It’s strange how certain one’s stick with you. I know this one but I never really felt much connection. I feel strongly about the Becky Watts and the Alice Ruggles cases- those are the first two I’d use my Time Machine to stop.
This one hits too close to home for me. I lost my younger brother suddenly two months before I turned 30. The only reason I made it to my birthday was because I was in the middle of my Microsoft certification program at the time, and after my birthday and completing my courses, my head was clear enough that I knew I couldn't put my parents through that again. Over two decades later, somehow, I'm still here... but so is the daily reminder that he's not.
@jacksonstarky8288 Your strength is amazing! We never know how truly strong we are until we look back on a time or event in our lives and wonder how on earth we were able to endure getting through it emotionally and physically without caving in and falling completely apart. Yet, you did. I feel quite certain that you were/are the glue that held your parents together and kept them from falling completely apart. May God bless you for being the pillar of strength that they needed during that time, even though I feel certain that you were in need of someone to strengthen you as well at that time. Ultimately, you endured and survived what must have been the greatest loss and most devastating and heartbreaking pain of your life up until that point. I suffered the horrific and unexpected loss of two loved ones two years ago. I am getting by one day at a time. It's very true that "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." I get a little bit stronger every single day, by the grace of God. May you have many, many happy and blessed days, my friend!
Paradoxical undressing & erratic behaviour are signs of advanced hypothermia, so he would have needed to have been hypothermic well _before_ he removed clothing & somehow climbed into the chimney.... and given how close he was to home, if he was getting that cold he could have easily reached safety before it became a problem. There's also the issue of the grate at the top of the chimney and the bar pushed up against the fireplace opening at the bottom... highly unlikely that he could close himself in like that, whether of sound mind or not.
Idk why, but I’ve always had the idea that it could have been a prank gone wrong? Like maybe friends forced in there and left him overnight only to discover he’d died of hypothermia or lack of oxygen. Just an idea. 🤷🏻♀️
I had wondered something similar! It starts as a joke: friends dared him to strip down and go outside. They lock him out and he tries to get in through the chimney. He gets stuck and the friends panic. It's possible he dies of lack of oxygen long before hypothermia. Friends barricade the chimney and agree to never speak of things again. If it happens intentionally, paradoxical undressing from hypothermia is a possibility. The only hiccup in both ideas is that the chimney is supposed to be blocked off my a mesh screen.
@@gingersnap7822Good points. He could have been already in the cabin somehow and tried to climb up the chimney, not down. Only to get up there and find the mesh? Could have gotten stuck coming back down.
Good one now let’s just say hypothetically speaking what if it was the guy who found him that actually did it and is disguising the truth 🤔🤔 just saying even tho the cabin been there how do we know he ain’t kill him dropped him off to the cabin now did he fold him up ??? Who knows now all of sudden he want to take down the cabin after all those years to create what was it ? Property …how we know he not faking the funk by playing “the oh I found a body guys oh my!! Idkkk ppl are deceiving but just a thought…. chime innnnn!!!
@@snippyJ His clothes were in a neat pile next to his shoes. If he'd already got into the cabin to place his shoes, why did he go feet first up the chimney? The chimney also narrowed as it went down and he was stuck fast at the narrowest point with his knees up to his chest. Spent a long time researching this mystery. I believe he was killed.
@@donnamcdonald-g8nHis clothes being “neatly folded” is a common misconception. No where in primary sources of this case has it ever been stated that the clothes were folded, only that they were found near the fireplace opening.
Going down a chimney naked is not a typical way to commit suicide so I'm leaning towards murder especially with the position his body was found i find it hard to believe that he would have been able to make his feet go in that angle himself so its most likely that he was stuffed down the chimney by someone else
Not down the chimney but up it. There was no way to enter the chimney from the top because of the metal grate, therefore no way to stuff something in from the top either.
At first, I was like, this was just a terrible accident. I didn't understand the comments, but after watching the whole video, I understand why so many think it was murder. I hope his family gets answers.
You wouldn't get your clothes dirty and it would be easier to wash soot off your body than your clothes. There have been many people who have tried to break into places by going down a chimney or an air vent not realizing that gravity along with it becoming narrow would be impossible to go through.
Im thinking that maybe was trying to get in, and not get caught up with his clothes or be smaller? But there was not any other way in??? That’s what’s strange.
Why would anyone try to break into a cabin through a chimney? When a window is... Just there. And the disrepair the building was in makes it even more weird that one would bother with trying to get in through a chimney over a door or window.
That's the weird thing, in the case it details that he was clearly already in the cabin. So it makes even less sense into why would he end up hidden where he was? While some of his belongings and clothes were already in the cabin
At least that coroner had the integrity to realize that he might be wrong: you'd be astounded how many people in and around government won't even consider doing that.
This one has always stuck with me. So many things point to foul play and a bunch of the details really show that he couldn't of been alone and he couldn't have done all this by himself...
Ever since I first heard this story, I don't believe his death was an accident or suicide. Who takes their clothes off and climbs into a chimney head first?
In the past ten years, at least 3 men have died after getting stuck in chimneys. It's much more common than we realize. Sometimes it's teenagers, other times it's burglars or people with mental illness or drug issues.
If you let someone do that to you then it's your own damn fault. Why would you let someone turn your death into a grotesque freakshow instead of fighting to the bitter end? A sad and pathetic freakshow for all the world to see 😢
And the grate replaced and his clothes folded on the inside....yeah...that's as likely as that Gareth dude who locked himself in a duffel bag naked to kill himself after he was in MI6 or whatever it was. Williams I think was his last name.
This is such a tragic and mysterious case. Poor Joshua and his family having to endure so much sadness and loss. There are just so many unanswered questions surrounding Joshua's death - how did he end up inside the chimney with the wire mesh in place? Who removed his clothes? The coroner's ruling of accidental death doesn't seem to fit all the unusual circumstances. I hope one day the truth about what really happened to Joshua can be uncovered. His memory deserves for all the questions to be answered and for justice to be served if foul play was involved. My heart goes out to the Maddox family in their struggle to find closure in this devastating situation.
I wonder if mental illness has been ruled out. Schizophrenia begets strange behavior like this and average onset in late teens/early 20s. Bipolar and psychosis can also result in strange behavior and is usually paired with sky high levels of artistic creativity which he had. Hallucinogenic drug experimentation often kicks the schizophrenic gene into play, and is the true version of the stories we grow up on where a kid we know 'Took a bunch of acid and never came down." His brother committed suicide so there was a family history of some kind of mental illness. How awful for his parents to lose two children. 😢
How did they determine that he must have entered the chimney from the top? Couldn't he have climbed up from the bottom? This would explain why the wire mesh would have made no difference.
Unless he got stuck then passed away. He could have fallen out at a slow rate. He's body contorting in ways that a living body couldn't. He was in there a long time. My real question is why tracking dogs couldn't find him. His scent should have been strong jmo
Have you seen what it's like trying to enter a chimney from the bottom? It's literally impossible unless you have a jack hammer. It's much more likely that he was put in the chimney and another individual closed off the top of the chimney by reconnecting and reattaching the metal mesh. It's not possible for him to have done on his own. Regardless of what the real truth is to this crazy situation
@@benmcreynolds8581 Actually no. Chimney sweeps in the past, for instance, used to mostly climb UP chimneys not down from the roofs of houses. I'm baffled as to how and why they determined that he must have climbed down from the top - unless I'm missing something.
Well, he definitely did NOT come down the chimney from the top because the metal mesh rules that completely out. (The cabin owner has no reason to lie about the metal mesh being in place and intact when they started the demolition of the chimney.) So, that leaves the ONLY avenue by which he entered the chimney as being from the bottom, and he certainly did NOT rip a massive, affixed bar from the wall, drag it across the room, and place it in front of the fireplace AFTER he climbed up inside of the chimney FEET FIRST. Someone clearly did this to him. Maybe he was molested (hence his clothing being removed), murdered, and then placed in the chimney? Maybe it started out as a bullying "gag," and the person(s) who put him in the chimney promised to come back and let him out later. He may have asked to take his clothes off to keep from ruining them, which explains why they were folded neatly INSIDE of the cabin. They may have never planned on coming back at all, or they did return to free him and discovered that he had died from positional asphyxiation. We may never know the entire truth, but we do know that he didn't do this to himself! Law enforcement failed this young man AND his family by not using common sense and not fully investigating what happened to him. May he and his brother rest in peace together. 😢❤😢
“I don’t believe there is any unexplained mystery here. He died of misadventure. First of all, where is there evidence that the clothes were folded? I feel this is one of those things that has been twisted in the retelling of the case. As far as I can tell, the clothes were found outside the hearth, it was not originally said they were folded. Secondly, there was never any evidence found of any steel rebar or any kind of steel covering the chimney. It is entirely possible that the owner only thought it was there but never actually saw it, said it was there to protect himself from being liable, or it was there but had rusted and disintegrated after years of being in place. Thirdly, the “legs above the head” position is quite easily explained as well. His body was quite decomposed and his legs had come away from the body, it is quite possible this caused the torso to move down lower. It is also not uncommon for the body to have moved like this after death due to gravity.”
Accident? No. This young man was not an idiot. He was adventurous. This was out of character. He was trapped in the chimney. Josh was stuck up the chimney. Somehow , the truth will come out.
This is one of those unsolvable puzzles. How he managed to get into the chimney by himself or be put there by someone is a real conundrum. However, I don't think he was put there by someone. The manner and position of his body, along with the tight confines of the space, suggests that the person who put him there would have to be inhumanly strong. And if he was indeed murdered, wouldn't simply burying the body under the floorboards be an easier way to hide the corpse? Additionally, I can't believe that it took his family five days to report him as missing. Nothing about this sad case seems to add up
The cabins owner (and property developer) insisting on it being a murder is a way of deflecting a possible lawsuit. Similar to not fencing in a pool or owning a vicious dog.
That's sounds more like a home invader suing the people he tried to rob because they shot him or he fell off the porch, loot in hand, and broke his leg.
I’m forced to disagree. While that kind of chicanery is not without precedent (for example, the 1981 Stardust fire in Dublin, and its bogus verdict of arson), the fact that the property owner and Zachary‘s family are in agreement about their suspicions seems to preclude any possibility that the owner would fear prosecution or legal action from them. That being the case, there is no need to invent such a story, and moreover, his explanations seem to be very good ones.
He was such a nice, kind looking young man. This story is tragic and bizarre. I comfort myself by thinking that Zach and Joshua are together again somewhere far away from this cruel world.
Maybe held against his will. Tried to get out by the chimney. Thought less clothes would make it easier to get up it. Made it up and maybe got stuck and fell? Just a theory.
I can't be the only one who when I hear that they're laying for found without lower clothing and in a unnatural position above their heads who's mind immediately runs to sexual assault. Considering how police usually fall all over themselves when a male is found missing, I find it weird that the police really didn't do anything and didn't check that cabin. Not to jump on conspiracy theories, but has anyone looked at the individual policeman? That would give them the impetus not to really investigate this.
This case is baffling. There is no reason why he should be in the chimney, considering the house sounds like it was in such a bad state of repair that he could probably have gotten in easily. Maybe he was threatened? Came across a bad lot? Such a shame regardless.
How is this channel not up there with Adrian (coffeehouse crime), Mike (That Chapter), John Ballen and the like? Shes like the internet investigator, but without ungodly amounts of yorkshire accent.
Internet investigator is one of my favorite channels, I've tried to get into coffeehouse and that chapter but they just don't do it for me. Criminally Listed and Cold Case detective are my 2 and 3rd fav, but dark Curiosities is hands down my favorite
Talk about lazy law enforcement. There is no way you will ever convince me that he took all of his clothes off and climbed into a chimney and don't forget how he moved a large item and blocked the fireplace before doing all of this. He was a very intelligent kid. I don't believe he would do something so dumb as to climb into a chimney naked. Also, there are far easier ways to unalive yourself and I feel Joshua was smart enough to know this. Law enforcement didn't know what to do so they called it an accident/suicide and moved on. Lazy. RIP Joshua. You are not forgotten.
Who climbs to the roof and willingly or UNwillingly enters a chimney? That’s a lot of work and why go in naked? It would take a very strong person or people to get him up there? Too strange!!!
Dying in a chimney is more common than people realize. Sometimes it's teenagers. Sometimes it's burglars. In recent years, at least 3 men have died after getting stuck in chimneys.
Who takes off their clothes and burrows into tight spaces? Answer: anyone with hypothermia. They're called Paradoxical Undressing and Terminal Burrowing, and they are very well understood symptoms of the condition.
I can see where someone would think they could get into a home by climbing into, and up the chimney if all points of entry were sealed closed. I can see taking clothes off to not get caught up on anything or to be smaller in a chimney, but I would be inclined to think drugs or alcohol were involved due to it just being a poor choice. It’s very strange.
I think people are looking into it too deep, he must probably got hyperthermia (which makes you think you are very hot and delusional) he then striped off his clothes and climbs into the chimney looking for cover.
This sounds like murder to me . Being stuffed into the chimney with no clothing on other than his top is really weird sounding . He was put there by person or persons . Way to suspicious and strange how he would end up in a chimney at a cabin in the woods.
Occam’s razor: Is it more likely an owner who hadn’t been there in 10 years, but insists the metal grid was still in place is wrong; or is it more likely a young man was foolish and/or drunk and/or high enough to try to see if he could squeeze through a chimney? Was he in there goofing around with friends who locked him out? Did he foolishly lock himself out? Many scenarios without foul play that are more plausible than deliberate murder.
I agree, Kate. Wasn't clear how the mummified remains were actually discovered. The photo shows a mostly intact chimney ?? Was the chimney in the process of being broken up, when Josh was discovered inside of it? Were the remains first seen, looking into the chimney...and viewed from the interior or exterior of the cabin ?? (That little cabin looked really cute)
I've heard this story before but after watching it again, with some extra details, I couldn't help but wonder if it could have been self-inflicted by paranoia or misadventure. His clothes being neatly folded and the chair against the door makes me feel he did those things; maybe felt comfortable enough to undress (for whatever reason, is another issue) and maybe after previously ingesting something (my best guess is Marijuana-induced paranoia or even psychosis) and he was compelled illogically to 'hide away' in the chimney, considering he put things in front of the door (unfounded fear). That's just my guess.
There’s a really interesting Reddit thread about this. Apparently a guy Josh knew, Andrew, was boasting about “putting him (Josh) in a hole.” This guy apparently has quite the arrest history too and is extremely violent. Edit: Never mind, I just got to that part in the video lol
Was found with his hands and feet facing up. No possible way he crawled up. Only had on a tee shirt. The rest of his clothes, minus the underwear, found folded inside the cabin, by the chimney. High on mushrooms, some other hallucinogenic, or some drug cocktail? Or fell in? Wanted to end it all? The other alternative, he was stuffed in there, would require 2 people to carry him up a deteriorating cabin and roof. Really?
It's quite possible that Joshua waded through some water as he was walking. His pants, socks and shoes get wet. He breaks into a cabin because he's cold and needs shelter. Maybe he tries to start a fire but it won't draw. He starts looking for a reason, being quite slender he decides to go up into the chimney looking for an obstruction, gets caught, tries to turn around, dies of positional asphyxia. A subsequent squatter, looking for shelter, comes in and tries to block the death smell coming from the fireplace with the piece found in front of it. Animals die in chimneys not infrequently, they'd have assumed that was the case. People die doing dumb things, even very bright people. Look up the story of the brilliant female doctor who died when her drunk self decided to crawl into the chimney of her boyfriend's house. Not every situation is homicidal, no matter how desperately the family wishes for someone to blame and punish. 🤷🏼♀️
ah great theory! i think ur right! someone blocks the fireplace AFTER hes already long dead to rid of the smell! this is purely accidental by johusa..but why is this close so neatly folded, i don't get that part..was joshua a neat freak?
Death by adventure. 18 year old people often lose their life due to curiosity. They take strange risks. Josh had been in the cabin before, through a window, then door & enjoyed exploring its every part, looking for any 'treasure'. The coroner got it correct, the 1st time. Poor Josh 😢
This one’s so weird. You wanna say it was clearly hypothermia because of the clothes being taken off (and because this happens with kids and chimneys unfortunately). But then the clothes are folded nearly outside instead of tossed or ripped off from the chimney. It’s really a stretch to imagine this as foul play though. I’m left thinking that, because the investigation was already hampered, that we aren’t getting accurate information in the report. It would be easy to misrepresent something like where and how the clothes were found, which would wholly make this far more complicated sounding than it is.
3:22 I’ve read elsewhere and watched other covers on this story and it was mentioned that they weren’t worried when he didn’t return home and cared much, it was until several days later when they decided to even bother looking for him….
I’ve always been a watcher not now I’m starting to think the content creator just throws in stuff to make the video sound good. The family couldn’t be bothered that he was gone and brushes it aside almost….idk where you got the whole the family was worried as night fall came and all that limbo jumbo💀💀💀💀💀
I'd heard of this case before but wasn't sure if the story had been embellished and if so by what extent. To me neither accidental death or foul play makes any sense. As you point out it's unlikely that Joshua removed most of his clothes before entering the chimney from the roof head first or from the fireplace feet first. It's also unlikely that a killer would go to the effort of inserting his dead body feet first into the chimney, surely it would be easier to do that head first? I've never hidden a body, that just seems like it'd be easier.
The police not doing much is par for the course in Colorado. Andy Newman def needs to be looked at by decent LE. Poor Josh. Zachary too. I’m sincerely sorry for the Maddux family. May they receive proper answers regarding Josh. Thank you DC. 💫
Seriously? Think about it. How did this young man get transport to cabin? Why would he have been inside cabin - evidence is his clothing - ONLY in cold weather, scale a roof, remove the mesh, and try to get down chimney? Not feet first, but fold himself in half and do it, then trapped die of hypothermia. That scenario is stupidity on steroids. Obviously he met someone who took him there and something transpired that he lost his clothing. Then was taken up on top of cabin and forced down chimney in an unnatural way that killed him. Killer(s) left.
The owner sounds like he has no idea what was going on in and around the cabin. Theres no telling when the breakfast bar was moved, if the clothes fell off due to decay or snagged and ripped off. The owner (or whoever maintained the property) smells a smell one day and sees clothes in a crappy cabin no one visits? Folds them? Moves the bar to keep the animals out. That mesh was probably long gone and he fell and got stuck.
I wonder if maybe he attempted to explore the abandoned cabin, but got attacked by a squatter or transient inside it or in the surrounding area, murdered and stuffed into the chimney.. I haven't gotten through the entire video yet, though
I saw this comment elsewhere and it made sense to me. “I don’t believe there is any unexplained mystery here. He died of misadventure. First of all, where is there evidence that the clothes were folded? I feel this is one of those things that has been twisted in the retelling of the case. As far as I can tell, the clothes were found outside the hearth, it was not originally said they were folded. Secondly, there was never any evidence found of any steel rebar or any kind of steel covering the chimney. It is entirely possible that the owner only thought it was there but never actually saw it, said it was there to protect himself from being liable, or it was there but had rusted and disintegrated after years of being in place. Thirdly, the “legs above the head” position is quite easily explained as well. His body was quite decomposed and his legs had come away from the body, it is quite possible this caused the torso to move down lower. It is also not uncommon for the body to have moved like this after death due to gravity.” Also, the clothes being off is easily explained by not wanting them dirty. That part for me makes a ton of sense.
I don't know any 18 year old that would find adventure in going up a chimeny that is only so high, on his own. I like what you said about the metal grate, I'd like to know more about that.
I suspect he was killed before being pushed up into the chimney. I do hope there is some real answer some day because it is the most unusual of sad cases. Rest in peace Joshua.
Didn't anyone else hear that he had some form of Autism? Clearly he didn't think about the end result of getting stuck there permanently unfortunately.
The owner of the cabin stated "the chimney was built 20 years old ago, and the top was fitted with steel rebar to prevent animals and debris from entering. This would have made it impossible for Josh to climb into the chimney." Some think Andrew Newman killed him and stuffed him in the chimney. I read all this after I had made one comment not realizing it that he was naked from the waist down. It is one thing not to have a shirt on but not to have anything to cover your genitals in a soot covered confined area.
I've known of this case for sometime. This seems to be a different version. According to other reports Josh had attempted to climb down the chimney but as it became narrower he eventually got stuck. It seemed to be a cut and dry case of death by misadventure,
I agree with the family that something isn't right about this case. No kid is going to take off his pants and underwear to climb down a chimney. Especially since his clothes were found folded up by the fireplace it shows he was all ready in the cabin. So how could he climb up a chimney feet first. There was also rebar installed on top of the chimney to stop animals from coming through that would have made it nearly impossible for him to enter at the top. He was found in fetal position in the chimney. There was also a part of the bar or counter from the cabin pulled in front of the chimney so how did he climb up feet first and pull something in front of the fireplace. I think maybe he was meeting someone there for a rendezvous or someone set him up with the wrong person. I think he was killed and put in the chimney. It might have taken two people to do that.
I’m sorry but there is someone that knows what happened. There is no way this kid was alone. He was probably there with friends and they’re afraid to come forward.
You can't tell me that a sexual predator didn't have something to do with this case. Why was his pants folded neatly and why would he wind up headfirst in the chimney. It looks like he was pushed. I find it funny if he was trying to enter building why was his pants inside the building
Unless he was exploring and didn't want his clothes getting dirty. I just feel like this was a tragic accident. I'm confused why an abandoned cabin, so close to his own home, wasn't checked? How about tracker dogs? His scent should have been fresh early on.
Too bad those police didn't follow all leads ! This beautiful, talented young man clearly was murdered ! As a tax payer, I am angered at what I think was negligence !
Dying after getting stuck in a chimney is much more common than most people realize. There have been recent cases in California, Nebraska, and Georgia.
When the murderer pushed him down the chimney during his struggle to grasp at something his pants shoes were scrubbed off. That killer is who folded his clothes up and tore out the breakfast bar and deliberately moved it to block the inside of that chimney… he was killed by someone he made an acquaintance with … and not knowing his violent past….
Who takes off their clothes and burrows into tight spaces? Answer: anyone with hypothermia. They're called Paradoxical Undressing and Terminal Burrowing, and they are very well understood symptoms of the condition.
I don't think I'll ever really be able to get my head around this one. It really sticks in my mind and has for years. What a tragedy.
Yeah, it's hard to forget this one. This is a story that's difficult to even speculate about, without knowing more about him.
He has always felt like someone I could’ve known. :( I will never forget him or this case.
It’s strange how certain one’s stick with you. I know this one but I never really felt much connection. I feel strongly about the Becky Watts and the Alice Ruggles cases- those are the first two I’d use my Time Machine to stop.
Ill.never forget the.cindy James case even tho.it took place in the 70s it was just so bizarre and I have so many qs but they will never be answered
Ok why does this sound kinda weird
This one hits too close to home for me. I lost my younger brother suddenly two months before I turned 30. The only reason I made it to my birthday was because I was in the middle of my Microsoft certification program at the time, and after my birthday and completing my courses, my head was clear enough that I knew I couldn't put my parents through that again. Over two decades later, somehow, I'm still here... but so is the daily reminder that he's not.
Stay strong brother. Carry on your brothers legacy, he will be looking down on you. Make him proud❤️ we’re all behind you 💪🏾
@jacksonstarky8288
Your strength is amazing!
We never know how truly strong we are until we look back on a time or event in our lives and wonder how on earth we were able to endure getting through it emotionally and physically without caving in and falling completely apart.
Yet, you did.
I feel quite certain that you were/are the glue that held your parents together and kept them from falling completely apart.
May God bless you for being the pillar of strength that they needed during that time, even though I feel certain that you were in need of someone to strengthen you as well at that time.
Ultimately, you endured and survived what must have been the greatest loss and most devastating and heartbreaking pain of your life up until that point.
I suffered the horrific and unexpected loss of two loved ones two years ago.
I am getting by one day at a time.
It's very true that "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
I get a little bit stronger every single day, by the grace of God.
May you have many, many happy and blessed days, my friend!
I can't imagine passing away like this. It must have been so distressing and horrific for this poor young man.
Hypothermia can cause a person to become overheated paradoxically as well as cause very erratic behavior.
Maybe he feared getting stuck due to his clothes. It’s puzzling, to say the least.
Well said. 💚🧜♀️
True, but that would have had to happened before he ended up stuck in the chimney, as some of his clothing was found neatly folded in the cabin.
Paradoxical undressing & erratic behaviour are signs of advanced hypothermia, so he would have needed to have been hypothermic well _before_ he removed clothing & somehow climbed into the chimney.... and given how close he was to home, if he was getting that cold he could have easily reached safety before it became a problem. There's also the issue of the grate at the top of the chimney and the bar pushed up against the fireplace opening at the bottom... highly unlikely that he could close himself in like that, whether of sound mind or not.
I'm watching every video you post and sitting through the ads I hope the channel grows and viewership goes up. Love to you all❤
Same. Except for that weird o e that seems to be a 57 minute show and not an ad. That one gets 35 seconds.
I don't like to sit through the ads that's why I pay for UA-cam
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Me too!
@@WVgrl59 this channel is struggling have you seen their community posts. Watching ads helps them that's all.
Idk why, but I’ve always had the idea that it could have been a prank gone wrong? Like maybe friends forced in there and left him overnight only to discover he’d died of hypothermia or lack of oxygen. Just an idea. 🤷🏻♀️
Why take your clothes off? Makes no sense
I had wondered something similar! It starts as a joke: friends dared him to strip down and go outside. They lock him out and he tries to get in through the chimney. He gets stuck and the friends panic. It's possible he dies of lack of oxygen long before hypothermia. Friends barricade the chimney and agree to never speak of things again. If it happens intentionally, paradoxical undressing from hypothermia is a possibility. The only hiccup in both ideas is that the chimney is supposed to be blocked off my a mesh screen.
@@gingersnap7822Good points. He could have been already in the cabin somehow and tried to climb up the chimney, not down. Only to get up there and find the mesh? Could have gotten stuck coming back down.
@@sydneyalisonbaker Possible! Climbing *up* a chimney seems incredibly difficult, but so does shoving a dead-weight body up a chimney.
Good one now let’s just say hypothetically speaking what if it was the guy who found him that actually did it and is disguising the truth 🤔🤔 just saying even tho the cabin been there how do we know he ain’t kill him dropped him off to the cabin now did he fold him up ??? Who knows now all of sudden he want to take down the cabin after all those years to create what was it ? Property …how we know he not faking the funk by playing “the oh I found a body guys oh my!! Idkkk ppl are deceiving but just a thought…. chime innnnn!!!
I always felt strongly that this was a case of bullying gone wrong
This case definitely needs to be reopened because a possible murderer is currently walking free
This case always stuck with me. You can tell from his photo he was a vibrant and good looking young man. What a way to go...
Thank You So Much For This! I Remember This, So Heart Breaking 💔!!
This is the most comprehensive video I've seen on this case. It's so sad his family lost both of them in such a short space of time.
This family has endured such sadness 🥺
It doesn't seem like just an accident to me, but if hypothermia was a possible cause of death, it might also explain his taking off his clothes
I've heard of that , too. I can't remember what they call it but that is a definite possibility.
@@snippyJ His clothes were in a neat pile next to his shoes. If he'd already got into the cabin to place his shoes, why did he go feet first up the chimney? The chimney also narrowed as it went down and he was stuck fast at the narrowest point with his knees up to his chest.
Spent a long time researching this mystery. I believe he was killed.
@@donnamcdonald-g8nHis clothes being “neatly folded” is a common misconception. No where in primary sources of this case has it ever been stated that the clothes were folded, only that they were found near the fireplace opening.
Drugs.
@@donnamcdonald-g8nand that one guy claimed to have put someone “in a hole”. He knew Josh and had been hanging out with him.
Going down a chimney naked is not a typical way to commit suicide so I'm leaning towards murder especially with the position his body was found i find it hard to believe that he would have been able to make his feet go in that angle himself so its most likely that he was stuffed down the chimney by someone else
Yeah, there’s really no chance this was a self deletion.
Not down the chimney but up it. There was no way to enter the chimney from the top because of the metal grate, therefore no way to stuff something in from the top either.
At first, I was like, this was just a terrible accident. I didn't understand the comments, but after watching the whole video, I understand why so many think it was murder.
I hope his family gets answers.
Me too. Its strange
TWO BLOCKS from his home?? How was it not searched and how did no one smell decomposition?
It's the 1st place I'd search
I don’t believe it was an accident. Despite what the coroner says
Also, why take your clothes off and go up in and enter a chimney from the top. that is so insane
Probably did el gee bee tee kinky with multiple patriarchs
You wouldn't get your clothes dirty and it would be easier to wash soot off your body than your clothes.
There have been many people who have tried to break into places by going down a chimney or an air vent not realizing that gravity along with it becoming narrow would be impossible to go through.
Im thinking that maybe was trying to get in, and not get caught up with his clothes or be smaller? But there was not any other way in??? That’s what’s strange.
Why would anyone try to break into a cabin through a chimney?
When a window is... Just there.
And the disrepair the building was in makes it even more weird that one would bother with trying to get in through a chimney over a door or window.
That's the weird thing, in the case it details that he was clearly already in the cabin. So it makes even less sense into why would he end up hidden where he was? While some of his belongings and clothes were already in the cabin
That’s a very weird case for sure…a lot of unanswered questions!
At least that coroner had the integrity to realize that he might be wrong: you'd be astounded how many people in and around government won't even consider doing that.
This one has always stuck with me. So many things point to foul play and a bunch of the details really show that he couldn't of been alone and he couldn't have done all this by himself...
Ever since I first heard this story, I don't believe his death was an accident or suicide. Who takes their clothes off and climbs into a chimney head first?
Agree but it's a very strange murder too?
It reminds me of the witch elm story.
Eerie.
Yes..I fear they removed clothing to make it "easier"....
In the past ten years, at least 3 men have died after getting stuck in chimneys. It's much more common than we realize. Sometimes it's teenagers, other times it's burglars or people with mental illness or drug issues.
If you let someone do that to you then it's your own damn fault. Why would you let someone turn your death into a grotesque freakshow instead of fighting to the bitter end? A sad and pathetic freakshow for all the world to see 😢
And the grate replaced and his clothes folded on the inside....yeah...that's as likely as that Gareth dude who locked himself in a duffel bag naked to kill himself after he was in MI6 or whatever it was. Williams I think was his last name.
RIP, Joshua 😭💔
Wait… they didn’t report him missing for FIVE days??? That’s very fishy.
I think joshua hooked up with a stranger and it turned into a crime of opportunity.
He knew murderer Andrew Newman
There is a similar case about a boy called Harley Dili who was 14.That case is on yt.too.
Awesome as always ❤
This is such a tragic and mysterious case. Poor Joshua and his family having to endure so much sadness and loss. There are just so many unanswered questions surrounding Joshua's death - how did he end up inside the chimney with the wire mesh in place? Who removed his clothes? The coroner's ruling of accidental death doesn't seem to fit all the unusual circumstances. I hope one day the truth about what really happened to Joshua can be uncovered. His memory deserves for all the questions to be answered and for justice to be served if foul play was involved. My heart goes out to the Maddox family in their struggle to find closure in this devastating situation.
This case is beyond strange!!!
I wonder if mental illness has been ruled out. Schizophrenia begets strange behavior like this and average onset in late teens/early 20s. Bipolar and psychosis can also result in strange behavior and is usually paired with sky high levels of artistic creativity which he had. Hallucinogenic drug experimentation often kicks the schizophrenic gene into play, and is the true version of the stories we grow up on where a kid we know 'Took a bunch of acid and never came down." His brother committed suicide so there was a family history of some kind of mental illness. How awful for his parents to lose two children. 😢
Aaaahhh shut your yap
How did they determine that he must have entered the chimney from the top? Couldn't he have climbed up from the bottom? This would explain why the wire mesh would have made no difference.
His feet wouldn't have been over his head.
Unless he got stuck then passed away. He could have fallen out at a slow rate. He's body contorting in ways that a living body couldn't. He was in there a long time. My real question is why tracking dogs couldn't find him. His scent should have been strong jmo
Have you seen what it's like trying to enter a chimney from the bottom? It's literally impossible unless you have a jack hammer. It's much more likely that he was put in the chimney and another individual closed off the top of the chimney by reconnecting and reattaching the metal mesh. It's not possible for him to have done on his own. Regardless of what the real truth is to this crazy situation
@@Matagot90 They possibly would have, if he got stuck on his way up and tried to climb back down.
@@benmcreynolds8581 Actually no. Chimney sweeps in the past, for instance, used to mostly climb UP chimneys not down from the roofs of houses. I'm baffled as to how and why they determined that he must have climbed down from the top - unless I'm missing something.
Well, he definitely did NOT come down the chimney from the top because the metal mesh rules that completely out.
(The cabin owner has no reason to lie about the metal mesh being in place and intact when they started the demolition of the chimney.)
So, that leaves the ONLY avenue by which he entered the chimney as being from the bottom, and he certainly did NOT rip a massive, affixed bar from the wall, drag it across the room, and place it in front of the fireplace AFTER he climbed up inside of the chimney FEET FIRST.
Someone clearly did this to him.
Maybe he was molested (hence his clothing being removed), murdered, and then placed in the chimney?
Maybe it started out as a bullying "gag," and the person(s) who put him in the chimney promised to come back and let him out later.
He may have asked to take his clothes off to keep from ruining them, which explains why they were folded neatly INSIDE of the cabin.
They may have never planned on coming back at all, or they did return to free him and discovered that he had died from positional asphyxiation.
We may never know the entire truth, but we do know that he didn't do this to himself!
Law enforcement failed this young man AND his family by not using common sense and not fully investigating what happened to him.
May he and his brother rest in peace together.
😢❤😢
Kendrick Johnson and Joshua Maddux both of these cases haunt me. No way they are accidents.
It’s pretty likely that this was an accident. I don’t know how that’s hard to see.
“I don’t believe there is any unexplained mystery here. He died of misadventure. First of all, where is there evidence that the clothes were folded? I feel this is one of those things that has been twisted in the retelling of the case. As far as I can tell, the clothes were found outside the hearth, it was not originally said they were folded.
Secondly, there was never any evidence found of any steel rebar or any kind of steel covering the chimney. It is entirely possible that the owner only thought it was there but never actually saw it, said it was there to protect himself from being liable, or it was there but had rusted and disintegrated after years of being in place. Thirdly, the “legs above the head” position is quite easily explained as well. His body was quite decomposed and his legs had come away from the body, it is quite possible this caused the torso to move down lower. It is also not uncommon for the body to have moved like this after death due to gravity.”
Also, the clothes being off is easily explained by not wanting them dirty. That part for me makes a ton of sense.
@@reallyidc8275 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
Kendrick was a tragic accident
Accident? No. This young man was not an idiot. He was adventurous. This was out of character. He was trapped in the chimney. Josh was stuck up the chimney. Somehow , the truth will come out.
This is one of those unsolvable puzzles. How he managed to get into the chimney by himself or be put there by someone is a real conundrum. However, I don't think he was put there by someone. The manner and position of his body, along with the tight confines of the space, suggests that the person who put him there would have to be inhumanly strong. And if he was indeed murdered, wouldn't simply burying the body under the floorboards be an easier way to hide the corpse? Additionally, I can't believe that it took his family five days to report him as missing. Nothing about this sad case seems to add up
Mother of 5 boys the 1st place I'd wanna search is an abandoned cabin..boys drawn to that sort place..so many questions. RIP Josh
The cabins owner (and property developer) insisting on it being a murder is a way of deflecting a possible lawsuit. Similar to not fencing in a pool or owning a vicious dog.
That would be a loser. How dare they have a chimney where an adult could climb in and get stuck, stinking up someones cabin for years...
That's sounds more like a home invader suing the people he tried to rob because they shot him or he fell off the porch, loot in hand, and broke his leg.
I’m forced to disagree. While that kind of chicanery is not without precedent (for example, the 1981 Stardust fire in Dublin, and its bogus verdict of arson), the fact that the property owner and Zachary‘s family are in agreement about their suspicions seems to preclude any possibility that the owner would fear prosecution or legal action from them. That being the case, there is no need to invent such a story, and moreover, his explanations seem to be very good ones.
He was such a nice, kind looking young man. This story is tragic and bizarre. I comfort myself by thinking that Zach and Joshua are together again somewhere far away from this cruel world.
This is so sad. RIP Joshua.
Maybe held against his will. Tried to get out by the chimney. Thought less clothes would make it easier to get up it. Made it up and maybe got stuck and fell? Just a theory.
Oh wow what a sad, tragic story 😢 he must have been murdered I feel so sorry for the family thank you DC 👏👏👏👏😍
I can't be the only one who when I hear that they're laying for found without lower clothing and in a unnatural position above their heads who's mind immediately runs to sexual assault.
Considering how police usually fall all over themselves when a male is found missing, I find it weird that the police really didn't do anything and didn't check that cabin. Not to jump on conspiracy theories, but has anyone looked at the individual policeman? That would give them the impetus not to really investigate this.
This case is baffling. There is no reason why he should be in the chimney, considering the house sounds like it was in such a bad state of repair that he could probably have gotten in easily. Maybe he was threatened? Came across a bad lot? Such a shame regardless.
How is this channel not up there with Adrian (coffeehouse crime), Mike (That Chapter), John Ballen and the like? Shes like the internet investigator, but without ungodly amounts of yorkshire accent.
Thank you 💙
Internet investigator is one of my favorite channels, I've tried to get into coffeehouse and that chapter but they just don't do it for me. Criminally Listed and Cold Case detective are my 2 and 3rd fav, but dark Curiosities is hands down my favorite
@@bushlovesska criminally listed, I just wanna give the guy a hug
@@bushlovesskaTruly Criminal is a good one, too
Harry's Horror Hive is a great new-ish one. Watch that star's rapid rise!
Talk about lazy law enforcement. There is no way you will ever convince me that he took all of his clothes off and climbed into a chimney and don't forget how he moved a large item and blocked the fireplace before doing all of this. He was a very intelligent kid. I don't believe he would do something so dumb as to climb into a chimney naked. Also, there are far easier ways to unalive yourself and I feel Joshua was smart enough to know this. Law enforcement didn't know what to do so they called it an accident/suicide and moved on. Lazy. RIP Joshua. You are not forgotten.
Who climbs to the roof and willingly or UNwillingly enters a chimney? That’s a lot of work and why go in naked? It would take a very strong person or people to get him up there? Too strange!!!
Dying in a chimney is more common than people realize. Sometimes it's teenagers. Sometimes it's burglars. In recent years, at least 3 men have died after getting stuck in chimneys.
Who takes off their clothes and burrows into tight spaces?
Answer: anyone with hypothermia.
They're called Paradoxical Undressing and Terminal Burrowing, and they are very well understood symptoms of the condition.
I can see where someone would think they could get into a home by climbing into, and up the chimney if all points of entry were sealed closed. I can see taking clothes off to not get caught up on anything or to be smaller in a chimney, but I would be inclined to think drugs or alcohol were involved due to it just being a poor choice. It’s very strange.
Imagine his family knowing he was so close and probably yelling for help for hours. Poor kid.
I think people are looking into it too deep, he must probably got hyperthermia (which makes you think you are very hot and delusional) he then striped off his clothes and climbs into the chimney looking for cover.
Thanks!
This sounds like murder to me . Being stuffed into the chimney with no clothing on other than his top is really weird sounding . He was put there by person or persons . Way to suspicious and strange how he would end up in a chimney at a cabin in the woods.
Occam’s razor:
Is it more likely an owner who hadn’t been there in 10 years, but insists the metal grid was still in place is wrong; or is it more likely a young man was foolish and/or drunk and/or high enough to try to see if he could squeeze through a chimney? Was he in there goofing around with friends who locked him out? Did he foolishly lock himself out? Many scenarios without foul play that are more plausible than deliberate murder.
I agree, Kate. Wasn't clear how the mummified remains were actually discovered. The photo shows a mostly intact chimney ?? Was the chimney in the process of being broken up, when Josh was discovered inside of it? Were the remains first seen, looking into the chimney...and viewed from the interior or exterior of the cabin ?? (That little cabin looked really cute)
I've heard this story before but after watching it again, with some extra details, I couldn't help but wonder if it could have been self-inflicted by paranoia or misadventure. His clothes being neatly folded and the chair against the door makes me feel he did those things; maybe felt comfortable enough to undress (for whatever reason, is another issue) and maybe after previously ingesting something (my best guess is Marijuana-induced paranoia or even psychosis) and he was compelled illogically to 'hide away' in the chimney, considering he put things in front of the door (unfounded fear). That's just my guess.
I am in the belief that in order to not get caught up in the chimney, he took his clothes off.
Agreed.
Mushrooms.
There’s a really interesting Reddit thread about this. Apparently a guy Josh knew, Andrew, was boasting about “putting him (Josh) in a hole.” This guy apparently has quite the arrest history too and is extremely violent.
Edit: Never mind, I just got to that part in the video lol
I am reading this while she's talking of it 😂❤😂❤
Was found with his hands and feet facing up. No possible way he crawled up. Only had on a tee shirt. The rest of his clothes, minus the underwear, found folded inside the cabin, by the chimney. High on mushrooms, some other hallucinogenic, or some drug cocktail? Or fell in? Wanted to end it all? The other alternative, he was stuffed in there, would require 2 people to carry him up a deteriorating cabin and roof. Really?
It's quite possible that Joshua waded through some water as he was walking. His pants, socks and shoes get wet. He breaks into a cabin because he's cold and needs shelter. Maybe he tries to start a fire but it won't draw. He starts looking for a reason, being quite slender he decides to go up into the chimney looking for an obstruction, gets caught, tries to turn around, dies of positional asphyxia. A subsequent squatter, looking for shelter, comes in and tries to block the death smell coming from the fireplace with the piece found in front of it. Animals die in chimneys not infrequently, they'd have assumed that was the case. People die doing dumb things, even very bright people. Look up the story of the brilliant female doctor who died when her drunk self decided to crawl into the chimney of her boyfriend's house.
Not every situation is homicidal, no matter how desperately the family wishes for someone to blame and punish. 🤷🏼♀️
ah great theory! i think ur right! someone blocks the fireplace AFTER hes already long dead to rid of the smell! this is purely accidental by johusa..but why is this close so neatly folded, i don't get that part..was joshua a neat freak?
If he was wet and cold, why wouldn't he just go home? The cabin was 2 blocks from his house; he wouldn't need to break in there for shelter.
Death by adventure. 18 year old people often lose their life due to curiosity. They take strange risks. Josh had been in the cabin before, through a window, then door & enjoyed exploring its every part, looking for any 'treasure'. The coroner got it correct, the 1st time. Poor Josh 😢
This one’s so weird. You wanna say it was clearly hypothermia because of the clothes being taken off (and because this happens with kids and chimneys unfortunately). But then the clothes are folded nearly outside instead of tossed or ripped off from the chimney.
It’s really a stretch to imagine this as foul play though.
I’m left thinking that, because the investigation was already hampered, that we aren’t getting accurate information in the report. It would be easy to misrepresent something like where and how the clothes were found, which would wholly make this far more complicated sounding than it is.
How awful that Joshua was found lodged in the chimney. Will we ever find out why. Poor lad. Rest in peace Josh🤍
I heard other accounts and it's still just baffling. Other details made it even odder. Chimney blocked off, clothes inside?
Yes I heard there was fourniture pushed against the fireplace and the clothes folded elsewhere in the room
Im halfway, thinking: it was an accident
He was stuck😢
I don’t think it was an accident to be honest.
"2 blocks away from the family home" How much is a block i meter or foots?
I wonder if the animals already smelled his decaying body …I wonder 💭
What a cute guy with a great happy face. Such a sad event.
So sad.
3:22 I’ve read elsewhere and watched other covers on this story and it was mentioned that they weren’t worried when he didn’t return home and cared much, it was until several days later when they decided to even bother looking for him….
I’ve always been a watcher not now I’m starting to think the content creator just throws in stuff to make the video sound good. The family couldn’t be bothered that he was gone and brushes it aside almost….idk where you got the whole the family was worried as night fall came and all that limbo jumbo💀💀💀💀💀
My heart goes out to the parents. What terrible tragedies.
I'd heard of this case before but wasn't sure if the story had been embellished and if so by what extent. To me neither accidental death or foul play makes any sense. As you point out it's unlikely that Joshua removed most of his clothes before entering the chimney from the roof head first or from the fireplace feet first. It's also unlikely that a killer would go to the effort of inserting his dead body feet first into the chimney, surely it would be easier to do that head first? I've never hidden a body, that just seems like it'd be easier.
The police not doing much is par for the course in Colorado. Andy Newman def needs to be looked at by decent LE. Poor Josh. Zachary too. I’m sincerely sorry for the Maddux family. May they receive proper answers regarding Josh. Thank you DC. 💫
Seriously? Think about it. How did this young man get transport to cabin? Why would he have been inside cabin - evidence is his clothing - ONLY in cold weather, scale a roof, remove the mesh, and try to get down chimney? Not feet first, but fold himself in half and do it, then trapped die of hypothermia. That scenario is stupidity on steroids. Obviously he met someone who took him there and something transpired that he lost his clothing. Then was taken up on top of cabin and forced down chimney in an unnatural way that killed him. Killer(s) left.
The cabin was less than 2 blocks from his house.
He fell down the chimney and was trapped. No foul play. It wasn't suicide as no one would do it that way.
How do you explain the no clothes below his waist?
This is a sad addition to the series - Bourne Identified.
The owner sounds like he has no idea what was going on in and around the cabin. Theres no telling when the breakfast bar was moved, if the clothes fell off due to decay or snagged and ripped off. The owner (or whoever maintained the property) smells a smell one day and sees clothes in a crappy cabin no one visits? Folds them? Moves the bar to keep the animals out. That mesh was probably long gone and he fell and got stuck.
I wonder if maybe he attempted to explore the abandoned cabin, but got attacked by a squatter or transient inside it or in the surrounding area, murdered and stuffed into the chimney..
I haven't gotten through the entire video yet, though
Some people think it was his friend and serial murderer Andrea Newman
I saw this comment elsewhere and it made sense to me. “I don’t believe there is any unexplained mystery here. He died of misadventure. First of all, where is there evidence that the clothes were folded? I feel this is one of those things that has been twisted in the retelling of the case. As far as I can tell, the clothes were found outside the hearth, it was not originally said they were folded.
Secondly, there was never any evidence found of any steel rebar or any kind of steel covering the chimney. It is entirely possible that the owner only thought it was there but never actually saw it, said it was there to protect himself from being liable, or it was there but had rusted and disintegrated after years of being in place. Thirdly, the “legs above the head” position is quite easily explained as well. His body was quite decomposed and his legs had come away from the body, it is quite possible this caused the torso to move down lower. It is also not uncommon for the body to have moved like this after death due to gravity.”
Also, the clothes being off is easily explained by not wanting them dirty. That part for me makes a ton of sense.
I don't know any 18 year old that would find adventure in going up a chimeny that is only so high, on his own. I like what you said about the metal grate, I'd like to know more about that.
That kid was murdered.
I suspect he was killed before being pushed up into the chimney. I do hope there is some real answer some day because it is the most unusual of sad cases. Rest in peace Joshua.
Didn't anyone else hear that he had some form of Autism? Clearly he didn't think about the end result of getting stuck there permanently unfortunately.
I thought so but that was Joshua Maddox.
The owner of the cabin stated "the chimney was built 20 years old ago, and the top was fitted with steel rebar to prevent animals and debris from entering. This would have made it impossible for Josh to climb into the chimney."
Some think Andrew Newman killed him and stuffed him in the chimney.
I read all this after I had made one comment not realizing it that he was naked from the waist down. It is one thing not to have a shirt on but not to have anything to cover your genitals in a soot covered confined area.
RIP!
Someone knows something this is just too weird
Poor kid R.I.P Josh 🩵🕊️🩵
I've known of this case for sometime. This seems to be a different version. According to other reports Josh had attempted to climb down the chimney but as it became narrower he eventually got stuck. It seemed to be a cut and dry case of death by misadventure,
I agree with the family that something isn't right about this case. No kid is going to take off his pants and underwear to climb down a chimney. Especially since his clothes were found folded up by the fireplace it shows he was all ready in the cabin. So how could he climb up a chimney feet first. There was also rebar installed on top of the chimney to stop animals from coming through that would have made it nearly impossible for him to enter at the top. He was found in fetal position in the chimney. There was also a part of the bar or counter from the cabin pulled in front of the chimney so how did he climb up feet first and pull something in front of the fireplace. I think maybe he was meeting someone there for a rendezvous or someone set him up with the wrong person. I think he was killed and put in the chimney. It might have taken two people to do that.
I’m sorry but there is someone that knows what happened. There is no way this kid was alone. He was probably there with friends and they’re afraid to come forward.
Thank you DC🙏🏼💔🕊️🦌😓
Wasn't there a film or something made about these events
Missing 411 case
Famous case.
It's sick, crazy, evil incident😢 totaly meaningless.
For a boy that was bright he was not too damn bright. Or was he killed and then put inside the chimney?
Rip
Im sorry this poor kid was murdered. Its clear.
Nice work Sherlock, you cracked the case
Definitely foul play here,i reckon.😥😞
He was absolutely murdered.
You can't tell me that a sexual predator didn't have something to do with this case. Why was his pants folded neatly and why would he wind up headfirst in the chimney. It looks like he was pushed. I find it funny if he was trying to enter building why was his pants inside the building
Unless he was exploring and didn't want his clothes getting dirty. I just feel like this was a tragic accident. I'm confused why an abandoned cabin, so close to his own home, wasn't checked? How about tracker dogs? His scent should have been fresh early on.
Too bad those police
didn't follow all leads !
This beautiful, talented young man clearly was murdered ! As a tax payer, I am angered at what I think was negligence !
As a non tax payer I am also angered
Dying after getting stuck in a chimney is much more common than most people realize. There have been recent cases in California, Nebraska, and Georgia.
FBI AGENTS NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE!!!
When the murderer pushed him down the chimney during his struggle to grasp at something his pants shoes were scrubbed off. That killer is who folded his clothes up and tore out the breakfast bar and deliberately moved it to block the inside of that chimney… he was killed by someone he made an acquaintance with … and not knowing his violent past….
Sounds like murder
I believe he is murdered
Who takes off their clothes and burrows into tight spaces?
Answer: anyone with hypothermia.
They're called Paradoxical Undressing and Terminal Burrowing, and they are very well understood symptoms of the condition.