@@AN5WER321No, like a good 7/11 teams in the conference. The KenPom median of the conference in 2023 was 62, which is less than 10 away from the ACC. If the Mountain West were to add Gonzaga and St. Mary’s, like has been proposed in the past, they’d be one of the top basketball conferences in the country with a KenPom of 54, two above the ACC.
Some problems with your statement 1. OSU and WSU haven’t joined the Mountain West. They just scheduled lots of games against mountain west teams. Sorta like what Notre Dame does with the ACC. 2. Both WSU and OSU teams play each other every season. They can’t both be undefeated.
It’ll be interesting to see if the MW or the AAC is able to plant a flag at 5th. All I can say for sure is that I’m ready for my UNLV dynasty in NCAA 25!
I was in attendance at the first ever Mountain West Conference football game at the start of the 1999 season. BYU vs Colorado State. I was only 13 years old at the time and didn't realize I was a witness to history.
First of all, I love the channel. Obscure conference talk is something I never knew I needed. Keep it up! Second, the MWC is my favorite G5 conference. I already liked Hawaii and Boise St, but I also like the geographic cohesion, the competitive balance, and the late night games that will replace "Pac-12 after dark." So I've been looking forward to this video!
I think a Big West video would be cool because it kind of is part of this history with the WAC and MW as some of their former members ended up in those conferences.
First of all: Another great video by Lukas. I particularly enjoyed the Wild West style opening montage of this video, with the pics of the mountains and the cool Western style music. For a second, I thought I was gonna see a train coming round the mountains. ⛰🚂 OK, now on to the Mountain West Conference. You know, you could make a strong case for the Mountain West being the best Group of 5 conference today. I think as long as the Mountain West keeps Boise State, they’ll always be competitive in football. I also think they should add Oregon State & Washington State, mainly because they both deserve a home and a fair and square chance at being relevant in the college sports landscape. Who knows? Maybe this could lead to better and brighter days for the Mountain West.
Cranking out elite content! I’m a fan of an SEC school but hope we can find a way to keep G5 football relevant. Don’t want to see the MW become indistinguishable from the WCC.
Best path to solidifying that #5 position might be to add football affiliates Temple and UConn (Temple would presumably go Big East or A-10 for other sports)
Great video, but you missed all the juicy drama that went down with BYU going independent and the WAC schools being invited in. As early as 2008 BYU was exploring independence because they got screwed over on a handshake agreement for tv rebroadcast rights (I know this because Tom Holmoe gave a small group of us students an interview for a school project, and he said independence is on the table). Google Dave Checketts BYU to find it the full story. Utah leaving was the final nail in the coffin for BYU. BYU had plans to go independent in football and rejoin the WAC in all other sports, but Utah leaked the plan to Craig Thompson. The MWC responded by inviting Nevada, Fresno St and Utah St overnight, hoping to tank BYU’s landing spot and keep them in the MWC as the conferences cash cow. USU stuck to the plan and turned down the invite. Nevada and FSU flipped. BYU scrambled and ended up in the WCC, the MWC started gobbling up the WAC and USU was hosed…for a little while. And somewhere in there TCU left for the Big 12. It was a crazy time.
Mountain West is easily the new powerhouse conference on the West Coast, and it seems like they will hold a similar position to what the PAC12 used to be, albeit with better strategy since they won’t have to rely on (or be hindered with) the big West Coast schools (USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington)
Not yet. The MW is now fighting back after they stopped the bleeding after Utah State left, so now that the Pac and MW are going to be at 7 members, it is a race to expand. (Also, the AAC Schools will be staying together as Tulane, Memphis, and UTSA denied the Pac's invitation)
Coug fan here but I think the Pac-2/Mountain West is uniquely positioned for the future. If the Mountain West merges into the Pac-2, the conference has a lot of potential to establish itself as one of the better conference. It would be a conference that is made up of similar schools and largely regional in its scope (sorry Hawaii), both of which are beneficial for conference cohesion. If the FSU split kills the ACC, I could easily see Cal and Stanford come back into the fold and strengthen the conference. Maybe the Big Ten and SEC fall off from trying to juggle so many schools, giving the smaller conferences the opportunity to pick up what they leave behind. In any case, conference realignment is an ongoing process but we've repeatedly seen that regionalism is important and that there is no such thing as a conference that is too big to fail. If the Pac-2/MWC play their cards right, the future could be very bright
If i ran a conference i would let teams schedule 3 non conference games and schedule the conference games by ranking instead of a pre-set schedule. A sudden death elimination round in the regular season would solve the power 5 conference division issues.
I hope the Pac-2 fully join and Gonzaga comes in, like you said, for basketball only to offset Hawaii. But I also think the ACC and Big XII should swap WVU, UCF, and Cincinnati, with SMU, Cal, and Stanford 🤷♂️
The merging of the 2 PAC 12 teams with Mountain west will be influenced by College football playoff accessibility to non power conferences as well as PAC 12’s status as a power conference and if the conference will continue to receive the same benefits that Power Conferences are given.
As a fan of a team who used to be in the MWC, the conference would be so much better back then if they had the current commissioner then the previous commissioner. Like Larry Scott gets talked about a lot for how bad he is, but the previous commissioner was just as bad. I will always have a soft spot for the MWC programs, but I will never forgive them for the Mtn Network. The 2008 BYU-Utah game was on that bloody network, and you have no idea how difficult it was to get that network.
Yes, the MWC is the best G5 right now and going forward. They have the best football and basketball. They'll have 6, 20+ win teams before their tournament. They have to worry about being decapitated by the Pac 2, though. But if they can stave that off, they should try to expand. Leave no doubt they're the best G5.
My predictions as a Cincy fan with no skin in the game with the MW (I have 0 qualifications whatsoever and please do not quote me as any kind of expert) : 1. The SEC and B10 try to leave the NCAA for football only and stay in it for everything else. This has one of 3 results: - It works somehow and the NCAA agrees to it, likely through a big payout from both conferences. - The NCAA drags their feet and will only let them leave after a big payday AND both conferences removing all sports from the NCAA. The SEC and B10 say "ok fine" and do it. - It fails and both conferences begrudgingly stay in, probably after a bunch of legal battles. 2. Because of the SEC/B10 fiasco, the B12 and ACC merge (after likely exits from Florida State and UNC, maybe others) to form a solid 3rd place conference (I actually kinda want this because I want Pitt and UofL as conference opponents again). Pod scheduling is used to keep track of the 22+ team behemoth. It will try to survive a WAC-level fallout after 10-ish years due it's bloated size. 3. The MW merges with the 2-PAC and forms the new MW/PAC conference with a rebrand using the PAC I.P (Mountain-Pacific conference?). They become the premiere non-power conference, and may even get to a Big East "power-ish" status, possibly by poaching some AAC schools (Memphis?). If the B12 and/or ACC needs to expand (no idea why but whatever), Wazzu, OSU, Boise, SDSU, and Memphis are next in line.
Boise definitely has the talent in football. Their biggest problem is that they don't have high enough academic standards. (Bottom 5 in MW, I believe) That's why no P5 conference would/will take them.
Back in the early years, the MWC was proving itself more deserving of inclusion in the P-5 than the Big East. But since third-tier teams already in the system in the Big East, they kept moving the goalposts of what qualified, coming up with new excuses based on what minuscule exception they could find to say “Not this year.” But if the MWC had ever gotten access to the kinds of funds the Big East had, the MWC would have exploded.
Honestly, I think the remaining pac 12 schools will join. Once that happens, I could see the Mountain West offering Utep and NM St. Spots to make it 16 teams. Any further additions to the conference would probably be offering NDSU and SDSU from the FCS.
They wanted to join with Utah, but Stanford and Cal refused to budge. The conference officially said it was because they aren’t a research university, but it leaked out that the bigger reason was BYU’s refusal to play games on Sunday in any sport, possibly leading to conflicts with basketball. And considering the religious jeers shouted by Stanford and Cal (actually everyone does to some extent but those two were consistently over the top) with no reprimand from the schools, it isn’t hard to infer religious bias from those two being the biggest reason. But the thing is, the only objections were from university presidents. Every athletic director wanted BYU not just from a competition standpoint, but also because BYU fills stadiums. It isn’t that they travel well as much as a nationwide fan base due to the religious affiliation means there would always be people eager to watch when they come to town. Go watch highlights of their 2019 trip to Tennessee and see how much blue there was in the stands. If they could do that on the other side of the country, they could definitely do that in their own backyard. But university presidents won out over ADs and the Cougars had to wander the wilderness for a decade.
Great idea. Multiple CWS titles, UNLV's run to the Men's basketball championship under "Tark the Shark". Great football history too. (Emphasis on HISTORY). Started as and was a one state league for several years. Current home for Hawai'i (non football) and 10 schools in California (5 UC and 5 CSU). Hawai'i subsidizes travel for the California schools. 2 FCS Big Sky football members also play other sports here: UC Davis and Cal Poly.
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In basketball, the Mountain West is playing like a power conference
You mean San Diego State
@@AN5WER321No, like a good 7/11 teams in the conference. The KenPom median of the conference in 2023 was 62, which is less than 10 away from the ACC. If the Mountain West were to add Gonzaga and St. Mary’s, like has been proposed in the past, they’d be one of the top basketball conferences in the country with a KenPom of 54, two above the ACC.
I hope Oregon State and Wazzu get undefeated seasons. older brother shouldnt have abandoned them and Mountain West are awesome for taking them in
Some problems with your statement
1. OSU and WSU haven’t joined the Mountain West. They just scheduled lots of games against mountain west teams. Sorta like what Notre Dame does with the ACC.
2. Both WSU and OSU teams play each other every season. They can’t both be undefeated.
@@zachellenburg5738 maybe he means they go undefeated in separate years
@@zachellenburg5738Well the MWC is gonna end up as the new PAC eventually
well it’s partially their fault for dragging their feet when the big 12 nearly collapsed
This aged like warm milk in the desert
It’ll be interesting to see if the MW or the AAC is able to plant a flag at 5th. All I can say for sure is that I’m ready for my UNLV dynasty in NCAA 25!
Once OSU/Wazzu become perminent members, it will be the MWC by a long shot. I'd consider them to be pretty even atm
Finally get to see my conference get some love.
It’s a good conference. I have no connection, but I respect it. 👍🏽
I was in attendance at the first ever Mountain West Conference football game at the start of the 1999 season. BYU vs Colorado State. I was only 13 years old at the time and didn't realize I was a witness to history.
First of all, I love the channel. Obscure conference talk is something I never knew I needed. Keep it up! Second, the MWC is my favorite G5 conference. I already liked Hawaii and Boise St, but I also like the geographic cohesion, the competitive balance, and the late night games that will replace "Pac-12 after dark." So I've been looking forward to this video!
Same, I hope they embrace the time difference and “after dark” feel
I think a Big West video would be cool because it kind of is part of this history with the WAC and MW as some of their former members ended up in those conferences.
And such a unique conference
Would love a MVC conference history
I always loved the idea of 12 conference is with three conferences in in four regions.
2 groups of 6, and 3 cross protected rivals
4:52 Bro got salty 😂
As a BYU fan in Las Vegas, I grew up watching Mountain West football. I miss those days, they were great.
Hopefully nothing too crazy will happen this season regarding the Mountain West and their membership and history.
Once I get either one of the Missouri Valley, Ohio Valley, or Summit Conferences, I will subscribe.
Basketball has been strong for the Mtn West. Love those late night Saturday mountain west games for football
11:30 The Pac-12 is in fact, not gone
Crazy how this channel only has about 10k subs. Definitely the most underrated channel on UA-cam.
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Please don’t stop , you are appreciated
This dude been on a tear recently, keep up to goodwork
id love to see a history of the west coast conference sometime
Really enjoying these vids!
I’m here yet again, to give you my support. Love this series!
Would be cool to see a MAC history. One of the most consistent conferences through multiple realignment crazes
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First of all: Another great video by Lukas. I particularly enjoyed the Wild West style opening montage of this video, with the pics of the mountains and the cool Western style music. For a second, I thought I was gonna see a train coming round the mountains. ⛰🚂
OK, now on to the Mountain West Conference. You know, you could make a strong case for the Mountain West being the best Group of 5 conference today. I think as long as the Mountain West keeps Boise State, they’ll always be competitive in football. I also think they should add Oregon State & Washington State, mainly because they both deserve a home and a fair and square chance at being relevant in the college sports landscape. Who knows? Maybe this could lead to better and brighter days for the Mountain West.
Love these I’m learning more here then I ever will at school
How do you not have over 50k subs yet these videos are amazing
been waiting on this one, especially after the WAC video
Cranking out elite content! I’m a fan of an SEC school but hope we can find a way to keep G5 football relevant. Don’t want to see the MW become indistinguishable from the WCC.
The SAIC, the predecessor to the SoCon, had 26 schools.
I cant wait for the sec video!!
I’m a big ten fan and I love how petty you weee with the 1993 copper bowl drop
your channel is so good dude
Love your videos, definitely earned a new subscriber
I can’t wait to see you make it big on yt
SDSU just threw the timeout stool out of the window.
Step-Pac 12 is the cool step-parent
I love these vids, are you going to do FCS/Basketball only conferences as well?
Could you do the History of the Horizon League?
Waiting on your MVC history rundown !
Good Stuff. I love your channel
This was an amazing video, currently watching this with my Wyoming hoodie
Now when are you making that Wichita State Video
Good video, got a new subscriber.
Can u do history of the American conference (AAC)
That's basically already done with his video on the big east
@@nateg4582Not entirely, as the current AAC reflects alot of the other non big east CUSA schools.
@@reverend_wintondupreeoh, okay.
Love the MWC! Truely the boggest group of 5
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@@lukeontheplainsno, I think you mean *BOG*
Ah yes I love bog conferences
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Poor Gloria could not foresee the pacs resurrection
I love this channel
Well this is going to be having a updated video in a couple of years
Nice work
Thank you Dalukes
You should make a what if Colorado, an and m, Nebraska, and Mizzou never left the big 12 video. I would love to see another alternate history vid
Best path to solidifying that #5 position might be to add football affiliates Temple and UConn (Temple would presumably go Big East or A-10 for other sports)
What about naming it the PAC West Conference?
Basically, the Pacific Western Conference
Without taking the time to write an essay as to why, I like it. Truly.
There already is a D2 conference call the PAC West. The name is taken and trademarked
@@Alohanate2004 😯Learned something new. So it goes.
Ew
How about Pacific Mountains Conference?
4:53 out a sock in it, love the videos
Well this changed a bit
Great video, but you missed all the juicy drama that went down with BYU going independent and the WAC schools being invited in.
As early as 2008 BYU was exploring independence because they got screwed over on a handshake agreement for tv rebroadcast rights (I know this because Tom Holmoe gave a small group of us students an interview for a school project, and he said independence is on the table).
Google Dave Checketts BYU to find it the full story. Utah leaving was the final nail in the coffin for BYU. BYU had plans to go independent in football and rejoin the WAC in all other sports, but Utah leaked the plan to Craig Thompson. The MWC responded by inviting Nevada, Fresno St and Utah St overnight, hoping to tank BYU’s landing spot and keep them in the MWC as the conferences cash cow. USU stuck to the plan and turned down the invite. Nevada and FSU flipped. BYU scrambled and ended up in the WCC, the MWC started gobbling up the WAC and USU was hosed…for a little while. And somewhere in there TCU left for the Big 12.
It was a crazy time.
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It's really interesting how much the present has to do with conference history.
Please do the Missouri valley but from a more basketball centric perspective!
Mountain West is easily the new powerhouse conference on the West Coast, and it seems like they will hold a similar position to what the PAC12 used to be, albeit with better strategy since they won’t have to rely on (or be hindered with) the big West Coast schools (USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington)
Rip the mwc long live the 6pac
Not yet. The MW is now fighting back after they stopped the bleeding after Utah State left, so now that the Pac and MW are going to be at 7 members, it is a race to expand. (Also, the AAC Schools will be staying together as Tulane, Memphis, and UTSA denied the Pac's invitation)
I need a video on the sec!!!!!
MWC will soon (in basketball) be considered the 6th Power Conference, replacing Pac12.
They should be the ones to bring University of Alaska to the big stage in the NCAA. They're still D2 but every school gets there sooner or later
Coug fan here but I think the Pac-2/Mountain West is uniquely positioned for the future. If the Mountain West merges into the Pac-2, the conference has a lot of potential to establish itself as one of the better conference. It would be a conference that is made up of similar schools and largely regional in its scope (sorry Hawaii), both of which are beneficial for conference cohesion. If the FSU split kills the ACC, I could easily see Cal and Stanford come back into the fold and strengthen the conference. Maybe the Big Ten and SEC fall off from trying to juggle so many schools, giving the smaller conferences the opportunity to pick up what they leave behind.
In any case, conference realignment is an ongoing process but we've repeatedly seen that regionalism is important and that there is no such thing as a conference that is too big to fail. If the Pac-2/MWC play their cards right, the future could be very bright
The spot the MW wants could very likely be opening up as the ACC seems destined to fold when FSU and Clemson leave (presumably to the P2)
Can you do a video of the America East especially after the updated logo change
You should do the A-10 because they are really good in basketball
If i ran a conference i would let teams schedule 3 non conference games and schedule the conference games by ranking instead of a pre-set schedule. A sudden death elimination round in the regular season would solve the power 5 conference division issues.
I hope the Pac-2 fully join and Gonzaga comes in, like you said, for basketball only to offset Hawaii. But I also think the ACC and Big XII should swap WVU, UCF, and Cincinnati, with SMU, Cal, and Stanford 🤷♂️
Hear me out: Pac-12 and Mountain West merge together and become the Mountain Pac
I think MW future is bright, I feel they are gonna be the best group of five conference for a while now
both western mid-majors covered? now we can truly say it's WAC History Month
I know this is a football first channel but also could have mentioned that the MWC is great at basketball
The merging of the 2 PAC 12 teams with Mountain west will be influenced by College football playoff accessibility to non power conferences as well as PAC 12’s status as a power conference and if the conference will continue to receive the same benefits that Power Conferences are given.
The Mountain West has the NCAA's best coed volleyball leauge.
Nevarez is the GOAT. She’ll do great things.
Can you do history of the Mvc
wheres the SEC video
I always felt like Boise State should have left for the big 12 or pac 12 with tcu they were amazing during that time
As a fan of a team who used to be in the MWC, the conference would be so much better back then if they had the current commissioner then the previous commissioner. Like Larry Scott gets talked about a lot for how bad he is, but the previous commissioner was just as bad. I will always have a soft spot for the MWC programs, but I will never forgive them for the Mtn Network. The 2008 BYU-Utah game was on that bloody network, and you have no idea how difficult it was to get that network.
Wyoming catching a stray is insane...
Yes, the MWC is the best G5 right now and going forward. They have the best football and basketball. They'll have 6, 20+ win teams before their tournament. They have to worry about being decapitated by the Pac 2, though. But if they can stave that off, they should try to expand. Leave no doubt they're the best G5.
I really Wish Gonzaga would just join the MWC. That would be a power conference for that sport for sure.
Great video! This is my conference so I'm probably a little biased GO POKES
My predictions as a Cincy fan with no skin in the game with the MW (I have 0 qualifications whatsoever and please do not quote me as any kind of expert) :
1. The SEC and B10 try to leave the NCAA for football only and stay in it for everything else. This has one of 3 results:
- It works somehow and the NCAA agrees to it, likely through a big payout from both conferences.
- The NCAA drags their feet and will only let them leave after a big payday AND both conferences removing all sports from the NCAA. The SEC and B10 say "ok fine" and do it.
- It fails and both conferences begrudgingly stay in, probably after a bunch of legal battles.
2. Because of the SEC/B10 fiasco, the B12 and ACC merge (after likely exits from Florida State and UNC, maybe others) to form a solid 3rd place conference (I actually kinda want this because I want Pitt and UofL as conference opponents again). Pod scheduling is used to keep track of the 22+ team behemoth. It will try to survive a WAC-level fallout after 10-ish years due it's bloated size.
3. The MW merges with the 2-PAC and forms the new MW/PAC conference with a rebrand using the PAC I.P (Mountain-Pacific conference?). They become the premiere non-power conference, and may even get to a Big East "power-ish" status, possibly by poaching some AAC schools (Memphis?). If the B12 and/or ACC needs to expand (no idea why but whatever), Wazzu, OSU, Boise, SDSU, and Memphis are next in line.
Boise definitely has the talent in football. Their biggest problem is that they don't have high enough academic standards. (Bottom 5 in MW, I believe) That's why no P5 conference would/will take them.
@@ascendseraph7834 fair, but I think we've reached the point where academics don't really matter anymore
This dude is going to get all the fcs and d2 conferences eventually lol
I hope so
He's good at these
You should do some non football based conferences like the MAAC
Back in the early years, the MWC was proving itself more deserving of inclusion in the P-5 than the Big East. But since third-tier teams already in the system in the Big East, they kept moving the goalposts of what qualified, coming up with new excuses based on what minuscule exception they could find to say “Not this year.” But if the MWC had ever gotten access to the kinds of funds the Big East had, the MWC would have exploded.
Always thought it was interesting that Gonzaga never joined the MWC
Honestly, I think the remaining pac 12 schools will join. Once that happens, I could see the Mountain West offering Utep and NM St. Spots to make it 16 teams. Any further additions to the conference would probably be offering NDSU and SDSU from the FCS.
Didn’t BYU enter talks with the PAC12 at one point as well?
They wanted to join with Utah, but Stanford and Cal refused to budge. The conference officially said it was because they aren’t a research university, but it leaked out that the bigger reason was BYU’s refusal to play games on Sunday in any sport, possibly leading to conflicts with basketball. And considering the religious jeers shouted by Stanford and Cal (actually everyone does to some extent but those two were consistently over the top) with no reprimand from the schools, it isn’t hard to infer religious bias from those two being the biggest reason.
But the thing is, the only objections were from university presidents. Every athletic director wanted BYU not just from a competition standpoint, but also because BYU fills stadiums. It isn’t that they travel well as much as a nationwide fan base due to the religious affiliation means there would always be people eager to watch when they come to town. Go watch highlights of their 2019 trip to Tennessee and see how much blue there was in the stands. If they could do that on the other side of the country, they could definitely do that in their own backyard. But university presidents won out over ADs and the Cougars had to wander the wilderness for a decade.
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Great idea. Multiple CWS titles, UNLV's run to the Men's basketball championship under "Tark the Shark". Great football history too. (Emphasis on HISTORY). Started as and was a one state league for several years. Current home for Hawai'i (non football) and 10 schools in California (5 UC and 5 CSU). Hawai'i subsidizes travel for the California schools. 2 FCS Big Sky football members also play other sports here: UC Davis and Cal Poly.
Pioneer Football Conference when? 😢
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Because I don't see a new Pac with select MW teams and other key teams, I believe OSU/WSU will join the MW.
Does Dalukes ever miss???
SEC up next?
MW is the best conference
UNLV and Boise State are huge!
Man we ruined college sports. Anyways. Those years when l, byu Utah and TCU were all good was really fun.