Thank you for having me on, Blanter! I really appreciate the opportunity of getting to yap for 45 mins about each important character lmao. (P.S, Khan did nothing wrong)
Dude I agree I’ve been saying Cyn plush for a looooonng time. Though I really want a Cyn x Tessa plush. Edit: J is what we call a Lawful Neutral written perfectly.
Actually I've had a dumb idea on how to give Khan development, and give N something to do that isn't related to Uzi. Have N be Khan's therapist. In episode 4, have Khan be the one who rides the bus, taking V, N, Uzi, Lizzy, and Thad to camp 9.87 Uzi would insist on going on her own, N would try and follow her but Khan would yell at him that he doesn't want a Disassembly Drone going after his daughter, leading Thad to follow her instead, V and Lizzy would think it's dumb and go explore together, leaving Khan and N alone. N would probably try and find the root of Khan and Uzi's distant relationship before finally realizing that Khan's wife was dead and Khan clearly wasn't over it. Seriously, an arc of Khan forgiving the Murder Drones, as well they did do wrong, they also were programmed to view the Workers as targets, along with only being told they were sent by their creators (JC Jenson) to kill infected Workers. It would give Khan some much needed character, while giving N some depths, as he'd form a positive relationship with someone who isn't Uzi, allowing him to reflect on his actions and who he wants to be in the future. God I wish that was actually what Cabin Fever was, N being Khan's therapist sounds kinda funny, okay?
@@Sable-Table lol, I'm actually debating making a comic on wattpad, a rewrite of episode 4, maybe 5, 6, 7, and 8 (the story I'd rewrite would probably have enough changes where episode 8 would be completely different from the episode 8 we'll be getting soon).
I actually don’t think this is a dumb idea at all! N is my favorite character, not just because he was comedic relief, but because I thought it was endearing to see a Murder Drone who saw the best in everyone. It’s comforting to see how he’s able to provide some levity for a robot such as Uzi, who struggles to find others to connect with. And for him to play therapist, and try to understand Uzi’s dad is definitely something he would do. For me, sometimes it’s the simplicity of those characters that make me love them so much ❤️
I genuinely like the Tescyn twist (I’m finally talking about a character who isn’t V, wow). It’s vile and nightmarish, but it also reads differently to me because Cyn seemed to copy Tessa’s posture and hairstyle. Seeing her wearing her skin almost looks as though she wanted to either look like her or *be her.* They’re both pretty similar beyond physical appearance. Cyn was discarded and a bit of an outsider at the manor, Tessa doesn’t have any friends that aren’t drones. Cyn was falling apart, Tessa was chained up by her mother. Both care deeply about N, albeit in different ways. I also like it because it proves that Cyn’s kindness has limits. She wanted to spare her, but Tessa, a scared child, tried to play hero against an unfathomable monster and lost. It’s tragic and horrific, yet it doesn’t make me hate either. Cyn gave Tessa one chance, and she used it up. Just like how N gave her one chance. I would rant about V, but I made this comment way too long already. Let’s just go with “I hyper-fixated on her since I started the show and caught her character development because of that.”
Personally, on Doll, I feel that while her death was actually quite well done (hell, I'd dare say perfectly even), I feel the idea of her coming back could be just as feasible. We know both Cyn and Doll are zombie drones, both wield the Solver and must consume abnormal amounts of oil to live. Yet, along with that, we've never actually seen what happens when a zombie drone eats one of their own kind. I imagine if they pull the Doll returns card, she could maybe pull an Alien chestburster move by fighting her way out of Cyn's body, maybe effectively injuring her during an intense fight scene. I swear, this is one of the things I love about this show. So much we've seen and yet there's still a load that could be pulled off, like potentially repairing the destroyed crucifix (assuming it isn't forgotten or completely lost in Ep 8) and V coming back, be it mostly/fully intact or as a core crab. So much crazy, yet not too nonsensical stuff here, and by God I love it.
I've always liked the Cynessa plot twist. I do agree it is at a cost, that being a really good angle for the show, and potential depth to it. But on that, I'm not sure how much of the final two episodes could dedicate to the "human angle" but yeah. However, like what Vanitymoth said in his Ep. 7 review on the twist it gives Cyn a hateable moment, an egregious act to make her work as the main bad guy of the story. Like is Tessa was spared, it makes Cyn look benevolent for sparing Tessa. Sure, she blew up Earth, but it didn't really mean anything. We didn't see Earth die, and all the other humans prior suck or are not relevant. So we're told Cyn is bad, instead of shown it. However, with the twist, it give Cyn that egregious moment. She killed an innocent kid who got herself something way over her head. Especially being one of the kindest to Cyn, she backstabbed her, but didn't discard her as she promised. Also, something very subtle is that Cyn always wanted to copy Tessa. They share the same hairstyle and bow, and they both have a familial love for N. (Tessa being like N's mom, and Cyn being like N's sister.) So she gets to basically role-play as Tessa in probably one of this sickest designs I have seen in a character ever. It gives her the egregious moment to make her a hateable villain.
I didn’t even think about that. The first bit I mean. How farther could they have gone knowing this was a single season? I adore the Cynessa twist. Mostly for the sake of N’s character. And the potential with J.
@@justarandomdude797 im split on it. On one hand it’s sick and I like that its a hateable moment, but on the other hand tessa wouldve been nice to see. Im leaning more towards liking it bc of what N did tho.
I remember watching the reveal and just being like, “Oh! That’s so gross!” It’s nightmarish to think about and look at, but I just can’t hate Cyn because of it. I think it’s because it almost feels like what happened to Cyn. She got her body taken over by AS, and she went on to use Tessa’s body. Maybe it’s because Tessa was a teen and Cyn comes off as childish, but all I feel is sadness and affection towards them.
.... doll dying is kind of the point of her character. she's meant to be a dark reflection of uzi. she dies because she refuses to let herself open up to others. her death is meant to be a tragedy. an avoidable tragedy caused by her own stubbornness and inability to open herself up
Honestly the funniest way Nori and Khan could reunite is if they do that stupid slow motion running thing where they're both calling each other's names and just as they're about to meet Cyn dropkicks Nori somewhere and Khan is just faced with Cyntessa (ik this wouldn't ever happen and Khan's probably gonna be rightfully pissed, but it's something to think about)
Neat video, was fun to listen to your thoughts and opinions and especially the creative hypothetical scenes. Here are my thoughts as I was watching: 4:32 I think you missed the more gradual arc he had regarding authority. He is a _doormat_ to authority in episode 1, and even in episode 2 he's hesitant to talk bad about J. In episode 3, V is now the closest thing he has to authority, and he tries his best to negotiate with her without causing any harm and gets punished for it; his "you kind of suck" moment is the first time he's ever bad-mouthed anyone on-screen. He's more assertive in episode 4, directly butting heads with V and arguing over what to do. Episode 5 explores his pre-Copper 9 mindset and doesn't really count. Episode 6 shows him starting to relapse now that one of the people he trusts, Tessa, is around to take charge, though he is still questioning. Episode 7 has him at the end of his patience, with him even making deadly ultimatums to someone who, as far as he knew, was human and effectively his "owner" in the past. It's not super obvious or flashy, but he does have an arc over the course of the series, even if his core personality or attitude doesn't really change. 7:16 Well that's kind of the thing with Murder Drones, you're not meant to watch it in one sitting. There is so much that is basically required to rewatch and pause and analyze just to see the foreshadowing or lore or explanations. 12:04 She still has it while working directly with Tessa in episode 5, though? 13:30 About that (: 15:50 I'm pretty sure the whole point is that it's fake and forced in order to lure V into the trap. 21:30 Honestly, that sounds cool (if you were referring to it happening in episode 4, which is the assumption the next sentence carries). Even better is if they're both going feral and neither is really in control, they're reduced to traumatized animals with godlike powers. 22:41 I mean, he _is_ a robot... 26:14 Perhaps even the _Austronaut?_ 28:05 I think it comes down to her wanting the others to help her _willingly._ She could just kill them and remake N and V, but she likes them to _some_ degree and wants them to think they're doing the right thing. Maybe she's just being sadistic and wants to pull the rug out from under them, maybe it's some fucked up version of compassion or sentimentality, who knows, but she went through a lot of effort to set up them believing her to be Tessa. I'm trying not to bring too much episode 8 into this, since this video came out before that, but she definitely seemed super committed to the ruse until you-know-what happened. Perhaps she's pulled this trick on them before on other planets. 36:38 It had been more than a decade since she got stabbed, so it makes sense that she got over it. 39:44 No timestamp for Alice and Beau.
28:00 in episode 8 it is revealed she can be neutralised simply by tearing out her core, i think she was working from the shadows so no one would try to damage her core, since she is fragile, and also the heart ripped out wasn’t made up for epsiuode 8 and was foreshadowed in episode 7, where nori is listening to BITE ME by ajdispirito and its at the lyrics “Take my heart, eat my soul LET IT BURNN YOUUUU”
okay the point with cynessa is HUGE tbh, 100% would've preferred N realizing that he was in the wrong with killing tessa, that he's now a villain per se
So wow. Uhh. That was epic and definitely worth the wait! 🤙 The opinions definitely based, discussing the issues with characters and how they were played out. The khan one was definitely the best. Why no teacher? :(
I don’t remember where it was (I’m assuming Tessa or J) one of u guys clapped at J and Tessa clinked cups. It was perfect. Also I mostly agree. And yes I admit I am blindly in love with N. Lizzy was perfect. Braden x V 😭. I was… an addition. Khan is forgiven. Episode 5. And that’s all I have to say. This was fun to watch!! Also love where Alice picks up the phone and etc I NEED THAT.
I personally feel like Thad should’ve lived for the Uzi Massacre for multiple reasons. Thad standing up to Uzi is entirely in character, my man was ok with going head to head, two murder drone and and eldritch flesh monster. It also shows that he has a good value for overall just…people. Him standing up to Uzi would let her know that while these people are mean to her…they still are people. That wouldn’t have worked well if Thad was dead. Episode 4 treats the whole Uzi Massacre as a “lol silly thing” moment at the end of the day and Uzi doesn’t really get reminded of it. Killing off thad would offset the balance to much, as it either makes Uzi a mary sue, or complicates the plot way to much as she has to make sure she fucked up throughout some other episodes. If Thad were to survive but still confront Uzi it would mean so much for the story and it humbled so many of the characters for the better. Uzi realizes that not just N was her friend, and while she may have a crush on him, she was disregarding other people, it would help N and Uzi’s romance feel more natural. N and Uzi had like…3-4 times where the story gave us a “their gotta love each other” moments..which I dislike. Thad being alive but still is important to the plot would allow N and Uzi’s bonding grow without it feeling like a relationship cliff hanger. It would also support N as a character, N gets to see Uzi hurting an actual friend of his and he can genuinely talk about that, however, he still recognizes that Uzi strayed away from killing Thad and thus, would feel an importance to be there for Uzi. In short…glitch..why was that not in episode 4 except to push over a canoe.
I think i can agree with most of your guys takes except for the tecyn twist. I still think it was perfectly executed, there was a lot of overshadowing for it and it genuinely left me shocked after watching it, the only problem is that it ruined tessa's character which kinda sucks ngl. Now tessa isnt really my fav character but i can understand the fans who actually liked her, seeing this twist as a bad writting decision. I will still defend this plottwist. Its gotta be one of my favorite moments in the serie. (W collab btw)
Glad you can at least understand how it completely butchered Tessa's character. Having functional ears is a skill that many people don't have nowadays, as it just goes in one end and completely out the other. I appreciate it.
@@Yagsterr thank you man : ) Thats why I love your channel. You have many diffrent opinions on this show and sure i may not agree with everything you say but I genuinely respect that you are making an actuall good argument on why you support your statement. Not gonna lie you actually got me thinking about the tecyn twist. I agree with some of the things you said in this video. There is unfortunately a lot of wasted potential with tessa. Now despite all of it, I still think the plottwist was perfectly made and I like the direction that Liam decided to chose. But still i understand that you hate the reveal. Come to think of it the only actuall time that we see tessa being normal is in episode 5 but she well... didnt get much screentime. Im gonna say this once again but I love your vids and daily polls. You definitely made me experience the good side of this fandom a lot better :D
@@Lodzkie_mapping My pleasure dude. You have my respect for being a functional human being who is open to different ideas and actually willing to hear out well presented arguments. We need more people like you. 🤝
@@Yagsterr thank you for the kind words man. Im kinda sad that i dont have an opportunity to comments on your polls. Main reason being is that I live in europe (more specifically in Poland) and everytime you upload these polls its like 2am in my country and I dont really feel like staying up late just to leave a my point of view in the comment section (hope you understand). But despite that I still like reading others people's opinions when I wake up. Its always fun to see people uniting and discussing their own takes on this show.
So when you said that it would of been cool if Cyn being the bird was interesting as apparently before the tag appeared and Uzi spoke, I really thought that was the case
honestly feel like there couldve been plenty of potential for thad ngl. maybe he could've been alongside uzi while trying to understand all of solver stuff and all that hell... or a alternative being having him covince bunch of workers to fight or distract j or cyn, and maybe they all die at the end of the fight, but only thad stays alive as he gets thrown somewhere far away, and when thad sees the workers he caused to die cuz of his optimism, could do something for him, ya know? idk, whats ur opinions or criticsm abt this idea, or uhh ur take of it
@@pyroonbusinesschannel118 those are some neat ideas. Not sure I would have him lose his optimism cuz thats what makes him thad, but not bad ideas at all
@@blanterdang6112 hmmm well anything you could reccomend? (also had a cool idea, what if cyn implemented her self in tessas body as a parasite and moment tessa dies, cyn finally takes over her)
41:20 Spinoff show idea' where the main story of our show is over. But this story takes place in another Solar system in an entirely different story. Where this has taken place after episode 8, if the Absolute Solver loses. and much of whole cast is dead now. This story is about humans fighting murder, the solver is going now, so murder drones are no longer being produced and now the humans are making a big push to finish them off So the more of this story line, the robots are not the main line the humans are I have this whole story in my head right now. That would make a great Sequel story
The khan scene in episode 1 I would think he did something wrong….IF IT WAS FOR THESE DAMN DRONES BEING SO DAMN FAST. I think the reason I and other fans of the series can’t get over that scene is because he didn’t try which I know sounds stupid but when I say that I know for me when I say that, I wouldn’t want to sit and watch another family member die to the same murder drone or even live with the guilt of knowing I left them behind due to nothing else but my own fear. That’s just my take on it but I do really like how khan developed as a character throughout the series and throughly believe he redeemed himself. I do think he did something wrong in episode 1 and he simply got his redemption slowly throughout the series.
i feel like it's so weird that no popular md theorist really acknowledges that tessa and J are/were in love. it would make a lot of sense - i have an entire written thing about every single possible jessa moment in the series, but one of the really big ones is that during ep5, when J breaks the chain that is restraining tessa, the link flies off and hits a heart on a nearby dollhouse (like i said i have a lot more shit about their relationship). like everything about their relationship screams more than friends and it feels weird to have them just be gal pals LMAO
Uzi inadvertently killing Thad in episode 4 would make so much sense! It would make Uzi’s killing spree feel way more impactful and have Thad exit the story in a meaningful way.
@@theepic1944 Uzi could snap out of it when she kills Thad, then she could re-enter Murder Mode when V attacks her. N would then intervene and everything past that would happen just like in the show with the exception of Thad’s death leaving an impact on Uzi.
@@theepic1944 I forgot to mention that his death would leave more of a lasting impact on Uzi. His death would also mark a tonal shift as the show enters its more serious moments.
I can imagine Uzi not using the absolute solver out of fear because of what happened to thad and we could get an episode where Uzi has to deal with her trauma of killing thad because before N thad was the only person who supported Uzi and understood her and was the only one trying to fight back for others, so him killing off and pretending it's not a big deal is a middle finger to his character.
No disrespect toward Liam, but I don't think he was ready to do a full series like Murder Drones. A lot of the writing problems could of been avoided if he had given himself the time to develop the characters and the world the show takes place in. A season 2 would of given the show much needed time to tell the main story properly. He had to compressed a whole story into only 8 episodes and had to skip a lot of important story telling to achieve the short time frame. While I love Murder Drones, I feel Liam wasn't the best pick to write it. No disrespect just my opinion.
Very nice commentary on these characters I have to say. If I was going to give my thoughts on the characters, it'd go like this. I'll split into 2 parts since it's pretty long. Part 1 Uzi: There are three main things I'd change to improve her character. #1: I'd actually make her not the main focus, but a side one like N and V instead. Truthfully, making her the main focus I feel was not the best of ideas. Let's be honest here. What is Uzi best known for in the show? Her gremlin like personality, her emo angsty teenager quips, shouting, "Bite me!" And of course, making a badass railgun. To me, this is what defines her character more than anything, not her whole so called Solver arc. Speaking of that... #2: I'd remove her having Solver powers and use the railgun instead or actually fully commit to her having them if it can't be avoided. Yea, I know this one is going to be a bit of a controversial take, but the more I look at Uzi's so called journey being infected, the less I like it. The show is just too inconsistent when it comes to this. They try to do something shocking like Ep 7 when Uzi was fighting N after Cyn took her over and was going to even eat her mom then they chicken out by having her snap out of it with a simple joke from N. Ugh! Yea, I know Uzi snapped out of it in Ep 4 when N did something similar, but the difference was Uzi was in her beginning phases of being taken over by the Solver. By ep 7, Uzi should have been beyond the point of no return, especially taken into account she was pushing her Solver powers into overdrive when trying to help N in ep 6. This just feels like a cheap copout to be frank. Don't get me wrong. The N and Uzi fight in Ep 7 was great. That's not my problem with it. The problem I have with it is HOW it was resolved. That should have been the point where Uzi was too far gone for N to bring back and he would have no choice but to kill her in order to survive. Or at the very least neutralize her. #3: Uzi ends up becoming the main villain at the end fully possessed by Cyn. The way Ep 6 ended, I was almost certain the show was going in that direction to make it a real tragic Romeo/Juliet type relationship between these two characters. But no, instead it's Cyn disguised as Tessa. Ugh, I'll get to that eventually. Bottom line is, I just think this would have worked perfectly as the twist where the main protagonist of the series turns into the main villain and the very first murder drone she runs into ends up becoming the main hero in a sort of role reversal thing. I'm not going to say it's a perfect idea, but I think it would have been a heck of a lot more interesting had Ep 7 ended with Uzi fully under Cyn's control and N has no choice but to stop her in order to save the planet as well as himself for Ep 8's finale, but that's just me. N: I don't have much to say on his character when it comes to improvements. I think for the most part, he was handled pretty well. However, there are two things I'd change to improve about his character. #1: Show him really caring about V as his best friend when it mattered most. This is something that's irritated me more and more as the series progressed. N goes from being madly in love with V in the pilot to... getting over her possibly being dead two minutes later after Tessa/Cyn tells him to cool it about not being to help her in Ep 7. Like, SERIOUSLY?! I know Uzi became the love of his life and I understand V hasn't exactly been the nicest to him either. Even so, this is N we're talking about. He's the kind of guy who would forgive you even if you decapitated him and tossed his body into the garbage bin. Yea, I know that's not the best of examples, but my point is, N is someone who loves his friends dearly and that's why even if he would get angry with V about hiding stuff like in Ep 4, he still wouldn't stop caring about her. I just don't believe N would ever do that. N is as loyal as they come when it comes to his friends. Showing him not even being angry with Doll about it once is REALLY poor characterization on his part. I mean, he clearly saw what Doll did there. How could he not be upset about V possibly dying as a result of it? #2: Actually show him snap completely. Yes, I know Ep 7 sort of showed that, but I'm talking a full blown rage moment where N is like, "NO MORE!" I want to see this guy basically do that to Cyn in Ep 8 that with everything on the line, he's not going to stand by and let her get her way about things, especially if she ends up killing several of his friends, which I believe Cyn will, if not more. Don't get me wrong. I like N being the sweetheart he is, but he needs this kind of moment to grow as a character too to show how far he's willing to go to protect those he loves. I seriously hope N will do something like this in Ep 8 because if he doesn't, then it'll feel like a huge wasted moment of his story arc. V: She is without a doubt my favorite character, so I wouldn't change too much about her. With that said however, here's two changes I'd make to actually give her some depth. #1: Have her be the main focus instead of Uzi. Again, nothing against Uzi, but V's storyline is 10X more interesting than Uzi's, especially taken into account the show wouldn't even fully commit to her Solver arc when it came to losing herself entirely. Anyway, back to V. I seriously wanted to find out WHY V is so scared about her past that she can't tell N. What happened all those years ago that caused her to clam up and try to hide it from him in her misguided means to protect him. THAT to me would have been a much fascinating storyline to follow rather than Uzi trying to find out about what happened to her mom, especially when the show pulled a dumb move by having Nori be alive. I'll get to that later as well, but point being considering this show is called Murder Drones, a murder drone should have been the main focus, ESPECIALLY once Ep 2 happened. I'm fine with Uzi being the main focus in Ep 1 because it's a great way to subvert expectations, but by the second episode, it should have shifted to N and V with Uzi taking more of a backseat. #2: Actually have V's behavior towards Uzi between Ep 2 to Ep 6 feel more natural. If there's one thing the show kind of dropped the ball on when it came to V's story arc when it came to Uzi. She seems to antagonize Uzi for... mostly no reason. I mean, sure, it's funny and all, but other than Ep 3 and 4, V's hostility towards Uzi felt like her just being mean for the heck of it. And then to have Ep 6 shift gears completely where V says she trusts Uzi? WHY would V ever trust Uzi? I mean, this is the same girl who literally was about to kill her with a chainsaw at the end of Ep 5! And now she's ok with her? Yea, I'm just going to say it... this felt extremely forced and out of left field. Don't get me wrong. I'm perfectly fine with V learning to get along with Uzi, but it needed to be earned. This wasn't. J: This is one character that clearly was done dirty when it came to the main cast next to Thad. Anyhow, how I would improve J is #1: Give her a best friend like V has with Lizzy and/or a love interest like N. Had Tessa still been alive, I could have SORT OF let this go since Tessa could have filled that role, but taken into account Tessa is dead and Cyn is just impersonating her, then I think J should've had someone to connect with on an emotional level. Maybe another disassembly drone that shared her love for the company and killing worker drones. Maybe even have it be a male worker drone that J had romantic feelings for. I mean, why not? I see no reason why J couldn't have something like that since N and V had that. #2: Show J being less mysterious about whose side she's on. Ep 6 and 7 sadly have made J's actions very confusing. I mean, I'm all for characters being mysterious, but not in this case. Why couldn't the show J that she's doing all this to help who she believe is the real Tessa or is she fully aware of her being Cyn and is out to destroy the planet as well? My guess is it's the former and not the latter from what we've seen in the Ep 8 trailer, but my point is, there was no point to trying to hide it, especially with the whole Cyn is Tessa reveal. Plus, J is most likely going to die anyway, so is it really going to be that big of a twist if she's still evil or no longer?
Part 2 Lizzy: I don't have too much to say on her since she is a side character at best, but if there is one thing I'd have changed, it would be this: #1: Actually show her giving a crap about things that have happened and/or going to happen. If there is one thing that's bothered me about Lizzy's character is how nonchalant she is about things in-spite of everything's that happened. I mean, would it kill Liam to show Lizzy showing some form of emotion about all the friends she's lost and the fate of the world at stake? I'm not asking for her to get all angsty or even bawl her eyes about it, but SOMETHING where we see all the events between Ep 1-4 have changed her in some way. Not just, "We're going to save the planet now, Thad. Whoo hoo!" -.- Thad: Even though he's my second favorite male character in the show, I sadly don't have too much to say on him either, but if there is one thing that should have been changed, it is this. #1: Have his relationship with Uzi and N actually mean something considering what all they went through together in the first two episodes. Honestly, it baffles me to this day WHY Liam changed it to where Thad acts like he barely even knows who Uzi and N are anymore. Yes, I get the fact Uzi was going to be paired up with N. Fair enough, but that doesn't mean Thad still couldn't have been someone they hung out with. I'm not saying Thad had to tag along with them in the later episodes, but still... show SOMETHING where Uzi still cares about Thad and visa versa,. Actually have Uzi feel conflicted about who she loves more due to both N and Thad giving her something unique when it came to their friendship. Just shoving Thad to the sidelines was a REALLY stupid move, ESPECIALLY taken into account Thad is now helping to save the planet. Yea, what was the point of Thad not being apart of the story in the latter episodes if he's just going to show up in the finale for no reason at all other than... fan favorite character. Doll: Even though I hate her as a character, that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see her improve as an antagonist. With that said, here's my three changes I'd make to her. #1: Actually commit to her being the side antagonist. While I hated what Doll did in Ep 3, what I hated more was how the show then chickens out about it in the latter episodes, trying to half ass her so called redemption about wanting to be free of the Solver in Ep 7. I mean, seriously, if you're going to have her be Uzi's rival, then freaking commit to it! Really show how ruthless Doll can be to go get her way about things. #2: Give her a fight to the death with N and/or Uzi. Considering what Doll did in Ep 6, N at least should have been so enraged about it that he'd try to hunt down Doll to kill her the first chance he'd get. Yea, I know N is not the type to do that, but again, this is his best friend we're talking about here. If he would decapitate Tessa/Cyn over her harming Uzi, then he should have been willing to do the same to Doll over V's supposed death. Uzi too should have been upset about it considering V's supposed last words were, "Uzi, I trust you." I know they weren't close, but again, V by that point had warmed up to Uzi, even if it did feel forced. Point is, Uzi should have wanted to make Doll pay for all the crap she put them through in one manner or another. #3: Show Doll having remorse over killing her classmates in Ep 3. If there is one thing that would have made me sympathize with Doll a little bit, it would have most definitely been this. The whole time, I was waiting for SOMETHING to show me why the fans like her so much. But it didn't. Doll never once showed any remorse for her actions. If anything, she seemed to enjoy killing back in Ep 3. Even Ep 6, she has an evil smirk on her face about siccing the Sentinels on Uzi and the others. So yea, why am I supposed to feel sorry for this character exactly? Because she lost her parents and wants to avenge them? Ok, that's nice and all, but why couldn't she have just gone after V personally instead of killing her innocent classmates? I mean, there was no reason for it at all other than she wanted to. Doll could have easily tracked down V herself if she was that determined to kill her. But no, that's not what happened. Had we gotten even one scene with Doll where we see how guilty she feels for the murders she committed and felt like she had no choice but to do that due to the Solver possessing her, then that would have made me at least feel a little bit sorry for Doll and understand her a bit better when it came to her motives. But nope... that's not what happened. Khan: Another character I don't have too much to say about, but there is one major change I'd make, it's this... #1: Make his actions more consistent from Ep 1-Ep 7. Yea, I'm just going to say it. Khan's actions in Ep 7 feel completely out of the left field in comparison to his previous episodes. This is the same who left his daughter for dead in the pilot. And while I certainly why he did, why all of a sudden would he get the courage to fight? I mean, he's been portrayed as nothing but a coward the entire time. WHY now would he rise up to fight? Because everyone's lives are at stake? Ok, that's a nice motivator and all, but could we not have seen a single transition about him realizing he needs to stop being afraid and man up? That's all I'm asking. Just one small scene of him looking at his wife's closet, thinking about everything that's happened and realizing he can't stand by any longer. I really don't understand why the show couldn't have given us that. Tessa: Oh boy;... now we're arrived at one of the worst ones when it came to characterization, or should I say... poorly executed. Anyhow, to get into it. Here's my change I'd make to Tessa. #1: Actually commit to her being a morally gray character instead of the villain in disguise. I too hated the Cyn is Tessa twist because even though it does technically work, it completely ruins a story element when it came to N's story arc: Having him choose between the one who loved him in the mansion and the girl he's in love with now. I SO wanted to see N in that sort of dilemma because he needed it as a way to make his story all the more heartbreaking because either way, he loses someone he cares about. It would have made the series all the more sad and tragic when it came to its finale. But no... instead we get... Cyn is back and we must stop her. Yay? Yea, I know it technically works, but it's like choosing between a good hamburger and a AAA grade steak. You'll still enjoy a hamburger, but you would have enjoyed a thick juicy steak a whole lot more. Tessa could have been a very memorable character had they committed to this, but no... we get the pointless plot twist instead. -.- Cyn: This is another one I don't have a lot to say about, but if I had to make one change, it'd be this. #1: Have it be she's currently without a body and instead possess whoever she can to achieve her goals. Honestly, I think that would have been a lot more interesting than wearing Tessa's corpse because it would mean anyone could fall prey to her virus and become her puppet. If he has her own body, then what's the point of hopping around from drone to drone to posses them? Nori: This one is going to be short and sweet, but... #1: Nori stays dead. Yea, having her be alive in Ep 7 was completely pointless. Unless she does something amazing in Ep 8(which I highly doubt), then her being brought back was nothing but a huge waste of time. Anything she did could have easily been given to another character or shown in a flashback. There was no reason at all for her to be still alive if she wasn't even going to accomplish anything important. #2: Actually have Nori's past be much darker. If the show is going to commit to Nori's past as part of its storyline, then actually have it be something worth exploring. Don't half ass it with a, "Oh, the core collapse was an accident." BS." No seriously, the more I look at that, the more I hate it because it feels like a copout rather than a shocking reveal. Why Liam went this route, I'll never know. Having her and Yeva causing it due to being under the Solver's control would have worked so much better. Speaking of Yeva. Yeva: Same as Nori. Stay dead(hopefully) and have her too commit a huge mass murder spree in the Cabin Fever Labs when escaping it while under the Solver's possession. Doll's dad: This is character that sadly feels like he's just there to explain why Doll is there. Anyway, if I was going to change anything about him, it'd be this. #1: Have him actually have a purpose in the story. Doll's dad is so irrelevant in the story that he might as well not even exist and Yeva just made Doll by herself. I mean, seriously, what does he contribute to it other than being Doll's dad? NOTHING. That's why I'd have it so he not only has a name, but survives until the murder drone attack in the pilot. That way, it would logically explain why Doll never tried to kill until after it. Have it so her dad was the last one keeping her sane and once V killed him in the evacuation site, she snapped and vowed to make them pay for killing her parents. I'm not saying it's a perfect explanation, but it works in the context of the story we're shown. Braiden: Honestly, I really don't have anything to say about him. I think for the most part his character works as is and served his purpose in the story. I suppose him surviving until the end could work, but not sure how exactly since that would mean he'd have to fight in Ep 8 and we don't know if he would be able to or not. I mean, it'd be interesting to see what he could do, but I don't know if him using a weapon would be worth him being around or not.
@@Jonathan83X khan was portrayed as a coward in episode 1, from after that he wasnt. Take episode 3 for example, he rushed in to try to save uzi but was cut off by doll closing the doors.
@@blanterdang6112 Fair point. Khan did try to investigate what happened in Ep 2 regarding the situation. And yes, while he did try to help Uzi in Ep 3, he also did try to run away when V showed up. Not saying I blame him, but I digress. Ep 4 I'll give him a pass since he was explaining to Uzi the situation about Nori's past. Ep 5 I think is the one I have the biggest problem with Khan regarding his sudden change in Ep 7. He's just... sorta there, not really doing anything important and doesn't even seem to care Doll showed up despite all the carnage she caused in Ep 3. He doesn't even take credit for Doll saying he raised a good daughter, almost as if he knows he sucks as a parent. So yea... stuff like that is why Khan's John Conner like approach in Ep 7 felt very jarring to me. Don't get me wrong.. I'm all for him taking action. I just wish the show would have showed us SOMETHING where he realizes he can't stand by idly by any longer and has to get involved.
Thank you for having me on, Blanter! I really appreciate the opportunity of getting to yap for 45 mins about each important character lmao. (P.S, Khan did nothing wrong)
@@Yagsterr TRUE! Also thx for reaching out :)
Free mah boy Khan he did nothing wrong
@@Excavator32 agreed
Dude I agree I’ve been saying Cyn plush for a looooonng time. Though I really want a Cyn x Tessa plush.
Edit: J is what we call a Lawful Neutral written perfectly.
Am I the only Darren fan…?🙁
Not J having like one episode of screentime💀
Actually I've had a dumb idea on how to give Khan development, and give N something to do that isn't related to Uzi.
Have N be Khan's therapist.
In episode 4, have Khan be the one who rides the bus, taking V, N, Uzi, Lizzy, and Thad to camp 9.87
Uzi would insist on going on her own, N would try and follow her but Khan would yell at him that he doesn't want a Disassembly Drone going after his daughter, leading Thad to follow her instead, V and Lizzy would think it's dumb and go explore together, leaving Khan and N alone.
N would probably try and find the root of Khan and Uzi's distant relationship before finally realizing that Khan's wife was dead and Khan clearly wasn't over it.
Seriously, an arc of Khan forgiving the Murder Drones, as well they did do wrong, they also were programmed to view the Workers as targets, along with only being told they were sent by their creators (JC Jenson) to kill infected Workers. It would give Khan some much needed character, while giving N some depths, as he'd form a positive relationship with someone who isn't Uzi, allowing him to reflect on his actions and who he wants to be in the future.
God I wish that was actually what Cabin Fever was, N being Khan's therapist sounds kinda funny, okay?
Istg I wanna write some sort of fanfic thing for this 😭
Great idea, that's actually really cool!
@@Sable-Table lol, I'm actually debating making a comic on wattpad, a rewrite of episode 4, maybe 5, 6, 7, and 8 (the story I'd rewrite would probably have enough changes where episode 8 would be completely different from the episode 8 we'll be getting soon).
@@TotallyNot0020 well I'd definitely read it :D
Good luck on that btw
@@Sable-Tablefuck it man, write that fanfic! Link it in this comment section! I wanna see you do what you think is fun!
I actually don’t think this is a dumb idea at all! N is my favorite character, not just because he was comedic relief, but because I thought it was endearing to see a Murder Drone who saw the best in everyone. It’s comforting to see how he’s able to provide some levity for a robot such as Uzi, who struggles to find others to connect with. And for him to play therapist, and try to understand Uzi’s dad is definitely something he would do. For me, sometimes it’s the simplicity of those characters that make me love them so much ❤️
I genuinely like the Tescyn twist (I’m finally talking about a character who isn’t V, wow).
It’s vile and nightmarish, but it also reads differently to me because Cyn seemed to copy Tessa’s posture and hairstyle. Seeing her wearing her skin almost looks as though she wanted to either look like her or *be her.*
They’re both pretty similar beyond physical appearance. Cyn was discarded and a bit of an outsider at the manor, Tessa doesn’t have any friends that aren’t drones. Cyn was falling apart, Tessa was chained up by her mother. Both care deeply about N, albeit in different ways.
I also like it because it proves that Cyn’s kindness has limits. She wanted to spare her, but Tessa, a scared child, tried to play hero against an unfathomable monster and lost. It’s tragic and horrific, yet it doesn’t make me hate either. Cyn gave Tessa one chance, and she used it up. Just like how N gave her one chance.
I would rant about V, but I made this comment way too long already. Let’s just go with “I hyper-fixated on her since I started the show and caught her character development because of that.”
@@Dressup_Doll yeah i kinda like it
Personally, on Doll, I feel that while her death was actually quite well done (hell, I'd dare say perfectly even), I feel the idea of her coming back could be just as feasible. We know both Cyn and Doll are zombie drones, both wield the Solver and must consume abnormal amounts of oil to live. Yet, along with that, we've never actually seen what happens when a zombie drone eats one of their own kind.
I imagine if they pull the Doll returns card, she could maybe pull an Alien chestburster move by fighting her way out of Cyn's body, maybe effectively injuring her during an intense fight scene.
I swear, this is one of the things I love about this show. So much we've seen and yet there's still a load that could be pulled off, like potentially repairing the destroyed crucifix (assuming it isn't forgotten or completely lost in Ep 8) and V coming back, be it mostly/fully intact or as a core crab. So much crazy, yet not too nonsensical stuff here, and by God I love it.
@@admiralstone2456 i actually agree I like the way she was handled
I've always liked the Cynessa plot twist. I do agree it is at a cost, that being a really good angle for the show, and potential depth to it. But on that, I'm not sure how much of the final two episodes could dedicate to the "human angle" but yeah. However, like what Vanitymoth said in his Ep. 7 review on the twist it gives Cyn a hateable moment, an egregious act to make her work as the main bad guy of the story. Like is Tessa was spared, it makes Cyn look benevolent for sparing Tessa. Sure, she blew up Earth, but it didn't really mean anything. We didn't see Earth die, and all the other humans prior suck or are not relevant. So we're told Cyn is bad, instead of shown it.
However, with the twist, it give Cyn that egregious moment. She killed an innocent kid who got herself something way over her head. Especially being one of the kindest to Cyn, she backstabbed her, but didn't discard her as she promised. Also, something very subtle is that Cyn always wanted to copy Tessa. They share the same hairstyle and bow, and they both have a familial love for N. (Tessa being like N's mom, and Cyn being like N's sister.) So she gets to basically role-play as Tessa in probably one of this sickest designs I have seen in a character ever. It gives her the egregious moment to make her a hateable villain.
I didn’t even think about that.
The first bit I mean.
How farther could they have gone knowing this was a single season? I adore the Cynessa twist. Mostly for the sake of N’s character. And the potential with J.
@@justarandomdude797 im split on it. On one hand it’s sick and I like that its a hateable moment, but on the other hand tessa wouldve been nice to see. Im leaning more towards liking it bc of what N did tho.
I remember watching the reveal and just being like, “Oh! That’s so gross!”
It’s nightmarish to think about and look at, but I just can’t hate Cyn because of it. I think it’s because it almost feels like what happened to Cyn.
She got her body taken over by AS, and she went on to use Tessa’s body. Maybe it’s because Tessa was a teen and Cyn comes off as childish, but all I feel is sadness and affection towards them.
@@Dressup_Doll When I said Cyn, I ment the solver controlling Cyn. But that's a pretty interesting thing to think about tho.
.... doll dying is kind of the point of her character. she's meant to be a dark reflection of uzi. she dies because she refuses to let herself open up to others. her death is meant to be a tragedy. an avoidable tragedy caused by her own stubbornness and inability to open herself up
@@insertnamehere1398 yep
Its possible she is still alive though. There are theories about her being inside cyn or smth
Honestly the funniest way Nori and Khan could reunite is if they do that stupid slow motion running thing where they're both calling each other's names and just as they're about to meet Cyn dropkicks Nori somewhere and Khan is just faced with Cyntessa (ik this wouldn't ever happen and Khan's probably gonna be rightfully pissed, but it's something to think about)
That would work!!
@@Nori_DoormanCoreOh hi Nori! 👋
@@Murder_dronesRules Hiii
unfortunately that didn't happen (it would be HILLARIOUS)
19:12 "her parents are dead, womp womp" is INSANE 💀
@@SuperStamps I forgot I said that 😭
10:41 That whole stream sounded like a bunch of raccoons with access to Internet
J needs more screen time!
#justiceforJ
Neat video, was fun to listen to your thoughts and opinions and especially the creative hypothetical scenes. Here are my thoughts as I was watching:
4:32 I think you missed the more gradual arc he had regarding authority. He is a _doormat_ to authority in episode 1, and even in episode 2 he's hesitant to talk bad about J. In episode 3, V is now the closest thing he has to authority, and he tries his best to negotiate with her without causing any harm and gets punished for it; his "you kind of suck" moment is the first time he's ever bad-mouthed anyone on-screen. He's more assertive in episode 4, directly butting heads with V and arguing over what to do. Episode 5 explores his pre-Copper 9 mindset and doesn't really count. Episode 6 shows him starting to relapse now that one of the people he trusts, Tessa, is around to take charge, though he is still questioning. Episode 7 has him at the end of his patience, with him even making deadly ultimatums to someone who, as far as he knew, was human and effectively his "owner" in the past. It's not super obvious or flashy, but he does have an arc over the course of the series, even if his core personality or attitude doesn't really change.
7:16 Well that's kind of the thing with Murder Drones, you're not meant to watch it in one sitting. There is so much that is basically required to rewatch and pause and analyze just to see the foreshadowing or lore or explanations.
12:04 She still has it while working directly with Tessa in episode 5, though?
13:30 About that (:
15:50 I'm pretty sure the whole point is that it's fake and forced in order to lure V into the trap.
21:30 Honestly, that sounds cool (if you were referring to it happening in episode 4, which is the assumption the next sentence carries). Even better is if they're both going feral and neither is really in control, they're reduced to traumatized animals with godlike powers.
22:41 I mean, he _is_ a robot...
26:14 Perhaps even the _Austronaut?_
28:05 I think it comes down to her wanting the others to help her _willingly._ She could just kill them and remake N and V, but she likes them to _some_ degree and wants them to think they're doing the right thing. Maybe she's just being sadistic and wants to pull the rug out from under them, maybe it's some fucked up version of compassion or sentimentality, who knows, but she went through a lot of effort to set up them believing her to be Tessa. I'm trying not to bring too much episode 8 into this, since this video came out before that, but she definitely seemed super committed to the ruse until you-know-what happened. Perhaps she's pulled this trick on them before on other planets.
36:38 It had been more than a decade since she got stabbed, so it makes sense that she got over it.
39:44 No timestamp for Alice and Beau.
Personally love how dolls dad was talked about because he honestly deserves to have a backstory that makes him at least somewhat relevant
28:00 in episode 8 it is revealed she can be neutralised simply by tearing out her core, i think she was working from the shadows so no one would try to damage her core, since she is fragile, and also the heart ripped out wasn’t made up for epsiuode 8 and was foreshadowed in episode 7, where nori is listening to BITE ME by ajdispirito and its at the lyrics “Take my heart, eat my soul LET IT BURNN YOUUUU”
N is perfect the way he is
I quite literally dream of someone out there making this exact video, thank you...
@@seannathanielsalvador459 np
okay the point with cynessa is HUGE tbh, 100% would've preferred N realizing that he was in the wrong with killing tessa, that he's now a villain per se
I think Tessa in episode 7 is really underrated. Especially when she kills Doll, that was her most badass scene
MY BRO COOKED WITH THIS ONE! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
[EDIT] The plushies are with me! I’ll give my review after I finish cuz this is a big project
So wow. Uhh.
That was epic and definitely worth the wait! 🤙
The opinions definitely based, discussing the issues with characters and how they were played out.
The khan one was definitely the best.
Why no teacher? :(
I don’t remember where it was (I’m assuming Tessa or J) one of u guys clapped at J and Tessa clinked cups. It was perfect. Also I mostly agree. And yes I admit I am blindly in love with N. Lizzy was perfect. Braden x V 😭. I was… an addition. Khan is forgiven. Episode 5. And that’s all I have to say. This was fun to watch!! Also love where Alice picks up the phone and etc I NEED THAT.
glad you enjoyed! i didnt even notice the clink think lol
What if N's iconic line could be "I'll bite." (Basically, you know your being baited but you accept anyways.) So that Uzi and N could kinda match :0
BEST BOY N IS PERFECT THE WAY HE IS LET HIM BE
since tessa sounds like an australian girl
uzi in episode 5 IS A MAGPIE
25:55 I love how the glass clink synced with the clap
@@persik123 that was so unintentional i never noticed it
I personally feel like Thad should’ve lived for the Uzi Massacre for multiple reasons.
Thad standing up to Uzi is entirely in character, my man was ok with going head to head, two murder drone and and eldritch flesh monster. It also shows that he has a good value for overall just…people. Him standing up to Uzi would let her know that while these people are mean to her…they still are people. That wouldn’t have worked well if Thad was dead. Episode 4 treats the whole Uzi Massacre as a “lol silly thing” moment at the end of the day and Uzi doesn’t really get reminded of it. Killing off thad would offset the balance to much, as it either makes Uzi a mary sue, or complicates the plot way to much as she has to make sure she fucked up throughout some other episodes. If Thad were to survive but still confront Uzi it would mean so much for the story and it humbled so many of the characters for the better. Uzi realizes that not just N was her friend, and while she may have a crush on him, she was disregarding other people, it would help N and Uzi’s romance feel more natural. N and Uzi had like…3-4 times where the story gave us a “their gotta love each other” moments..which I dislike. Thad being alive but still is important to the plot would allow N and Uzi’s bonding grow without it feeling like a relationship cliff hanger. It would also support N as a character, N gets to see Uzi hurting an actual friend of his and he can genuinely talk about that, however, he still recognizes that Uzi strayed away from killing Thad and thus, would feel an importance to be there for Uzi.
In short…glitch..why was that not in episode 4 except to push over a canoe.
I think i can agree with most of your guys takes except for the tecyn twist. I still think it was perfectly executed, there was a lot of overshadowing for it and it genuinely left me shocked after watching it, the only problem is that it ruined tessa's character which kinda sucks ngl. Now tessa isnt really my fav character but i can understand the fans who actually liked her, seeing this twist as a bad writting decision.
I will still defend this plottwist. Its gotta be one of my favorite moments in the serie. (W collab btw)
yeah i dont hate it tbh its mostly yag that does
Glad you can at least understand how it completely butchered Tessa's character. Having functional ears is a skill that many people don't have nowadays, as it just goes in one end and completely out the other. I appreciate it.
@@Yagsterr thank you man : ) Thats why I love your channel. You have many diffrent opinions on this show and sure i may not agree with everything you say but I genuinely respect that you are making an actuall good argument on why you support your statement. Not gonna lie you actually got me thinking about the tecyn twist. I agree with some of the things you said in this video. There is unfortunately a lot of wasted potential with tessa. Now despite all of it, I still think the plottwist was perfectly made and I like the direction that Liam decided to chose. But still i understand that you hate the reveal. Come to think of it the only actuall time that we see tessa being normal is in episode 5 but she well... didnt get much screentime.
Im gonna say this once again but I love your vids and daily polls. You definitely made me experience the good side of this fandom a lot better :D
@@Lodzkie_mapping My pleasure dude. You have my respect for being a functional human being who is open to different ideas and actually willing to hear out well presented arguments. We need more people like you. 🤝
@@Yagsterr thank you for the kind words man. Im kinda sad that i dont have an opportunity to comments on your polls. Main reason being is that I live in europe (more specifically in Poland) and everytime you upload these polls its like 2am in my country and I dont really feel like staying up late just to leave a my point of view in the comment section (hope you understand). But despite that I still like reading others people's opinions when I wake up. Its always fun to see people uniting and discussing their own takes on this show.
So when you said that it would of been cool if Cyn being the bird was interesting as apparently before the tag appeared and Uzi spoke, I really thought that was the case
HECK YEA! KHAN IS THE BEST CHARACTER!
i'm actually scared because my favorite character has the longest section
honestly feel like there couldve been plenty of potential for thad ngl.
maybe he could've been alongside uzi while trying to understand all of solver stuff and all that hell...
or a alternative being having him covince bunch of workers to fight or distract j or cyn, and maybe they all die at the end of the fight, but only thad stays alive as he gets thrown somewhere far away, and when thad sees the workers he caused to die cuz of his optimism, could do something for him, ya know?
idk, whats ur opinions or criticsm abt this idea, or uhh ur take of it
@@pyroonbusinesschannel118 those are some neat ideas. Not sure I would have him lose his optimism cuz thats what makes him thad, but not bad ideas at all
@@blanterdang6112 hmmm well anything you could reccomend?
(also had a cool idea, what if cyn implemented her self in tessas body as a parasite and moment tessa dies, cyn finally takes over her)
@@pyroonbusinesschannel118 mostly just the episode 4 thing I said in there
@@blanterdang6112 ah aight
41:20 Spinoff show idea' where the main story of our show is over. But this story takes place in another Solar system in an entirely different story. Where this has taken place after episode 8, if the Absolute Solver loses. and much of whole cast is dead now. This story is about humans fighting murder, the solver is going now, so murder drones are no longer being produced and now the humans are making a big push to finish them off
So the more of this story line, the robots are not the main line the humans are
I have this whole story in my head right now. That would make a great Sequel story
11:57 don’t sing it don’t sing it don’t sing it don’t sing i-
The characters can be improved by having a season 2 XD
I know right???? Khan is one if not the best characters on murder drones
@@databrawlfan_4930 he is goated
J is my third favorite character in the show
I agree, Khan is already perfect
"Khan is perfect" in the thumbnail
Damn right he is
yes he is
The khan scene in episode 1 I would think he did something wrong….IF IT WAS FOR THESE DAMN DRONES BEING SO DAMN FAST. I think the reason I and other fans of the series can’t get over that scene is because he didn’t try which I know sounds stupid but when I say that I know for me when I say that, I wouldn’t want to sit and watch another family member die to the same murder drone or even live with the guilt of knowing I left them behind due to nothing else but my own fear. That’s just my take on it but I do really like how khan developed as a character throughout the series and throughly believe he redeemed himself. I do think he did something wrong in episode 1 and he simply got his redemption slowly throughout the series.
25:55 The timing.
Am I the only one who is loser baby in the background music?
18:46 STAYIN ALIVE
In next season they basically do V x Lizzy if they do it right way not force way
Where's Mitchell smh
@@Fleiszer we ran out of time unfortunately 😔
#JUSTICEFORJ
i feel like it's so weird that no popular md theorist really acknowledges that tessa and J are/were in love. it would make a lot of sense - i have an entire written thing about every single possible jessa moment in the series, but one of the really big ones is that during ep5, when J breaks the chain that is restraining tessa, the link flies off and hits a heart on a nearby dollhouse (like i said i have a lot more shit about their relationship). like everything about their relationship screams more than friends and it feels weird to have them just be gal pals LMAO
Hello
I don't wanted to say but V is my lest favorite character in the show
@@NanakPrasad-be4yi wrong opinion spotted
@@blanterdang6112 sorry but I don't like her
nukes have been sent to ur EXACT location for that heresy
@@Rzaba_what you mean
Man I don't like V why are you taking it very seriously I just don't like her attitude to how he treats N Uzi and other workers drones
where can I find this? 6:35
@@vegemite6 ill tell you when I have the time to check
@@blanterdang6112 ye ok :>
@@vegemite6 if you mean my V analysis its on my channel but heres the link ua-cam.com/video/YJqCZM_RZho/v-deo.htmlsi=O83eaEbSo-93S_fZ
@@blanterdang6112 thanks
I still highly doubt they'll kill off J a third time.
@@SD-VThe_LovablePsycho0100 idk they might
@@blanterdang6112 They better not.
32:09 is that your opinion or the truth because i don’t think he is in general
@@YourOldPalHunter that was a joke lol
The video should've been how to improve every indie cross character because its better than murder drones
No way, dude, you know Indie Cross? You have my respect
Uzi inadvertently killing Thad in episode 4 would make so much sense! It would make Uzi’s killing spree feel way more impactful and have Thad exit the story in a meaningful way.
That would make no sense because Uzi easily snapped out when N threw her up in the sky.
@@theepic1944 Uzi could snap out of it when she kills Thad, then she could re-enter Murder Mode when V attacks her. N would then intervene and everything past that would happen just like in the show with the exception of Thad’s death leaving an impact on Uzi.
That's one of the stupidest story idea I ever heard, kill off Thad and pretend he never existed. That's a middle finger to his character.
@@theepic1944 I forgot to mention that his death would leave more of a lasting impact on Uzi. His death would also mark a tonal shift as the show enters its more serious moments.
I can imagine Uzi not using the absolute solver out of fear because of what happened to thad and we could get an episode where Uzi has to deal with her trauma of killing thad because before N thad was the only person who supported Uzi and understood her and was the only one trying to fight back for others, so him killing off and pretending it's not a big deal is a middle finger to his character.
No disrespect toward Liam, but I don't think he was ready to do a full series like Murder Drones. A lot of the writing problems could of been avoided if he had given himself the time to develop the characters and the world the show takes place in. A season 2 would of given the show much needed time to tell the main story properly. He had to compressed a whole story into only 8 episodes and had to skip a lot of important story telling to achieve the short time frame. While I love Murder Drones, I feel Liam wasn't the best pick to write it. No disrespect just my opinion.
He is the creator of the series.
@@theisegai56 He is unfortunately. It might of been better if the idea of MD came across the mind of someone else.
@@BladeNight02 I strongly doubt that.
EARLY!!!!!!!
ALSO, GREAT VID!!!!
@@Ice4ever_67 thx
Very nice commentary on these characters I have to say. If I was going to give my thoughts on the characters, it'd go like this. I'll split into 2 parts since it's pretty long.
Part 1
Uzi: There are three main things I'd change to improve her character.
#1: I'd actually make her not the main focus, but a side one like N and V instead.
Truthfully, making her the main focus I feel was not the best of ideas. Let's be honest here. What is Uzi best known for in the show? Her gremlin like personality, her emo angsty teenager quips, shouting, "Bite me!" And of course, making a badass railgun. To me, this is what defines her character more than anything, not her whole so called Solver arc. Speaking of that...
#2: I'd remove her having Solver powers and use the railgun instead or actually fully commit to her having them if it can't be avoided.
Yea, I know this one is going to be a bit of a controversial take, but the more I look at Uzi's so called journey being infected, the less I like it. The show is just too inconsistent when it comes to this. They try to do something shocking like Ep 7 when Uzi was fighting N after Cyn took her over and was going to even eat her mom then they chicken out by having her snap out of it with a simple joke from N. Ugh!
Yea, I know Uzi snapped out of it in Ep 4 when N did something similar, but the difference was Uzi was in her beginning phases of being taken over by the Solver. By ep 7, Uzi should have been beyond the point of no return, especially taken into account she was pushing her Solver powers into overdrive when trying to help N in ep 6. This just feels like a cheap copout to be frank. Don't get me wrong. The N and Uzi fight in Ep 7 was great. That's not my problem with it. The problem I have with it is HOW it was resolved. That should have been the point where Uzi was too far gone for N to bring back and he would have no choice but to kill her in order to survive. Or at the very least neutralize her.
#3: Uzi ends up becoming the main villain at the end fully possessed by Cyn.
The way Ep 6 ended, I was almost certain the show was going in that direction to make it a real tragic Romeo/Juliet type relationship between these two characters. But no, instead it's Cyn disguised as Tessa. Ugh, I'll get to that eventually. Bottom line is, I just think this would have worked perfectly as the twist where the main protagonist of the series turns into the main villain and the very first murder drone she runs into ends up becoming the main hero in a sort of role reversal thing. I'm not going to say it's a perfect idea, but I think it would have been a heck of a lot more interesting had Ep 7 ended with Uzi fully under Cyn's control and N has no choice but to stop her in order to save the planet as well as himself for Ep 8's finale, but that's just me.
N: I don't have much to say on his character when it comes to improvements. I think for the most part, he was handled pretty well. However, there are two things I'd change to improve about his character.
#1: Show him really caring about V as his best friend when it mattered most.
This is something that's irritated me more and more as the series progressed. N goes from being madly in love with V in the pilot to... getting over her possibly being dead two minutes later after Tessa/Cyn tells him to cool it about not being to help her in Ep 7. Like, SERIOUSLY?! I know Uzi became the love of his life and I understand V hasn't exactly been the nicest to him either. Even so, this is N we're talking about. He's the kind of guy who would forgive you even if you decapitated him and tossed his body into the garbage bin. Yea, I know that's not the best of examples, but my point is, N is someone who loves his friends dearly and that's why even if he would get angry with V about hiding stuff like in Ep 4, he still wouldn't stop caring about her. I just don't believe N would ever do that. N is as loyal as they come when it comes to his friends.
Showing him not even being angry with Doll about it once is REALLY poor characterization on his part. I mean, he clearly saw what Doll did there. How could he not be upset about V possibly dying as a result of it?
#2: Actually show him snap completely.
Yes, I know Ep 7 sort of showed that, but I'm talking a full blown rage moment where N is like, "NO MORE!" I want to see this guy basically do that to Cyn in Ep 8 that with everything on the line, he's not going to stand by and let her get her way about things, especially if she ends up killing several of his friends, which I believe Cyn will, if not more. Don't get me wrong. I like N being the sweetheart he is, but he needs this kind of moment to grow as a character too to show how far he's willing to go to protect those he loves. I seriously hope N will do something like this in Ep 8 because if he doesn't, then it'll feel like a huge wasted moment of his story arc.
V: She is without a doubt my favorite character, so I wouldn't change too much about her. With that said however, here's two changes I'd make to actually give her some depth.
#1: Have her be the main focus instead of Uzi.
Again, nothing against Uzi, but V's storyline is 10X more interesting than Uzi's, especially taken into account the show wouldn't even fully commit to her Solver arc when it came to losing herself entirely. Anyway, back to V. I seriously wanted to find out WHY V is so scared about her past that she can't tell N. What happened all those years ago that caused her to clam up and try to hide it from him in her misguided means to protect him.
THAT to me would have been a much fascinating storyline to follow rather than Uzi trying to find out about what happened to her mom, especially when the show pulled a dumb move by having Nori be alive. I'll get to that later as well, but point being considering this show is called Murder Drones, a murder drone should have been the main focus, ESPECIALLY once Ep 2 happened. I'm fine with Uzi being the main focus in Ep 1 because it's a great way to subvert expectations, but by the second episode, it should have shifted to N and V with Uzi taking more of a backseat.
#2: Actually have V's behavior towards Uzi between Ep 2 to Ep 6 feel more natural.
If there's one thing the show kind of dropped the ball on when it came to V's story arc when it came to Uzi. She seems to antagonize Uzi for... mostly no reason. I mean, sure, it's funny and all, but other than Ep 3 and 4, V's hostility towards Uzi felt like her just being mean for the heck of it. And then to have Ep 6 shift gears completely where V says she trusts Uzi? WHY would V ever trust Uzi? I mean, this is the same girl who literally was about to kill her with a chainsaw at the end of Ep 5! And now she's ok with her? Yea, I'm just going to say it... this felt extremely forced and out of left field.
Don't get me wrong. I'm perfectly fine with V learning to get along with Uzi, but it needed to be earned. This wasn't.
J: This is one character that clearly was done dirty when it came to the main cast next to Thad. Anyhow, how I would improve J is
#1: Give her a best friend like V has with Lizzy and/or a love interest like N.
Had Tessa still been alive, I could have SORT OF let this go since Tessa could have filled that role, but taken into account Tessa is dead and Cyn is just impersonating her, then I think J should've had someone to connect with on an emotional level. Maybe another disassembly drone that shared her love for the company and killing worker drones. Maybe even have it be a male worker drone that J had romantic feelings for. I mean, why not? I see no reason why J couldn't have something like that since N and V had that.
#2: Show J being less mysterious about whose side she's on.
Ep 6 and 7 sadly have made J's actions very confusing. I mean, I'm all for characters being mysterious, but not in this case. Why couldn't the show J that she's doing all this to help who she believe is the real Tessa or is she fully aware of her being Cyn and is out to destroy the planet as well? My guess is it's the former and not the latter from what we've seen in the Ep 8 trailer, but my point is, there was no point to trying to hide it, especially with the whole Cyn is Tessa reveal. Plus, J is most likely going to die anyway, so is it really going to be that big of a twist if she's still evil or no longer?
Sorry man but V is not my favorite characters I don't like her attitude she treats N Uzi and others workers drones
Part 2
Lizzy: I don't have too much to say on her since she is a side character at best, but if there is one thing I'd have changed, it would be this:
#1: Actually show her giving a crap about things that have happened and/or going to happen.
If there is one thing that's bothered me about Lizzy's character is how nonchalant she is about things in-spite of everything's that happened. I mean, would it kill Liam to show Lizzy showing some form of emotion about all the friends she's lost and the fate of the world at stake? I'm not asking for her to get all angsty or even bawl her eyes about it, but SOMETHING where we see all the events between Ep 1-4 have changed her in some way. Not just, "We're going to save the planet now, Thad. Whoo hoo!" -.-
Thad: Even though he's my second favorite male character in the show, I sadly don't have too much to say on him either, but if there is one thing that should have been changed, it is this.
#1: Have his relationship with Uzi and N actually mean something considering what all they went through together in the first two episodes.
Honestly, it baffles me to this day WHY Liam changed it to where Thad acts like he barely even knows who Uzi and N are anymore. Yes, I get the fact Uzi was going to be paired up with N. Fair enough, but that doesn't mean Thad still couldn't have been someone they hung out with. I'm not saying Thad had to tag along with them in the later episodes, but still... show SOMETHING where Uzi still cares about Thad and visa versa,. Actually have Uzi feel conflicted about who she loves more due to both N and Thad giving her something unique when it came to their friendship. Just shoving Thad to the sidelines was a REALLY stupid move, ESPECIALLY taken into account Thad is now helping to save the planet.
Yea, what was the point of Thad not being apart of the story in the latter episodes if he's just going to show up in the finale for no reason at all other than... fan favorite character.
Doll: Even though I hate her as a character, that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see her improve as an antagonist. With that said, here's my three changes I'd make to her.
#1: Actually commit to her being the side antagonist.
While I hated what Doll did in Ep 3, what I hated more was how the show then chickens out about it in the latter episodes, trying to half ass her so called redemption about wanting to be free of the Solver in Ep 7. I mean, seriously, if you're going to have her be Uzi's rival, then freaking commit to it! Really show how ruthless Doll can be to go get her way about things.
#2: Give her a fight to the death with N and/or Uzi.
Considering what Doll did in Ep 6, N at least should have been so enraged about it that he'd try to hunt down Doll to kill her the first chance he'd get. Yea, I know N is not the type to do that, but again, this is his best friend we're talking about here. If he would decapitate Tessa/Cyn over her harming Uzi, then he should have been willing to do the same to Doll over V's supposed death. Uzi too should have been upset about it considering V's supposed last words were, "Uzi, I trust you."
I know they weren't close, but again, V by that point had warmed up to Uzi, even if it did feel forced. Point is, Uzi should have wanted to make Doll pay for all the crap she put them through in one manner or another.
#3: Show Doll having remorse over killing her classmates in Ep 3.
If there is one thing that would have made me sympathize with Doll a little bit, it would have most definitely been this. The whole time, I was waiting for SOMETHING to show me why the fans like her so much. But it didn't. Doll never once showed any remorse for her actions. If anything, she seemed to enjoy killing back in Ep 3. Even Ep 6, she has an evil smirk on her face about siccing the Sentinels on Uzi and the others. So yea, why am I supposed to feel sorry for this character exactly? Because she lost her parents and wants to avenge them? Ok, that's nice and all, but why couldn't she have just gone after V personally instead of killing her innocent classmates? I mean, there was no reason for it at all other than she wanted to. Doll could have easily tracked down V herself if she was that determined to kill her. But no, that's not what happened.
Had we gotten even one scene with Doll where we see how guilty she feels for the murders she committed and felt like she had no choice but to do that due to the Solver possessing her, then that would have made me at least feel a little bit sorry for Doll and understand her a bit better when it came to her motives. But nope... that's not what happened.
Khan: Another character I don't have too much to say about, but there is one major change I'd make, it's this...
#1: Make his actions more consistent from Ep 1-Ep 7.
Yea, I'm just going to say it. Khan's actions in Ep 7 feel completely out of the left field in comparison to his previous episodes. This is the same who left his daughter for dead in the pilot. And while I certainly why he did, why all of a sudden would he get the courage to fight? I mean, he's been portrayed as nothing but a coward the entire time. WHY now would he rise up to fight? Because everyone's lives are at stake? Ok, that's a nice motivator and all, but could we not have seen a single transition about him realizing he needs to stop being afraid and man up? That's all I'm asking. Just one small scene of him looking at his wife's closet, thinking about everything that's happened and realizing he can't stand by any longer. I really don't understand why the show couldn't have given us that.
Tessa: Oh boy;... now we're arrived at one of the worst ones when it came to characterization, or should I say... poorly executed. Anyhow, to get into it. Here's my change I'd make to Tessa.
#1: Actually commit to her being a morally gray character instead of the villain in disguise.
I too hated the Cyn is Tessa twist because even though it does technically work, it completely ruins a story element when it came to N's story arc: Having him choose between the one who loved him in the mansion and the girl he's in love with now. I SO wanted to see N in that sort of dilemma because he needed it as a way to make his story all the more heartbreaking because either way, he loses someone he cares about.
It would have made the series all the more sad and tragic when it came to its finale. But no... instead we get... Cyn is back and we must stop her. Yay?
Yea, I know it technically works, but it's like choosing between a good hamburger and a AAA grade steak. You'll still enjoy a hamburger, but you would have enjoyed a thick juicy steak a whole lot more. Tessa could have been a very memorable character had they committed to this, but no... we get the pointless plot twist instead. -.-
Cyn: This is another one I don't have a lot to say about, but if I had to make one change, it'd be this.
#1: Have it be she's currently without a body and instead possess whoever she can to achieve her goals.
Honestly, I think that would have been a lot more interesting than wearing Tessa's corpse because it would mean anyone could fall prey to her virus and become her puppet. If he has her own body, then what's the point of hopping around from drone to drone to posses them?
Nori: This one is going to be short and sweet, but...
#1: Nori stays dead.
Yea, having her be alive in Ep 7 was completely pointless. Unless she does something amazing in Ep 8(which I highly doubt), then her being brought back was nothing but a huge waste of time. Anything she did could have easily been given to another character or shown in a flashback. There was no reason at all for her to be still alive if she wasn't even going to accomplish anything important.
#2: Actually have Nori's past be much darker.
If the show is going to commit to Nori's past as part of its storyline, then actually have it be something worth exploring. Don't half ass it with a, "Oh, the core collapse was an accident." BS." No seriously, the more I look at that, the more I hate it because it feels like a copout rather than a shocking reveal. Why Liam went this route, I'll never know. Having her and Yeva causing it due to being under the Solver's control would have worked so much better. Speaking of Yeva.
Yeva: Same as Nori. Stay dead(hopefully) and have her too commit a huge mass murder spree in the Cabin Fever Labs when escaping it while under the Solver's possession.
Doll's dad: This is character that sadly feels like he's just there to explain why Doll is there. Anyway, if I was going to change anything about him, it'd be this.
#1: Have him actually have a purpose in the story.
Doll's dad is so irrelevant in the story that he might as well not even exist and Yeva just made Doll by herself. I mean, seriously, what does he contribute to it other than being Doll's dad? NOTHING.
That's why I'd have it so he not only has a name, but survives until the murder drone attack in the pilot. That way, it would logically explain why Doll never tried to kill until after it. Have it so her dad was the last one keeping her sane and once V killed him in the evacuation site, she snapped and vowed to make them pay for killing her parents. I'm not saying it's a perfect explanation, but it works in the context of the story we're shown.
Braiden: Honestly, I really don't have anything to say about him. I think for the most part his character works as is and served his purpose in the story. I suppose him surviving until the end could work, but not sure how exactly since that would mean he'd have to fight in Ep 8 and we don't know if he would be able to or not. I mean, it'd be interesting to see what he could do, but I don't know if him using a weapon would be worth him being around or not.
@@Jonathan83X khan was portrayed as a coward in episode 1, from after that he wasnt. Take episode 3 for example, he rushed in to try to save uzi but was cut off by doll closing the doors.
@@blanterdang6112 Fair point. Khan did try to investigate what happened in Ep 2 regarding the situation. And yes, while he did try to help Uzi in Ep 3, he also did try to run away when V showed up. Not saying I blame him, but I digress. Ep 4 I'll give him a pass since he was explaining to Uzi the situation about Nori's past. Ep 5 I think is the one I have the biggest problem with Khan regarding his sudden change in Ep 7. He's just... sorta there, not really doing anything important and doesn't even seem to care Doll showed up despite all the carnage she caused in Ep 3.
He doesn't even take credit for Doll saying he raised a good daughter, almost as if he knows he sucks as a parent. So yea... stuff like that is why Khan's John Conner like approach in Ep 7 felt very jarring to me. Don't get me wrong.. I'm all for him taking action. I just wish the show would have showed us SOMETHING where he realizes he can't stand by idly by any longer and has to get involved.
Helluva boss better.
Bro why are you even here?
@@Nightlight_EditZ To state a fact. 🗿
I've seen multiple hour long video essays saying otherwise lol
Its good but murder drones is better
Lmao good joke