don't seem to have the same tensile strength and will upset the fuel/air balance and will need adjusting by a mechanic who knows how these work.
    Hope this helps.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I've replaced the diaphragm before, so I assume it's the spring. Thanks for the information!

  • @primeprover
    @primeprover Рік тому

    The amount of good advice in these comments is amazing!!!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful!

  • @roberthocking9138
    @roberthocking9138 Рік тому +3

    I suggest you remove the filter above the injector pump and clean it, or replace the element, as it’s sure to full of rubbish also, which will restrict the fuel flow

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      That's a good idea

  • @pepperthekobold
    @pepperthekobold Рік тому +1

    Don't know much about this particular tractor or engine, but the old tractor I used to drive on a pig farm did the same thing and I was assured it was normal at idle. Something about having no load on the engine. It gets a blast of fuel, spins up, cuts the fuel and the sheer weight of the flywheel means it takes time to slow down to the point the governor gives it another blast of fuel to stop it from stalling.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Makes sense, it's just a bit rubbish 😂

  • @caroldave4037
    @caroldave4037 Рік тому

    Back in the days when i was a farmer i learned to drive on a B275....happy days father had 3 of them ...ps this was the 60 s....👍👍👍pps gord bless easystart🤣🤣🤣

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      They're not bad little things

  • @stephenwilliams8306
    @stephenwilliams8306 Рік тому

    The inside of the petrol tanks on some of these old tractors is incredible . I've got a 1948 Ford 8n and it hasn't blocked yet but it looks its got a piece of hose and loads of little stones in it I've resorted to letting the tank dry out and using a shop vac to remove what I could.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      That's a good idea!

  • @davidwood8400
    @davidwood8400 Рік тому

    Great video

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you!

  • @CathodeRayNipplez
    @CathodeRayNipplez Рік тому

    Watching from afar the English really do seem to love relaxing a good ol bit o tinkering.
    Seen complaint comments on other UK creators channels when they dont show enough of the tinkering.
    I don't have the time for it but hope it came to life eventually and everyone had a good time. 😀

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Skip to the last 5 mins!

  • @NuffMan_
    @NuffMan_ Рік тому +2

    Some tips i've learn the hard way.
    1. Install exthaus flap asap (it's cheaper than rebuilding the engine because of rainwater)
    2. Ether doesn't really work with oil bath aircleaner, plenty of it will be captured by the oil.
    3. With fuel problems, always start looking from the tank forwards, usually it's just blocked filter with these old things or dirt in the tank.
    4. Replace the hose between the filter and injection pump, the inner layer will seperate at some point and make a huge mess.
    5. If injector lines are full of air, it will act as a spring and the injectors will not open.
    6. Those kind of injection pumps have oil in them, just normal engine oil and needs to be changed every 500hours or so, check manual for more detail.
    If you're going to use it for something, add some fuel additive that cleans the injectors, it will make a big difference.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      They live under cover, so I'm not too fussed about having exhaust flaps.
      It still helped to start it!
      Initially I didn't realise it was a fuel issue - but yes, would have made sense. Start at one end and work back!
      Worth noting thanks
      Hense bleeding it up
      That could well be the issue - I'll check that next time I'm there!

    • @NuffMan_
      @NuffMan_ Рік тому

      With any diesel engine with mechanical injection, use the hand pump to prime the system up to the injection pump.
      If you are lazy as me, use compressed air in the tank to push the fuel and air out.
      Then loosen the injector lines at the fuel injectors, run the starter until there is no fuel coming out.
      Tighten the injector lines and it should start almost immediately.
      Doing it like this greatly reduces the wear and tear on the starter motor

    • @NuffMan_
      @NuffMan_ Рік тому +1

      The engine is smoking way too much black smoke.
      It could be that someone has opened the fuel adjustment srew wayy too much, and thats why its struglin to run smooth.
      Or the injector nozzles aren't working properly, they are "pissing" the fuel rather than spraying at fine mist.
      There could also just be coldstart button/srew thats stuck at ON position.
      I would recommend 5x0.28 nozzles, the original may be 4x0.32 but 5hole ones with smaller openings are better.
      New nozzles with adjustment is about 200€ or less depending of the quality, but they are worth it to replace.
      Getting the old injectors out of the head may be hard as they can be "a bit" stuck :)
      If the injector "nuts" need to be replaced, use the old nut as a cleaning tool, attach a bolt to the nozzle hole, stick it in a drill and stuff the nut full of scotch brite.
      It looks like it isnt smoking blue that much, meaning the engine itself isnt burning oil and has good compression and whatnot.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      @@NuffMan_ thanks for that, I'll have a look at it and see what can be adjusted!

    • @NuffMan_
      @NuffMan_ Рік тому +1

      @@lmm if you can find an PDF of the manual it will be great help

  • @thomasbernecky2078
    @thomasbernecky2078 Рік тому +1

    2077: 103 yer old Lawrie died yesterday of a self-ignited fuel air explosive, shortly after saying: "I've doing this for the last 9 decades and never had a problem?" The late Sir Lawrie left 4283 vehicles (not including Locomotives and retired Space Shuttles).

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Didn't even make 4.5k :(

    • @thomasbernecky2078
      @thomasbernecky2078 Рік тому

      @@lmm LOL.Well done. My college roommate rebuilt British autos way back when, He got a Sunbeam Tiger for 350 USD, with a stuck trans. He towed it behind a friend's truck and popped the clutch. sound familiar? Thanks for the good memories, and keep current with your tetanus shots. Updated original. Thanks Sir.

  • @819ANT
    @819ANT Рік тому

    super helpful on these one internationals look up some adjustable podger spanners i keep a pair in mine. pointy end helps alot with aligning implement's and things adjustable end lets you spanner and hit things. when i first got mine *International 785xl* same idea only bigger. the tank had 2 inches of Diesel slime in the bottom ended up having to clean and flush the whole thing.
    As others have said the taps on these are known to clog up. you can add an Electric pump inline before the mechanical one just to help it along abit as well.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      When I eventually get round to fixing this the tank will come off and get cleaned

  • @davidoneal5399
    @davidoneal5399 Рік тому

    Wow that’s a job love the video

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @dieselbushcraft1299
    @dieselbushcraft1299 Рік тому

    Excellent

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Thank you

  • @888johnmac
    @888johnmac Рік тому +1

    yay , nicely done Lawrie .. any time i change a fuel filter that sits vertically , i fill it with whatever fuel / injector cleaner i have to hand .. it can't do any harm & it means the starter / fuel pump don't have to work as hard to re-prime .... mind you i guess Lawrie was too excited to go find / buy a bottle of cleaner

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I wasn't expecting it to go!

  • @i.f.colville2497
    @i.f.colville2497 Рік тому +1

    You can bleed all the injectors at once you don,t need to do one at a time. The surging is caused by the diaphram in the fuel,pump ,a leak or loose conection I think some one has fitted an engine from a B250 as almost all B275 had a rotory DPA pump.I know that some preproduction and early models had the inline pump but I would be surprised if any still existed .You could contact one of the IH tractor clubs for more information,could be valuable!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      They were all open, I was just doing them up as they bled up.
      I replaced the diaphragm before, and the old one hadn't failed.
      Oh really? That's interesting! I'll have to find the things serial number!

    • @davidisherwood7458
      @davidisherwood7458 Рік тому

      They still pop up now and again

  • @johnhicks735
    @johnhicks735 Рік тому +2

    Try using A wire to clean out the clogged line port with it.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I found air to be quite effective

  • @colelepper9381
    @colelepper9381 Рік тому +2

    been missing videos on your tractors!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +2

      Trying to make amends!

  • @randomoldbloke
    @randomoldbloke Рік тому +3

    Always look at fuel filters first or gauze strainer in tank . Throw the ether into the neatest bin if you need starting aid use crc , wd40 ect it is less explosive

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I've heard WD is a good alternative.
      I'm not a fan of easy start, but wanted to see if it would actually go

    • @bentullett6068
      @bentullett6068 Рік тому

      Easy start can over time glaze the engine bores. WD40 is a safer bet or in petrol engines a small amount of fresh petrol into the carburettor.

  • @andrewreynolds4949
    @andrewreynolds4949 Рік тому +1

    Given how many things you have going on right now, and not just projects but tractor projects, I didn’t expect to see Jeb out anytime soon. I’m sure you will have to do this again though until you get that fuel tank cleaned out.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      It wasn't on the cards, but I felt inspired!
      I'll do a proper job when I actually get round to restoring it

  • @hughbrown9398
    @hughbrown9398 Рік тому +2

    Another great video. Congratulations on getting JEB (sort of) operational again. Who needs brakes?
    Having watched pretty much everything on the channel I must say I'm very impressed with what you guys are prepared to take on. However, I do, as an old git who's a lot less immortal than I used to be, occasionally find myself screaming inwardly "Eye protection!" or "Gloves!" or whatever.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you - I'm most impressed!
      Yes, we're getting better at it!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you - I'm most impressed!
      Yes, we're getting better at it!

  • @joshstacey9859
    @joshstacey9859 Рік тому +1

    my guess is theres usually a rubber diaphram in the govenor that perrishes. it leads to the hunting issue. replacements can be still got

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I actually replaced that way back, but no luck

  • @themeparkkieran4573
    @themeparkkieran4573 Рік тому

    Finally the return of tractors

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Been a long time coming

  • @paulhudson8321
    @paulhudson8321 Рік тому

    I’ve got a 1959 B275 and it kept quitting on me. Turns in there was sludge in the fuel tank. We took it off which is a job in itself. Getting the nut off the steering wheel was hard to get off and then the tank slides up the steering column. They’re a hard Diesel engine design to start with because they aren’t a direct injection diesel. They need the glow plugs working no matter what.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I need to do the steering box, and it's going to be such a pain!
      Mine needs *so much* glow to even have a chance of firing up

  • @haynes01623
    @haynes01623 Рік тому

    i think it is called ghosting the governor is revving engine to keep it going usually that's down to idle issue or not enough fuel is going into engine for idling if possible may try adjusting idle fuel mix

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Possible indeed

  • @GooseWaffe
    @GooseWaffe Рік тому

    Even with its rust and dents its a beautiful machine

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      It's got character

  • @adambirchall70
    @adambirchall70 Рік тому

    Another brilliant show. Really funny and entertaining.
    Lodging a complaint against you, another bloody TRACTOR causing tail backs !!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Soon! Rush hour awaits

  • @scoob3298
    @scoob3298 8 місяців тому

    That revving by itself might be due to low level of oil in the pump, had the same issue with 2 of my tractors and pouring about 0.1-0.2l of oil in it solved that issue.

  • @paulancill3872
    @paulancill3872 Рік тому

    The easiest way to clear the fuel line from the tank is to back flush it with an air line. Once you have done that drain the fuel and clean out the tank!

  • @rudolphbondefangerer5513
    @rudolphbondefangerer5513 Рік тому +1

    And do not forget to smear a lot of grease on the clutch.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Worth looking at

  • @crazyfvck
    @crazyfvck Рік тому

    Good job dude :)

  • @robinforrest7680
    @robinforrest7680 Рік тому

    Great stuff Lawrie 👍👍.
    I must have a look at my mates Dodge tractor which seems to have a similar fuel issue. I’m going to send him the link to this. It might inspire him 😉
    Sovvagn goes in for her contrôle technique tomorrow. Wish us luck 🍀

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I'm sure it'll be fine - good luck none the less!

    • @robinforrest7680
      @robinforrest7680 Рік тому

      @@lmm just got back. Went like a dream! Even my masking tape adjustment on the headlights was fine on their measuring equipment, so thank goodness no need to change my xenon headlamps (500€ each!) for LHD either!

  • @johnhicks735
    @johnhicks735 Рік тому +1

    By running it up through the fuel tank fuel line inlet tube to unblock it with. Something like bailing wire.,or A coat hanger that is metal.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I'll have a go!

  • @alasdairvincent6248
    @alasdairvincent6248 Рік тому +1

    It was great to see this old tractor bursting into life. With enough work, this tractor would be in show condition.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      One day she will be

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      One day she will be

  • @colmanlong1032
    @colmanlong1032 5 місяців тому

    A brilliant video, gteat entertainment.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  4 місяці тому

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @bow-tiedengineer4453
    @bow-tiedengineer4453 Рік тому

    It's alive!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I was very excited!

  • @alwaysbearded1
    @alwaysbearded1 Рік тому +1

    Amazing how tractors will run on ancient fuel. You have a lot of work to do on this one. So glad it was only a primary blockage. But the whole fuel system needs an overhaul beginning with that rusty sludgy fuel tank. As you said, governor might need some work too. Could just be springs or corrosion should be obvious. Can you still get parts?

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Some yes, some no from a quick look. It'll get sorted when I come to overhaul it

    • @bentullett6068
      @bentullett6068 Рік тому

      New tractors can be usually a bit more fussy due to modern electronic injection systems. I have worked in farm machinery dealerships and its not uncommon for modern tractors to have a mid year fuel filter change as they will usually end up with the dregs from the fuel tank at the farm if they have been filled when the fuel tank is empty. Modern diesel also has bio fuel added which goes off and causes a issue know as diesel bug.

  • @cme2cau
    @cme2cau Рік тому

    Well done! Meanwhile, I have to fix my Diesel on the weekend. Clean the EGR valve and remove the codes from the ECU via OBD2. That's progress, that is!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +3

      I'll plug the ob2 reader into this, see what it says!

    • @cme2cau
      @cme2cau Рік тому

      @@lmm 🤣🤣🤣

    • @bentullett6068
      @bentullett6068 Рік тому

      Add some quality diesel fuel additive as well and give your car a Italian tune. That can sort out issues

    • @cme2cau
      @cme2cau Рік тому +1

      @@bentullett6068 Thanks for the tips! I can't really complain, it's done 185000 km, the last 35k in my ownership. I always use premium diesel. When I got it, the dipstick was broken and the previous owner had overfilled the oil by 3l! That triggered an EGR fault, but the correct dipstick and oil level and clearing the codes madethe code go away and it has run great ever since.. Luckily, no blown seals.

  • @steffmadin8003
    @steffmadin8003 Рік тому

    What a shame you didn't flush the tank out at the same time and screw a 2" stand pipe in the top of the tap, I think you should put a new fuel filter on soon. It won't last long before it plugs up again. Enjoyed the video though. ps check the butterfly in the inlet manifold.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I need to lift the tank to address the steering issue, so I'll clean it out proper then!

  • @bitrage.
    @bitrage. Рік тому

    Reminds me of this old Ford we had with a front bucket

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Oh really?

    • @bitrage.
      @bitrage. Рік тому

      @@lmm 1950ish Ford 8n...

  • @excossack
    @excossack Рік тому

    Sounds smoother and quietier than some modern diesels

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      It's not bad once it's going

  • @perrydebell1352
    @perrydebell1352 Рік тому +1

    It's not really necessary to remove the fuel tank. Flush the fuel tank with detergent, then dry the interior with industrial papers towels, using the airline to blow the towels around & pick up any residual dirt. Remove paper towels & refill with fresh diesel or filtered old diesel & use a diesel bug treatment as modern diesel loves to absorb water. It's the bane of diesel boats.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      The tank needs to be removed to allow access to the steering box which needs surgery, so not the end of the world to remove!

  • @DOCTORDROTT
    @DOCTORDROTT Рік тому +2

    You have a priming plunger on that engine, always start at the tank tap and fuel condition

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Is that the hook thing on the pump?
      Cause I cannot get it to 'unlock' to pump

    • @DOCTORDROTT
      @DOCTORDROTT Рік тому

      @@lmm Yes, release the top lock nut and it will pump up and down My BTD6 Drotts got the same idea . I am on a railway loco on Thursday PWM 651. I am restoring an ex British Rail traxcavator ua-cam.com/video/Mr7hxNQ0nAo/v-deo.html

    • @danwaters115
      @danwaters115 Рік тому

      @@lmm yes that is the fuel primer it should unscrew like a normal thread and then you should be able to manually lift it up and down to pump the fuel and bleed it

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      @@danwaters115 that's what I thought, but it doesn't seem to unlock itself. I'll have to further play

  • @richardbrobeck2384
    @richardbrobeck2384 Рік тому

    cool !

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I agree

  • @johnheard2814
    @johnheard2814 Рік тому

    Just a tip for you to try. Get some lacquer thinner or mineral spirits and drain out the fuel again and pour in a couple gallons or in your country liters of the thinner. Let it sit for awhile then use a long wand air gun be excellent if you have one with a suction tube blast through the mix and stir it around the tank. Drain out the crappy mix and flush it with some diesel fuel replace the valve and add in fresh fuel you should be good to go. Remember to add some diesel fuel stabilizer to the fuel and avoid that sludge problem again. If she's still smoking a bit more than it should add some Marvel's mystery oil to the fuel and run a tank of it through it should help clean up the injection system or use transmission oil. Both will help it .

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      When I come to restore the thing, I'll do that!

  • @johnbutcher125
    @johnbutcher125 Рік тому

    The glass bowl is a water trap so you can see the amount of water in it and empty it

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      And any particulates should sink to the bottom.

  • @mainlandtoisland7260
    @mainlandtoisland7260 Рік тому

    Proper job lawrie ooooare

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thank you

  • @bentullett6068
    @bentullett6068 Рік тому +2

    She might want some hard work to sort the running issue, many tractors engines suffer from not being worked but once given a bit of stick the blockages can clear, alternatively add a quality diesel additive to the fuel.
    Me and my dad would like a old tractor again as we had to reluctantly sell my Grandads restored Fergie around 2009/10 as he was no longer with us and my Nan was downsizing homes. I think if we were to get a tractor it would either be a 1980/90's John Deere or a Ford tractor.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Always sad to have to let one go. A hard days work will break it it fix it!

    • @bentullett6068
      @bentullett6068 Рік тому

      @@lmm maybe it will break it maybe it won't. You don't need to go to the point of severely putting huge strain on the engine. Possibly occasionally tow Jupiter out of the shed with Jeb, that should give the engine some work.

  • @adrianpritchard5143
    @adrianpritchard5143 4 місяці тому

    What is the Australian word for the magic stuff 🤔 😅 🤣

  • @stefanallan6377
    @stefanallan6377 Рік тому

    fuel pump timing may be slightly out. Will also help it to start better if that's the case. if not governor spring caput

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I'm wondering on the spring. It's geared timing I think, so unlikely to be timing?

  • @mobiousenigma
    @mobiousenigma Рік тому

    hey lmm ! thanks for the videos and return to the wrenches lol... next time you run into this ...try some compressed air into the petcock ...

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Yes that would likely work

    • @mobiousenigma
      @mobiousenigma Рік тому

      @@lmm it would quickly dislodge blocked inlet filter in tank or petcock ...at least enough to facilitate tank draining and let you troubleshoot ...its a common trick for cars that regularly clog fuel filters /socks then stop running...its easier than dropping the tank to see if that is the issue . im thinking its the governor as well ...possibly a cleaning will fix the surgeing but more likely its worn or needs a spring replacement .... if it was a gas engine i would say check the fuel filters

  • @dokigames6787
    @dokigames6787 Рік тому

    Good

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Thanks

  • @DavidSmith-nr6dj
    @DavidSmith-nr6dj Рік тому +1

    For your next tractor how about one of the ones DRS were selling off? 109 tons of EE finest

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I dream of such a thing

  • @rafchris
    @rafchris 11 місяців тому

    Really want a tractor now

    • @lmm
      @lmm  11 місяців тому +1

      They're great fun!

  • @brucestephen2928
    @brucestephen2928 Рік тому

    First bleed it at the filter then bleed it at the pump .then bleed injectors .then she will start . Don’t use easy start you will damage your heater plugs . Bruce Shetland

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      That wouldn't have worked as the blockage was at the tank.

  • @jasonwhitler4167
    @jasonwhitler4167 Рік тому

    I have plenty of experience with IH equipment but not diesels. I'll take a swing at the surging problem, my guess is the timing gears are worn out and have too much backlash. One way to rule out the governor is to put the engine under load at a set throttle position and see if it falls flat on its face. if the governor is still attempting to work, it should add fuel and keep the engine running.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Like dropping the clutch in top gear?
      Did that and it coped

    • @jasonwhitler4167
      @jasonwhitler4167 Рік тому

      @@lmm hmmm... May want to look into the timing gears then. Could also try a thicker engine oil in hopes that it takes out some of the internal slop in the engine.

  • @Antony_Jenner
    @Antony_Jenner Рік тому

    You do sod about Lawrie! Never had a problem with my Inter A414.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Perhaps it's a better tractor.
      I did look at buying one from a farm, but he wanted big money.

  • @mikaoj71
    @mikaoj71 Рік тому

    Always begin whith the simple things.. 😉

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Is it getting fuel?
      No. No its not 😂

  • @Equiluxe1
    @Equiluxe1 Рік тому

    I had the same problem with a Kubota tractor I bought and it was only a 1994 model. Half an inch or more of mud in the bottom of the tank, in the end I had to remove the tank and pressure wash it out. No idea how the previous owners had got so much muck into the tank as the tractor had spent its entire life on a caravan park shunting caravans and cutting grass, from what was in the tank it looked more like they had used it for earth moving by stickin the earth into the tank. The black cylinder on the side of the injector pump is a hand operated primer pump used to fill the pumps gallery first. The lumpy idle is down to the pneumatic governor, either dirt in the vacum pipes or the leather bellows is hard or punctured.

    • @colinpatterson6585
      @colinpatterson6585 Рік тому

      I was wondering how far down the comments till some one got it right. Primer looks like an old bosch style, some have strainer in the main pump as well. The old simms injection pumps often had leaking rubber type bellows also. I always remove injector return to tank line first. A lot will be learned from what is happening there. The more connections you loosen the more new problems that can be started.

  • @paulancill3872
    @paulancill3872 Рік тому

    Are you going to use an additive to kill thr bugs that grow on the bio diesel?

  • @Jim-McKechnie
    @Jim-McKechnie Рік тому

    I’d suspect that has a split in the governor diaphragm it might be an early one with a pneumatic governor, or there will be airpipes from the intake manifold or air cleaner to the governor these olives might be worn (put yer hand round it n if stops surging that’s the problem) if it’s a mechanical governor on the injection pump you need a trip to an injection pump specialist , new governor diaphragms should be able to be found on fleabay lol

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      I've replaced the diaphragm sadly, and it made no difference.

    • @Jim-McKechnie
      @Jim-McKechnie Рік тому

      @@lmm looks like it’ll be a trip to mr “diesel injection specialist “ in its future for the injection pump

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      @@Jim-McKechnie my wallet cowered at the thought

  • @alexandercolquhoun6743
    @alexandercolquhoun6743 Рік тому +1

    Sound like it down a injector running on 3 cylinders that's the lupin sound you can hear

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Ahhh, that would make sense with the poor idle too

  • @thaddeush.llewellyn2698
    @thaddeush.llewellyn2698 Рік тому

    Laurie vs. Stubborn Tractor! Not broken now!

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I'm surprised too!

  • @adambirchall70
    @adambirchall70 Рік тому

    Looking back I missed the point your fiddle around and something special happens with your small tool.......?
    Joking aside, you and your friends brilliant. Keep up the brilliant work

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Sounds like a carry on film

  • @Vandal-Vlogs
    @Vandal-Vlogs Рік тому

    I'd say the idle issue is a pump or injector problem. Judging by the smoke that engine has serious internal ware.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      It's an old tractor, lots of old diesels are smokey when they fire up.
      But yes. Tired is an understatement

    • @jackprice8450
      @jackprice8450 Рік тому

      @@lmm don't worry about it , most of these old b series internationals smoke when cold. Most diesels do.

  • @Cemi_Mhikku
    @Cemi_Mhikku Рік тому

    34:10 I REALLY wish they sold Start Ya Bastard outside of AU...

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      The product I cannot mention

  • @shopdog831
    @shopdog831 Рік тому +1

    Think the govoner spring tension is low

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      That makes sense

  • @johnrobbo69
    @johnrobbo69 Рік тому

    Have a look at Lord Muck, he's a bit of a tractor ace and likes a bit of "Cosby" to get engines going.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      He does some good stuff

  • @danwaters115
    @danwaters115 Рік тому

    Because of the amount of fuel leaking out of the pipe on the bottom of the pump (which is your oil level) it means that the pistons that pressurises the fuel are worn and so the fuel is leaking past them so the governor is trying to over come the lack of pressure making it hunt all of the time so really the pump will need rebuilding but also check the pipes on the back of the pump which go up the the intake manifold as I have seen them block up with rubbish making them hint too but 9/10 it is the pump that’s the problem, cheers

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      I thought that pipe was the overflow, which was a result of the thing going wide open every few seconds

    • @danwaters115
      @danwaters115 Рік тому +2

      @@lmm that should be filled up with oil to that level as if it was over full it would just drip out it is ok if about an egg cup full of diesel leaks past every 20hrs of running but when it’s a constant drip it means the pump is badly worn due to lack of oil changes in the bottom as it only holds about a cup of oil and it usually leaks out if you are not careful, cheers

  • @Car-dash-Ian
    @Car-dash-Ian Рік тому +1

    Hi Lawrie it's hunting a bit

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Just a little...

  • @TheAlignmentGuy_TM
    @TheAlignmentGuy_TM Рік тому

    Is a box end wrench still a "spanner"? It doesn't span, it encircles.

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому

      Ratchet spanner, yes!

  • @patoverend7395
    @patoverend7395 Рік тому

    throwing a guess in the mix low fuel has sucked up dirt from tank and glogged up fuel pump and possibly fuel injectors

    • @lmm
      @lmm  Рік тому +1

      Quite possible, though this is as good as its ever run for me

    • @patoverend7395
      @patoverend7395 Рік тому

      @@lmm maybe worth putting in a inline fuel filter,easily cut into pipe and should help you see any signs of dirt/rust coming out of tank